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(The Atlantic)   Food deserts have been replaced by food swamps   ( theatlantic.com) divider line
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2017-12-28 07:24:18 PM  
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2017-12-28 11:45:23 PM  
Is this more poor shaming or fat shaming or a little bit of both?
 
2017-12-29 12:47:07 AM  
Costco has some amazing healthy options if you are cool about buying 2 pounds at a time. This Japanese seaweed vegetable sesame salad, shrimp ceviche, salads. Herring. Definitely fills in holes in Trader Joe's lineup. I pity fools and fatties at fast food swamps.
 
2017-12-29 12:48:59 AM  
compared the obesity rate of U.S. counties to their ratio of fast-food restaurants and convenience stores to grocery stores and supermarkets

But are they cause and effect, and if so then which?
 
2017-12-29 12:49:04 AM  
I'm visiting my MIL in Florida right now. Jeez the restaurant options are awful. It's either fast food or sports bar/chain casual restaurants. There's very few options for decent/healthy eating out. Good thing we're cooking at home just about every day.
 
2017-12-29 12:52:06 AM  
There is so much stupid here all can offer is this (original, I know)

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2017-12-29 01:15:00 AM  
Did they even consider the density of mostly white suburbs vs mostly minority cities? Suburbanites is going to have less fast food joints within a mile of than than in a city. Cities are space deprived, soo you're only going to get a  food store/market that takes up the same footprint as a Aldi, Walgreen's, or Sav-a-lot.
/I got lucky, because I have plenty of Aldi sized markets within a mile of me, and a Walmart and a Food-4-less(Kroger).
//Also it's still a swamp with fast food joints(BK, 2 McD's, KFC, Popeyes, Subway, and White Castle) within a half mile.
 
2017-12-29 01:15:31 AM  
I kinda wanted to try a Double-down.
 
2017-12-29 03:27:45 AM  

meatofmystery: I kinda wanted to try a Double-down.


You'll only need half, so get another food adventurer to go with you.

Safety in numbers.

/It's nasty
 
2017-12-29 09:23:44 AM  
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2017-12-29 09:56:00 AM  
"In addition to being low on grocery stores, food swamps are also crammed with unhealthy food options like corner stores and fast-food places."

Are they honestly suggesting that the number of grocery stores be even with the number of fast food and convenience stores? Do they realize how utterly stupid that is? They would build a grocery store on every corner if there was money to be made, the problem is, there isn't. They're completely different business models. The number of daily customers required to keep a fast food restaurant afloat is far lower than what's needed to sustain a grocery store, both the overhead and profit margins are drastically different.

"The relationship between food swamps and obesity was especially strong in areas where people lacked both their own cars and access to public transportation."

I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?
 
2017-12-29 11:05:13 AM  
Say your standard behavior on any given night is to grab some fast food on the way home from work or nuke something frozen/canned.  Something fast and cheap.  How is limiting you to fewer fast food options or opening some shop with more "from scratch" options going to change this behavior? You can open all the Whole Foods and Froufrou's Organic Kitchen restaurants you want, but it won't have any appeal to someone with these requirements.

If you can come up with something healthy that is as cheap and fast as these "bad" options AND is tasty and filling, then maybe you can make an impact on this behavior.  I know people will say "you can cook something healthy and tasty from scratch for about the same price as fast food and in not too much more time"; but while that may be kind of true for a master chef, it is really not true for Joe six pack.  If you have never once shopped for produce and never boiled water, someone telling you how to "cook healthy" might as well be speaking Klingon.

Maybe we need to make multiple years of cooking/nutrition classes mandatory during secondary education...
 
2017-12-29 11:11:26 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "In addition to being low on grocery stores, food swamps are also crammed with unhealthy food options like corner stores and fast-food places."

I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?


Pretty much anywhere outside of a big city (with bus routes).  The nearest (to me) official "food desert" (that I know of) is here:  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bru​n​swick,+MD
 
2017-12-29 11:21:50 AM  
I think the only trend here is the extent to which certain classes of (especially) white people avoid fast food. If I go to a McDonald's in southern Brooklyn, where most whites are immigrants or NY natives, there will be a ton of other white people eating there. If I go into a McDonald's in a trendy/gentrifying part of northern Brooklyn, I'll be the only white guy because hipsters and yuppies don't move all the way to NY to eat the shiat that was available in the brain drain state they came from.
 
2017-12-29 11:46:07 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: ReapTheChaos: "In addition to being low on grocery stores, food swamps are also crammed with unhealthy food options like corner stores and fast-food places."

I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?

