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2017-12-12 02:55:59 AM  
President Barack Obama approved rules

Once again, there it is. And as usual it has the bonus of being evil.
 
2017-12-12 03:06:43 AM  
this is going to f*ck over a LOT of students.  not to mention that this tells the industry that its ok to f*ck over students, they Dept of Education will protect the criminals and screw over the students.
 
2017-12-12 03:38:22 AM  
That's right, peons. Serves you right for trying to better yourselves anyway.

If you really want to get rich, marry a billionaire, like Betsy did.
 
2017-12-12 03:48:03 AM  
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2017-12-12 06:29:12 AM  
Every day it's a contest with these shiatstains on humanity to see if they can be bigger douchebags than the day before.

Every day is a success.
 
2017-12-12 06:37:10 AM  
Betsy DeVos is the fark you to pretty much everybody. Don't know why defrauded students should be excluded, there.

/  Seriously, vote. Every time. All of them. No exceptions, no excuses. They all matter.
//  And that means you!
 
2017-12-12 06:41:05 AM  
FTA: Caught in limbo, borrowers are seeing interest and fees accrue...

And herein lies the motive for the cancellation.

/From the Party of Fiscal Responsibility
 
2017-12-12 06:42:20 AM  
She sounds like a piece of work.
 
2017-12-12 06:43:16 AM  
Keep those farking kids stupid and they'll vote R every time.
 
2017-12-12 06:43:42 AM  
Ignoring the harm to the students (which is outrageous), this decision is essentially giving license to for-profit schools to rip off the American taxpayer... which is the point.

Kleptocracy here we come!
 
2017-12-12 06:43:44 AM  

Stands With A Tiny Fist: Betsy DeVos is the fark you to pretty much everybody. Don't know why defrauded students should be excluded, there.

/  Seriously, vote. Every time. All of them. No exceptions, no excuses. They all matter.
//  And that means you!


Well, you see it is their interpretation of the wording. Betsy doesn' want to cancel loans of "defrauded" students. She only wants to cancel loans of students who have been "frauded" see, when you put the "de" infront of something, it means the opposite.

She is just looking out for the actual victims.
 
2017-12-12 06:44:42 AM  
Of course, she won't.
If she gets her way, there's going to be a lot more schools selling worthless degrees at above market rates.
 
2017-12-12 06:45:40 AM  

Lady J: She sounds like a piece of work.


as far as I know, DeVos is the ONLY person to ever head the Dept of Education and not either have an education degree herself, or at least been thru graduate school.  DeVos holds an associate MBA degree and never bothered to finish her formal schooling.

she bought that job off trump, specifically with her whacked out agenda in mind.  then she ran into opposition, had no idea what to do next, and now she's just throwing shiat up against the wall and killing time till Trump gets impeached.  from what I gather around the water cooler, she only puts in about half a week and calls it a day by Wednesday afternoons.
 
2017-12-12 06:47:13 AM  

eiger: Ignoring the harm to the students (which is outrageous), this decision is essentially giving license to for-profit schools to rip off the American taxpayer... which is the point.

Kleptocracy here we come!


DeVos is also making a serious effort to break the Dept of Education's loan forgiveness contracts we signed under Obama.  she's finding that she can't do it tho without giving the borrower's a 'get out of debt forever' card for free tho.
 
2017-12-12 06:48:11 AM  
That is in contrast to Obama's final months in office. From July 1, 2016, through inauguration, the department received 46,274 claims and approved 27,986. It denied none.

Phase 2 of DeVos's plan is to reverse the 27,986 reversals. Retroactively, so all interest and penalties are applied.
 
2017-12-12 06:51:54 AM  
You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.
 
2017-12-12 06:51:57 AM  
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2017-12-12 06:56:37 AM  

Weaver95: eiger: Ignoring the harm to the students (which is outrageous), this decision is essentially giving license to for-profit schools to rip off the American taxpayer... which is the point.

Kleptocracy here we come!

DeVos is also making a serious effort to break the Dept of Education's loan forgiveness contracts we signed under Obama.  she's finding that she can't do it tho without giving the borrower's a 'get out of debt forever' card for free tho.


Yeah, one of the issues here is that for people like DeVos normal people are not really people but "profit centers." I heard a story on the radio about a woman who was defrauded by one of these schools and is now living in a homeless shelter working a minimum wage job from which all her wages are garnished. To me, and I assume most normal people, that story was an example of an immense injustice. To DeVoss, that's a story of money returning to its rightful owners.
 
2017-12-12 06:57:12 AM  
We are in the eleventh month of a war. It is a mostly quiet, subtle war. But it is a war with casualties. This policy reversal is nothing compared to what is on the horizon. Any institution or policy that is at all progressive, in any way, is a target in this war. And if you crush the working poor at the same time you siphon money from their failing schools, children making a wage on the factory floor starts to look pretty good. Gilded Age 101.
 
2017-12-12 06:57:19 AM  
This must have been the biggest "university" in the world with that many students.

Wasn't this all a scam with the "students" being willing participants?
 
