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(Salon)   Trump doesn't want to go to the moon for mankind's progress, but for the wallets of his rocket-building buddies   ( salon.com) divider line
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2017-12-13 04:23:47 AM  
not so good for science.

Hey, that "S" in the name doesn't stand for "Science".
 
2017-12-13 04:28:51 AM  
obvious tag broke?

These "Bear attends Catholic mass" headlines every Sunday are getting old.

At best, Trump is the worst human being to sit in the White House. At worst, he's trying to kill mankind.
 
2017-12-13 05:44:36 AM  
That was the one thing I supported him on, so of course he had to go and make a complete dog's breakfast of it.
 
2017-12-13 06:29:38 AM  
Does the Pope crap in the woods?
 
2017-12-13 08:20:48 AM  
He has buddies?
 
2017-12-13 08:23:35 AM  
Wait, they can still build their rockets.. Then The Donald can ride out one last moonshot.
 
2017-12-13 08:24:05 AM  

Alphax: He has buddies?


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2017-12-13 08:28:37 AM  
He has a monetary interest, he doesn't care about his "buddies" anymore than he cares about coal miners.
 
2017-12-13 08:29:33 AM  
Well duh.

That said, why not exploit Trump's greed and stupidity for the good of Mankind if he's trying to exploit Mankind out of greed and stupidity?
 
2017-12-13 08:29:56 AM  
To be honest, if he's going to funnel taxpayer dollars into various corporations, I'll take rockets over banks.  It's still wrong, it's just slightly less wrong.
 
2017-12-13 08:29:59 AM  
And the moon will be covered in blood.
 
2017-12-13 08:30:35 AM  

Alphax: He has buddies?


fine, here:

Trump doesn't want to go to the moon for mankind's progress, but for the wallets of his the rocket-building buddies businessmen that are actually rich Trump wishes would give him the time of day.

Happy now?
 
2017-12-13 08:30:42 AM  
Next Trump hotel, on the moon?
 
2017-12-13 08:32:12 AM  
I wouldn't be opposed to some kind of financial inducements to push the space efforts. Not from this administration because they turn all they touch to shiat, but I could see supporting some monetary incentives to get us more active in space.
 
2017-12-13 08:33:17 AM  
I figured somebody just told him there was coal up there.
 
2017-12-13 08:35:05 AM  
NASA getting its legs cut off is a national shame but I'm okay with SpaceX picking up the torch. We do actually need private companies working on the innovation requires to make space accessible to the masses eventually. That isn't and shouldn't be the goal of NASA.
 
2017-12-13 08:35:39 AM  

doglover: At best, Trump is the worst human being to sit in the White House. At worst, he's trying to kill mankind.


I keep thinking of Trump in terms of Stephen King's The Stand. Trump is sort of a moronic Randall Flagg, bent on destruction and evil for the sake of destruction and evil.

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Trump's base remind me Trashcan Man and Steve Bannon is Lloyd Henreid.

Odd how this lines up
 
2017-12-13 08:36:19 AM  
I guess they want to be the party that ruined the internet, NASA, our economy ANd our healthcare system.

If only there was a way to stop them.

I am pretty sure people are tired of winning, i know i am.
 
2017-12-13 08:40:00 AM  
Pays my mortgage at the moment so... I can only get so indignant about it...
 
2017-12-13 08:41:04 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Pays my mortgage at the moment so... I can only get so indignant about it...


You work for SpaceX?
 
2017-12-13 08:41:38 AM  
Oh, so Elon and Donny Two Scoops kissed and made up.
 
2017-12-13 08:42:49 AM  
Would this include Little Rocket Man?
 
2017-12-13 08:46:03 AM  

texanjeff: I guess they want to be the party that ruined the internet, NASA, our economy ANd our healthcare system.

If only there was a way to stop them.

I am pretty sure people are tired of winning, i know i am.


If this is what great is supposed to be, can we go back to just being adequate?
 
2017-12-13 08:47:21 AM  
Nothing says progress like repeating a 50 year old accomplishment.
 
2017-12-13 08:50:30 AM  
When you're a grifter, everything is a swindle.
 
2017-12-13 08:59:09 AM  
So, redoing something that was successfully repeated many times 45-50 years ago is now considered progress.
 
2017-12-13 09:03:00 AM  
Trump likes spending money on rockets, aerospace, and human space travel so now we're all required to hate it? Manned space travel should be the focus anyway, not simply cheap robotic probes.
 
