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2017-12-13 10:53:15 AM  
I hate leg days, even though that's where I seem to find my quickest gains. Still, don't want to end up all top-heavy. Besides, gotta do them squats to keep the testosterone going...
 
2017-12-13 11:06:54 AM  
Don't think it's wise to end up with a big muscly chest and little spindly legs.  You end up looking like a tool.
 
2017-12-13 11:10:08 AM  
But they taste so good.  I think this reflects a bias against dark meat
 
2017-12-13 11:16:39 AM  
I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.
 
2017-12-13 11:22:12 AM  
One of my old girlfriends told me that women judge men from the waist up.  I still have no reason to disbelieve her.
 
2017-12-13 11:27:33 AM  
Riley and Jonesy we're right all along!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hR59pJX​1​acg
 
2017-12-13 11:34:31 AM  
Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.

I really need to get back there, but all this extra bulk is a handicap. If I try doing squats, my knees will complain for a week.
 
2017-12-13 11:35:11 AM  
Yeah right bro. Those dorks just want you get your ratios all screwed up.
 
2017-12-13 11:37:01 AM  

phaseolus: Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.

I really need to get back there, but all this extra bulk is a handicap. If I try doing squats, my knees will complain for a week.


I did only cardio for almost 2 years before I even thought about touching a weight or doing a squat. Getting rid of 80 lbs really helped (with basically everything in my entire life)
 
2017-12-13 11:37:32 AM  
As a beer drinking hiker, I'm screwed.

/or not, per the article
 
2017-12-13 11:51:24 AM  
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2017-12-13 11:53:10 AM  
Leg day?  Most Farkers should skip liver day.
 
2017-12-13 11:57:57 AM  
Been alternating weeks of weight training and cycling since August with good results. San Diego to Orange County is now a casual ride for me. :D

... fark power bars, I just bring pizza for my ride meals.
 
2017-12-13 12:02:25 PM  
Scientists have also sad that working out your legs increase your ability to gain muscle, so which is it scientists??
 
XSV
2017-12-13 12:08:42 PM  

phaseolus: Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.

I really need to get back there, but all this extra bulk is a handicap. If I try doing squats, my knees will complain for a week.


You're completely right.  For overall health you really can't beat strong legs, not necessarily from squatting 400 but strengthening them in general whether it's lifting, biking, running, etc.  Core is the other big one. People always want the 6/8 pack but don't realize how beneficial it is for balance and everything else.

I was talking a guy at the gym and the advice he got (he's training to do a body builder competition around here) was to not work your abs and they'll come out naturally from regular working out and when you go into your cutting phase.  I wanted to face palm at the whole thing.  Lifting because of vanity and not for health/practicality is pretty antithetical to the whole idea of being in shape IMO.
 
2017-12-13 12:14:18 PM  

XSV: phaseolus: Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.

I really need to get back there, but all this extra bulk is a handicap. If I try doing squats, my knees will complain for a week.

You're completely right.  For overall health you really can't beat strong legs, not necessarily from squatting 400 but strengthening them in general whether it's lifting, biking, running, etc.  Core is the other big one. People always want the 6/8 pack but don't realize how beneficial it is for balance and everything else.

I was talking a guy at the gym and the advice he got (he's training to do a body builder competition around here) was to not work your abs and they'll come out naturally from regular working out and when you go into your cutting phase.  I wanted to face palm at the whole thing.  Lifting because of vanity and not for health/practicality is pretty antithetical to the whole idea of being in shape IMO.


The best athletes almost never look like gymbro body builders for a reason.
 
2017-12-13 12:21:04 PM  
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2017-12-13 12:21:11 PM  
So I should have asked the genie for a six pack instead of a pianist for my 12 inch piano.
 
XSV
2017-12-13 12:23:48 PM  
AdamK:The best athletes almost never look like gymbro body builders for a reason.

Right you are. I'm just more baffled by the mentality of getting arms so huge you can't reach behind you.  I had started doing some obstacle course racing and it's pretty good for making sure you're well rounded. I had never done the distance running component so switching to it and focusing more on the lighter weight/body weight and high rep endurance required for those really changes the way you train and approach the weight room.

