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(BBC)   That's one way to win an election. Not a very SUBTLE way, though   ( bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2017-12-11 12:00:44 AM  
Trump seen taking notes...
 
2017-12-11 12:21:00 AM  
Venezuela: the example of how NOT to do things. All of that potential oil money. Everything done wrong.
 
2017-12-11 12:47:08 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...


Like he'd actually be able to follow through on anything without putting his foot up his own ass.

/and even then, he'd fail at that.
 
2017-12-11 01:39:53 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...


You should see a psychiatrist to deal with your acute TDS.
 
2017-12-11 01:40:56 AM  
Well, if Trump was actually literate, I would write that he is taking notes.
 
2017-12-11 01:41:35 AM  
Okay, rule changing is one thing, but if your oppositional party isn't trying to fill local offices with oppositional office holders, what makes you think winning the vote would actually change anything?
 
2017-12-11 01:53:55 AM  

OgreMagi: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...

You should see a psychiatrist to deal with your acute TDS.


So you don't believe the President doesn't have authoritarian leanings and wishers? Not even teeny tiny ones?
 
2017-12-11 02:00:55 AM  
The subtle way to do this is like Singapore or North Korea. Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance. North Korea has an official opposition(?) party (I guess more of a second party) that certain people have to join and it has certain defined roles.

In Asia they know how to run a one party state without running a one party state. Even Japan, over the past few years they've strangled the free press by subtle government pressure on news networks to fire vocal opponents of the LDP.

We've had shades of it in the US, the whole embedded reporters thing during the Bush era was really a propaganda ploy. But rather than killing the opposition we have Weeners the post voting, voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have two parties with fundamentally similar economic and social ideas, just different degrees of how much they want to screw everyone. That's breaking down as active racism has once again become socially acceptable.
 
2017-12-11 02:01:25 AM  

OgreMagi: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...

You should see a psychiatrist to deal with your acute TDS.


Oh please, you know damn well if someone were to suggest this to Trump he'd be all over it.
 
2017-12-11 02:01:44 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: wildcardjack: Okay, rule changing is one thing, but if your oppositional party isn't trying to fill local offices with oppositional office holders, what makes you think winning the vote would actually change anything?

He's rigged votes in the past, hence the boycott.

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An odd choice to add in, but a boycott makes it soe they don't even have to rig the votes. Run and document every bit of vote rigging until they kill your visible party leadership, and run again until the UN sends observers, and then after that reformer gets assassinated and things cool off in the reformed era, then you step out of the shadows and become the next dictator for life. You'll make saints out of the dead reformers you puppeted, and rig the election in entirely new ways. But you'll farking fix the problem of centralized pricing by letting the market free, if not easy.
 
2017-12-11 02:06:45 AM  

adamatari: The subtle way to do this is like Singapore or North Korea. Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance. North Korea has an official opposition(?) party (I guess more of a second party) that certain people have to join and it has certain defined roles.

In Asia they know how to run a one party state without running a one party state. Even Japan, over the past few years they've strangled the free press by subtle government pressure on news networks to fire vocal opponents of the LDP.

We've had shades of it in the US, the whole embedded reporters thing during the Bush era was really a propaganda ploy. But rather than killing the opposition we have Weeners the post voting, voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have two parties with fundamentally similar economic and social ideas, just different degrees of how much they want to screw everyone. That's breaking down as active racism has once again become socially acceptable.


I'm beginning to think Fark should just instaban people for posting BSAB BS.  It's basically trolling since it's not even remotely true, and I refuse to believe that someone who can log into their Fark account, type out a comment, and hit the Add Comment button without fatally injuring themselves is too intelligent to actually believe "HURR DURR REPUBS AND DEMS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME".
 
2017-12-11 02:10:14 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: adamatari: The subtle way to do this is like Singapore or North Korea. Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance. North Korea has an official opposition(?) party (I guess more of a second party) that certain people have to join and it has certain defined roles.