2017-12-13 09:09:56 AM  
This is probably correct. If it gets us back into space, however, then I find it difficult to complain too terribly much. It's not an ideal motive, but it will do.
 
2017-12-13 09:10:27 AM  
Sending people to the Moon is a pointless waste. Unmanned missions reap more science at a small fraction of the cost.

Maybe if the Pentagon budget were trimmed an equal amount could it be worthwhile.
 
2017-12-13 09:11:27 AM  
If space travel can be made to be profitable, we'll go there. Maybe this is a good thing. Probably for all the wrong reasons, but one can hope.
 
2017-12-13 09:15:41 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: To be honest, if he's going to funnel taxpayer dollars into various corporations, I'll take rockets over banks.  It's still wrong, it's just slightly less wrong.


it's several magnitudes of order better.

Investing in science, even for selfish purposes, can only be seen as a win.  It'll create real jobs in an open-ended industry with literally limitless growth potential, foster support for education, and hopefully get more people going into STEM fields.
 
2017-12-13 09:17:36 AM  

Alphax: He has buddies?


Well wishers, in that the don't wish him any specific harm.
 
2017-12-13 09:20:44 AM  
We're really not yet ready for Mars. We need to develop and real-world test life support systems that can run for 2-3 years in a bulletproof way without any external resupply or repair.   And better rad shielding for the flight. And better spacesuits. And a better high-capacity lander/ return vehicle design for Mars' atmosphere and gravity situation  Developing Mars-useful technologies while working on the Moon  (except for the lander part) will help us GET to Mars.
 
2017-12-13 09:29:28 AM  
I figured since he buys into the conspiracy theories - he would claim that he was the First President to REALLY send men to the moon.
 
2017-12-13 09:29:50 AM  
Can anyone actually name a Trump policy that actually benefits regular people, as opposed to businesses or people from whom he makes money?
 
2017-12-13 09:33:48 AM  
I think I can be persuaded to let this one slide. Some good comes of it and there are more important things to worry about.
 
2017-12-13 09:39:05 AM  

NutznGum: Nothing says progress like repeating a 50 year old accomplishment.


The sad thing is that after 30 years of not merely stagnation but actual backsliding, yes, this would be progress.
 
2017-12-13 09:45:26 AM  

jaytkay: Sending people to the Moon is a pointless waste. Unmanned missions reap more science at a small fraction of the cost.

Maybe if the Pentagon budget were trimmed an equal amount could it be worthwhile.


Or trim the overhead of paying full medical and assistance benefits for illegal aliens.
 
2017-12-13 09:48:14 AM  

jaytkay: Sending people to the Moon is a pointless waste. Unmanned missions reap more science at a small fraction of the cost.

Maybe if the Pentagon budget were trimmed an equal amount could it be worthwhile.


I would disagree strongly with this statement.  If we're actually serious about going to Mars, creating a staging base on the Moon is our best plan.  We'd get used to living in a hostile environment (with lower gravity), and would be able to build the vehicles to take us there a lot cheaper in space than if we did it on Earth.

But Trump and crew aren't actually all about really doing that.  Much better to give nebulous promises of doing it, all the while funneling money to private agencies that may or may not get us closer to the actual goal.
 
2017-12-13 09:52:39 AM  
Do you realize how much money you can launder through moon condos?
 
2017-12-13 09:53:24 AM  
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2017-12-13 09:58:52 AM  

NineTwo: Next Trump hotel, on the moon?


Sure it might have a great view but it has no atmosphere
 
2017-12-13 10:16:26 AM  
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Your days are numbered at NASA. You and all your sick rocket-building buddies. Meantime, your ass belongs to me. Now, drop and give me 20
 
2017-12-13 10:20:02 AM  
First they complain he doesn't care about NASA or the space program.
Now they complain cause he's interested in NASA and the space program.

bainsguy: Alphax: He has buddies?

fine, here:

Trump doesn't want to go to the moon for mankind's progress, but for the wallets of his the rocket-building buddies businessmen that are actually rich Trump wishes would give him the time of day.

Happy now?


Lol, when it comes to Trump they will NEVER be happy.

I also love that the article is shiatting on him for wanting to send humans to Mars, yet people have been talking about it for the past 5+ years. Humans want to send people to mars SO much they have picked people to make the journey are are practicing.
Here's an article on it from 3 years ago:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sp​a​ce-mars-simulation/researchers-practic​e-living-on-mars-without-leaving-earth​-idUSKBN0FT2Z420140728

Oh, but now that Trump supports it, it's bad!
 
