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(International Business Times)   For every hit song, there's a lawsuit claiming it was stolen. Or, in regards to "Uptown Funk", a whole bunch of lawsuits   ( ibtimes.com) divider line
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2017-12-30 09:17:29 AM  
IMHO the two songs in TFA should lose. I heard them both thousands of times and didn't think of either one anytime I heard Uptown Funk. If they would happen to win somehow, it would be a travesty and open the door for a boatload of songs from the disco era to also file suit.
 
2017-12-30 09:22:31 AM  
Welcome to the death of music.
 
2017-12-30 09:44:54 AM  
Lawyers.
 
2017-12-30 09:48:44 AM  
I can hear the influences, definitely, but the courts need to decide if "influences" equal songwriting. I think the Blurred Lines case set the precedent, and it's a bad one. This is what happens when royalty checks stop coming in, though I guess.
 
2017-12-30 10:06:51 AM  
Whoever is eventually found responsible should be sued for causing extreme pain and suffering

/Class action
 
2017-12-30 10:10:23 AM  

sirrerun: I can hear the influences, definitely, but the courts need to decide if "influences" equal songwriting. I think the Blurred Lines case set the precedent, and it's a bad one. This is what happens when royalty checks stop coming in, though I guess.


I'm with you on the influences to a point.  But to be honest, I didn't listen to the combined 20 minutes of the two claimant songs because after the first minute of each it became extremely repetitious and skipping to the end, seems that they didn't get past whatever riff they were using.

I have to disagree about Blurred Lines though because from the instant I heard it, I heard Marvin Gaye's song and wondered how much writing credit he got.  With these two songs?  Not so much.  One has a few words in common, the other one when you got into it, had a similar guitar riff.

On one hand, pop music has gotten themselves into this predicament due to the rampant sampling and ripping off of previous songs.  On the other, maybe it's time to consider music in a similar vein to literature where certain things are considered open for use.  It's not like there has been only one murder mystery ever written and nobody can write anymore.
 
2017-12-30 11:45:52 AM  
Most music has been ripped off. Ripped off from me actually. See, I use the notes A-G, with variations of sharps and flats, and I also use lots of chords combining those various notes in unique ways. Now everybody is using that same stuff. And then I have these time signatures and people are copying those, too. Hell, BHO even used his time travel machine to go back and fence my work to guys like Mozart and Bach who were just two-bit street performers before that. Even when I mix it up good, you know, a good A-A-B-A, some schmuck steals it. About the best you can do is author a distinct bridge and next thing you know, some guy in Brooklyn is trying to sell that to somebody. It's all a big racket to keep the real talent out and elevate hacks like Bruno Mars.
 
2017-12-30 12:09:00 PM  

BizarreMan: sirrerun: I can hear the influences, definitely, but the courts need to decide if "influences" equal songwriting. I think the Blurred Lines case set the precedent, and it's a bad one. This is what happens when royalty checks stop coming in, though I guess.

I'm with you on the influences to a point.  But to be honest, I didn't listen to the combined 20 minutes of the two claimant songs because after the first minute of each it became extremely repetitious and skipping to the end, seems that they didn't get past whatever riff they were using.

I have to disagree about Blurred Lines though because from the instant I heard it, I heard Marvin Gaye's song and wondered how much writing credit he got.  With these two songs?  Not so much.  One has a few words in common, the other one when you got into it, had a similar guitar riff.

On one hand, pop music has gotten themselves into this predicament due to the rampant sampling and ripping off of previous songs.  On the other, maybe it's time to consider music in a similar vein to literature where certain things are considered open for use.  It's not like there has been only one murder mystery ever written and nobody can write anymore.


Yep.  They both sound like George Clinton Rip offs to me, and every other funk song from that era.

Blurred lines was a direct rip off and Thicke even copped to it in a GQ interview.  Which is why in the end he lost the case, but then doubled down and blamed Pharrel, saying that he, Thicke, was on pills and booze at the time so he should not be responsible.

GQ: What's the origin story behind your new single "Blurred Lines"?
Robin Thicke:
 Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up." I was like, "Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove." Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. The whole thing was done in a couple hours-normally, those are the best ones. Him and I would go back and forth where I'd sing a line and he'd be like, "Hey, hey, hey!" We started acting like we were two old men on a porch hollering at girls like, "Hey, where you going, girl? Come over here!" That's why, in the video, we're doing all these old men dances. It was great.


https://www.gq.com/story/robin-thicke​-​interview-blurred-lines-music-video-co​llaborating-with-2-chainz-and-kendrick​-lamar-mercy
 
2017-12-30 12:09:44 PM  
If anyone has a claim to uptown funk it might be the estate of James Brown, but I wouldn't give it to them either.
 