2017-12-12 06:57:20 AM  

Weaver95: Lady J: She sounds like a piece of work.

as far as I know, DeVos is the ONLY person to ever head the Dept of Education and not either have an education degree herself, or at least been thru graduate school.  DeVos holds an associate MBA degree and never bothered to finish her formal schooling.

she bought that job off trump, specifically with her whacked out agenda in mind.  then she ran into opposition, had no idea what to do next, and now she's just throwing shiat up against the wall and killing time till Trump gets impeached.  from what I gather around the water cooler, she only puts in about half a week and calls it a day by Wednesday afternoons.


You're just jealous of her success. You don't need no fancy postgraduate diploma from an ivory tower liberal indoctrination center.  You just need some learnin' from a master of the craft.

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2017-12-12 06:58:06 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


Yeah, I agree. fark all those people studying nursing and physical therapy. They contribute nothing useful.
 
2017-12-12 06:58:32 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?


did you know that the guy DeVos hired to protect students from fake schools is himself guilty of running a fake school and scamming students out of their money?
 
2017-12-12 06:59:18 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


Yeah, that's what's happening.

Mostly we're talking about people who are first generation college students who are members of the working class and minorities. They literally have no idea how college works. Typically they are going back for vocational degrees, the kind of stuff conservatives supposedly love. However, the schools are literally fraudulent. They teach nothing in the classes and their "graduates" are completely unprepared to actually do the job they are studying for.

These are clear cases of FRAUD. The seller is lying about what they are selling and targeting people they know can't accurately judge the product.
 
2017-12-12 06:59:26 AM  
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2017-12-12 07:01:08 AM  
Cruella DeVoucher strikes again.
 
2017-12-12 07:02:37 AM  
Is this about the people who went to Trump University?
 
2017-12-12 07:02:38 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


You know how we know you have no idea what schools are defrauding students?
 
2017-12-12 07:03:02 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


I used to think you were ok.
 
2017-12-12 07:03:50 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


Most of the kids and young adults went to colleges that presented themselves as delivering skills and training in their chosen degree and field. Those borrowers themselves were going to be first-generation of their family to go to college, and had little to no help from anyone who knew the difference between shyster institutions and legit colleges.

But hey, keep up your victim blaming. It's working out so well for you that we should use the same logic on the colleges and the loanholders when one of those now-adults finally snaps under the pressure of this Kafka-esque madness. If the defrauded individuals decides that if financial change won't fix the problem, and destruction of property and person might, then I guess that the loan holders shouldn't have given out the loans when the colleges were shysters and the government had a chance of being run by a kleptocrat.

Oh well. Blame the victim, etc etc etc.
 
2017-12-12 07:04:17 AM  
In the final days of his administration, President Barack Obama approved rules speeding up the debt cancellations. DeVos has delayed implementing those rules, saying they would create significant costs for taxpayers.

Explain how, you stupid piece of shiat. Show your math.

F*cking piece of trash.
 
2017-12-12 07:04:22 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: This must have been the biggest "university" in the world with that many students.

Wasn't this all a scam with the "students" being willing participants?


NO! Most people who have been to college really don't get it, but people who have no relatives who have ever gone to college typically don't get what college IS. I've taught plenty of first generation students and you have to educate them about how college works on a fundamental level. I think a lot of them figure out after a while that it is a fraud, but it takes time, and these calls typically charge absurd fees/tuition that mount up quickly.

one of the worst facts of this whole situation is that these schools literally prey on the poor. Middle class kids know better than to go to these schools and go to real universities and then get real jobs, even if they have student loans. They may not be in the best situation, but they are not being defrauded.

These schools are literally run by con artists who target students who cannot accurately judge them.
 
2017-12-12 07:04:33 AM  

August11: We are in the eleventh month of a war. It is a mostly quiet, subtle war. But it is a war with casualties. This policy reversal is nothing compared to what is on the horizon. Any institution or policy that is at all progressive, in any way, is a target in this war. And if you crush the working poor at the same time you siphon money from their failing schools, children making a wage on the factory floor starts to look pretty good. Gilded Age 101.


Only there is nothing on the factory floor for them. Instead, you make them entirely obsolete, therefore expendable. Look for novel ways to reduce this population (Fentanyl is one of them).
 
2017-12-12 07:04:42 AM  

Psylence: [img.fark.net image 850x566]


Are you in St. Petersburg or Minsk?
 
2017-12-12 07:06:27 AM  

Another Government Employee: August11: We are in the eleventh month of a war. It is a mostly quiet, subtle war. But it is a war with casualties. This policy reversal is nothing compared to what is on the horizon. Any institution or policy that is at all progressive, in any way, is a target in this war. And if you crush the working poor at the same time you siphon money from their failing schools, children making a wage on the factory floor starts to look pretty good. Gilded Age 101.

Only there is nothing on the factory floor for them. Instead, you make them entirely obsolete, therefore expendable. Look for novel ways to reduce this population (Fentanyl is one of them).


Yup. That was in the back of my mind.
 
2017-12-12 07:08:13 AM  

August11: Psylence: [img.fark.net image 850x566]

Are you in St. Petersburg or Minsk?


Nah. Philly. We're better at blowing things up.

