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2017-12-30 03:44:11 PM  
Ill just keep downloading my wife while she's thin.
 
2017-12-30 03:49:29 PM  
Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.
 
2017-12-30 03:55:15 PM  
🎶 Ain't nothing like the real thing, baby
Ain't nothing like the real thing 🎶
 
2017-12-30 03:56:39 PM  

Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.


I mean, he doesn't even have the time or inclination to Skype or FaceTime?! That's pretty bad.
 
2017-12-30 03:57:40 PM  
AI can mimic how you look
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/12/15​9​57844/ai-fake-video-audio-speech-obama​

AI can mimic how you talk
https://www.scientificamerican.com/ar​t​icle/new-ai-tech-can-mimic-any-voice/

And now they want AI to mimic how you think?

We have enough fake news -- very soon, the Cable TV watching public might very well not have any hope of knowing reality from fiction any longer

Sadly, seeing what I've seen in the last couple years, that even in the face of direct knowledge of these manufactured "facts", I strongly suspect that Society would simply no longer care about facts just as Ray Bradbury wrote about in Fahrenheit 451. They will just opt for confirmation bias as does the rabble of MAGA chanting cretins that now dominate the US

But, I could be totally wrong and it may very well bring about the end of Video Communication and Broadcast News, since people will eschew this dangerous fiction beyond entertainment value. But, that would be such an extreme long shot as to be almost absurd. I can only hope I am merely being overly cynical
 
2017-12-30 04:29:03 PM  
What could ever go wrong?

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2017-12-30 04:53:30 PM  

rcain: We have enough fake news -- very soon, the Cable TV watching public might very well not have any hope of knowing reality from fiction any longer

Sadly, seeing what I've seen in the last couple years, that even in the face of direct knowledge of these manufactured "facts", I strongly suspect that Society would simply no longer care about facts just as Ray Bradbury wrote about in Fahrenheit 451. They will just opt for confirmation bias as does the rabble of MAGA chanting cretins that now dominate the US

But, I could be totally wrong and it may very well bring about the end of Video Communication and Broadcast News, since people will eschew this dangerous fiction beyond entertainment value. But, that would be such an extreme long shot as to be almost absurd. I can only hope I am merely being overly cynical


The goal will be to create a videogame large enough and convincing enough that we can "press the reset button".  Modern life leaves us with nothing but surrogate goals, so we must create a surrogate reality that is free from digitally-altered news and AI clones.

But why we would do that when Dota 2 is already a thing, I don't quite know.  When I'm pushing the lane and farming the creeps, I wonder if Dota 2 is deeper than reality itself.

Spoiler: It is.
 
2017-12-30 04:58:53 PM  
Also:

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This is not the time to be naming anything tech-related "PAI".
 
2017-12-30 05:01:30 PM  
When do we add the angst-ridden teenager algorithm?
 
2017-12-30 05:02:56 PM  

GardenWeasel: When do we add the angst-ridden teenager algorithm?


maybe i already AM the algorhythm u asslord cuckbaby
 
2017-12-30 05:03:20 PM  

Mike_LowELL: already


alreddy*
 
2017-12-30 05:09:27 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: already

alreddy*


U type like one

XD
 
2017-12-30 05:14:12 PM  
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2017-12-30 05:27:09 PM  

GardenWeasel: Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: already

alreddy*

U type like one

XD


meet me in the fark nba thred, just u and me and no one else

d-e-d DED

soooo ded
 
2017-12-30 05:33:09 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: already

alreddy*


Not Al, Helen.
You will survive.
 
2017-12-30 06:30:25 PM  
I see Black Mirror is already gearing up for season five.
 
2017-12-30 06:30:52 PM  

Mike_LowELL: rcain: We have enough fake news -- very soon, the Cable TV watching public might very well not have any hope of knowing reality from fiction any longer

Sadly, seeing what I've seen in the last couple years, that even in the face of direct knowledge of these manufactured "facts", I strongly suspect that Society would simply no longer care about facts just as Ray Bradbury wrote about in Fahrenheit 451. They will just opt for confirmation bias as does the rabble of MAGA chanting cretins that now dominate the US

But, I could be totally wrong and it may very well bring about the end of Video Communication and Broadcast News, since people will eschew this dangerous fiction beyond entertainment value. But, that would be such an extreme long shot as to be almost absurd. I can only hope I am merely being overly cynical

The goal will be to create a videogame large enough and convincing enough that we can "press the reset button".  Modern life leaves us with nothing but surrogate goals, so we must create a surrogate reality that is free from digitally-altered news and AI clones.

