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(Washington Post)   Obviously outdoing Iran's presentation of a captured US drone, Nikki Haley displays what could be a captured Iranian missile used in Yemen   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-12-15 03:02:17 AM  
Meanwhile, CAR displays an actual U.S. anti-tank missile owned by ISIS.

It's kinda hard to use the "hey, they got a missile from Iran, so we should be able to bomb Iran" line when other countries are happy to point out that ISIS has a shiatload of our own weapons.
 
2017-12-15 03:46:22 AM  
Suck Saudi dick harder.
 
2017-12-15 05:44:38 AM  

fusillade762: Suck Saudi dick harder.


Why not, Donny has already cupped the balls. I mean orb....
 
2017-12-15 06:04:05 AM  
So ? They gonna display all the US ordinance being dropped on the Yemenis by the Saudis ?
 
2017-12-15 06:05:15 AM  
Nikki Hailey sounds like the name for a fisting video artist.
 
2017-12-15 06:06:03 AM  
Thats nice.

Anyone want to tell us wtf happened in Niger yet?
 
2017-12-15 06:09:27 AM  
Well, everyone calls Kim Jong-Un a madman for developing one of something the US has 12,000 of, and is the only country to have ever used.  I'm not saying he isn't, but it'd be nice if the criticism wasn't so completely self-serving.

Do as we say, and not as we do...
 
2017-12-15 06:57:20 AM  
This is the one they want before the next election. The same people who told you Iraq would be a cakewalk will be back. They'll get their war. You won't be able to stop them.
 
2017-12-15 07:25:08 AM  
So we have decided to attack Iran then? I was wondering if it would be them or N Korea.  Guess someone decided that seeing Seoul pulverized on live tv may not sit well with the plebs.

So its back to bombing brown people in the sandbox.  Keep with the classics I guess.
 
2017-12-15 07:55:39 AM  
It's not bad when we do it right guys?
 
2017-12-15 08:00:15 AM  
Which flag does Nikki stand for? They are so farking similar it's not easy to tell.

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2017-12-15 08:20:14 AM  
Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.
 
2017-12-15 08:43:39 AM  

jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.


Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?
 
2017-12-15 08:56:31 AM  
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2017-12-15 09:32:20 AM  

Great_Milenko: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?


The US has been winning the Iraq War for 15 years now. You don't like winning?
 
2017-12-15 09:49:23 AM  
 You can't blame the gross old  pedophile party.  They know that no matter what awful shiat they do; if they start a war then everyone must support them or be accused of being against the troops.
 
2017-12-15 09:52:27 AM  
So tired of all of this.  It is wrong for Iran to send weapons to Yemeni rebels but OK for the US to arm the Syrian opposition.  And numerous other examples.  Just be honest.  Our policy is whatever we deem to be acceptable is good and right and whatever we deem to be unacceptable is bad and wrong.
 
2017-12-15 10:03:52 AM  

runwiz: So tired of all of this.  It is wrong for Iran to send weapons to Yemeni rebels but OK for the US to arm the Syrian opposition.  And numerous other examples.  Just be honest.  Our policy is whatever we deem to be acceptable is good and right and whatever we deem to be unacceptable is bad and wrong.


Bingo. We lost the ability to dictate the contour map that describes moral high ground when we basically lied to the world in order to justify bombing countries that had nothing to do with a terrorist attack on American soil, even as we still partner with countries that did.

We keep lying to the world, even as we ignore international law, treaties, and our own basic principles, and we're surprised that the rest of the world now views us as warmongering bullshiat artists. Baffling.
 
2017-12-15 10:05:23 AM  
Nimrata?
 
2017-12-15 10:23:38 AM  
Still beating those axis-of-evil war drums I see.
 
2017-12-15 10:25:54 AM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, CAR displays an actual U.S. anti-tank missile owned by ISIS.

It's kinda hard to use the "hey, they got a missile from Iran, so we should be able to bomb Iran" line when other countries are happy to point out that ISIS has a shiatload of our own weapons.


Why is the US buying Russian weapons?
 
2017-12-15 10:32:11 AM  

Great_Milenko: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?


A shiatload of military spending and a lot of dead soldiers.

The problem here is, unlike Iraq, Iran is no pushover and are masters of asymmetrical warfare.  In reality, we'd probably get our asses soundly kicked if we're dumb enough to do it.

What am I saying?  Look at who is leading the country...of course we're dumb enough!
 
2017-12-15 10:49:40 AM  

jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.


The US pop has zero interest in a war with Iran, and Donnie's approval rating is already in the 30s. Then again, the Republicans are already pretty much destroying themselves nationally through their support for him and his agenda, so maybe they'll make themselves even more unpopular by pushing for this war, too.
 
