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2017-12-27 10:36:50 AM  
Okay, for starters, I don't make resolutions because I know I won't keep them, and I also would never write a Twilight-Star Trek crossover slash fic because obviously Star Wars is a better franchise for that kind of work.  Finally: in 2018 I resolve to stop making stupid posts like this one.  Now that's meta!

Anyway, progress: I've avoided the worst of the family/holidays distractions (being on the opposite coast has benefits) and have settled in for a winter writing break.  About 6K words so far, and I have until next Tuesday to keep going.  I've been slowed down slightly, trying to work around details of police procedure or policy that I know literally nothing about.  If anyone has insider knowledge of how police investigation case files are stored on a network, lemme know.

On the bright side, Detective Michaelson's journey to the dark side has begun.  It's kind of fun to write about someone going murderously insane, although there's a danger here that this could slip into dark comedy when I'm going for psychological horror.

How's everyone else's progress, uh, progressing?
 
2017-12-27 10:53:55 AM  
Only resolution I'm making is cranking out 500 words a weekday, which includes outlines, blog entries etc. Also, going to convert a couple of my RPG campaign ideas into fiction.

No progress over the course of December, unfortunately. Probably going to hit up some Flash Fiction ideas just to get my hand back in before 2018.
 
2017-12-27 11:00:02 AM  
Well, the month of December was a milestone for me.  On December 19 I did my first public reading of my fiction ever.  It worked out okay, I was wondering if I could write well and apparently I can.  I got a ten-minute slot at a monthly gathering of writers.  It went well and I am happy.  I will write more in the future now that I know I can do it and that it doesn't suck.
 
2017-12-27 11:23:40 AM  
I just reread my WIP horror novel HELL TIME. I haven't touched it since May. It's better than I thought it would be. I need to finish that book in 2018.

I didn't accomplish as much as I had hoped in 2017. I aim to make 2018 a better year. I'll finish HELL TIME, publish my erotic fairy tales collection, attempt to find an agent for my thriller novel SECRETS AND LIES, find a home for my erotic romance FULL MOON FEVER, and submit to more short story calls. That's more than enough to keep me occupied for a year.
 
2017-12-27 11:29:21 AM  
I came to a screeching halt during December due to holiday crap, house projects that needed completion, work (the day job) projects that ran long and just generally allowing myself to get distracted.  I had a decent pace going in November so I am going to try and resurrect that and carry it through the year.
 
2017-12-27 11:40:38 AM  
I have a friend that has white boards all over her bathroom, including the shower/tub.  She writes her notes, her blog, her poems on these white boards.   I think I may try a version of that.  But only for my poetry.  BTW she recently sold two plays - so maybe it works.
 
2017-12-27 11:42:04 AM  
I have no time to do trivial things like post in Fark threads becasue I am WRITING!!!! oh boy.
 
2017-12-27 12:08:22 PM  
 
2017-12-27 12:19:52 PM  
Redid the covers of my first 3 books, shared them on my FB page, and got the expected response from readers.

"Who cares? When's the next book coming out?"
 
2017-12-27 12:46:53 PM  
NaNoWriMo is over Subby, moose out front shoulda told ya.
 
2017-12-27 12:54:38 PM  
Still being a lazy fark. Got two serial blog stories that COULD be novels if I would sit down and sketch outlines and do the rewrites. One is a police procedural, the other a non-typical romance type story.

Which one sounds better?
 
2017-12-27 01:06:24 PM  
What's the fastest feasible turnaround time for a novel?  Granted a tabletop RPG's going to work out a bit differently but I have a couple weeks of PTO coming up and I intend to make the most of it.
 
2017-12-27 01:11:26 PM  

Another Government Employee: One is a police procedural, the other a non-typical romance type story. Which one sounds better?

We're gonna need more than that.  This is about as descriptive as, "A tree fell down completely blocking my route to Restaurant Avenue so I have to cook dinner tonight.  I can either cook a burger or a thai curry.  Which one sounds better?"  Well, maybe you cook a mean burger, or maybe your last burger screamed "Kanedaaa" before a military satellite vaporized it.  Maybe your thai curry is award-winning or maybe it turned the last company potluck into a Superfund site.