In Asia they know how to run a one party state without running a one party state. Even Japan, over the past few years they've strangled the free press by subtle government pressure on news networks to fire vocal opponents of the LDP.

We've had shades of it in the US, the whole embedded reporters thing during the Bush era was really a propaganda ploy. But rather than killing the opposition we have Weeners the post voting, voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have two parties with fundamentally similar economic and social ideas, just different degrees of how much they want to screw everyone. That's breaking down as active racism has once again become socially acceptable.

I'm beginning to think Fark should just instaban people for posting BSAB BS.  It's basically trolling since it's not even remotely true, and I refuse to believe that someone who can log into their Fark account, type out a comment, and hit the Add Comment button without fatally injuring themselves isn't too intelligent to actually believe "HURR DURR REPUBS AND DEMS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME".


FTFM
 
2017-12-11 02:16:27 AM  

adamatari: Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance.


Singapore is regarded as the best run company in the world. But it's also small, and would be glad to see disagreers just go ahead and leave. I haven't looked into any problems there, but it's a friendly police state. I'm betting the closest they have to opposition are moralists, who can fark the right off.
 
2017-12-11 02:27:52 AM  
I wish Colombia would invade already. Bring back Gran Colombia.
 
2017-12-11 02:49:39 AM  

WorldCitizen: Venezuela: the example of how NOT to do things. All of that potential oil money. Everything done wrong.


The main problem is that they bet the farm on that oil money, just like Russia did, in the 90's and early 2000's. When oil prices collapsed, so did their economies. Russia's big enough that it's just a recession to them, but Venezuela... I'm surprised they haven't gone full French Revolution on the government.
 
2017-12-11 03:12:21 AM  
"It's not a very subtle way ... it's a SHIATTY way to win."

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2017-12-11 03:28:57 AM  

foxyshadis: WorldCitizen: Venezuela: the example of how NOT to do things. All of that potential oil money. Everything done wrong.

The main problem is that they bet the farm on that oil money, just like Russia did, in the 90's and early 2000's. When oil prices collapsed, so did their economies. Russia's big enough that it's just a recession to them, but Venezuela... I'm surprised they haven't gone full French Revolution on the government.


Yep. It was a matter of putting all their eggs into one basket. And then somehow building a house using that basket as the primary support, so when the eggs broke and the bottom fell out, everything went to shiat.

/Ok, that analogy was a little forced.
 
2017-12-11 04:26:16 AM  
I don't understand these kinds of moves.

Surely he must realise that he's now crossing the barrier from, "The people are farked but they'll move on under new leadership, in the meanwhile I'm now rich and I can retire anywhere I like and live happily the rest of my days in another country." to, "I'll stretch out a dictatorship for a bit longer then they'll force me out and I'll either spend the rest of my days in prison or be murdered horribly."
 
2017-12-11 04:56:21 AM  

dyhchong: I don't understand these kinds of moves.

Surely he must realise that he's now crossing the barrier from, "The people are farked but they'll move on under new leadership, in the meanwhile I'm now rich and I can retire anywhere I like and live happily the rest of my days in another country." to, "I'll stretch out a dictatorship for a bit longer then they'll force me out and I'll either spend the rest of my days in prison or be murdered horribly."


Same reason Ponzi schemers don't flee the country before the money runs out. The longer you keep it up, the harder it is to believe you'll ever fail.
 
2017-12-11 05:02:39 AM  
Free helicopter rides!
 
2017-12-11 05:06:23 AM  
Yeah. That guy is only leaving office dead.
 
2017-12-11 06:30:53 AM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...


Aaaaand we're done.

/i have no doubt whatsoever that "the democrat party" will be banned before he's out of office
 
2017-12-11 07:01:02 AM  
Venezuela is a conservative country because Madumbo is trying to conserve his power.

Check yer mates, confusarinos.
 