2017-12-30 12:14:20 PM  
how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.
 
2017-12-30 12:15:27 PM  

Crewmannumber6: If anyone has a claim to uptown funk it might be the estate of James Brown, but I wouldn't give it to them either.


Huh? What song are you thinking of, because I don't see it. Unless you Neman some dance moves, and they're not fair game.
 
2017-12-30 12:17:51 PM  
Considering that the song is a call-back to the funk era, I imagine that there would be a lot of similarities to songs from that era.

/Intellectual property is a farked-up area of law that desperately needs fixing.
 
2017-12-30 12:19:37 PM  

CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.


You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?
 
2017-12-30 12:25:50 PM  
I'm really shocked Morris Day and the Time have not gotten in on the action:

Morris Day and The Time - Jungle Love (HQ)
Youtube N2FPQvwhSDY


I can't hear Uptown Funk without thinking of Jungle Love.
 
2017-12-30 12:26:16 PM  

lindalouwho: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?


Right?

All of Clintons LPs had several 8-10 minute tracks on them.
 
zez
2017-12-30 12:27:05 PM  
It sounds like "Walk the Dinosaur" to me, but then that song is a homage to older stuff as well.
 
2017-12-30 12:27:59 PM  

lindalouwho: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?


old school funk? No. I'm pretty familiar with electronica from the mid-late 90s/early 2000s though.
 
2017-12-30 12:28:00 PM  

CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.


What?  A lot of Floyd is mental masturbation.  As is a lot of Funk, but Funk is grounded heavily in blues and jazz, which means long moments of improvisation, changing of styles, and telling a story.
 
zez
2017-12-30 12:28:41 PM  

theflatline: lindalouwho: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?

Right?

All of Clintons LPs had several 8-10 minute tracks on them.


I saw George Clinton and the P-Funk all stars at Lollapalloza one year, they could probably play a song for 2 weeks if the cocaine lasted.
 
2017-12-30 12:31:24 PM  
Bruno Mars vs. Strong Bad - Uptown Fhqwhgads
Youtube t6IKTNmn3Uo


/ The only thing I'm adding to the conversation
 
kab
2017-12-30 12:31:40 PM  
Well, when you're writing derivative songs, you're going to wind up inevitably stepping on the toes of your predecessors.
 
2017-12-30 12:31:58 PM  

theflatline: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

What?  A lot of Floyd is mental masturbation.  As is a lot of Funk, but Funk is grounded heavily in blues and jazz, which means long moments of improvisation, changing of styles, and telling a story.


How is Pink Floyd not that?  Because it was for stoners in the 70s?  The entire album The Wall is them literally telling a story.
 
2017-12-30 12:32:00 PM  

zez: theflatline: lindalouwho: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?

Right?

All of Clintons LPs had several 8-10 minute tracks on them.

I saw George Clinton and the P-Funk all stars at Lollapalloza one year, they could probably play a song for 2 weeks if the cocaine lasted.


Yep. I saw them in college back in 1994, and they were tapping members of the band in and out of the song like it was a tag team wrestling match. You'd see someone play for a bit, leave the stage to take a break, and then rotate back in without the music slowing down.
 
2017-12-30 12:32:33 PM  

CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.


"Funk You Up (Long Version) 10:30
Funk You Up (Short Version) 6:30
https://www.discogs.com/Sequence-Funk​-​You-Up/master/206308"
 
2017-12-30 12:33:54 PM  
Here's a little story about how the songwriting rackets work from someone who would know

Todd Snider If Tomorrow Never Comes
Youtube erdlUyllNhU
 
2017-12-30 12:35:29 PM  

CanuckInCA: Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.


Goldie's "Timeless" is technically three songs mixed together.  The vinyl 12" singles have the original versions.

Just sayin'.
 
2017-12-30 12:35:51 PM  
The Trammps_Disco Inferno_Unreleased Tom Moulton Mix
Youtube A8nEh3fujcg
 
2017-12-30 12:36:44 PM  
Absolutely ridiculous. No case at all.
 
