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(Politico)   I guess this means there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Doug Jones can win the Presidency in 2020, then?   ( politico.com) divider line
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2017-12-13 07:56:11 PM  
I genuinely like the guy. If he follows through with what he says and actually can get some traction to run for the Oval Office I'd vote for him. Well see, but I think we'll not hear a thing about him after this is all said and done. I'll keep my ear to the ground.
 
2017-12-13 08:05:14 PM  
"There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama," said Mark Kennedy, a former Alabama Democratic Party chairman. "But it offers us a lot of hope that there can be change and that people are willing to vote for a man who promotes moving Alabama forward not just economically but also progressively."
FTFA
Two words that should set the politics tab aflame.
 
2017-12-13 08:49:59 PM  
Well, he might as well run. He has a helluva lot better shot at being elected President in 2020 than he does of being reelected to the Senate from Alagawdamnbama in 2020. (I think he has to run for reelection in just 2 years rather than in 6, since this was just a special election to fill in a vacated seat, right?)
 
2017-12-14 12:05:23 AM  
It's still HER turn!
 
2017-12-14 12:47:44 AM  

Cyberluddite: Well, he might as well run. He has a helluva lot better shot at being elected President in 2020 than he does of being reelected to the Senate from Alagawdamnbama in 2020. (I think he has to run for reelection in just 2 years rather than in 6, since this was just a special election to fill in a vacated seat, right?)


Yup. He's probably going to get one of the crappy cubicles they give to outgoing members of Congress to use in the lame duck months.

I'd be happy if he made it past 2020 but I highly doubt it
 
2017-12-14 02:17:37 AM  

Cyberluddite: Well, he might as well run. He has a helluva lot better shot at being elected President in 2020 than he does of being reelected to the Senate from Alagawdamnbama in 2020. (I think he has to run for reelection in just 2 years rather than in 6, since this was just a special election to fill in a vacated seat, right?)


His seat is up in 2020, not 2018. I hope his 2nd Amendment stance becomes a trend. Democrats would be the majority party with his platform.
 
2017-12-14 03:07:28 AM  
His former job had him coming after white supremacists, so becoming the next president would be doing exactly that.
 
2017-12-14 03:08:16 AM  
It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.
 
2017-12-14 03:09:12 AM  
I will vote for the candidate who doesn't babble hate speech non-stop and that's a pretty low bar.
 
2017-12-14 03:11:24 AM  
"There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.
 
2017-12-14 03:12:18 AM  
So Republicans hope that he'll "do the right thing" and vote Republican in the Senate?

You.
Lost.
 
2017-12-14 03:20:04 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: So Republicans hope that he'll "do the right thing" and vote Republican in the Senate?

You.
Lost.


Republicans never lose, unless (some racial or political minority) cheated.

They are entitled to rule, damnit!
 
2017-12-14 03:20:16 AM  

Summoner101: It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.


Democrats do better in presidential years, and something tells me they'll be extra motivated this time around.  If he stays true to himself, he might just inspire enough turnout to survive his first challenge.  And oh, the think pieces that would be written.  An Alabama seat going blue without the excuse of "we accidentally nominated a child predator"?

Guy's farked in '26 though.
 
2017-12-14 03:26:57 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Summoner101: It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.

Democrats do better in presidential years, and something tells me they'll be extra motivated this time around.  If he stays true to himself, he might just inspire enough turnout to survive his first challenge.  And oh, the think pieces that would be written.  An Alabama seat going blue without the excuse of "we accidentally nominated a child predator"?

Guy's farked in '26 though.


That excuse would still apply.
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2017-12-14 03:30:25 AM  

lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.


I've got friends (and family) who live in Alabama. I'll preface this by saying, it's unfortunate that you can't choose your family the same way you do friends.

Anyway, a couple of my buddies down there used to not vote in national elections because they never saw a point. To them, Alabama would always go red for the president and senate and there was no changing it. I'm from a more purple state (Kentucky, stereotypes be damned) and ever the optimist, I would try my best to convince them that their view was part of a bigger problem. They finally came around in 2016 and 2017 though. I think they're part of a much larger bloc of voters in Alabama that could turn the state from a deep crimson to at least maroon in the near term. 20 years from now, you might get a situation like KY where coontil recently) it wasn't uncommon to have Democrat governors, senators and statehouses. Hell, maybe one day they'll even fix the gerrymandering.

