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2017-12-30 08:34:48 PM  
1. "Marvel's Inhumans," ABC

Can't argue with that. I hate-watched the entire thing on the hope, however astronomically slight, that there might be a SHIELD tie-in of some sort.
 
2017-12-30 08:40:30 PM  
Twin Peaks on a worst list? STFU

/didn't get any further than the header photo
 
2017-12-30 08:52:29 PM  
The Orville is the only show I've seen from that list and along with Supernatural, the the best show on at least network TV. List fails for not being completely reality shows.
 
2017-12-30 08:54:08 PM  

fusillade762: 1. "Marvel's Inhumans," ABC

Can't argue with that. I hate-watched the entire thing on the hope, however astronomically slight, that there might be a SHIELD tie-in of some sort.


I can't believe that show ever made it to broadcast.

It's awful.
 
2017-12-30 09:02:51 PM  
The Orville?  [stoppedreadingthere.jpg]
 
2017-12-30 09:12:08 PM  

enry: The Orville?  [stoppedreadingthere.jpg]


Came here to say exactly this.
 
2017-12-30 09:13:21 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Twin Peaks on a worst list? STFU

/didn't get any further than the header photo


Ya gotta admit, Laura Dern kina telegraphed TLJ when she floored the Vet into Wallies.
 
2017-12-30 09:30:15 PM  

Mugato: The Orville is the only show I've seen from that list and along with Supernatural, the the best show on at least network TV. List fails for not being completely reality shows.


I'll amend that statement because Penn and Teller's "Fool Us" is the one reality show that I watch and it's a  reality show but they aren't dicks to the contestants. They usually know how the tricks are done but they give them props for doing them. They don't swear about how they suck at singing or cooking shiat.
 
2017-12-30 09:37:31 PM  
I enjoyed The Orville, and it's been critically acclaimed. Generally more than the newest Start Trek show.
 
2017-12-30 09:37:41 PM  
The article is right about The Orville. It's not terrible by any means, it's just not very good. Hope it finds a reason to exist in its second season.
 
2017-12-30 09:43:11 PM  

Catlenfell: I enjoyed The Orville, and it's been critically acclaimed. Generally more than the newest Start Trek show.


A 20 on RT and a 36 on Metacritic = critic acclaim in Farkistan?  No wonder Getty Lee is worshipped around here.
 
2017-12-30 09:43:49 PM  

labman: fusillade762: 1. "Marvel's Inhumans," ABC

Can't argue with that. I hate-watched the entire thing on the hope, however astronomically slight, that there might be a SHIELD tie-in of some sort.


I can't believe that show ever made it to broadcast.

It's awful


Marvel wanted this to be their replacement for the X-Men in the MCU. It sucked so hard they decided to just buy Fox instead.
 
2017-12-30 09:44:36 PM  
Disjointed is probably the worst thing I have watched in the last 30 years.
 
2017-12-30 09:45:29 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: The article is right about The Orville. It's not terrible by any means, it's just not very good. Hope it finds a reason to exist in its second season.


It has its problems, but I don't think it deserves to be on the list of 10 worst.
 
2017-12-30 09:46:08 PM  
I tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible. The intro was 100% expository dialogue. "Gosh I can't believe you're the first starfleet scientist to ever discover dark matter."
"Well, you would know, as the daughter of Emperor Whateverthefark"

It was excruciating. You ever watch Misfits? You don't learn the characters' names until like episode 3. One character doesn't learn the other characters' names until like ep 6.

Also made it 3 solid minutes into  Friends from College. I think that was the one where the first line was come on babe let me stick my thumb up your ass
 
2017-12-30 09:47:33 PM  

moothemagiccow: tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible


But still better than Enterprise's theme song amirite?
 
2017-12-30 09:49:01 PM  

Byno: Catlenfell: I enjoyed The Orville, and it's been critically acclaimed. Generally more than the newest Start Trek show.

A 20 on RT and a 36 on Metacritic = critic acclaim in Farkistan?  No wonder Getty Lee is worshipped around here.


