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2017-12-28 05:01:35 PM  
Just because U2 is girly doesn't make him wrong for calling today's music also girly.
 
2017-12-28 05:11:53 PM  
I know "angry" music certainly helped me to vent when I was in my teens and early 20s. That music needs to be written and performed by the young as well though. If you're still fueled by anger and angst when you're middle aged or older, you've done something horribly wrong in the path of life. Sorry, Bono, you're time has passed for creating that type of music for the young (as would my time if I were a musician). If you want to encourage it, Bono, help fund young artists.
 
2017-12-28 05:13:46 PM  
He still hasn't found what he's looking for.
 
2017-12-28 05:16:31 PM  

WorldCitizen: I know "angry" music certainly helped me to vent when I was in my teens and early 20s. That music needs to be written and performed by the young as well though. If you're still fueled by anger and angst when you're middle aged or older, you've done something horribly wrong in the path of life. Sorry, Bono, you're time has passed for creating that type of music for the young (as would my time if I were a musician). If you want to encourage it, Bono, help fund young artists.


Hey, avoiding taxes by investing in Lithuanian shopping centres is more his metier these days.
 
2017-12-28 05:18:57 PM  
Ugh, and "your time has passed." I also find as I grow older I need to proof read more closely. Seeing stupid typos I've made is about as angsty as I get these days though. Well, or when I read a Trump tweet.
 
2017-12-28 05:26:19 PM  
i wouldn't exactly classify early U2 as "rage-filled", either.     In fact most famous rock groups, i wouldn't give that designation.
 
2017-12-28 05:27:14 PM  

iron de havilland: He still hasn't found what he's looking for.


He needs to look where the streets have no name.
 
2017-12-28 05:28:47 PM  

eyeq360: iron de havilland: He still hasn't found what he's looking for.

He needs to look where the streets have no name.


They have some out in Joshua Tree.
 
2017-12-28 05:33:52 PM  
and then in the literal very next sentence, he says "there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good."

the SJWs are mad about nothing.  there's a whole context to the quote that folks are overlooking.  and then, as i said a few threads down, if in fact Bono hates how 'girliness' has infiltrated western pop music, thus making him a misogynist (eyeroll), then why on the new album, did they get all-girl trio Haim's authorizatin to not just only steal the guitar hook from Haim's "My Song 5", but got Haim to sing on the album ("Lights Of Home"?)  and further, have Lady GaGa sing backing vocals on "Summer Of Love"?

the notion that bono is a misogynist or whatever is just stupid.  you can hate him for a lot of shiat but not this.  jesus christ the JT17 tour alone, every night they played "Ultra Violet", dedicated to, as he'd say,
"the women who gave birth to us, each and every person here, the women we love, the women we create and raise, and the women who have changed the world and will continue to change the world!"  and the entire song would be a montage of famous women in history, usually tweaked to whatever city/country they were playing in.
 
2017-12-28 05:34:52 PM  

WorldCitizen: I know "angry" music certainly helped me to vent when I was in my teens and early 20s. That music needs to be written and performed by the young as well though. If you're still fueled by anger and angst when you're middle aged or older, you've done something horribly wrong in the path of life. Sorry, Bono, you're time has passed for creating that type of music for the young (as would my time if I were a musician). If you want to encourage it, Bono, help fund young artists.


I don't agree with that at all. I'm approaching middle age, well in a few years but that doesn't mean I can't pissed off at shiat. When you get complacent you might as well eat a bullet.

Most decent rock music is about pussy and booze anyway and that's universal.
 
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2017-12-28 05:35:17 PM  
He could maybe actually do something about that since he has a band and all...
 
2017-12-28 05:38:06 PM  

phlegmmo: eyeq360: iron de havilland: He still hasn't found what he's looking for.

He needs to look where the streets have no name.

They have some out in Joshua Tree.


But don't go there on Sunday, Bloody Sunday.
 