The really interesting part is I had had problems with my knees since I was a teenager (had osgood schlatter's and a calcium deposit under my right ACL).  I thought my main issue with the distance running would be the pounding on my knees.  once I really got into training and strengthening my legs (and I wasn't OVER working them like I was in high school playing football and basketball) I have had almost 0 issues with my knees since.  Still get the occasional ache if there's a big temperature drop but not nearly what I had been experiencing.
 
2017-12-13 12:32:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: One of my old girlfriends told me that women judge men from the waist  cock up.  I still have no reason to disbelieve her.


FTFY

If they tell you otherwise, they are just being nice.
 
2017-12-13 12:36:38 PM  

XSV: AdamK:The best athletes almost never look like gymbro body builders for a reason.

Right you are. I'm just more baffled by the mentality of getting arms so huge you can't reach behind you.  I had started doing some obstacle course racing and it's pretty good for making sure you're well rounded. I had never done the distance running component so switching to it and focusing more on the lighter weight/body weight and high rep endurance required for those really changes the way you train and approach the weight room.

The really interesting part is I had had problems with my knees since I was a teenager (had osgood schlatter's and a calcium deposit under my right ACL).  I thought my main issue with the distance running would be the pounding on my knees.  once I really got into training and strengthening my legs (and I wasn't OVER working them like I was in high school playing football and basketball) I have had almost 0 issues with my knees since.  Still get the occasional ache if there's a big temperature drop but not nearly what I had been experiencing.


Yep, the saying is you work out what you want to be good at... well, going to the gym to lift weights to get big arms and nothing else means you get really good at lifting weights at the gym and that's about it. If you want to avoid injuries, not feel lethargic and generally be healthier you have to do a whole bunch of stuff - the nice thing being most of these exercises can be done outside a gym so no need to waste money on a gym membership!
 
2017-12-13 12:41:57 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.


I used to agree, until I put in some gym time for a few months. Strength gains from lifting weights are absolutely worth the membership fee. Body weight stuff can't compare, in my experience.
 
2017-12-13 12:48:34 PM  
I bike pretty much anywhere I can't walk, so every day is leg day for me. I also dig gardens for little old ladies as a side gig (for homebaked cookies), so upperbody workouts are pretty regular, too.
 
2017-12-13 12:53:48 PM  

xanadian: Don't think it's wise to end up with a big muscly chest and little spindly legs.  You end up looking like a tool.


An awl?
 
2017-12-13 12:57:27 PM  

xanadian: Don't think it's wise to end up with a big muscly chest and little spindly legs.  You end up looking like a tool.


Also you get your ass whipped by skinny guys with squinty eyes who eat spinach
 
2017-12-13 12:57:32 PM  
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2017-12-13 12:58:29 PM  
Well.

shiat.

My leg gains outpace my upper body by quite a bit...

//Been hitting the gym for a year.  I have made gains on everything, lost 30lbs as well (mostly fat, but I'm sure some muscle was lost in my initial focus on cardio), but upper body gains have been lackluster
 
2017-12-13 01:02:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: One of my old girlfriends told me that women judge men from the waist up. I still have no reason to disbelieve her.


In that case, you should get a younger girlfriend (ba-dum-bum-tssssh).

Seriously though, as others have pointed out, if you're over about 35 you still need to work legs a bit so that you have enough T to impress your GF by what you do from the waist down during bedtime. Nothing kills the mood like having to pop blue pills at 38 or 43 when a little effort in the gym will prevent that from being necessary.
 
2017-12-13 01:06:46 PM  
I've seen more of my share of bodybuilders with spindley little legs.  They look really weird.
 
2017-12-13 01:11:59 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: I've seen more of my share of bodybuilders with spindley little legs.  They look really weird.


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2017-12-13 01:20:25 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.


Well that depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?

Bodyweight work is only ever going to get you so far - i.e. you can only create so much resistance.
 
2017-12-13 01:21:27 PM  
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kab
2017-12-13 01:29:26 PM  
The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men.

Odd, I keep getting told that women don't objectify men.
 
2017-12-13 01:46:26 PM  
Forgive me for RTFA - but I'm not entirely sure how this:

The results showed that it was possible to almost perfectly predict how attractive a man's body is from three things: how physically strong he looks, how tall he is, and how lean he is. The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men. Furthermore, looking strong was much more important for man's attractiveness than being tall or lean.
"The rated strength of a male body accounts for a full 70 percent of the variance in attractiveness,'' Dr Sell said.