2017-12-30 01:01:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: zez: theflatline: lindalouwho: CanuckInCA: how are these farking songs 10 minutes long?

Pink Floyd doing 10-minute long songs? OK.  The Weeknd with XO / The Host clocking in at 8 minutes? Great. Timeless at 21 minutes? Yes, makes sense.

But these two farking songs at 10 minutes?  The difference between the above artists/songs and these ones is progression.  The end of the 10 minute song sounds exactly like the beginning. How the fark am I going to listen to 10 minutes of that?  At least uptown funk gets to the point and gets it over with in like 2 1/2 minutes.

You've never  listened to much old school (or even some contemporary) funk, club music, or disco, have you?

Right?

All of Clintons LPs had several 8-10 minute tracks on them.

I saw George Clinton and the P-Funk all stars at Lollapalloza one year, they could probably play a song for 2 weeks if the cocaine lasted.

Yep. I saw them in college back in 1994, and they were tapping members of the band in and out of the song like it was a tag team wrestling match. You'd see someone play for a bit, leave the stage to take a break, and then rotate back in without the music slowing down.


I've seen Clinton a whole bunch of time, one of the craziest was around 25 years ago. He was playing in our County Parks Summer Series (free!), it was his birthday (July 22). Long story short, the concerts start at 8pm and the parks must be closed by 11. George proclaimed he was gonna play all night long, 11:30 roools around and the cops roll in. They talked to the director for 15 minutes, and Clinton was ignoring being waved at, then ignoring the director standing beside him. I knew the director (special events for the county) came up to me and some other radio people asking for help, we laughed, wtf could we do? Half hour goes by, a cop goes onstage talking to Clinton when a song ended. The band kept going.
Now it's 1am and 6 cops go on stage. The whole band jumped off the side of the stage and continued acapella for another 30 minutes, hardly any of the 20,000 people had left. Then, a whole stream of police cars and vans rolled into the park, and it was over. But it sure was glorious!
 
2017-12-30 01:07:21 PM  
If we sued for every stomp-clap song, I'm pretty sure funk would've died in the crib. On the bright side, disco would never have happened...
 
2017-12-30 01:09:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I'm really shocked Morris Day and the Time have not gotten in on the action:

[Youtube N2FPQvwhSDY image 480x360][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/N2FPQvwh​SDY]

I can't hear Uptown Funk without thinking of Jungle Love.


You mean like this.
Uptown Love meets Jungle Funk
Youtube 12aKnNcn72Y
 
2017-12-30 01:11:13 PM  

edmo: Most music has been ripped off. Ripped off from me actually. See, I use the notes A-G, with variations of sharps and flats, and I also use lots of chords combining those various notes in unique ways. Now everybody is using that same stuff. And then I have these time signatures and people are copying those, too. Hell, BHO even used his time travel machine to go back and fence my work to guys like Mozart and Bach who were just two-bit street performers before that. Even when I mix it up good, you know, a good A-A-B-A, some schmuck steals it. About the best you can do is author a distinct bridge and next thing you know, some guy in Brooklyn is trying to sell that to somebody. It's all a big racket to keep the real talent out and elevate hacks like Bruno Mars.


Oh just give it a img.fark.net
 
2017-12-30 01:12:14 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Here's a little story about how the songwriting rackets work from someone who would know

[YouTube video: Todd Snider If Tomorrow Never Comes]


I love Todd Snider. I got to see him perform at the Chicago school of music a couple of different times in the early-mid 2000s. Hell of a guy and his stories are stellar.
 
2017-12-30 01:27:24 PM  
I don't hear it. Dumb lawsuit.
 
2017-12-30 01:32:34 PM  
Ever since Uptown Funk came out it's driven me crazy trying to figure out what funk/disco song the guitar intro reminds me of.
Oops, gonna cause another lawsuit.
 
2017-12-30 01:41:14 PM  
Anyone else just glad to be reminded of the existence of "Oops Upside Your Head"?
 
2017-12-30 01:47:00 PM  

Naido: Anyone else just glad to be reminded of the existence of "Oops Upside Your Head"?


Snap! - Ooops up
Youtube QxElPpZCy0g
 
2017-12-30 01:50:07 PM  
Sounds like Was (Not Was) to me...