2017-12-11 07:18:15 AM  

OgreMagi: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...

You should see a psychiatrist to deal with your acute TDS.


Awww, lighten up, Francis.
 
2017-12-11 09:17:23 AM  

dyhchong: I don't understand these kinds of moves.

Surely he must realise that he's now crossing the barrier from, "The people are farked but they'll move on under new leadership, in the meanwhile I'm now rich and I can retire anywhere I like and live happily the rest of my days in another country." to, "I'll stretch out a dictatorship for a bit longer then they'll force me out and I'll either spend the rest of my days in prison or be murdered horribly."


Retirement prospects for ex-dictators are not what they used to be.  Consider what happened to Milosevic, Qaddafi, and a few others I could name.  There's no real incentive to give up power these days.
 
2017-12-11 09:58:12 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: wildcardjack: An odd choice to add in, but a boycott makes it soe they don't even have to rig the votes. Run and document every bit of vote rigging until they kill your visible party leadership, and run again until the UN sends observers, and then after that reformer gets assassinated and things cool off in the reformed era, then you step out of the shadows and become the next dictator for life. You'll make saints out of the dead reformers you puppeted, and rig the election in entirely new ways. But you'll farking fix the problem of centralized pricing by letting the market free, if not easy.

You know that the current dictator has to LET the UN observers in, right.


UN observers typically can't find their asses with both hands.  Even if they did given the countries they put in charge of things like civil rights they would likely pretend not to see anything anyway.
 
2017-12-11 10:42:39 AM  

dyhchong: I don't understand these kinds of moves.

Surely he must realise that he's now crossing the barrier from, "The people are farked but they'll move on under new leadership, in the meanwhile I'm now rich and I can retire anywhere I like and live happily the rest of my days in another country." to, "I'll stretch out a dictatorship for a bit longer then they'll force me out and I'll either spend the rest of my days in prison or be murdered horribly."


He's probably an idealist that believes what he says.

Seeing as he was a busdriver, my wild guess is that he had no education in particular. And since Chavez selected him as a successor, it has to be because Chavez thought that he would continue the line. Chavez wasn't stupid.
 
2017-12-11 10:48:19 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: adamatari: The subtle way to do this is like Singapore or North Korea. Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance. North Korea has an official opposition(?) party (I guess more of a second party) that certain people have to join and it has certain defined roles.

In Asia they know how to run a one party state without running a one party state. Even Japan, over the past few years they've strangled the free press by subtle government pressure on news networks to fire vocal opponents of the LDP.

We've had shades of it in the US, the whole embedded reporters thing during the Bush era was really a propaganda ploy. But rather than killing the opposition we have Weeners the post voting, voter suppression and gerrymandering. We have two parties with fundamentally similar economic and social ideas, just different degrees of how much they want to screw everyone. That's breaking down as active racism has once again become socially acceptable.

I'm beginning to think Fark should just instaban people for posting BSAB BS.  It's basically trolling since it's not even remotely true, and I refuse to believe that someone who can log into their Fark account, type out a comment, and hit the Add Comment button without fatally injuring themselves is too intelligent to actually believe "HURR DURR REPUBS AND DEMS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME".


This is ironic, coming in a thread about suppressing political parties.

/ I was going to ask some insightful question about the effectiveness of boycotting elections.
// Does anybody ever win by not showing up?
/// Ok, I mean, besides the bribery examples.
 