2017-12-15 11:06:55 AM  

Heron: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

The US pop has zero interest in a war with Iran, and Donnie's approval rating is already in the 30s. Then again, the Republicans are already pretty much destroying themselves nationally through their support for him and his agenda, so maybe they'll make themselves even more unpopular by pushing for this war, too.


One of the biggest reasons that the Republicans are chomping at the bit for war with Iran is that it makes them money. The other being that Saudi Arabia and Israel want Iran out of the picture.  They want to sit back while the US gets it ass handed to them by throwing rocks at the hornet's nest.
 
2017-12-15 11:16:05 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Great_Milenko: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?

A shiatload of military spending and a lot of dead soldiers.

The problem here is, unlike Iraq, Iran is no pushover and are masters of asymmetrical warfare.  In reality, we'd probably get our asses soundly kicked if we're dumb enough to do it.

What am I saying?  Look at who is leading the country...of course we're dumb enough!


Bonus: since we have troops in the region already, we'll save a little on the cost of deployment.
 
2017-12-15 11:45:55 AM  

jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.


And boots on the ground in Iran is an even worse idea than Iraq. Much worse.
Notice the difference in size and terrain

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2017-12-15 01:42:51 PM  

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I remember that.
Undercover cops bought a vial of crack right across the street from the White House!
But at least it wasn't the Devil's Lettuce!
 
2017-12-15 01:52:40 PM  
The biggest scandal of the captured drone?  A functional facsimile of a Predator drone can be built for $20k using parts sourced from ali express.  Yet we pay millions for the brand.
 
2017-12-15 02:10:47 PM  
Aren't the Houthis the majority of the Yemenese population? Aren't they being starved out by the KSA? Why exactly are we trying to bomb the shiat out of them for the KSA because the KSA sucks at warfare?
 
2017-12-15 02:17:11 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Great_Milenko: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?

A shiatload of military spending and a lot of dead soldiers.

The problem here is, unlike Iraq, Iran is no pushover and are masters of asymmetrical warfare.  In reality, we'd probably get our asses soundly kicked if we're dumb enough to do it.

What am I saying?  Look at who is leading the country...of course we're dumb enough!


Realistically invading Iran would be a year-long operation and require at least 1 million men on the ground. Currently we don't have the logistics, money or manpower to do that, and that's if everything goes perfectly.
 
2017-12-15 03:09:07 PM  

AdamK: AurizenDarkstar: Great_Milenko: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

Other than thousands of dead American soldiers, what, exactly, does a war with Iran achieve?

A shiatload of military spending and a lot of dead soldiers.

The problem here is, unlike Iraq, Iran is no pushover and are masters of asymmetrical warfare.  In reality, we'd probably get our asses soundly kicked if we're dumb enough to do it.

What am I saying?  Look at who is leading the country...of course we're dumb enough!

Realistically invading Iran would be a year-long operation and require at least 1 million men on the ground. Currently we don't have the logistics, money or manpower to do that, and that's if everything goes perfectly.


Tehran alone is bigger than Los Angeles, and has more Shi'ites than the entire country of Iraq.

Iran sent wave after wave of 12 year old kids at Iraq during that war.  They will not give up, and there will be no infighting in a country where 95% of the population is Shi'ite Twelvers.  Or as they were called during the Crusades, assassins.

Excluding nukes, we'd have an easier time defeating Russia.  Hell, we'd probably have an easier time defeating China.  The only people there who support us are the Kurds, and they're so far up North that it's doubtful that they'd get involved.  The only reason that we could take Iraq was because of millions of Iraqi Sunnis supporting us and a majority of Shi'ites there saying "meh".   For Iran, you have to assume every single person there is trying to kill you, including the children.  We could send a division to take a town, and as soon as they left it would be like they'd never been there.

This is not Iraq.  This isn't even oversized Iraq.  This is Vietnam, if the entire country had been North Vietnam.   We sent almost 3 million troops to Vietnam, and it wasn't enough.  We could send every single soldier, Nation Guardsman and Reserve to Iran and it would hardly make a dent.

Mattis and company know this.  They want the military to become the force in the U.S.  We'd have to have a draft, we'd have to spend all our money supporting the military and issue war bonds to get more, and even then it would be a hard slog taking a decade or more.

The only country that might be tougher than Iran to take is Pakistan, and even there a good portion of the population would support us.  Even the people in Iran who like the West and the United States would fight against us, just as the people who don't like Trump would fight against an invasion of our country.

Your description doesn't convey just how much it would require to take and hold Iran.  It wouldn't be a swamp, it would be a giant sinkhole where no matter how much money and men they threw into it would never fill.
 