My sister in Alabama is an anti-vaxx, homeschool, deep state conspiracy nut job so I don't even bother.
 
2017-12-14 03:37:43 AM  
Okay, it's great that he won the Senate seat and all, but...

Letsnotsuckeachothersdicksjustyet.jpg​
 
2017-12-14 03:49:08 AM  
F*ck that. Centrists can lick my sack.
 
2017-12-14 03:52:27 AM  

Summoner101: It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.


I think he knows he won't get elected. It litterally took having a paedophile as an opponent, and pratically all of the black vote, for him to get that seat.
I'd be him, I'd be in absolutely no mood to go against my principle, and on the contrary, to show a taste of what my presidency would me like.
 
2017-12-14 04:02:45 AM  
But Fox News says he should vote Republican...ha, ha, as if that is how elections work.
 
2017-12-14 04:04:34 AM  

padraig: Summoner101: It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.

I think he knows he won't get elected. It litterally took having a paedophile as an opponent, and pratically all of the black vote, for him to get that seat.
I'd be him, I'd be in absolutely no mood to go against my principle, and on the contrary, to show a taste of what my presidency would me like.


Don't kid yourself.  The republicans in Alabama are exactly stupid enough to run Roy Moore against him a second time.  Not all of them, just enough of the trailer trash...I mean Evangelical voters for a primary race.
 
2017-12-14 04:10:28 AM  

winedrinkingman: padraig: Summoner101: It all depends on how he voted.  He can either hew towards the right out of some misguided chance to keep the seat, hew left to get the most of his seat, or stand his ground and govern his conscience.  Given his history I'd be interested if he stays with his conscience because it's the only reasonable way he stays a senator.  If he tries to be GOP-Lite, Alabama will just vote in an actual Republican because no matter how he voted he'll always be represented as a liberal.

I think he knows he won't get elected. It litterally took having a paedophile as an opponent, and pratically all of the black vote, for him to get that seat.
I'd be him, I'd be in absolutely no mood to go against my principle, and on the contrary, to show a taste of what my presidency would me like.

Don't kid yourself.  The republicans in Alabama are exactly stupid enough to run Roy Moore against him a second time.  Not all of them, just enough of the trailer trash...I mean Evangelical voters for a primary race.


Roy moore is probably stupid enough to run again too.
 
2017-12-14 04:26:37 AM  

mrparks: F*ck that. Centrists can lick my sack.


Right, because the important thing is that every senator is to the left of Bernie Sanders and not having 51 votes in the caucus to name a majority leader. In other words fark off.
 
2017-12-14 04:28:14 AM  
He seems pretty reasonable, especially for a red-state Democrat.

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along, to shout about how no progressive person will ever consider Jones even slightly acceptable because he fails some litmus test of perfection that exists in their own minds.
 
2017-12-14 04:56:41 AM  
Aside from defeating Moore yesterday, I can't say I really know much about this guy.
 
2017-12-14 05:07:36 AM  
His senate seat would revert back to the Prepubelicans in 2020 if the Dems put him anywhere on the presidential ticket. Let's just try and maintain control of that one for awhile, m'kay?
 
2017-12-14 05:17:00 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: His senate seat would revert back to the Prepubelicans in 2020 if the Dems put him anywhere on the presidential ticket. Let's just try and maintain control of that one for awhile, m'kay?


Not only that, but lets see if does more than talk a good game.
Let's see if he keeps the spine he found in Alabama.
And also, Third Way politics didn't work out great last election.
 
2017-12-14 05:17:24 AM  

Fingerware Error: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama," said Mark Kennedy, a former Alabama Democratic Party chairman. "But it offers us a lot of hope that there can be change and that people are willing to vote for a man who promotes moving Alabama forward not just economically but also progressively."
FTFA
Two words that should set the politics tab aflame.


wow. That sounds extremely positive.
 
2017-12-14 05:33:11 AM  

mrparks: F*ck that. Centrists can lick my sack.


11 year old account with no submitted links that I've never seen post before encourages leftwing voters to reject D candidates for not being pure enough

uh huh
 
2017-12-14 05:36:53 AM  

lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.


The UN is pretty shocked too, Alabama is actually is a third world shiat hole right in the middle of the US.
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-po​v​erty-environmental-racism-743601
 
2017-12-14 05:42:41 AM  

Boo_Guy: lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.