Farkistan is hipster central. They HATE popular things. So the lower the score, the better. Also, RT doesn't care about bots, specifically when it comes to streaming exclusive shows, so at best it's lost its luster and about as fair as any newspaper entertainment section office rating.
 
2017-12-30 09:50:27 PM  

enry: The Orville?  [stoppedreadingthere.jpg]


Same.
I'm ashamed I gave the writers page a click.
I love the Orville. As soon as you realize they aren't Picard, that they're the ship Picard 's team usually has to rescue, it's a lot more fun.
 
2017-12-30 09:50:59 PM  
I assume FOX News has 10 programs.
 
2017-12-30 09:52:17 PM  

Mugato: The Orville is the only show I've seen from that list and along with Supernatural, the the best show on at least network TV. List fails for not being completely reality shows.


I like how the dig about the show is that it seems to be trying to be an homage to Star Trek....NO shiat
 
2017-12-30 09:53:14 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Twin Peaks on a worst list? STFU

/didn't get any further than the header photo


In the actual write up, the critic says she didn't even watch the whole thing, and bailed sometime before the eighth episode.

There should be some sort of law that you have to watched something before farking writing about it. Salon is a shiatpile.
 
2017-12-30 09:55:59 PM  

Byno: moothemagiccow: tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible

But still better than Enterprise's theme song amirite?


I don't know, I'm not that into star trek. I saw the new movies and they were pretty good. My wife thinks Scott Bakula was hot back in the day
 
2017-12-30 09:56:30 PM  

Mugato: The Orville is the only show I've seen from that list and along with Supernatural, the the best show on at least network TV. List fails for not being completely reality shows.


To be fair, that would be a pretty easy list to compile:

- Some stupid renovation or house flipping show
- Some stupid show about vapid, narcissistic hollywood d-list celebrities
- Some stupid talent/music show

Yeah, I'm sure there are dozens of shows to pick from that follow this criteria.
 
2017-12-30 09:57:13 PM  
1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content.  That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming.  The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different.  Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.

2. Entries 9 & 10 are critically well-regarded to such and overwhelming degree that, while no one would feel they were particularly missing from a 10 best list, no one would raise objections to their inclusion, either.  Putting them on a 10 worst list isn't necessarily wrong by definition, but it's pretty obvious that it isn't your sincere opinion and you're intentionally trolling, Armond White.

3. Everything else on the list is boring, and kind of illustrates why a "ten worst" list of anything media-related is stupid.  The things that were bad are things people didn't watch, so such a list kind of inherently has zero relevance beyond intentionally putting shiat that obviously doesn't belong on it for trolling/clickbait purposes.

In conclusion, I'm glad I had all my ad blockers and so on active when clicking that article so that I could use the site's bandwidth while providing no ad revenue.  fark off.
 
2017-12-30 09:58:09 PM  

chapman: labman: fusillade762: 1. "Marvel's Inhumans," ABC

Can't argue with that. I hate-watched the entire thing on the hope, however astronomically slight, that there might be a SHIELD tie-in of some sort.


I can't believe that show ever made it to broadcast.

It's awful

Marvel wanted this to be their replacement for the X-Men in the MCU. It sucked so hard they decided to just buy Fox instead.


As long as they keep their fingers off Legion. Let Noah Hawley do his thing. Writing was good (not as good as Fargo), but the visual design of the show was the best in TV I've seen in a long time.
 
2017-12-30 09:59:26 PM  

Byno: moothemagiccow: tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible

But still better than Enterprise's theme song amirite?


Enterprise's opening visual sequence is still my favorite in all of Star Trek. The song, however, completely ruined it. A simple orchestral score and probably all time best Trek intro.
 
2017-12-30 09:59:32 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content. That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming. The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different. Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.


Um, can you nominate them for Emmys? (Handmaid's Tale, House of Cards, etc). Then they're farking TV shows.
 
2017-12-30 10:02:00 PM  
Someone explain this to me because one of the biggest criticism I KEEP reading about Iron Fist is the white washing, making Danny Rand white.

Now, I don't know the comics, I only know the TV show.

Was Danny Rand SUPPOSED to be Asian?  I was under the impression the gist of it was that he was just some spoiled white rich-kid who became this martial arts hero?