But why we would do that when Dota 2 is already a thing, I don't quite know.  When I'm pushing the lane and farming the creeps, I wonder if Dota 2 is deeper than reality itself.

Spoiler: It is.


Uhhh yeah. Video Games. Sure

Not saying there won't be video games using this sort of tech, but seeing how they are already creating Holograms of Michael Jackson for Concerts and Star Wars already had a CGI Leia seamlessly replicating Carrie Fisher, it's only a matter of time before FOX or other unscrupulous parties start using this tech for catching political opponents "in the act". How do you deny the video if they've got eyes on you making sure you're not in a position to provide a reliable or non-compromising alibi?

This is serious shiat -- and has major ramifications for the future of Civilization itself

In fact, the consequences are so far reaching and completely unprecedented that it would be safer to outlaw the use of this tech without first obtaiing review, license and oversight for each use. But seeing who is running our Government, I can only assume the worst
 
2017-12-30 06:52:25 PM  

Mike_LowELL: GardenWeasel: Mike_LowELL: Mike_LowELL: already

alreddy*

U type like one

XD

meet me in the fark nba thred, just u and me and no one else

d-e-d DED

soooo ded


There is an NBA thread?
 
2017-12-30 06:59:26 PM  

rcain: Uhhh yeah. Video Games. Sure


I watched clips of people discussing The Matrix on a podcast, so you can be assured I am an expert on this topic.

rcain: Not saying there won't be video games using this sort of tech, but seeing how they are already creating Holograms of Michael Jackson for Concerts and Star Wars already had a CGI Leia seamlessly replicating Carrie Fisher, it's only a matter of time before FOX or other unscrupulous parties start using this tech for catching political opponents "in the act". How do you deny the video if they've got eyes on you making sure you're not in a position to provide a reliable or non-compromising alibi?

This is serious shiat -- and has major ramifications for the future of Civilization itself

In fact, the consequences are so far reaching and completely unprecedented that it would be safer to outlaw the use of this tech without first obtaiing review, license and oversight for each use. But seeing who is running our Government, I can only assume the worst


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The system will either die (revolution, calamity, etc.) or it will live on.  If it lives on, it will be the nihilist apocalypse because the human condition relies on the idea we're all unique and special individuals who make the death threats over Xbox Live.  Once you can copy someone's voice, or fake video of Hillary leading the charge at Benghazi, or genetically engineer humans, or clone existing humans, I'm out of a job, and the bots will steal all my precious upvotes.

So my solution assumes all those scary-ass things will be possible, and by combining them into a complete simulation, you keep people from freaking the fark out.  I also haven't decided how serious I am, so if any of you are looking at me weird, then it was just a prank, bro.  But nevermind that, we already have people who get up every day and play Minecraft or Farming Simulator, because they'd rather do boring-ass manual labor in a videogame than real-life.  Give it a couple more decades and shiat's gonna get salty.

Hell, I'm already planning to "wake up" on a cold snowy day in the late-1980s, connect to a bulletin board system, and laugh at PC gamers because they are not part of the Console Master Race.  I mean, PCs can't even do side-scrolling action games, that platform is going to be dead by the 1990s, lol, mark my words.

GardenWeasel: There is an NBA thread?


I sure hope so.  I haven't gotten mad at anyone today, would be worth a look.
 
2017-12-30 07:03:06 PM  
Dixie Flatline unavailable for questioning.
 
2017-12-30 07:03:47 PM  

foo monkey: I see Black Mirror is already gearing up for season five.


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Black Mirror already did it in 2014.
 
2017-12-30 07:04:48 PM  

Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.


There was a story about a guy who was making an AI duplicate of himself, not a robot, but a computer program with his personality and memories, and it wasn't clear until the end that he'd planned all along for one specific task - he was starting to get dementia at the beginning, and once he was sufficiently impaired, the AI instructed him how to kill himself, and after he did, contacted his wife and told her how to turn the AI off and wipe it from memory.
 
2017-12-30 07:08:30 PM  
This presupposes that everybody is worth duplicating. I'm pretty sure that the worthless douchebag who lives in the apartment next door is not worth any such effort.
 
2017-12-30 07:11:44 PM  

Gary-L: foo monkey: I see Black Mirror is already gearing up for season five.

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Black Mirror already did it in 2014.


Yep, first thing I thought of was White Christmas
 
2017-12-30 07:12:23 PM  
God, if I could have an AI that could replace me, why on Earth would I want it to look and sound like me? I could do much better than myself, thank you very much.
 
2017-12-30 07:16:33 PM  

Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.


What would happen if they took AI copies of people and added up their best or worst qualities into an assembled copy?
 
