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(Some Aviation Geek)   American Airlines due to redesign fleet livery   ( airlinegeeks.com) divider line
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2017-12-30 10:07:13 PM  
So basically add some truck nuts and *perfect* for this day and age
 
2017-12-30 10:50:00 PM  
Woo Hoo...New hat!
 
2017-12-30 11:55:27 PM  
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/ the devil is in the details
 
2017-12-31 12:15:44 AM  
Was glad I recently got to see the retro TWA livery roll past on a taxiway at DFW.
 
2017-12-31 12:29:54 AM  
Dress it up all you want but it still has the stink of USeless Airways on them.
 
2017-12-31 12:49:19 AM  

JustLookin: Was glad I recently got to see the retro TWA livery roll past on a taxiway at DFW.


What was the occasion?
 
2017-12-31 12:53:55 AM  
I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.
 
2017-12-31 01:20:52 AM  

D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.


It didn't really save much money for AA, though, if this is to be believed.
 
2017-12-31 01:29:39 AM  

phoenix352: JustLookin: Was glad I recently got to see the retro TWA livery roll past on a taxiway at DFW.

What was the occasion?



To keep their federal trademarks registered AA must both continue to use them in interstate commerce and file the proper renewal paperwork at periodic intervals as prescribed by law.
 
2017-12-31 01:34:19 AM  
They're trailing behind on satisfactory delivery, so they're switching to de-livery?
 
2017-12-31 02:23:22 AM  

themindiswatching: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

It didn't really save much money for AA, though, if this is to be believed.


Believe it. If the airlines could save money by not carrying the extra weight of the paint, much less the costs of painting which are not insignificant, they'd all be flying around using a similar bare metal scheme.

When you see those old Lockheed 12's, Beech 18's, Cessna 190's, Beech 35's, and so on, with bare polished aluminum you can guess 3 (likely) things about the owner:

1) They probably live somewhere where it doesn't matter
2) It's probably a show plane they take someplace like EAA or Sun'N'Fun
3) They probably own another plane too

Paint is used for corrosion / composite delamination prevention as much as to look pretty.
 
2017-12-31 04:21:26 AM  
It looks very nice. That explains the 15$ "patriot fee"
 
2017-12-31 06:22:12 AM  
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2017-12-31 07:31:04 AM  
an Airbus A321, still features the US Airways livery and serves in AA's fleet as a heritage aircraft.
The airline has done a good job preserving liveries of airlines which it has merged with in the past and flies a few short-haul Boeing and Airbus aircraft with liveries including those of Air Cal, Reno Air, TWA, and American West.


Nifty
 
2017-12-31 07:39:00 AM  

D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.


I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.
 
2017-12-31 07:44:45 AM  
A new paint scheme was needed because the Boeing 787s have a carbon skin instead of aluminum, so the previous bare-metal look would not be feasible on the aircraft. However, with the new livery, the airline is still preserving elements of its previous liveries with the newer and more modern looking eagle on the fuselage next to the company's name.

Pity they can't still do this (Convair 880, BTW):

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2017-12-31 07:47:56 AM  
Just make alcohol free to everyone that flies and they'll redesign everyone's livery free of charge.
 
2017-12-31 10:17:03 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: A new paint scheme was needed because the Boeing 787s have a carbon skin instead of aluminum, so the previous bare-metal look would not be feasible on the aircraft. However, with the new livery, the airline is still preserving elements of its previous liveries with the newer and more modern looking eagle on the fuselage next to the company's name.

Pity they can't still do this (Convair 880, BTW):

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You can see the shock cone "carrots" painted orange on the back of the wing. That's a Convair 990.
 
2017-12-31 11:06:24 AM  

jaytkay: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.


No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.
 
2017-12-31 11:09:44 AM  

Dinodork: AtlanticCoast63: A new paint scheme was needed because the Boeing 787s have a carbon skin instead of aluminum, so the previous bare-metal look would not be feasible on the aircraft. However, with the new livery, the airline is still preserving elements of its previous liveries with the newer and more modern looking eagle on the fuselage next to the company's name.

Pity they can't still do this (Convair 880, BTW):

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You can see the shock cone "carrots" painted orange on the back of the wing. That's a Convair 990.


Dino, you are right, didn't even really notice the shock cones.  TY, sir.
 
2017-12-31 11:51:26 AM  
AA has a lot of MD-80s in their fleet. Can they leave those flying junkyards buffed silver instead of wasting the money to paint them right before they go to the scrap heap?
 
2017-12-31 11:52:05 AM  

mrmopar5287: AA has a lot of MD-80s in their fleet. Can they leave those flying junkyards buffed silver instead of wasting the money to paint them right before they go to the scrap heap?


Whoops, nevermind:

The old American Airlines livery will be missed by many fans of the carrier, however, it is still possible to spot the livery flying on the airline's 45 MD-80 series aircraft which are scheduled to be retired in 2019.
 
2017-12-31 12:26:29 PM  

Somaticasual: They're trailing behind on satisfactory delivery, so they're switching to de-livery?


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2017-12-31 12:28:17 PM  
That's the downside of continuing economic success. Usually they wait until bankruptcy, then redesign and start painting like crazy so the creditors get stuck with the bill.
 
2017-12-31 12:41:03 PM  
inglixthemad:

jaytkay: I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.


Paint it with transparent epoxy?
 