Was (Not Was) - Walk The Dinosaur
Youtube zYKupOsaJmk
 
2017-12-30 01:56:43 PM  

theflatline: BizarreMan: sirrerun: I can hear the influences, definitely, but the courts need to decide if "influences" equal songwriting. I think the Blurred Lines case set the precedent, and it's a bad one. This is what happens when royalty checks stop coming in, though I guess.

I'm with you on the influences to a point.  But to be honest, I didn't listen to the combined 20 minutes of the two claimant songs because after the first minute of each it became extremely repetitious and skipping to the end, seems that they didn't get past whatever riff they were using.

I have to disagree about Blurred Lines though because from the instant I heard it, I heard Marvin Gaye's song and wondered how much writing credit he got.  With these two songs?  Not so much.  One has a few words in common, the other one when you got into it, had a similar guitar riff.

On one hand, pop music has gotten themselves into this predicament due to the rampant sampling and ripping off of previous songs.  On the other, maybe it's time to consider music in a similar vein to literature where certain things are considered open for use.  It's not like there has been only one murder mystery ever written and nobody can write anymore.

Yep.  They both sound like George Clinton Rip offs to me, and every other funk song from that era.

Blurred lines was a direct rip off and Thicke even copped to it in a GQ interview.  Which is why in the end he lost the case, but then doubled down and blamed Pharrel, saying that he, Thicke, was on pills and booze at the time so he should not be responsible.

GQ: What's the origin story behind your new single "Blurred Lines"?
Robin Thicke: Pharrell and I were in the studio and I told him that one of my favorite songs of all time was Marvin Gaye's "Got to Give It Up." I was like, "Damn, we should make something like that, something with that groove." Then he started playing a little something and we literally wrote the song in about a half hour and recorded it. The whole thing was done in a couple hours-normally, those are the best ones. Him and I would go back and forth where I'd sing a line and he'd be like, "Hey, hey, hey!" We started acting like we were two old men on a porch hollering at girls like, "Hey, where you going, girl? Come over here!" That's why, in the video, we're doing all these old men dances. It was great.


https://www.gq.com/story/robin-thicke-​interview-blurred-lines-music-video-co​llaborating-with-2-chainz-and-kendrick​-lamar-mercy


That isn't admiting anything other than the influence and I don't think a settlment is the same as losing
 
2017-12-30 02:08:47 PM  
 
2017-12-30 02:44:15 PM  

lindalouwho: Ever since Uptown Funk came out it's driven me crazy trying to figure out what funk/disco song the guitar intro reminds me of.
Oops, gonna cause another lawsuit.


The chicken scratch riff is a funk staple. It's every Bootsy/Nile Rodgers song that's ever existed.

Bootsy's Rubber Band - Body Slam (1982)
Youtube kAdcR3VenqQ
 
2017-12-30 02:45:03 PM  
See, I know some people who know some people who robbed some people.

/ too obscure?
// love snoop dogg
/// but I'm a metalhead
 
2017-12-30 02:56:19 PM  
Shouldn't the oldest song writer be suing each subsequent song writer who is claiming to be being ripped off? They all 'stole' from the original.
 
2017-12-30 02:59:23 PM  
Is that the Billy Joel song?
 
2017-12-30 02:59:54 PM  
Man, that's funked up.
 
2017-12-30 03:07:08 PM  
I'm just waiting for someone to file a suit like this, where the defendant has to admit that they both stole the melody from a minor Mozart piece...
 
2017-12-30 03:21:28 PM  

Ishkur: lindalouwho: Ever since Uptown Funk came out it's driven me crazy trying to figure out what funk/disco song the guitar intro reminds me of.
Oops, gonna cause another lawsuit.

The chicken scratch riff is a funk staple. It's every Bootsy/Nile Rodgers song that's ever existed.

[YouTube video: Bootsy's Rubber Band - Body Slam (1982)]


Nah I'm thinking about one particular song, probably disco. At first I thought it was Cutie Pie, but it's not.
 
2017-12-30 03:29:19 PM  

invictus2: [Youtube t6IKTNmn3Uo image 480x270][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/t6IKTNmn​3Uo]

/ The only thing I'm adding to the conversation


I luv u fhqwhgads!
 
2017-12-30 03:29:31 PM  
A  B♭  B  C  C♯  D  E♭  E  F  F♯  G  A♭

That's all the notes you get. Now go out there and write something completely original!
 
2017-12-30 03:40:45 PM  
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