Don't get me wrong, I agree the show was garbage and I only watched it because it tied together the other Netflix Marvel shows.  I didn't enjoy a single episode.

But again, not being a smartass here, is the original comic character Asian?
 
2017-12-30 10:03:23 PM  

moothemagiccow: I tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible. The intro was 100% expository dialogue. "Gosh I can't believe you're the first starfleet scientist to ever discover dark matter."
"Well, you would know, as the daughter of Emperor Whateverthefark"


While I completely understand some people not liking the series in the general sense, these specific objections make it sound like you hadn't even heard that there was this thing called "Star Trek" before watching the new series.

Discovery is pretty much the least overly-expository series in the history of the franchise, with the possible exception of the nuTrek movies.  Literally every episode of TNG (and most episodes of ToS) opens with a literal voiceover narration summarizing the episode's plot and sometimes explicitly stating the intended theme in as many words, for christ's sake.  If that kind of writing is something that bothers you then you should have bailed on this franchise long before anyone even suggested paying a special fee to watch it.
 
2017-12-30 10:06:42 PM  

Mugato: Mugato: The Orville is the only show I've seen from that list and along with Supernatural, the the best show on at least network TV. List fails for not being completely reality shows.

I'll amend that statement because Penn and Teller's "Fool Us" is the one reality show that I watch and it's a  reality show but they aren't dicks to the contestants. They usually know how the tricks are done but they give them props for doing them. They don't swear about how they suck at singing or cooking shiat.


I like how they never out how the trick is done, just mention who they probably saw doing it or who might have taught them it.  Which on one level is amazing the amount of knowledge they have of all the people in their line of work, and also really cool how they don't just spoil it for the audience.
 
2017-12-30 10:06:55 PM  

Trocadero: Jim_Callahan: 1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content. That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming. The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different. Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.

Um, can you nominate them for Emmys? (Handmaid's Tale, House of Cards, etc). Then they're farking TV shows.


They are shows that I watch on my TV, ergo, they are TV shows.
 
2017-12-30 10:07:38 PM  
"The Orville" isn't a total atrocity, mind you, just a show that isn't sure what it wants to be other than an homage to classic "Star Trek." But even in that regard, the show barely matches the same quality level of its source material's subpar episodes.

Somebody is misremembering what a shiatshow the first season of TNG was.

In comparison, Orville isn't terrible, but the writing can definitely be terrible at times.

I'm looking at you, pointless public statue humping.
 
2017-12-30 10:09:05 PM  

Trocadero: chapman: labman: fusillade762: 1. "Marvel's Inhumans," ABC

Can't argue with that. I hate-watched the entire thing on the hope, however astronomically slight, that there might be a SHIELD tie-in of some sort.


I can't believe that show ever made it to broadcast.

It's awful

Marvel wanted this to be their replacement for the X-Men in the MCU. It sucked so hard they decided to just buy Fox instead.

As long as they keep their fingers off Legion. Let Noah Hawley do his thing. Writing was good (not as good as Fargo), but the visual design of the show was the best in TV I've seen in a long time.


The music choices were also spot-on. Plus Evil Aubrey Plaza gives me a terror boner. I could watch a whole season of just her and Clement on a road trip together causing mayhem.
 
2017-12-30 10:11:45 PM  

Trocadero: As long as they keep their fingers off Legion. Let Noah Hawley do his thing. Writing was good (not as good as Fargo), but the visual design of the show was the best in TV I've seen in a long time.


I really liked Legion, but they put style ahead of storytelling and it cost them a hell of a lot of viewers.

Counterpoint:

Aubrey Plaza (Lenny Busker) Dance Sequence - Legion - Chapter 6
Youtube 6AfE3TDJwHs
 
2017-12-30 10:15:39 PM  

buntz: Someone explain this to me because one of the biggest criticism I KEEP reading about Iron Fist is the white washing, making Danny Rand white.

Now, I don't know the comics, I only know the TV show.

Was Danny Rand SUPPOSED to be Asian?  I was under the impression the gist of it was that he was just some spoiled white rich-kid who became this martial arts hero?