2017-12-31 01:00:44 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: A new paint scheme was needed because the Boeing 787s have a carbon skin instead of aluminum, so the previous bare-metal look would not be feasible on the aircraft. However, with the new livery, the airline is still preserving elements of its previous liveries with the newer and more modern looking eagle on the fuselage next to the company's name.

Pity they can't still do this (Convair 880, BTW):

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Ummm.....

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2017-12-31 01:20:43 PM  
iron_city_ap: 
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That is sweet
 
2017-12-31 01:37:51 PM  

jaytkay: iron_city_ap: 
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That is sweet


There used to be a retro 757 too, but I haven't seen it in a very long time.
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2017-12-31 01:42:34 PM  

jaytkay: inglixthemad:

jaytkay: I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.

Paint it with transparent epoxy?


If the composite uses a core material, then even just painting it isn't enough. You can paint a Corvette, as an example, black because it's composite body doens't use core material. However if paint a Velocity XL (or other composite structure with core material) black / use transparent paint you'll end up with it getting too hot and delaminating. This reduces structural strength and can cause major problems.

Again, if they could save a few kilograms plus the cost of the paint/painting they'd do it in a heartbeat. Even with aluminum it was problematic since even aluminum oxidizes fairly quickly. Go look at a Beech 18 that lives "up north" or by the sea. If the aircraft isn't being cleaned and polished monthly when it's actively used, you'll start to see the effects in short order. Washing costs money, just like paying to polish the aluminum to deter corrosion.
 
2017-12-31 02:05:30 PM  

phoenix352: JustLookin: Was glad I recently got to see the retro TWA livery roll past on a taxiway at DFW.

What was the occasion?


No occasion. They fly the liveries of some of their acquisitions over the years.
 
2017-12-31 05:38:42 PM  

inglixthemad: themindiswatching: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

It didn't really save much money for AA, though, if this is to be believed.

Believe it. If the airlines could save money by not carrying the extra weight of the paint, much less the costs of painting which are not insignificant, they'd all be flying around using a similar bare metal scheme.

When you see those old Lockheed 12's, Beech 18's, Cessna 190's, Beech 35's, and so on, with bare polished aluminum you can guess 3 (likely) things about the owner:

1) They probably live somewhere where it doesn't matter
2) It's probably a show plane they take someplace like EAA or Sun'N'Fun
3) They probably own another plane too

Paint is used for corrosion / composite delamination prevention as much as to look pretty.


Well so much for that! But I do still think the polished bare metal is one of the best looks for airplanes.
 
2017-12-31 05:39:47 PM  

inglixthemad: jaytkay: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.


It will be interesting to see how the future goes with aviation as exotic materials become more practical.
 
2017-12-31 05:46:41 PM  
Still looks lame and cartoonish af.
 
2017-12-31 05:48:04 PM  

D_PaulAngel: inglixthemad: jaytkay: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.

It will be interesting to see how the future goes with aviation as exotic materials become more practical.


1.Bullet trains
2. Hyperloops
3. Transmats

Airplanes are a hugely inefficient way to travel and around zero (maybe 2-3?) airlines in the world are profitable without government subsidies.
 
2017-12-31 05:51:02 PM  
What's the new logo?  A boot crushing a face forever?
 
2017-12-31 08:03:14 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: D_PaulAngel: inglixthemad: jaytkay: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.

It will be interesting to see how the future goes with aviation as exotic materials become more practical.

1.Bullet trains
2. Hyperloops
3. Transmats

Airplanes are a hugely inefficient way to travel and around zero (maybe 2-3?) airlines in the world are profitable without government subsidies.


Not really. Smaller and older jets are much less fuel efficient than trains and buses, but new jets can get over 100 mpg/seat...and they don't take a week to cross the country, like trains and cars.

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Source
 
2017-12-31 08:35:31 PM  

JustLookin: phoenix352: JustLookin: Was glad I recently got to see the retro TWA livery roll past on a taxiway at DFW.

What was the occasion?

No occasion. They fly the liveries of some of their acquisitions over the years.


Keep their trademark active.
 
2017-12-31 09:10:37 PM  
On those ocassions when I've had to fly American, my first thought has always been, "All this airline needs to do is to repaint its planes."  /s
 
2018-01-01 12:31:56 AM  

wwffan7385: Somaticasual: They're trailing behind on satisfactory delivery, so they're switching to de-livery?

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Ok, even I had to funny that...
 
2018-01-01 01:18:26 AM  

Stone Meadow: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: D_PaulAngel: inglixthemad: jaytkay: D_PaulAngel: I miss the old bare metal AA paint scheme. Plus it saved hundreds of pounds of weight too.

I wonder if bare carbon fiber is feasible. That  would make a very Batman-looking plane.

No, the composite components would suffer delamination problems.

It will be interesting to see how the future goes with aviation as exotic materials become more practical.

1.Bullet trains
2. Hyperloops
3. Transmats

Airplanes are a hugely inefficient way to travel and around zero (maybe 2-3?) airlines in the world are profitable without government subsidies.

Not really. Smaller and older jets are much less fuel efficient than trains and buses, but new jets can get over 100 mpg/seat...and they don't take a week to cross the country, like trains and cars.

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Source


Try again.  I didn't say 'trains', I said 'bullet trains'.
 
2018-01-01 01:19:00 AM  

AcneVulgaris: What's the new logo?  A boot crushing a face forever?


No, that's Air Force One.
 
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