Though if you're writing romance you might want to stay typical.  Can't go wrong if the main love interest is a billionaire asshole with a big penis.
 
2017-12-27 01:16:31 PM  

dragonchild: What's the fastest feasible turnaround time for a novel?  Granted a tabletop RPG's going to work out a bit differently but I have a couple weeks of PTO coming up and I intend to make the most of it.


I could be remembering my details wrong, but I think Kesey said he wrote One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest in three days while on Amphetamines.

That's probably the low end of the scale.

If you figure a novel is 50,000 words, figure how much you write per day gazinta 50K.
 
2017-12-27 01:25:53 PM  

Sailing Starflower: I think Kesey said he wrote One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest in three days while on Amphetamines.

That. . . makes a lot of sense.
 
2017-12-27 01:28:28 PM  
New Year's resolutions Which can be kept:
1- Resolve to make no New Year's resolutions

So far, I'm 24 years resolution-free!
 
2017-12-27 01:32:01 PM  

Wenchmaster: New Year's resolutions Which can be kept:
1- Resolve to make no New Year's resolutions

So far, I'm 24 years resolution-free!

I read this more as you've completely blown your one resolution, 24 years straight.
 
2017-12-27 01:35:20 PM  

Sailing Starflower: If you figure a novel is 50,000 words, figure how much you write per day gazinta 50K.


Question: Is 50K enough for a novel? I'd sort of assumed a minimum of 100k.

Question 2: What's a gazinta, how much does one weigh, and can I get one color-coordinated with gingham couch cushions? Asking for a friend. You wouldn't know her. She's from Canada. A little town near Winnipeg called Dneirflrig Lacihtym. Lovely place.
 
2017-12-27 01:48:04 PM  

dragonchild: I read this more as you've completely blown your one resolution, 24 years straight.


I can see how it could be so construed, but my intended meaning is, I have successfully kept my last New Year's resolution for 24 years.

It would have been a lot longer, but I was in the Navy 24 years ago, and- deep in my cups- I foolishly resolved not to drink anymore. Once I was sober enough to realize the enormity of my error, I also realized I had not resolved to drink any less, and spent a considerable part of that year maintaining my intake quantity to match that of New Year's Day. I gave up on maintaining that resolution when the ship made a port visit in Rhodes.
 
2017-12-27 01:50:38 PM  

dragonchild: What's the fastest feasible turnaround time for a novel?  Granted a tabletop RPG's going to work out a bit differently but I have a couple weeks of PTO coming up and I intend to make the most of it.


Stephen King says he wrote The Running Man in about a week, although it was probably a drug-fueled frenzy of typing.  Also it ended up spawning that godawful movie, so you have been warned.

I wrote my first novel in three months, but I was unemployed and had nothing else to do with my life at the time.  That one also ended up being eye-stabbingly bad, so take that as a warning as well.

I've been working my current novel for about two years, mostly only writing on Christmas break.  Previous one took about a year IIRC.  Working for a living is bad for productivity.
 
2017-12-27 01:55:54 PM  

Wenchmaster: Question: Is 50K enough for a novel? I'd sort of assumed a minimum of 100k.


It depends on who you ask.  Wikipedia calls anything over 40K a novel.  Other sources say 50K, 60-80K, etc.  Basically, for almost any value N of word count you can find a source on Google that says it's a novel.

It's my understanding that most agents and publishers expect a novel to be 80-100K, and being 100K or longer is a sign that it should be trimmed.  If you're going with self-publishing, though, that probably matters less as long as you give your readers value for their money, however that's defined.
 
2017-12-27 02:05:49 PM  

Wenchmaster: What's a gazinta


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2017-12-27 02:26:20 PM  
I keep rewriting the start of my novel instead of writing the rest of the thing. My writers' group keeps telling me either that "you need more characterization" or "this characterization passage doesn't advance the plot". One person actually wrote both on the same page and I'm not actually sure how I would make him happy if I even wanted to.

