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(NewBostonPost)   Law Professor to Students : If you ever begin a statement with the words "I feel", before continuing you must cluck like a chicken   ( newbostonpost.com) divider line
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2017-12-07 03:21:17 PM  
A personal war against a suffix seems like an odd rhetorical hill to die on.
 
2017-12-07 03:26:07 PM  

thisispete: A personal war against a suffix seems like an odd rhetorical hill to die on.


If that is all you took away from tfa,

you may want to take the advice of the author and learn to think  start pulling some of those "mental weeds".
 
2017-12-07 03:27:29 PM  
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No problem!
 
2017-12-07 03:31:22 PM  
They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison

You're a farking lawyer. You're not even a lawyer, you're a law "teacher". What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?
 
2017-12-07 03:50:02 PM  

Mugato: What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?


What business does a teacher have with a student's mind?

Um...
 
2017-12-07 03:51:18 PM  
"I feels..."
 
2017-12-07 04:09:02 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Mugato: What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?

What business does a teacher have with a student's mind?

Um...


A law teacher? Not much.
 
2017-12-07 04:09:08 PM  
I will say, that when you read professional writing that contains emotional language like that I want to gag as well. Who effin cares, make your point and move on. The way it made you feel is irrelevant.

/Not exactly "Fark Your Feelings," but fark your feelings.
 
2017-12-07 04:12:35 PM  

Mugato: Lando Lincoln: Mugato: What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?

What business does a teacher have with a student's mind?

Um...

A law teacher? Not much.


Yeah, okay then.
 
2017-12-07 04:36:11 PM  
He has a point. Look at the trouble Al Franken got into.
 
2017-12-07 04:36:48 PM  
I'm the Devil of Hell's Kitchen.
 
2017-12-07 04:36:52 PM  
West Side Story-I Feel Pretty
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2017-12-07 04:38:19 PM  
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2017-12-07 04:38:27 PM  

Mikey1969: [YouTube video: West Side Story-I Feel Pretty]


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2017-12-07 04:38:32 PM  
Title?  "Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials".

I'm trying real, real hard to not [stoppedreadingthere.jpg].  Gonna muscle through it and browse TFA.  I'll be back if there was anything not obviously bait and also worth reacting to.
 
2017-12-07 04:40:09 PM  
I would have said "I feel" all the time just so I could make animal noises all class, sounds fun!!!
 
2017-12-07 04:40:14 PM  
That was ... surprisingly well reasoned.  I had an English teacher once who forbid us from using the verb "to be" in any form on essays that semester.  She did a poor job of explaining it, but the purpose of the exercise was to force us to adapt to the arbitrary rule and thereby explore other forms of expression, particularly action verbs.  I like that the man doesn't totally discredit the -isms: he appears to argue that he feels (heh) that his students won't understand them or see their value unless they are forced to work without them.

All in all ... yeah, if it is just for a semester that's fair.
 
2017-12-07 04:40:19 PM  

Mugato: They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison

You're a farking lawyer. You're not even a lawyer, you're a law "teacher". What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?


A law teacher at a Christian university with a chip on his shoulder.
 
2017-12-07 04:41:15 PM  
Hey, professor: It's not just "Millennials" who need to be disabused of the notion that the way they feel is the most important thing.
 
2017-12-07 04:41:27 PM  

Mikey1969: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/L7BQRGXF​LJs]


Someone with more talent than I have, needs to edit that video to include clucking.
 
2017-12-07 04:42:15 PM  
I feel...sick.

*vomits while clucking*
 
2017-12-07 04:43:12 PM  

Jaymark108: Title?  "Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials".

I'm trying real, real hard to not [stoppedreadingthere.jpg].  Gonna muscle through it and browse TFA.  I'll be back if there was anything not obviously bait and also worth reacting to.


Yeah, the article is actually addressing that knee-jerk reaction.
 
2017-12-07 04:44:31 PM  
Huh. What a surprising perspective from a middle-aged white male Tea Party supporter from a religious college in the South.
 
2017-12-07 04:45:02 PM  
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2017-12-07 04:45:20 PM  

Mugato: Lando Lincoln: Mugato: What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?