2017-12-15 03:16:51 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Rapmaster2000: This is the one they want before the next election. The same people who told you Iraq would be a cakewalk will be back. They'll get their war. You won't be able to stop them.

So why even bother voting, Bros?


You're beginning to irritate me.

To Rapmaster:  Won't happen.  The original plan was for Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and us to get together to defeat Iran, but the Senate Republicans won't go for it.  They may be evil, but they aren't stupid, and the Iranians have shown that they won't take the bait.
 
2017-12-15 03:35:30 PM  

FormlessOne: Meanwhile, CAR displays an actual U.S. anti-tank missile owned by ISIS.

It's kinda hard to use the "hey, they got a missile from Iran, so we should be able to bomb Iran" line when other countries are happy to point out that ISIS has a shiatload of our own weapons.


Which USA purchased from Bulgaria...

Seeing as noone believes USA didn't supply these weapons, that then ended up in ISIS hands, why be so dumbass about it? Is it because its cheaper to purchase various Soviet knockoffs? Probably.
 
2017-12-15 03:50:46 PM  

AdamK: Realistically invading Iran would be a year-long operation


Unlike the 15 year and counting-long operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A cakewalk. We will be greeted as liberators.
 
2017-12-15 04:25:48 PM  

jaytkay: AdamK: Realistically invading Iran would be a year-long operation

Unlike the 15 year and counting-long operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

A cakewalk. We will be greeted as liberators.


Was referring to the initial combat operations themselves if literally everything went perfectly (which they wouldn't)... as far as an end game though? There is no end game in Iran, we could sit there bleeding out for decades and it wouldn't make a difference.

All of this is why I don't like our relationship with the KSA, we've been their lap dog for decades and it keeps turning up bullshiat.
 
2017-12-15 05:41:45 PM  

AdamK: Was referring to the initial combat operations themselves


OK, understood, but separating invasion from occupation is idiocy. We have too many people with power who want to repeat the "success" of the Iraq War.

It's like declaring the Germans the victors of WW II, based on the map as of June 5, 1944.
 
2017-12-15 05:57:53 PM  
Considering that Saudi/UAE forces have had a months-long air and naval blockade on Yemen, you kind of wonder how many armaments the Iranians are able to slip through to that country. Getting food and fuel in is something of a bother.

In all likelihood, the Iranians have sent batches of weapons in but they are probably just batches.
 
2017-12-15 11:37:32 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Heron: jethroe: Her speech was reminiscent of Powell's sham at the UN.  They really want war with Iran, and the Saudi and Israeli leadership are 100% in support.  Expect more bombast, hopefully no bombing.

The US pop has zero interest in a war with Iran, and Donnie's approval rating is already in the 30s. Then again, the Republicans are already pretty much destroying themselves nationally through their support for him and his agenda, so maybe they'll make themselves even more unpopular by pushing for this war, too.

One of the biggest reasons that the Republicans are chomping at the bit for war with Iran is that it makes them money. The other being that Saudi Arabia and Israel want Iran out of the picture.  They want to sit back while the US gets it ass handed to them by throwing rocks at the hornet's nest.


Sure I understand that but, like, who's going to fight it? Not saying I think we'd see mutinies or anything, but people aren't going to be joining up to be in this thing, service families are going to be angry as hell(especially after watching the gov abandon their loved ones under Shrub and struggle to take care of them under Obama thanks to Republican penny-pinching), and if they think they can fight Iran with Erik Prince and his merry band of psychopaths... well, they did elect Donald, so they're obvsl the types to go in for Wyoming Oceanfront Real Estate. An ass-handing seems exactly right.
 
2017-12-15 11:40:16 PM  

Voxper: Considering that Saudi/UAE forces have had a months-long air and naval blockade on Yemen, you kind of wonder how many armaments the Iranians are able to slip through to that country. Getting food and fuel in is something of a bother.

In all likelihood, the Iranians have sent batches of weapons in but they are probably just batches.


But how competent ARE the Saudi and UAE forces? How much integrity do they have?
 
2017-12-16 01:47:37 AM  

Heron: But how competent ARE the Saudi and UAE forces? How much integrity do they have?


That's a great question. I don't know. I have no doubt that the Saudis are not above planting Iranian weapons.
 
2017-12-16 10:22:50 AM  

Heron: Voxper: Considering that Saudi/UAE forces have had a months-long air and naval blockade on Yemen, you kind of wonder how many armaments the Iranians are able to slip through to that country. Getting food and fuel in is something of a bother.

In all likelihood, the Iranians have sent batches of weapons in but they are probably just batches.

But how competent ARE the Saudi and UAE forces? How much integrity do they have?


Judging by combat footage the Saudi forces couldn't stop a cold.
 
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