Don't get me wrong, I agree the show was garbage and I only watched it because it tied together the other Netflix Marvel shows.  I didn't enjoy a single episode.

But again, not being a smartass here, is the original comic character Asian?


Nope

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2017-12-30 10:15:53 PM  

BullBearMS: Trocadero: As long as they keep their fingers off Legion. Let Noah Hawley do his thing. Writing was good (not as good as Fargo), but the visual design of the show was the best in TV I've seen in a long time.

I really liked Legion, but they put style ahead of storytelling and it cost them a hell of a lot of viewers.

Counterpoint:

[YouTube video: Aubrey Plaza (Lenny Busker) Dance Sequence - Legion - Chapter 6]


Nina Simone, Feelin Good. One of my all-time favorites. Also, Aubrey Plaza, dayum.
 
2017-12-30 10:16:37 PM  
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2017-12-30 10:18:36 PM  

buntz: Someone explain this to me because one of the biggest criticism I KEEP reading about Iron Fist is the white washing, making Danny Rand white.

Now, I don't know the comics, I only know the TV show.

Was Danny Rand SUPPOSED to be Asian?  I was under the impression the gist of it was that he was just some spoiled white rich-kid who became this martial arts hero?

Don't get me wrong, I agree the show was garbage and I only watched it because it tied together the other Netflix Marvel shows.  I didn't enjoy a single episode.

But again, not being a smartass here, is the original comic character Asian?


Nope, Danny Rand was always a rich white boy.
 
2017-12-30 10:23:17 PM  

baron von doodle: Nina Simone, Feelin Good. One of my all-time favorites.


Her versions of Sinnerman and I Put a Spell on You are amazing.

Nina Simone - I put a spell on you
Youtube ua2k52n_Bvw
 
2017-12-30 10:24:32 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Byno: Catlenfell: I enjoyed The Orville, and it's been critically acclaimed. Generally more than the newest Start Trek show.

A 20 on RT and a 36 on Metacritic = critic acclaim in Farkistan?  No wonder Getty Lee is worshipped around here.

Farkistan is hipster central. They HATE popular things. So the lower the score, the better. Also, RT doesn't care about bots, specifically when it comes to streaming exclusive shows, so at best it's lost its luster and about as fair as any newspaper entertainment section office rating.


What? Fark is not hipster central. Are hipsters even still a thing?

It's full of fat, old people without style.
 
2017-12-30 10:25:34 PM  
Only 10?

Stopped reading after The Orville made the list.
 
2017-12-30 10:28:34 PM  
Ctrl-F "Young Sheldon"

No hits. That list sucks.
 
2017-12-30 10:28:48 PM  
No SyFy shows?
 
2017-12-30 10:29:24 PM  
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2017-12-30 10:29:42 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content.  That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming.  The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different.  Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.


None of those disqualify them from being considered TV shows, especially in regards to what the article is talking about (not that I necessarily agree with the author).

And I have no idea what you mean by different "production methods."  Being delivered on a non-traditional platform has nothing to do with how they make the shows.
 
2017-12-30 10:30:18 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content.  That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming.  The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different.  Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.

2. Entries 9 & 10 are critically well-regarded to such and overwhelming degree that, while no one would feel they were particularly missing from a 10 best list, no one would raise objections to their inclusion, either.  Putting them on a 10 worst list isn't necessarily wrong by definition, but it's pretty obvious that it isn't your sincere opinion and you're intentionally trolling, Armond White.

3. Everything else on the list is boring, and kind of illustrates why a "ten worst" list of anything media-related is stupid.  The things that were bad are things people didn't watch, so such a list kind of inherently has zero relevance beyond intentionally putting shiat that obviously doesn't belong on it for trolling/clickbait purposes.

In conclusion, I'm glad I had all my ad blockers and so on active when clicking that article so that I could use the site's bandwidth while providing no ad revenue.  fark off.


It's not journalism, it's Salon.
 
2017-12-30 10:30:30 PM  

Byno: moothemagiccow: tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible

But still better than Enterprise's theme song amirite?