Anyone get any writing-related Xmas gifts? My husband gave me a book of writing prompts, my parents gave me a leather-bound journal, and my in-laws gave me a fancy pen.
 
2017-12-27 02:31:06 PM  

toraque: It depends on who you ask. Wikipedia calls anything over 40K a novel. Other sources say 50K, 60-80K, etc. Basically, for almost any value N of word count you can find a source on Google that says it's a novel.

Here's where a tabletop RPG can benefit from its own context.  Over the last few months real life has given me spare time in little chunks that are unsuitable for the current phase of my project; no way anyone remembers but my last notable update was that I've reached the combat action list.  Well, I'm still there.
The painful pickle with producing pages of this particularly pedantic prose is that -- gamers here need no explanation -- it's the core that combines all the other parts.  It's the straw that stirs the drink, the part with the most impact on gameplay, and in absolutely no coincidence whatsoever, the part most heavily targeted by players for abuse.  So this is comparable to writing banking legislation and actually trying to do a good job (hey, stop laughing), loophole-free and easy to understand.  I can't just tippety-tap for 20-30 minutes, go do some chores and then come back to it.  I need hours of uninterrupted focus. . . you know, the one thing you don't get if you have family and a real job.

Point is, I don't need to get to 100k or even 50k in two weeks, per se, though this part is typically the length of a novella.  If I can clear that hurdle, though, the rest becomes much easier.  Things like character options, equipment tables and such are much easier to hammer out in small doses because they're incremental additions.  Yeah, every game needs stats for the knife and club and whatever ranged weapon defines the era, but I can work out the details for that Zonker-P 3000 or +2 backscratcher on my lunch break.
 
2017-12-27 02:51:28 PM  

toraque: It depends on who you ask.  Wikipedia calls anything over 40K a novel.  Other sources say 50K, 60-80K, etc.  Basically, for almost any value N of word count you can find a source on Google that says it's a novel.

It's my understanding that most agents and publishers expect a novel to be 80-100K, and being 100K or longer is a sign that it should be trimmed.  If you're going with self-publishing, though, that probably matters less as long as you give your readers value for their money, however that's defined.


Good to know, thanks.

Writing accomplishments: Now that I managed to get the Charlie Royce noir fiction story out of my system (30K words of distraction, essentially), I've started back in on Depths of Potential. I've trimmed a bit of description that seemed forced and unnecessary in several places (thanks to the Farker who suggested that on one of these threads), and re-written the climactic magical battle scene again (it all seems so brilliant in my head, but the cranium-to-keyboard filtration process keeps breaking down).

For some of the other works-in-progress, I have discovered to my horror a couple of my story concepts are similar to movies which came out over the past decade. I'd never seen those movies before this week (I don't go to the movies except at gunpoint), but the similarities are disturbing. One story only has about 12K words done, but Inferno meets Wikipedia's definition for a novel.

Ah, well. Back to the salt mines.
 
2017-12-27 03:30:35 PM  
I discovered that I'm not a novelist after I was about 50 pages into a history-based mystery which followed (imagined) characters from the aftermath of a 1920 lynching through to a re-union  of some of them at the 1948 Democratic Convention in Philadelphia.

Howard Hawks said a good movie had 7 good scenes and no bad scenes. I had 1 good scene and 48 pages of inertia on stilts.

What won't happen? My late life career as a  writer.
 
2017-12-27 04:01:58 PM  
I want to thank all the Farkers here for their advice about self-publishing.

Several people here, and other self-publishing bloggers, stressed the importance of social media to promote new books, especially in advance. For several years, many non-writers have told me I need to write a blog and update it every day so I get more clicks and followers. I always said, "But I already don't have enough time for my real writing, and I would just be writing about my writing, instead of finishing my writing." I was about 90% finished with my first True Crime novel, but after getting good advice from Farkers here who actually know what they are talking about, I took a couple days off to start my Writer's Blog.