Pretty much anywhere outside of a big city (with bus routes).  The nearest (to me) official "food desert" (that I know of) is here:  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brun​swick,+MD


Well, to begin with, you miss quoted my post by attributing my reply to the wrong quote from the article. Aside from that, people who live in suburban areas, or places without public transportation, typically own a car or have some other means of getting around. My point is, they seem to be assuming that people who live in those places have no means of transportation. I'm just curious where their getting that information from.

If they're going to make a connection to food desserts/swamps, lack of transportation, and obesity, they should post something to back up the claim. You can't simply point to a location with no public transportation, and assume that people there are obese because they have no means of getting to the nearest grocery store.
 
2017-12-29 01:40:10 PM  

stuff: Say your standard behavior on any given night is to grab some fast food on the way home from work or nuke something frozen/canned.  Something fast and cheap.  How is limiting you to fewer fast food options or opening some shop with more "from scratch" options going to change this behavior? You can open all the Whole Foods and Froufrou's Organic Kitchen restaurants you want, but it won't have any appeal to someone with these requirements.

If you can come up with something healthy that is as cheap and fast as these "bad" options AND is tasty and filling, then maybe you can make an impact on this behavior.  I know people will say "you can cook something healthy and tasty from scratch for about the same price as fast food and in not too much more time"; but while that may be kind of true for a master chef, it is really not true for Joe six pack.  If you have never once shopped for produce and never boiled water, someone telling you how to "cook healthy" might as well be speaking Klingon.

Maybe we need to make multiple years of cooking/nutrition classes mandatory during secondary education...


That's what "HomeEc" was.  Gone by the wayside, like band, shop class, and "art".
 
2017-12-29 03:12:40 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "In addition to being low on grocery stores, food swamps are also crammed with unhealthy food options like corner stores and fast-food places."

Are they honestly suggesting that the number of grocery stores be even with the number of fast food and convenience stores? Do they realize how utterly stupid that is? They would build a grocery store on every corner if there was money to be made, the problem is, there isn't. They're completely different business models. The number of daily customers required to keep a fast food restaurant afloat is far lower than what's needed to sustain a grocery store, both the overhead and profit margins are drastically different.

"The relationship between food swamps and obesity was especially strong in areas where people lacked both their own cars and access to public transportation."

I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?


Densely populated major metropolitan urban neighborhoods, where walking is the norm? Even if transportation is available, not everyone has the means to prepare a proper meal. I've known folks who were doing well to have an electric frying pan.

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2017-12-29 09:40:57 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?


Do you want to carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus?  Or spend a ton of time and money going multiple times a week?
 
2017-12-29 10:43:34 PM  

12349876: ReapTheChaos: I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?

Do you want to carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus?  Or spend a ton of time and money going multiple times a week?


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2017-12-29 10:49:54 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 12349876: ReapTheChaos: I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?

Do you want to carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus?  Or spend a ton of time and money going multiple times a week?

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Uh, that's not feeding more than 2 for a week, and still would be difficult to finagle around on a bus.
 
2017-12-29 11:37:57 PM  

12349876: ReapTheChaos: 12349876: ReapTheChaos: I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?

Do you want to carry a week's worth of groceries on the bus?  Or spend a ton of time and money going multiple times a week?

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Uh, that's not feeding more than 2 for a week, and still would be difficult to finagle around on a bus.


Every old lady in Boston had one of those shopping trolleys clanging around the bus stairs.  And if you have a base of rice'n'beans/dry pasta a trolley load is more than enough for a family's fresh veggies and meat for a week.

Shopping by bicycle is waaaaay more of a pain in the ass.

By either method what you don't buy is *frozen* stuff like ice cream unless you're less than 20 minutes from home.  This is why Otter Pops are the absolute best thing ever...doesn't matter if they thaw on the way home, you just pop them in the freezer again, no harm no foul.
 
2017-12-30 12:30:42 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "In addition to being low on grocery stores, food swamps are also crammed with unhealthy food options like corner stores and fast-food places."

Are they honestly suggesting that the number of grocery stores be even with the number of fast food and convenience stores? Do they realize how utterly stupid that is? They would build a grocery store on every corner if there was money to be made, the problem is, there isn't. They're completely different business models. The number of daily customers required to keep a fast food restaurant afloat is far lower than what's needed to sustain a grocery store, both the overhead and profit margins are drastically different.

"The relationship between food swamps and obesity was especially strong in areas where people lacked both their own cars and access to public transportation."

I've seen this same point tossed around in the food dessert articles, though I've yet to see them give examples. Where exactly are these large masses of people who live without any means of transportation?


Well the only point is they want to be handed ahitloads of money to achieve ill defined magical goals that are by definition squaring the circle
 
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