2017-12-13 10:24:59 AM  
I thought it was because he thought Iron Sky was a documentary.
 
2017-12-13 10:28:53 AM  
This in no way forgives killing science missions, ordering completed probes destroyed, and crippling the Earth Sciences program for decades (or at least until somebody else undoes the change), but it actually manages to be an improvement over the long term Republican plan for NASA. Stripping the science from the program is far from new, except the last Republican president tied the glory missions to the SLS, and locked the SLS into legacy contractors from the shuttle program, leaving it to rapidly become the F-35 of the rocketry world.

Killing science ands giving a blatant handout to companies like Space-X and Blue Origin still manages to be an improvement over killing science and dumping billions into another eternal boondoggle of a launch system.
 
2017-12-13 10:32:37 AM  

Great_Milenko: HMS_Blinkin: To be honest, if he's going to funnel taxpayer dollars into various corporations, I'll take rockets over banks.  It's still wrong, it's just slightly less wrong.

it's several magnitudes of order better.

Investing in science, even for selfish purposes, can only be seen as a win.  It'll create real jobs in an open-ended industry with literally limitless growth potential, foster support for education, and hopefully get more people going into STEM fields.

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In other news, my wife's 11yr old niece suddenly expressed an interest in electronics. Awesome. Maybe she's really interested, maybe it's because the little boy she likes hanging out with is interested in electronics. don't know, don't care. She went home with a spare multitester, a breadboard, and a wiring pack. And now she's getting a 130-in-1 electronics kit for christmas because those things are awesome. Sure, it's ages 12+  but at least she can grow into it rather than the ages 6+ ones that my wife picked for her and i promptly vetoed.
And she can give it all to her little boyfriend for all I care. for at least a little while, that's 2 kids learning stuff. If it wasn't factory sealed, I'd totally play with it before wrapping it up.
 
2017-12-13 10:32:54 AM  

mrsleep: First they complain he doesn't care about NASA or the space program.
Now they complain cause he's interested in NASA and the space program.

bainsguy: Alphax: He has buddies?

fine, here:

Trump doesn't want to go to the moon for mankind's progress, but for the wallets of his the rocket-building buddies businessmen that are actually rich Trump wishes would give him the time of day.

Happy now?

Lol, when it comes to Trump they will NEVER be happy.

I also love that the article is shiatting on him for wanting to send humans to Mars, yet people have been talking about it for the past 5+ years. Humans want to send people to mars SO much they have picked people to make the journey are are practicing.
Here's an article on it from 3 years ago:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spa​ce-mars-simulation/researchers-practic​e-living-on-mars-without-leaving-earth​-idUSKBN0FT2Z420140728

Oh, but now that Trump supports it, it's bad!


No, it's the fact that he's not in any way serious about these things.  He's talking about these grandiose plans, yet isn't talking about how the actually do it, much less find a way to pay for it.

It's a PR stunt for Trump and the Republicans.  Granted, they'll be more than happy to start shoveling money to private agencies to try to do these things.
 
2017-12-13 10:44:48 AM  
Um, yeah. You want progress? Put a profit motive behind it. That's how things work.
 
2017-12-13 10:45:48 AM  

mrsleep: First they complain he doesn't care about NASA or the space program.
Now they complain cause he's interested in NASA and the space program.

bainsguy: Alphax: He has buddies?

fine, here:

Trump doesn't want to go to the moon for mankind's progress, but for the wallets of his the rocket-building buddies businessmen that are actually rich Trump wishes would give him the time of day.

Happy now?

Lol, when it comes to Trump they will NEVER be happy.

I also love that the article is shiatting on him for wanting to send humans to Mars, yet people have been talking about it for the past 5+ years. Humans want to send people to mars SO much they have picked people to make the journey are are practicing.
Here's an article on it from 3 years ago:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spa​ce-mars-simulation/researchers-practic​e-living-on-mars-without-leaving-earth​-idUSKBN0FT2Z420140728

Oh, but now that Trump supports it, it's bad!


don't drag me into the bullsh*t you're peddling. Trump isn't doing this out of the nobility of reaching for the stars to further mankind, he's doing it because saying "LET'S GO TO THE MOON" makes people clap for him and if the clapping ever stops, he'll be left with only himself. He's doing it because he and his associates have stakes in companies that will take that sweet, sweet subsidy money to develop the tech that will supposedly take us there. The GOP is still cutting NASA funding.

This isn't a "that guy's eatin' crackers like he owns the place," this is "oh look, Trump is yet again doing something self-serving"
 
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