2017-12-28 05:38:21 PM  

phlegmmo: They have some out in Joshua Tree.


i was in JT a few months ago, and i was stoked to go find *the* Joshua Tree in the album.  it fell down in 2008 or so but it's still there.  we're driving through th epark, i google it, and it turns out almost all of the iconic photos of the JT album were shot in Death Valley, a good 3-4 hour drive away.  supwitdat?  they did take a photo in the town of Joshua Tree at a busted up hotel.  the hotel is still there but it looks way different.  i was bummed i didn't get to recreate any of the pix.....

and in Tucson, near by BIL's house, there's a street named, "Calle Sin Nombre".  for the spanish impaired, "Street Without a Name".  I always forget to pull over and get a pic of it.
 
2017-12-28 05:39:15 PM  

Mugato: WorldCitizen: I know "angry" music certainly helped me to vent when I was in my teens and early 20s. That music needs to be written and performed by the young as well though. If you're still fueled by anger and angst when you're middle aged or older, you've done something horribly wrong in the path of life. Sorry, Bono, you're time has passed for creating that type of music for the young (as would my time if I were a musician). If you want to encourage it, Bono, help fund young artists.

I don't agree with that at all. I'm approaching middle age, well in a few years but that doesn't mean I can't pissed off at shiat. When you get complacent you might as well eat a bullet.

Most decent rock music is about pussy and booze anyway and that's universal.


There's a difference between being complacent and being in better control of your emotions, having a lot more experience to put situations that come up in better perspective, and just being less hormonal. A lot of anger young guys experience is irrational and set off by some pretty petty/stupid situations. I hope that's not what you're still experiencing as you approach middle age.
 
2017-12-28 05:41:58 PM  
THE LACK OF ANGER IS MAKING ME ANGRY
 
2017-12-28 05:49:35 PM  
I still listen to punk even though punk is dad. I'm a middle age white dude with a kid and I increasingly feel I have little future or my future is shrinking. I don't have a great opinion on U2 but whatever.
 
2017-12-28 05:52:58 PM  

Mugato: Most decent rock music is about pussy and booze anyway and that's universal.


Objectification of women is misogyny.
 
2017-12-28 05:53:21 PM  

WorldCitizen: Mugato: WorldCitizen: I know "angry" music certainly helped me to vent when I was in my teens and early 20s. That music needs to be written and performed by the young as well though. If you're still fueled by anger and angst when you're middle aged or older, you've done something horribly wrong in the path of life. Sorry, Bono, you're time has passed for creating that type of music for the young (as would my time if I were a musician). If you want to encourage it, Bono, help fund young artists.

I don't agree with that at all. I'm approaching middle age, well in a few years but that doesn't mean I can't pissed off at shiat. When you get complacent you might as well eat a bullet.

Most decent rock music is about pussy and booze anyway and that's universal.

There's a difference between being complacent and being in better control of your emotions, having a lot more experience to put situations that come up in better perspective, and just being less hormonal. A lot of anger young guys experience is irrational and set off by some pretty petty/stupid situations. I hope that's not what you're still experiencing as you approach middle age.


Have you even noticed what's going on in America?
 
2017-12-28 05:55:30 PM  
U2 was the standard for "safe" rock music until Coldplay took the title.
 
2017-12-28 05:55:46 PM  

rickythepenguin: and then in the literal very next sentence, he says "there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good."


There's going to be a lot of people who interpret the phrase "young male anger" as basically the worst possible stereotype; some combination of dumb frat boy meets white nationalist meets "nice guy" misogynist who can't get laid. Since Bono was basically bemoaning the lack of outlets for a trigger phrase, then, welp...
 
2017-12-28 05:57:12 PM  

GoldSpider: U2 was the standard for "safe" rock music until Coldplay took the title.