Got translated into 'skip leg day' - I mean, from the brief study description I could find, they showed three (presumably the same angles) pictures of some different guys to women and those were used to rate attractiveness.

If, as I suspect, they only really showed photos that highlighted the upper body musculature, then something to assess height, then something to show the face, well, that would probably say that 'yeah, more muscles is good-er' - but unless they somehow showed buff torsos on skinny legs vs. buff torsos on muscly legs, then I don't see how it would follow.

Whatever.  I've heard too many comments from women about men's butts to stop squatting.
 
2017-12-13 01:48:54 PM  
I do extra leg days because I actually want better performance as well as health.

phaseolus: Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.


See? This guy gets it.
 
2017-12-13 01:55:34 PM  

XSV: was to not work your abs and they'll come out naturally from regular working out


I don't do much direct ab work at all. But everything my trainer has me do has the side benefit of working core. For example, one-arm dumbell bench press and landmine squats. I get your point, though-- my goals are far different than those of a competitive body-builder.
 
2017-12-13 01:59:02 PM  

kab: The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men.

Odd, I keep getting told that women don't objectify men.


Patriarchy Alert!
Patriarchy Alert!

Please report to the nearest re-education camp.
 
2017-12-13 02:19:05 PM  

xanadian: Don't think it's wise to end up with a big muscly chest and little spindly legs.  You end up looking like a tool.


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2017-12-13 02:28:10 PM  

WinoRhino: I do extra leg days because I actually want better performance as well as health.

phaseolus: Never having been a preening, attention-seeking little twit, back when I was in good shape I loved lower body work. Having a strong core and strong legs just made me more capable, and that was a wonderful feeling.

See? This guy gets it.


I was very pleased with my bench press - particularly because I could bench way way over my bodyweight.  Years later, I've finally realized that 'having no muscles in your legs' and thus no weight in your legs is a poor way to accomplish this.

/slowly getting better.  Also fatter.
 
2017-12-13 02:48:05 PM  
For people who lift things a lot at work you don't even need 'leg day' if done properly.
 
2017-12-13 02:54:45 PM  
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2017-12-13 02:58:35 PM  

kab: The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men.

Odd, I keep getting told that women don't objectify men.


The study showed women pictures, they didn't meet the men. The women didn't have any other (more important) data to work with. Women judge a man's attractiveness on a lot of things that aren't visible, so this study only measures part of the process. It would be like showing men pictures of boobs and concluding that men like brunettes.

Jster422: Tr0mBoNe: I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.

Well that depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?
Bodyweight work is only ever going to get you so far - i.e. you can only create so much resistance.


That's what hand weights are for.
I don't go to a gym, I go to the hockey arena where all the old people walk (we don't have a decent sized mall). I do 4 miles walking (includes a bit under a mile holding weights), and 45 minutes on a bench doing core and upper body lifting - walking takes care of the legs (8 laps walking, 2 laps with weights (12 pounders), 15 min lifting repeat 3 times). I do the same work out every week day. There's always ways to make the workout harder if it gets too easy.

/Yes I'm sure tour workout is harder, but I'm an old lady who was just sick of being weak.
//The weight lifting also cracks my back and builds the muscles to properly support it in it's correct configuration.
 
2017-12-13 03:21:14 PM  

NotARocketScientist: kab: The effect of strength was so large that none of the 150 women in the study preferred weak men.

Odd, I keep getting told that women don't objectify men.

The study showed women pictures, they didn't meet the men. The women didn't have any other (more important) data to work with. Women judge a man's attractiveness on a lot of things that aren't visible, so this study only measures part of the process. It would be like showing men pictures of boobs and concluding that men like brunettes.

Jster422: Tr0mBoNe: I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.

Well that depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?
Bodyweight work is only ever going to get you so far - i.e. you can only create so much resistance.

That's what hand weights are for.
I don't go to a gym, I go to the hockey arena where all the old people walk (we don't have a decent sized mall). I do 4 miles walking (includes a bit under a mile holding weights), and 45 minutes on a bench doing core and upper body lifting - walking takes care of the legs (8 laps walking, 2 laps with weights (12 pounders), 15 min lifting repeat 3 times). I do the same work out every week day. There's always ways to make the workout harder if it gets too easy.