As I started thinking about things to blog about, I realized that I had three articles I had written for North Bay Bohemian, Sonoma County's free weekly magazine, about sci-fi writers who had lived there, like Jack London, Frank Herbert, and Philip K Dick. I realized I could slap together an ebook quickly, since I only had to write an intro and afterword, and do the layout and formatting. That way, when my "real" book was finished, there would already be another book on my bookshelf. It would also be good practice, with a so-what book, to work out details for publishing my book that took years of blood, sweat, and toil to complete.

I released my ebook on the 7th with no promotion, and a rather basic cover. I figured I could always change it later. I was surprised to learn that as an unknown writer I got almost 1200 page views the first day it was released on Smashwords. Even though only 6 of those people ended up downloading it, I though that was a very valuable information. I just needed to make my next page "stickier."
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Something super, super cool happened:

Two weeks after I released my ebook, it had just 30 downloads. Then I got an odd Friend Request on Facebook, from somebody with no friends in common. Since I write freelance for a smalltown newspaper, I sometimes get Friends Requests after an article gets posted to Facebook, but they usually have friends in common. But this name was very unusual, but sounded familiar, so I clicked on the profile.

It was Michael Moorcock, creator of anti-hero Elric of Melniboné, going under the name of another of his fictional characters. (Moorcock coined the term "Sword-and-Sorcery," and Fritz Leiber described London's "The Star Rover" as sword-and-sorcery without the sorcery.) I had "interviewed" Moorcock by email for my article about Jack London's dystopian novel "The Iron Heel," and he said some great stuff for my article. It was about two years ago that I interviewed Moorcock, and I went through three major, major re-writes since then.

As I figure it, one of those 30 people who downloaded my book was affiliated with Michael Moorcock, saw his interview in my ebook, and contacted him. I'm guessing that Moorcock actually read my article, then looked me up on Facebook to send a Friends Request. I don't think he would try Friending me just because somebody told him I had quoted him in an article.

So check out the Free eBook that Michael Moorcock (apparently) enjoyed, and that one guy on Yelp said was the worst meatball sandwich he ever ate in his life.

And thanks to all the Farkers whose good, helpful advice got me to actually finish that ebook he read.

What an Elric of Melniboné might look like:
Blue Oyster Cult - Black Blade
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2017-12-27 04:06:54 PM  
Hit an impasse on my novel.  May need to reread things to figure out my next move.  Or just try to write my way through it.
 
2017-12-27 04:23:21 PM  

toraque: Okay, for starters, I don't make resolutions because I know I won't keep them, and I also would never write a Twilight-Star Trek crossover slash fic because obviously Star Wars is a better franchise for that kind of work.  Finally: in 2018 I resolve to stop making stupid posts like this one.  Now that's meta!

Anyway, progress: I've avoided the worst of the family/holidays distractions (being on the opposite coast has benefits) and have settled in for a winter writing break.  About 6K words so far, and I have until next Tuesday to keep going.  I've been slowed down slightly, trying to work around details of police procedure or policy that I know literally nothing about.  If anyone has insider knowledge of how police investigation case files are stored on a network, lemme know.

On the bright side, Detective Michaelson's journey to the dark side has begun.  It's kind of fun to write about someone going murderously insane, although there's a danger here that this could slip into dark comedy when I'm going for psychological horror.

How's everyone else's progress, uh, progressing?


So... Do the Klingons sparkle in sunlight?

My own writing has succumbed to a busier work and busier holiday than I had expected. But I'm now through the worst and looking to finish a short story this week and send it off for rejection first thing in the new year.
 
2017-12-27 04:24:50 PM  

jwa007: Well, the month of December was a milestone for me.  On December 19 I did my first public reading of my fiction ever.  It worked out okay, I was wondering if I could write well and apparently I can.  I got a ten-minute slot at a monthly gathering of writers.  It went well and I am happy.  I will write more in the future now that I know I can do it and that it doesn't suck.