2017-12-11 11:19:35 AM  
CSB:
Playing Tropico  (The 1st one I think), and I wasn't doing so good with my approval ratings.  Something to do with high taxes, low job rates, poor infrastructure, and just generally being a dick to my people (you can't be a dictator without being a dick. It's right there in the name.)
Well some other guy decided to run for El Presidente after the people got tired of me postponing the elections. And that other guy was doing *really* well. So I had him jailed. Well some other guy decides *he* is gonna run against me. I had him jailed too. Then another guy throws his hat in. I had him shot in the street by my police force. Then another guy announces his candidacy. He was also shot. The next 3 were jailed, then two more shot, 2 more jailed, then 3 more shot. Another jailed, then I said fark it and just started my "You will always be shot if you run against me" policy.
Well apparently I wasn't well liked, because people still didn't get the message and kept opposing me. I was killing motherfarker left and right, but as soon as I had someone killed, somone else would take his place. Hell, I killed my opponent like 5 minutes before the election, and another guy said he was running, and he farking won. He literally announced his candidacy 5 minutes before the election, before the previous guy had even had his body dragged off the street, and he won. With like 97% of the vote...even though I tampered with the results to swing 10% in my favor. So I was removed from office and put in a tiny rowboat and kicked off my own island.
What the hell, I thought the whole point of being a dictator was if you didn't like the election results, you could just ignore them?
 
2017-12-11 12:24:46 PM  
You only need subtle when you care what the masses think.
 
2017-12-11 12:46:24 PM  
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2017-12-11 12:48:27 PM  
The amount of derp in this thread is amazing to me, but I suppose I shouldnt be surprised. Would Trump love to ban the opposition? Hell yes. Could he? Not a chance in the whole wide world, because despite the Cheeto-faced one's best efforts, the US still has a fully functional system of checks and balances in place. US institutions are far more robust than most people give them credit for. Can they be manipulated to an extent? Of course. But they can't be re-written wholesale in the manner that Maduro has done to the courts and legislature.

The bottom line is that Trump is a colossal idiot and authoritarian nutsack, but people in the US are waaaay too freaked out over the amount of power they perceive him to have. Except for the whole "nuclear strike" thing. That freaks me right the hell out.
 
2017-12-11 02:29:58 PM  
What? No funny votes for That Guy What Stole the Bacon?

Come on guys.

He says what we are all thinking. And he did it in the second post minus one.
 
2017-12-11 03:27:21 PM  

brantgoose: What? No funny votes for That Guy What Stole the Bacon?

Come on guys.

He says what we are all thinking. And he did it in the second post minus one.


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2017-12-11 03:27:49 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: brantgoose: What? No funny votes for That Guy What Stole the Bacon?

Come on guys.

He says what we are all thinking. And he did it in the second post minus one.

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The hell? Why did that triple post?
 
2017-12-11 03:57:23 PM  

WorldCitizen: Venezuela: the example of how NOT to do things. All of that potential oil money. Everything done wrong.


Socialists with resource money is like a redneck that wins the lottery.  They go back to being poor quickly.
 
2017-12-11 04:19:36 PM  

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...


Trump learned a lot from Hillary the way she rigged the Democratic nomination.  Now he'll learn from the varsity.
/ Bernie Sanders is seen saying "super delegates my *ss!"
 
2017-12-11 04:43:44 PM  

DRTFA: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Trump seen taking notes...

Trump learned a lot from Hillary the way she rigged the Democratic nomination.  Now he'll learn from the varsity.
/ Bernie Sanders is seen saying "super delegates my *ss!"


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2017-12-11 09:22:55 PM  

wildcardjack: adamatari: Singapore does it by social stigma - the opposition exists and has freedom of speech but is so socially marginalized that it will never have a chance.

Singapore is regarded as the best run company in the world. But it's also small, and would be glad to see disagreers just go ahead and leave. I haven't looked into any problems there, but it's a friendly police state. I'm betting the closest they have to opposition are moralists, who can fark the right off.


A company with its own murderers and torturers.  Singapore isn't well run, it wouldn't be well run as a company, and it's one of the worst-run countries in the world.

It's a totalitarian one-party state that keeps the streets clean.  It's an international tax evasion state, it has a very low corporate tax rate with lots of loopholes, and it doesn't tax capital gains at all.  It's institutionally corrupt, with a system designed to profit oligarchs.  And it has one of the least free presses in the world.

No, Singapore is a disaster with money.
 
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