The intro to Enterprise was an excellent one visually, seeing how it went through the history of human exploration from sea voyages to rocket ships to stellar spacecraft. Nice mix of real events with fictional, a good way of letting everyone know the show was all about exploring the unknown and that it all started somewhere with someone a long time ago.
As to the theme song, it's been maligned by many. The musical score isn't the best, but it's well done and competent. Maybe a bit too pop song-ish and lacking the majestic feel of an orchestral one like TNG's. The singing talents of Russell Watson are good, but seem like a waste of talent. He's much better when he's singing classical like opera. The lyrics are a bit trite--long road, faith of the heart, nothing's gonna break me--but they do fit the theme of Star Trek. It's not terrible, but it could have been done maybe differently.
Star Trek - Enterprise Theme (Extended Version).mpg
Youtube pmQsrXLofMY
 
2017-12-30 10:35:52 PM  

Arachnophobe: buntz: Someone explain this to me because one of the biggest criticism I KEEP reading about Iron Fist is the white washing, making Danny Rand white.

Now, I don't know the comics, I only know the TV show.

Was Danny Rand SUPPOSED to be Asian?  I was under the impression the gist of it was that he was just some spoiled white rich-kid who became this martial arts hero?

Don't get me wrong, I agree the show was garbage and I only watched it because it tied together the other Netflix Marvel shows.  I didn't enjoy a single episode.

But again, not being a smartass here, is the original comic character Asian?

Nope, Danny Rand was always a rich white boy.


But after making a big deal about not casting an Asian in the role, Marvel TV department than went on to cast a white guy who was Liam Neeson getting over a fence bad at fight choreography, they changed his backstory anyways to make him an Arrow retread, and than never showed him punching a dragon in the heart to get his powers. Also he barely had any powers.
 
2017-12-30 10:36:46 PM  

Jim_Callahan: moothemagiccow: I tried to watch Star Trek Discovery and it was completely farking terrible. The intro was 100% expository dialogue. "Gosh I can't believe you're the first starfleet scientist to ever discover dark matter."
"Well, you would know, as the daughter of Emperor Whateverthefark"

While I completely understand some people not liking the series in the general sense, these specific objections make it sound like you hadn't even heard that there was this thing called "Star Trek" before watching the new series.

Discovery is pretty much the least overly-expository series in the history of the franchise, with the possible exception of the nuTrek movies.  Literally every episode of TNG (and most episodes of ToS) opens with a literal voiceover narration summarizing the episode's plot and sometimes explicitly stating the intended theme in as many words, for christ's sake.  If that kind of writing is something that bothers you then you should have bailed on this franchise long before anyone even suggested paying a special fee to watch it.


"You must watch 200 hours of prior crap to understand that this is not crap!"

SPECIAL FEE
hahahahahahahahaha
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2017-12-30 10:39:27 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 1. Three of those were Netflix shows and one was Amazon prime content.  That is not even slightly the same thing as a "TV show", other than the obvious tongue-in-cheek reference to SciFi Channel original programming.  The funding structure is different, the rating measurements and approval criteria are different, the delivery method is different, and the production methods are different.  Putting Iron Fist on a list of "TV Shows" is about as valid as accusing your neighbor's pet hamster of being the year's worst feature film.

2. Entries 9 & 10 are critically well-regarded to such and overwhelming degree that, while no one would feel they were particularly missing from a 10 best list, no one would raise objections to their inclusion, either.  Putting them on a 10 worst list isn't necessarily wrong by definition, but it's pretty obvious that it isn't your sincere opinion and you're intentionally trolling, Armond White.

3. Everything else on the list is boring, and kind of illustrates why a "ten worst" list of anything media-related is stupid.  The things that were bad are things people didn't watch, so such a list kind of inherently has zero relevance beyond intentionally putting shiat that obviously doesn't belong on it for trolling/clickbait purposes.

In conclusion, I'm glad I had all my ad blockers and so on active when clicking that article so that I could use the site's bandwidth while providing no ad revenue.  fark off.


jim i like your star wars theories but this is some grade A
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//no, it's actually good! there's "overwhelming critical acclaim"
//like those onanist coonts know anything about what's good
 
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