Thanks, Eno
 
2017-12-28 05:58:53 PM  
Brian Eno-'2 Forms of Anger'
Youtube asmZB9vwz5Q
 
2017-12-28 05:59:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: and then in the literal very next sentence, he says "there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good."

the SJWs are mad about nothing.  there's a whole context to the quote that folks are overlooking.  and then, as i said a few threads down, if in fact Bono hates how 'girliness' has infiltrated western pop music, thus making him a misogynist (eyeroll), then why on the new album, did they get all-girl trio Haim's authorizatin to not just only steal the guitar hook from Haim's "My Song 5", but got Haim to sing on the album ("Lights Of Home"?)  and further, have Lady GaGa sing backing vocals on "Summer Of Love"?

the notion that bono is a misogynist or whatever is just stupid.  you can hate him for a lot of shiat but not this.  jesus christ the JT17 tour alone, every night they played "Ultra Violet", dedicated to, as he'd say,
"the women who gave birth to us, each and every person here, the women we love, the women we create and raise, and the women who have changed the world and will continue to change the world!"  and the entire song would be a montage of famous women in history, usually tweaked to whatever city/country they were playing in.


Pandering?
 
2017-12-28 06:00:19 PM  
Saying something is 'girly' and implying that is a negative thing is kinda misogynistic. Pink needs to kick his ass.
 
2017-12-28 06:03:58 PM  
How do you discover new music?
The band is always listening to music, and I have got my kids. Jordan is a music snob, an indie snob. Eve is hip-hop. Elijah is in a band, and he has got very strong feelings about music, but he doesn't make any distinction between, let's say, the Who and the Killers. Or, you know, Nirvana and Royal Blood. It is not generational for him. It is the sound and what he is experiencing. He believes that a rock & roll revolution is around the corner.

Do you believe it?
I think music has gotten very girly. And there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good. When I was 16, I had a lot of anger in me. You need to find a place for it and for guitars, whether it is with a drum machine - I don't care. The moment something becomes preserved, it is farking over. You might as well put it in formaldehyde. In the end, what is rock & roll? Rage is at the heart of it. Some great rock & roll tends to have that, which is why the Who were such a great band. Or Pearl Jam. Eddie has that rage.
 
2017-12-28 06:06:10 PM  

chitownmike: Pandering?


well, that's *not* the U2 *I* know, that I can tell you.....yeah of course.  hence my love/hate relationship with them.
 
2017-12-28 06:06:26 PM  
Some of us actually like girls.
 
2017-12-28 06:07:37 PM  
^Sounds more like guitar fetish
 
2017-12-28 06:11:42 PM  
Adrenalin - Senser - Asylum 1998
Youtube 6y9sn5dMSeQ
 
2017-12-28 06:26:31 PM  
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2017-12-28 06:36:23 PM  
Bullshiat.  There are a lot of great "angry" old bands going strong.  I give you... Killing Joke.

Killing Joke-Asteroid
Youtube g5ujsROMsAU
 
2017-12-28 06:44:20 PM  

rickythepenguin: and then in the literal very next sentence, he says "there are some good things about that, but hip-hop is the only place for young male anger at the moment - and that's not good."

the SJWs are mad about nothing.


DRINK!

there's a whole context to the quote that folks are overlooking.  and then, as i said a few threads down, if in fact Bono hates how 'girliness' has infiltrated western pop music, thus making him a misogynist (eyeroll), then why on the new album, did they get all-girl trio Haim's authorizatin to not just only steal the guitar hook from Haim's "My Song 5", but got Haim to sing on the album ("Lights Of Home"?)  and further, have Lady GaGa sing backing vocals on "Summer Of Love"?

the notion that bono is a misogynist or whatever is just stupid.  you can hate him for a lot of shiat but not this.  jesus christ the JT17 tour alone, every night they played "Ultra Violet", dedicated to, as he'd say,
"the women who gave birth to us, each and every person here, the women we love, the women we create and raise, and the women who have changed the world and will continue to change the world!"  and the entire song would be a montage of famous women in history, usually tweaked to whatever city/country they were playing in.


But every time he snaps his fingers, a young African child dies, and he keeps on doing it!

The man's a monster.
 
2017-12-28 06:44:21 PM  
When Lemmy died the testosterone level in rock music dropped by approximately 80%
 
2017-12-28 06:48:36 PM  
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2017-12-28 06:52:45 PM  
Substitute "girly" for: "shiatty" or "unimaginative" or "amateur" or "My ears are farking bleeding!"
 