Or was that some sort of poorly aimed "lol russiatroll" sort of thing. Getting real hard to tell on this site.
 
2017-12-12 07:09:43 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


Except,  they were running ads and in some cases signing contracts, that stated that there were thousands of unfilled jobs in this field. The "schools" promised job placement services as part of their education. They were unwilling, or unable to fulfill their part of the bargain.
 
2017-12-12 07:10:18 AM  
 
2017-12-12 07:12:33 AM  
Gosh. If only there was something some defrauded students in one State could do about that today, or at least start something.
 
2017-12-12 07:14:21 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: This must have been the biggest "university" in the world with that many students.

Wasn't this all a scam with the "students" being willing participants?


Everyone who gets scammed is a "willing" participant. Do you believe that somehow makes it not fraud, or that the victims do not deserve restitution?
 
2017-12-12 07:14:41 AM  

eiger: Sean VasDeferens: This must have been the biggest "university" in the world with that many students.

Wasn't this all a scam with the "students" being willing participants?

NO! Most people who have been to college really don't get it, but people who have no relatives who have ever gone to college typically don't get what college IS. I've taught plenty of first generation students and you have to educate them about how college works on a fundamental level. I think a lot of them figure out after a while that it is a fraud, but it takes time, and these calls typically charge absurd fees/tuition that mount up quickly.

one of the worst facts of this whole situation is that these schools literally prey on the poor. Middle class kids know better than to go to these schools and go to real universities and then get real jobs, even if they have student loans. They may not be in the best situation, but they are not being defrauded.

These schools are literally run by con artists who target students who cannot accurately judge them.


I would like to add something that is really important here. The focus is currently on the diploma mills offering "degrees". The focus should be on trade/technical schools. Most if not all are for profit, with tuition that doesn't match the degree field. If this stands, expect to see those prices go up and tuition dwindle. It may chase decent hands on students into other non technical fields, or the military.
 
2017-12-12 07:14:44 AM  

Demetrius: Every day it's a contest with these shiatstains on humanity to see if they can be bigger douchebags than the day before.

Every day is a success.


 I've said it before, I'll say it again.  it's like somebody is setting up the US to implode.
 
2017-12-12 07:14:54 AM  

MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.


They would probably be better suited for a career in constructing straw men on Fark comment boards
 
2017-12-12 07:16:12 AM  

Resident Muslim: I've said it before, I'll say it again.  it's like somebody is setting up the US to implode.


or someone is determined to prove history doesn't repeat itself.
 
2017-12-12 07:18:25 AM  

Unobtanium: Gosh. If only there was something some defrauded students in one State could do about that today, or at least start something.


Gosh, if only those refund applications referenced in the article weren't the exact applications that are no longer being processed.
 
2017-12-12 07:18:28 AM  

eiger: MythDragon: You took out a massive loan to attend Fly By Night online college to study early 17th century accordion theory, and were totally suprised by lack of job prospects or the ability to transfer credits, and you want the government to take responsibility?

I don't think higher education is something you're really cut out for.

Yeah, that's what's happening.

Mostly we're talking about people who are first generation college students who are members of the working class and minorities. They literally have no idea how college works. Typically they are going back for vocational degrees, the kind of stuff conservatives supposedly love. However, the schools are literally fraudulent. They teach nothing in the classes and their "graduates" are completely unprepared to actually do the job they are studying for.

These are clear cases of FRAUD. The seller is lying about what they are selling and targeting people they know can't accurately judge the product.


Yeah, but it makes the libs mad, so I'm going to post disinformed, cruel opinions on FARK, then revel in my power by masturbating
 
2017-12-12 07:19:23 AM  

qorkfiend: Sean VasDeferens: This must have been the biggest "university" in the world with that many students.

Wasn't this all a scam with the "students" being willing participants?

Everyone who gets scammed is a "willing" participant. Do you believe that somehow makes it not fraud, or that the victims do not deserve restitution?


He's self conscious about his life as a "mark".
 
2017-12-12 07:19:29 AM  
When I was a kid, my parents couldn't help me with anything about college.  How to select one, how to apply (pre-internet applications even), how to fill out the forms, what are reasonable expenses vs unreasonable ones, etc.  They didn't know, they'd never done it.  I had to fumble through and teach myself and it did require lots of comparison and study and worry, but I had the time and the desire to get out of my parents' home badly enough.  I can't fault someone for not being able to decipher what it means to enroll in a college with a 30% graduation rate VS a 30% transfer rate or even private over public.  Is it really reasonable to borrow 5k a semester just for housing?  As a kid or even an uneducated adult, you want to trust that the people in education (with all the symbolism that implies) won't willingly screw you over if you make some missteps.  

That's completely incorrect of course and I am going to be as involved n my kids' college applications as a leopard eating a disabled Republican's face.  I owe that to my kids and hell, I'd do it for any of you farkers or your kids to save some grief and expense later.
 
2017-12-12 07:19:39 AM  
Just from the fact that they chose to spend huge money at this particular school leads me to believe that many might be potential Trump voters.

So FARK YOU
 
2017-12-12 07:21:37 AM  
I don't think this discussion went the way MythDragon thought it was gonna go....
 
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