2017-12-30 07:17:24 PM  

bingethinker: This presupposes that everybody is worth duplicating. I'm pretty sure that the worthless douchebag who lives in the apartment next door is not worth any such effort.


Implying all the fat and ugly people aren't there to make you and me look even better. :^)
 
2017-12-30 07:23:51 PM  
Black Mirror, meet Snow Crash
 
2017-12-30 07:31:53 PM  

Mike_LowELL: The system will either die (revolution, calamity, etc.) or it will live on.  If it lives on, it will be the nihilist apocalypse because the human condition relies on the idea we're all unique and special individuals who make the death threats over Xbox Live.  Once you can copy someone's voice, or fake video of Hillary leading the charge at Benghazi, or genetically engineer humans, or clone existing humans, I'm out of a job, and the bots will steal all my precious upvotes.


I comfort myself with the idea that a lot of apocalyptic fears are no worse than ordinary life a couple hundred years ago. For instance, if we can fake pictures, videos, and audio, it's no worse than when we had none of those available and had to trust or not trust the written word. If people get virtual lynch mobs after them, it's no worse than when people used to live in one small town all their life and had to deal with it if everyone hated them. If people get randomly blown up by roving drones, it's no worse than dealing with the plague. And so on.
 
2017-12-30 07:32:27 PM  
This seems like one of those companies where what they are doing seems really cool, and some of the underlying technology used to develop their product probably has solid potential applications, but the stated goal of the company is to produce something that is practically useless and solves literally zero problems. I don't see how this improves anyone's lives in any way other than being kind of neat.

Companies like Google can afford to do these sorts of things because they can cannibalize the technology they developed over the course of making it and repurpose most of it for other projects until the various pieces land in something that actually sticks.

When this is all your company does, though, I don't see a particularly bright future for it.
 
2017-12-30 07:33:21 PM  

Mister Peejay: Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.

What would happen if they took AI copies of people and added up their best or worst qualities into an assembled copy?


Good question ;)
 
2017-12-30 07:55:02 PM  

foo monkey: I see Black Mirror is already gearing up for season five.


More like the Series Finale of Caprica.

Seriously, this WAS basically the whole villain master plan from that series.
 
2017-12-30 08:18:18 PM  

Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.


I fail to see why. God may be dead, but he left behind a legacy system with a huge stack.
 
2017-12-30 08:34:13 PM  

Mike_LowELL: The system will either die (revolution, calamity, etc.) or it will live on.  If it lives on, it will be the nihilist apocalypse because the human condition relies on the idea we're all unique and special individuals who make the death threats over Xbox Live.  Once you can copy someone's voice, or fake video of Hillary leading the charge at Benghazi, or genetically engineer humans, or clone existing humans, I'm out of a job, and the bots will steal all my precious upvotes.

So my solution assumes all those scary-ass things will be possible, and by combining them into a complete simulation, you keep people from freaking the fark out.  I also haven't decided how serious I am, so if any of you are looking at me weird, then it was just a prank, bro.  But nevermind that, we already have people who get up every day and play Minecraft or Farming Simulator, because they'd rather do boring-ass manual labor in a videogame than real-life.  Give it a couple more decades and shiat's gonna get salty.

Hell, I'm already planning to "wake up" on a cold snowy day in the late-1980s, connect to a bulletin board system, and laugh at PC gamers because they are not part of the Console Master Race.  I mean, PCs can't even do side-scrolling action games, that platform is going to be dead by the 1990s, lol, mark my words.


Well, thing is from my read -- you are a nihilist. Just letting tech run amuck for technologies sake is completely irresponsible. We've already seen the social ramifications of things like the National Highway System, Phones and then the Internet and presently, where we are today as a society gives me grave concerns and leads me to believe that this would be akin to handing a loaded handgun to a toddler

Letting people fabricate fictions that are completely indistinguishable from reality that may in time even fool the experts and other AI is something I think no sane person who values Human Civilization should ever be comfortable with

You are basically saying "let the world burn and come what may", which to me isn't really any more a solution that closing your eyes and bracing for impact as your car careens out of control

And that is why I see you as nihilist and not someone I feel I can have a meaningful chat with on this subject today. Not trashing you, just stating that we presently have two very different philosophies regarding pretty much everything on this matter, and that's fine
 
2017-12-30 08:41:41 PM  
You get my body back at the power plant,
reinsert me into the Matrix?

I'll get what you want.
 
2017-12-30 08:42:49 PM  
My only regret in life is I will likely die before the technology exists to fulfill my dream of living inside the internet.