That's awesome! Good on you for taking the leap.
 
2017-12-27 04:26:45 PM  

ms_lara_croft: I just reread my WIP horror novel HELL TIME. I haven't touched it since May. It's better than I thought it would be. I need to finish that book in 2018.

I didn't accomplish as much as I had hoped in 2017. I aim to make 2018 a better year. I'll finish HELL TIME, publish my erotic fairy tales collection, attempt to find an agent for my thriller novel SECRETS AND LIES, find a home for my erotic romance FULL MOON FEVER, and submit to more short story calls. That's more than enough to keep me occupied for a year.


It's always nice when you let a story rest and then come back to find it better than you remembered.

Best of luck with your 2018 submissions!
 
2017-12-27 04:27:45 PM  

Nogrhi: I came to a screeching halt during December due to holiday crap, house projects that needed completion, work (the day job) projects that ran long and just generally allowing myself to get distracted.  I had a decent pace going in November so I am going to try and resurrect that and carry it through the year.


That sounds all too familiar. I'll be fighting the same fight.
 
2017-12-27 04:28:30 PM  

riverwalk barfly: I have a friend that has white boards all over her bathroom, including the shower/tub.  She writes her notes, her blog, her poems on these white boards.   I think I may try a version of that.  But only for my poetry.  BTW she recently sold two plays - so maybe it works.


That's a pretty cool idea. I might have to give something like that a try.
 
2017-12-27 04:30:40 PM  

Another Government Employee: Still being a lazy fark. Got two serial blog stories that COULD be novels if I would sit down and sketch outlines and do the rewrites. One is a police procedural, the other a non-typical romance type story.

Which one sounds better?


Both? If you can eventually tie them together it could make for an interesting mashup.
 
2017-12-27 04:36:23 PM  

D_PaulAngel: ms_lara_croft: I just reread my WIP horror novel HELL TIME. I haven't touched it since May. It's better than I thought it would be. I need to finish that book in 2018.

I didn't accomplish as much as I had hoped in 2017. I aim to make 2018 a better year. I'll finish HELL TIME, publish my erotic fairy tales collection, attempt to find an agent for my thriller novel SECRETS AND LIES, find a home for my erotic romance FULL MOON FEVER, and submit to more short story calls. That's more than enough to keep me occupied for a year.

It's always nice when you let a story rest and then come back to find it better than you remembered.

Best of luck with your 2018 submissions!


Thank you! I'm actually excited to work on it now. I had burned out by late spring. Now I need to think about where it goes next and start writing.
 
2017-12-27 04:39:41 PM  

dragonchild: What's the fastest feasible turnaround time for a novel?  Granted a tabletop RPG's going to work out a bit differently but I have a couple weeks of PTO coming up and I intend to make the most of it.


Personally I max out at about 4,000 words a day, and that's writing a lot of crap in at least two, if not three sessions. So about 25 days for 100,000 words, maybe 20 if you can make it to 5,000 a day. Add around 7-10 days for editing, perhaps up to a couple weeks and I think 5-6 weeks would be doable, but likely draining.
 
2017-12-27 04:45:52 PM  
Short story collection coming along nicely. Hope to have it done and ready to edit by the end of January, with two more collections in the hopper. It's been a good month. Glad to hear others are making some progress!
 
2017-12-27 05:36:54 PM  
Any ideas about the theme of next year's Fark Anthology?

For the last two years I wanted to submit something, but I was up to my ass in alligators trying to drain the swamp. Maybe if I have 5 or 6 months head start, I might be able to squeeze something out.
 
2017-12-27 05:51:34 PM  
I'm going to join a local writer's group so we'll see...
 
2017-12-27 06:46:30 PM  

Spice Must Flow: Any ideas about the theme of next year's Fark Anthology?

For the last two years I wanted to submit something, but I was up to my ass in alligators trying to drain the swamp. Maybe if I have 5 or 6 months head start, I might be able to squeeze something out.