The UN is pretty shocked too, Alabama is actually is a third world shiat hole right in the middle of the US.
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-pov​erty-environmental-racism-743601


: /

/what a horrible website.
 
2017-12-14 05:55:55 AM  

Lady J: Boo_Guy: lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.

The UN is pretty shocked too, Alabama is actually is a third world shiat hole right in the middle of the US.
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-pov​erty-environmental-racism-743601

: /

/what a horrible website.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/201​7​/dec/01/un-extreme-poverty-america-spe​cial-rapporteur

/better?
 
2017-12-14 06:06:06 AM  

Lady J: Boo_Guy: lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.

The UN is pretty shocked too, Alabama is actually is a third world shiat hole right in the middle of the US.
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-pov​erty-environmental-racism-743601

: /

/what a horrible website.


Don't like newsweek?

How about http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017​/​12/un_poverty_official_touring_al.html​
or https://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo​r​ld/americas/us-politics/alabama-black-​belt-un-poverty-expert-extreme-develop​ed-country-sewage-crisis-roy-moore-phi​lip-alston-a8105886.html
Or search UN Alabama on the googles and pick your favorite news source then.

Either way these people aren't hooked up to a sewage system of any kind and are instead sending it to nearby ditches and they're getting hookworm because of it, something that was supposed to have been eradicated in the USA and is common in some of the poorest and most unsanitary parts of the world. This shouldn't be happening in the US.
 
2017-12-14 06:16:05 AM  
The next senator from deep-red Alabama supports Obamacare. He favors abortion rights and same-sex marriage, and believes young immigrants brought to the country as children should be allowed to become U.S. citizens. And he opposes both President Donald Trump's border wall and the Republican tax plan.

As a politician, these positions make him a left wing zealot.

As a citizen, these positions are in line with the majority of Americans.
 
2017-12-14 06:22:02 AM  

Lady J: mrparks: F*ck that. Centrists can lick my sack.

11 year old account with no submitted links that I've never seen post before encourages leftwing voters to reject D candidates for not being pure enough

uh huh


That is a lot of words you're putting in my mouth.

I post bunches

/What's my color?
 
2017-12-14 06:32:04 AM  

Boo_Guy: Lady J: Boo_Guy: lostcat: "There are a lot of things that he has supported and espoused that ... would not be typically a part of the culture of Alabama..."

I guess I never realized how farked up Alabama was until this Senate race. I thought places this backwards only existed in the minds of Hollywood screenwriters.

The UN is pretty shocked too, Alabama is actually is a third world shiat hole right in the middle of the US.
http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-pov​erty-environmental-racism-743601

: /

/what a horrible website.

Don't like newsweek?

How about http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/​12/un_poverty_official_touring_al.html
or https://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor​ld/americas/us-politics/alabama-black-​belt-un-poverty-expert-extreme-develop​ed-country-sewage-crisis-roy-moore-phi​lip-alston-a8105886.html
Or search UN Alabama on the googles and pick your favorite news source then.

Either way these people aren't hooked up to a sewage system of any kind and are instead sending it to nearby ditches and they're getting hookworm because of it, something that was supposed to have been eradicated in the USA and is common in some of the poorest and most unsanitary parts of the world. This shouldn't be happening in the US.


I did read it. Just leaning a really long way back in my chair.

I think I'd seen the older guardian article before.

I didn't pass much comment because I know it doesnt feel nice having foreigners knock your country.
 
2017-12-14 07:47:19 AM  
Kamala/Dougie 2020
 
2017-12-14 09:42:56 AM  
Zero chance. Jones is an Alabama Democrat, and although the aftermath of the election has made it popular to emphasize the Democrat, the Alabama should not be forgotten. It shows in almost every part of his campaign that wasn't a direct attack on Moore, like the way he glibly compared himself to Confederate generals. The infamous ad he sent through black neighborhoods doesn't help either, and that was even a Moore attack.

Jones is no prize, by most standards. He's better than Moore by light-years, but that's not a high bar. The Dems tolerate him on the Alabama stage because this is what's required to be competitive against Alabama Republicans. But he's unlikely to carry any primaries outside his home state.
 
2017-12-14 11:39:45 AM  
believes young immigrants brought to the country as children should be allowed to become U.S. citizens.

I didn't know they were forbidden
 
2017-12-14 11:43:50 AM  

OldJames: believes young immigrants brought to the country as children should be allowed to become U.S. citizens.

I didn't know they were forbidden


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