Reality is disappointing. Copy me into a digital landscape then after the upload is complete hand me a gun with a single bullet. I'd be just fine with knowing I'm a copy and the original me is rotting in the ground in another reality. Wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it.
 
2017-12-30 09:00:30 PM  
Your avatar's AI will be far better at getting the guy/girl than you (it will learn via iteration), and will have you pithed so it can take all your stuff and your body, too.

/A world where people are sitting around watching their Sims-clone is going to be filled with serial killers, going door-to-door, eliminating people on their couches and at their desks.
//The people who can find the seam in the zone defense of the system (our future Tuttles) are going to have the most interesting lives of all.
 
2017-12-30 09:31:43 PM  

feanorn: Your avatar's AI will be far better at getting the guy/girl than you (it will learn via iteration)


Which is hilarious, given that people get the good ends in visual novels by replaying them, and learning via iteration.
 
2017-12-30 10:10:06 PM  

Mister Peejay: feanorn: Your avatar's AI will be far better at getting the guy/girl than you (it will learn via iteration)

Which is hilarious, given that people get the good ends in visual novels by replaying them, and learning via iteration.


Funny how they manage that but it happens so infrequently in meatspace.
 
2017-12-30 10:24:14 PM  
Welp, it's good to see that the Germans still have some high level grifters still operating...
 
2017-12-30 11:22:42 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Black Mirror, meet Snow Crash


Then step it up another notch with S4E1.  Just watched that tonight, eesh that could be a horrible hell left in the wrong hands as demonstrated.
 
2017-12-31 12:33:41 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Also:

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This is not the time to be naming anything tech-related "PAI".


Mr Bean seems to have aged well...
 
2017-12-31 12:34:44 AM  

fusillade762: [img.fark.net image 720x479]


I loved this episode, despite its few flaws.
 
2017-12-31 12:54:28 AM  

BumpInTheNight: TofuTheAlmighty: Black Mirror, meet Snow Crash

Then step it up another notch with S4E1.  Just watched that tonight, eesh that could be a horrible hell left in the wrong hands as demonstrated.


Captain Meth Damon... and I loved the cameo at the end.

...but yes, a truly scary potential.
 
2017-12-31 12:57:04 AM  
I feel bad for poor Gillian from marketing.
 
2017-12-31 12:57:50 AM  

LesserEvil: BumpInTheNight: TofuTheAlmighty: Black Mirror, meet Snow Crash

Then step it up another notch with S4E1.  Just watched that tonight, eesh that could be a horrible hell left in the wrong hands as demonstrated.

Captain Meth Damon... and I loved the cameo at the end.

...but yes, a truly scary potential.


Oh yeah, definitely don't miss the credits to see who the King of Space was.
 
2017-12-31 04:08:35 AM  

lindalouwho: Sid_6.7: Eternal recurrence has always been my biggest issue with Nietzsche's philosophy.

He travels a lot for work, for example, and some kind of virtual AI copy of himself could be used to interact with his kids so they didn't end up missing him as much.

And in a couple decades they can find a good AI psychologist to help them with their childhood issues.

I mean, he doesn't even have the time or inclination to Skype or FaceTime?! That's pretty bad.


If I'm paying for a clone, it's that goddamned bastard that will be punching a clock while I'm at home playing with the kids.
 
2017-12-31 07:16:39 AM  

foo monkey: I see Black Mirror is already gearing up for season five.


at this point, between black mirror and farked up startups, i'm not sure whom is getting inspiration from whom
 
2017-12-31 10:30:40 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: I comfort myself with the idea that a lot of apocalyptic fears are no worse than ordinary life a couple hundred years ago. For instance, if we can fake pictures, videos, and audio, it's no worse than when we had none of those available and had to trust or not trust the written word. If people get virtual lynch mobs after them, it's no worse than when people used to live in one small town all their life and had to deal with it if everyone hated them. If people get randomly blown up by roving drones, it's no worse than dealing with the plague. And so on.


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Multiply this by a hundred or so, in the next whatever number of years, and there's your problem.

rcain: And that is why I see you as nihilist and not someone I feel I can have a meaningful chat with on this subject today. Not trashing you, just stating that we presently have two very different philosophies regarding pretty much everything on this matter, and that's fine


Fark nihilism, lol, I just don't waste my time worrying about shiat I (currently) have no control over, and do everything I can to influence the things I do.  I mean, in six months, when I am king, then maybe I'll think about lowering taxes and getting the government out of my life.  But for the time being, I'm taxed enough already.
 
2017-12-31 12:34:04 PM  
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I've read this book before. 

Houellebecq being a lunatic aside, this is a pretty good book.
 
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