There's really no unifying theme, it's more about sending in a good story that fits into one of the "tabs," like horror, sci-fi, humor or Twilight slash mashups. (Well, maybe not that last one, but I wonder if a fanfic tab would be interesting?)

So while we've had clever names, they don't actually create a shared theme. And, speaking of which, I just thought of "His Fark Materials"
 
2017-12-27 07:47:27 PM  

D_PaulAngel: I just thought of "His Fark Materials"


Sounds dirty... and appropriate.
 
2017-12-27 08:42:10 PM  

dragonchild: Another Government Employee: One is a police procedural, the other a non-typical romance type story. Which one sounds better?
We're gonna need more than that.  This is about as descriptive as, "A tree fell down completely blocking my route to Restaurant Avenue so I have to cook dinner tonight.  I can either cook a burger or a thai curry.  Which one sounds better?"  Well, maybe you cook a mean burger, or maybe your last burger screamed "Kanedaaa" before a military satellite vaporized it.  Maybe your thai curry is award-winning or maybe it turned the last company potluck into a Superfund site.

Though if you're writing romance you might want to stay typical.  Can't go wrong if the main love interest is a billionaire asshole with a big penis.


The Procedural sounds like it is ripped from the headlines, but I've been toying with it for six or seven years. A young man, institutionalized since he killed his mother and cousin at age 10, is released at age 25 with revenge on his mind. The targets are the detectives who worked the original case.

The romance is a sort-of May-December type where the man is a widower and the woman is a former prostitute dying of cancer.
 
2017-12-28 12:57:12 AM  
I've got another year of my creative writing MFA.  I finished my 2018 print calendar (Jaguar Nights) after many formatting fights with Create Space.  I was just getting into the Kindle version when I was in a car accident.  I've been in near constant pain since then (week before Thanksgiving).  Guy hit me going 30-40 mph when I was stopped at a red light.  (Yes I haz lawyer.) But pain saps creativity unfortunately.

Recently edited a fun anthology called Protectors of the Veil, put out by the HP Lovecraft Lunatic Asylum, and I'm now editing their next book.  Stories of mine are in both.  On Amazon in print & Kindle.
 
2017-12-28 06:37:04 AM  

Another Government Employee: The Procedural sounds like it is ripped from the headlines, but I've been toying with it for six or seven years. A young man, institutionalized since he killed his mother and cousin at age 10, is released at age 25 with revenge on his mind. The targets are the detectives who worked the original case.
The romance is a sort-of May-December type where the man is a widower and the woman is a former prostitute dying of cancer.

Setting aside quality, I don't think you have an audience for the second one.
 
2017-12-28 07:14:28 AM  

D_PaulAngel: It's always nice when you let a story rest and then come back to find it better than you remembered.

That happens?
 
2017-12-28 03:32:45 PM  

toraque: Okay, for starters, I don't make resolutions because I know I won't keep them, and I also would never write a Twilight-Star Trek crossover slash fic because obviously Star Wars is a better franchise for that kind of work.  Finally: in 2018 I resolve to stop making stupid posts like this one.  Now that's meta!

Anyway, progress: I've avoided the worst of the family/holidays distractions (being on the opposite coast has benefits) and have settled in for a winter writing break.  About 6K words so far, and I have until next Tuesday to keep going.  I've been slowed down slightly, trying to work around details of police procedure or policy that I know literally nothing about.  If anyone has insider knowledge of how police investigation case files are stored on a network, lemme know.

On the bright side, Detective Michaelson's journey to the dark side has begun.  It's kind of fun to write about someone going murderously insane, although there's a danger here that this could slip into dark comedy when I'm going for psychological horror.

How's everyone else's progress, uh, progressing?


Amazon has books devoted to police procedure. Or interview a cop.
 
2017-12-28 03:48:25 PM  

dragonchild: D_PaulAngel: It's always nice when you let a story rest and then come back to find it better than you remembered.
That happens?


LOL, yes, yes it does. Not always, but it's a rather nice treat when it does.
 
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