/Yes I'm sure tour workout is harder, but I'm an old lady who was just sick of being weak.
//The weight lifting also cracks my back and builds the muscles to properly support it in it's correct configuration.


There is no world in which I'd claim my workout is harder than yours or disparage anything you're doing.  The best (in my opinion) exercise research of the past 30 years has been all the evidence that people can put on muscle at any age and get the benefits of exercise.

I'm just about 40, and had just assumed that it was all just a matter of managing the decline into inevitable decrepitude - but I got connected to a really good trainer and am far stronger than I ever was in high school (not that I was all that strong in high school, but still).  I used to spend tons of hours just messing around in the gym without much to show for it - now it's an hour and a half, twice a week, and the results have been amazing, predictable, and easy to quantify.

I am interested, however, in your proposed brunette study and would like more information on how to sign up.
 
2017-12-13 04:45:32 PM  
I need to review the materials they used to believe the conclusions being presented.  There are just too many ways that study can go wrong and thereby reach the wrong conclusions.

Also, it has to be said - women have absolutely zero idea what makes a man strong, or what that looks like.  So it may well be that the women valued "strength" and the only way they had to recognize it was upper body muscles which they don't have, so therefore their conclusion was to call that "attractive".  But it could also be that they weren't shown images that had a clear indicator of strength and fitness being portrayed in the lower body
 
2017-12-13 04:56:14 PM  
The article keeps going on about strength as being the primary factor for attractiveness.. uh, google world's strongest men and pro weightlifters.  They for sure don't look like the guy in the article - more like pregnant ogres on steroids.
 
2017-12-13 05:55:09 PM  
Don't care if I sound like a shill, but this thing (combined with a diet that doesn't consist entirely of trans fats and empty carbohydrates) has almost single-handedly transformed my upper body. Seriously, just spend 20 minutes a day with it, and you'll start to notice a difference. You can do a few different kinds of pull-ups, a few different kinds of push-ups, and if you hook it through your door on the floor, you can do sit-ups without a partner.

Your mileage may vary.
 
2017-12-13 05:58:37 PM  
Sometimes it is possible to focus too much on the legs. I have lower back issues, it's a long story and I don't want to get into it. My physical therapist taught me two different workouts meant to increase my lower back strength and these workouts are mostly leg and core training.

I alternate doing these physical therapy workouts with normal weight training days. For a year I made sure to always have an equal amount upper body and leg days when doing normal wieghtlifting, but I was unhappy with how slowly my upper body strength was progressing. I then decided that maybe my physical therapy workouts should also be partially counted as leg days since a lot of it focuses on leg and glute strength, so I adjusted my normal weightlifting days by doubling the upper body days (while still keeping leg days because I figured dedicated leg days give me more direct strength gains than my physical therapy which is more focused on building supporting muscles for the lower back and maintaining mobility).

Turns out I was right and probably was spending too much time on my legs, because since I made this change the pace of my progress in both my legs and upper body has just about doubled.  I'm still not where I'd like to be, but I'm at least getting there quicker.
 
2017-12-13 07:32:59 PM  
Meh.  Exercise class takes care of all of it.  Cardio three days a week, strength training three days a week, upper and lower.  It's foolish to skip any of it.  Muscle tissue burns more calories than fat, so even while you're not working out you're burning more calories.  Stupid female body needs all the fat burnination help it can get.

Best shape of my life so far.  Heart rate monitor thingy just bumped max target rate up to 222. Whee.  o.o
 
2017-12-13 08:26:37 PM  
No. Don't skip leg day. The lower body generates a lot of the power you need for things like accurately throwing bricks and bottles, punching people so hard you break both your hand and the other guy's orbit bone, or picking up the Harley you dropped while drunk in the very same manner that you'd raise a tipped over bicycle.
 
2017-12-13 08:42:00 PM  

Jster422: Tr0mBoNe: I prefer to do cardio and then some push-ups and sit-ups. Gyms are a waste of time and money.

Well that depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?

Bodyweight work is only ever going to get you so far - i.e. you can only create so much resistance.


Using leverage, etc you can progress it pretty damn far though. Check out Al Kavadlos site, he's got some great progressions. I still like lifting, but I'm moving more and more towards calisthenics lately.
Al Kavadlo - Extreme Calisthenics
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