2017-12-28 07:00:21 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Substitute "girly" for: "shiatty" or "unimaginative" or "amateur" or "My ears are farking bleeding!"


Why not substitute for love?
 
2017-12-28 07:02:09 PM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Mugato: Most decent rock music is about pussy and booze anyway and that's universal.

Objectification of women is misogyny.


Of course, dear.
 
2017-12-28 07:08:42 PM  

twistedknickers: Saying something is 'girly' and implying that is a negative thing is kinda misogynistic. Pink needs to kick his ass.


I don't think so. On the flip side,  one can certainly say a chivalrous man swooping in to save the day like say the 911 firemen, or the dude who threw himself on a grenade to save his platoon, or all the dudes on the titanic adhering to the "woman and children first" notion that being a man means putting your life on the line for the people who are of at a disadvantage in regard physical strength, reflex, and stature. By the way, I love pink but she's not girly. I bet she still throws like a girl though :)
 
2017-12-28 07:19:07 PM  

rickythepenguin: they did take a photo in the town of Joshua Tree at a busted up hotel.  the hotel is still there but it looks way different.  i was bummed i didn't get to recreate any of the pix.....
and in Tucson, near by BIL's house, there's a street named, "Calle Sin Nombre".  for the spanish impaired, "Street Without a Name".  I always forget to pull over and get a pic of it.


that's the hotel Graham Parsons died in. Room 8. Belushi & Ackroyd, among many others, would stay there too.

Tucsongs are by Linda Rondstadt, Giant Sand, Friends of Dean Martinez or the Machines Of Loving Grace http://tucson.com/entertainment/song​s-​that-have-the-word-tucson-in-them/arti​cle_c21cf938-801d-11e6-b260-d77f215789​27.html
 
2017-12-28 07:24:46 PM  
Quick everyone trying to crucify Bono for his poor word choice, go check out the lyrics to the latest hip hop song written by an angry young male and tell me that's not even more sexist.
 
2017-12-28 07:35:33 PM  

Kuta: Quick everyone trying to crucify Bono for his poor word choice, go check out the lyrics to the latest hip hop song written by an angry young male and tell me that's not even more sexist.


You're gonna use whataboutism in the Entertainment tab?!
 
2017-12-28 07:42:04 PM  
U talking U2 2 me?
 
2017-12-28 07:47:13 PM  

lindalouwho: Kuta: Quick everyone trying to crucify Bono for his poor word choice, go check out the lyrics to the latest hip hop song written by an angry young male and tell me that's not even more sexist.

You're gonna use whataboutism in the Entertainment tab?!


Sure. Why not?

Bono is a self-important prig these days and I never really cared for U2's music after War, but he is a good man who has done a lot of actual good in the world.

This sort of gotcha opinion shiat that passes for journalism may be what pushes me over to the anti political correctness side of the spectrum.

Jeez, think for yourselves and read the entire context. Go see what he said on Rolling Stone. He wants young males to pick up a guitar and lash out at the world's injustices through their creativity. He never said "Girls can't be rock stars" but if you want to be offended he said, "Girly" go right the fark ahead and think about how small-minded YOU are to let that comment get under your skin.
 
2017-12-28 07:49:54 PM  
We remember "Lemon",  Bono....we remember
 
2017-12-28 08:12:20 PM  
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FlyingJ: that's the hotel Graham Parsons died in. Room 8. Belushi & Ackroyd, among many others, would stay there too.


no....this is the pic i was referring to; the one pic U2 took near JTNP. the Harmony Motel still exists but Graham died at a different hotel about a mile down the road. the Harmony, as I said earlier, still exists but that sign isn't there. so i was kinda bummed.

on the way in to JTNP at the south (Chiriaco Summitt) entrance, I sheepishly asked the ranger (who looked about 15 years old), "uh....i imagine you get asked this all the time, buuuuuuut......where is the Gram Parsons site?" without missing a beat he said it was by the blah blah blah trailhead and was easy to find. said they have to blast off graffiti and shiat and clean the area up. i later researched it and it is in fact just off a trailhead. people leave bottles of Southern Comfort or Jack, whatever his favorite drink was.
 
2017-12-28 08:14:43 PM  

eyeq360: phlegmmo: eyeq360: iron de havilland: He still hasn't found what he's looking for.

He needs to look where the streets have no name.

They have some out in Joshua Tree.

But don't go there on Sunday, Bloody Sunday.


The weather is nice, if you so desire. On a beautiful day, there's nothing but blue sky; just watch out for the stray bullets, and don't get caught starting at the sun.
 
2017-12-28 08:18:13 PM  

meatofmystery: We remember "Lemon",  Bono....we remember


fantastic song!!!!

still kicking myself for passing on seeing the POPMART show at Sun Devil Stadium, on the pretext of "I don't liiiiiiiiiiiiike the 'POP' record...."  idiot.

heard a bootleg and i forget which song it was - "Justify My Love", "Get Into the Groove", "Papa Don't Preach" -- but Bono as he often does, worked in a verse or two of some Madonna song during the show.

/at LA1 in May he did a "LaLa Land" "City of Stars" during "Beautiful Day", which I didn't recognize since that movei sucks ass, but my wife completely pantymelted during.
//at PHX in September, he did Bowie's "Starman" after between song chatter about - with Cardinals' Stadium roof being open - "I can see the stars tonight!  beaufitul Arizona skies!"
 
2017-12-28 08:20:20 PM  

Kuta: lindalouwho: Kuta: Quick everyone trying to crucify Bono for his poor word choice, go check out the lyrics to the latest hip hop song written by an angry young male and tell me that's not even more sexist.

You're gonna use whataboutism in the Entertainment tab?!

Sure. Why not?

Bono is a self-important prig these days and I never really cared for U2's music after War, but he is a good man who has done a lot of actual good in the world.

This sort of gotcha opinion shiat that passes for journalism may be what pushes me over to the anti political correctness side of the spectrum.

Jeez, think for yourselves and read the entire context. Go see what he said on Rolling Stone. He wants young males to pick up a guitar and lash out at the world's injustices through their creativity. He never said "Girls can't be rock stars" but if you want to be offended he said, "Girly" go right the fark ahead and think about how small-minded YOU are to let that comment get under your skin.


Bless your heart.

You have your opinion, others have their's.
 
2017-12-28 08:30:29 PM  
The very notion of what music 'is' is different.   Kids today, do not care about musicianship.    They do not care if someone is skilled on a particular instrument, or if they can sing (auto-tune, anyone)?    

Music of the day can be composed by someone in a basement, pressing buttons.   And because the artform is so easily created, these modern-day musicians are not even motivated or obligated to study past musical genres.    Today's music is its own beast, for better or worse.  You can't really find remnants of other styles of music from the past, within it.....     To me, something has gotten lost, because the music i liked, was almost a tapestry that you could trace what influenced it, from decades or even centuries ago.

I'm not judging... If the kids like it, that is the only thing that matters..... I don't. I'll continue with what i grew up with, just like our parents probably didn't like our stuff for other reasons.
 
2017-12-28 08:59:11 PM  

lindalouwho: Kuta: lindalouwho: Kuta: Quick everyone trying to crucify Bono for his poor word choice, go check out the lyrics to the latest hip hop song written by an angry young male and tell me that's not even more sexist.

You're gonna use whataboutism in the Entertainment tab?!

Sure. Why not?

Bono is a self-important prig these days and I never really cared for U2's music after War, but he is a good man who has done a lot of actual good in the world.

This sort of gotcha opinion shiat that passes for journalism may be what pushes me over to the anti political correctness side of the spectrum.

Jeez, think for yourselves and read the entire context. Go see what he said on Rolling Stone. He wants young males to pick up a guitar and lash out at the world's injustices through their creativity. He never said "Girls can't be rock stars" but if you want to be offended he said, "Girly" go right the fark ahead and think about how small-minded YOU are to let that comment get under your skin.

Bless your heart.

You have your opinion, others have their's.


And their's are wrong.

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