What business does a teacher have with a student's mind?

Um...

A law teacher? Not much.


And if you have any say in it, he never will.
 
2017-12-07 04:45:26 PM  
Good on him.  Everyone has a story about a teacher who actually made them learn something, rather than just taught a class.

I hope.
 
2017-12-07 04:45:41 PM  
Before I can teach you how to reason, I must first teach you how to rid yourself of unreason. For many of you have not yet been educated. You have been dis-educated. To put it bluntly, you have been indoctrinated. Before you learn how to think you must first learn how to stop unthinking.

Holy hell...why isn't there a button in Chrome that allows me to deliver a nut-punch to someone in the past?
 
2017-12-07 04:46:50 PM  
What if someone starts a sentence with "The way I see it"?
They don't really 'see' anything. They are thinking.

My understanding is that our minds work in different way, some visual, some cognitive and some emotional.
 
2017-12-07 04:47:03 PM  
🎶 I feel like chicken tonight, like chicken tonight. 🎶
 
2017-12-07 04:47:10 PM  
"Foundations Of Law" for 1Ls? lol 4th-tier
 
2017-12-07 04:47:22 PM  
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2017-12-07 04:47:51 PM  
Ah, the law school attached to my alma mater; a school so fundamentalist that as a former southern baptist I was considered liberal. Man do I not miss that place.
 
2017-12-07 04:48:53 PM  

Mugato: They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison

You're a farking lawyer. You're not even a lawyer, you're a law "teacher". What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?


And all this time, I had listened to the words of En Vogue, and I believed.
I BELIEVED THEM, MAN.
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2017-12-07 04:49:08 PM  
The scariest professor I ever had was the late Karl Joachim Weintraub, and nothing would set him off more predictably than a student maintaining that a person "felt" something when the word should be "thought."  That applied to both a student's own thoughts/feelings and, more often, those of the authors we were discussing. I learned the lesson and have kept it in mind for 25+ years since. All of the verbal laziness described in TFA probably would have elicited a harsh reaction.

That dude was one scary teacher, the kind who makes you say "now I know why they killed Socrates." (And yet, despite his outward harshness, he was a very fair grader. Which partially explains why his classes were so popular, as noted in the wiki page I linked.)
 
2017-12-07 04:49:24 PM  
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2017-12-07 04:50:18 PM  
Gray areas.

They exist.

They seem to make a lot of people very uncomfortable. Many would like to overlook them.

But in reality, much of what we experience falls into a moral, ethical, sociopolitical, gray area.
 
2017-12-07 04:51:56 PM  

gameshowhost: "Foundations Of Law" for 1Ls? lol 4th-tier


Eh, sounds like the "Elements of Law" class that a lot of law schools teach. It's true that Jones School of Law is dumpster fire tier, but not because of that course.

Even schools like Chicago require it for 1Ls.
 
2017-12-07 04:52:21 PM  

Mugato: They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison

You're a farking lawyer. You're not even a lawyer, you're a law "teacher". What business do you have lecturing other people about their minds?


I learned not to say things like "I feel; I believe; it appears; etc" from my lawyer.  And he was right.  The real world isn't a therapy session.

You can talk that way with your friends and family all you want, but when it comes time for the push and shove, anyone that has used that phraseology against someone that has not is at a serious disadvantage.
 
2017-12-07 04:52:27 PM  
That's a lot of words to say keep an open mind and think before you speak.
 
2017-12-07 04:52:50 PM  

Kegluneq: That was ... surprisingly well reasoned.  I had an English teacher once who forbid us from using the verb "to be" in any form on essays that semester.  She did a poor job of explaining it, but the purpose of the exercise was to force us to adapt to the arbitrary rule and thereby explore other forms of expression, particularly action verbs.  I like that the man doesn't totally discredit the -isms: he appears to argue that he feels (heh) that his students won't understand them or see their value unless they are forced to work without them.

All in all ... yeah, if it is just for a semester that's fair.


Well reasoned, if you accept deliberately misconstruing the social concepts of diversity and equality in terms of mathematical antitheses as "reasoning."
 
2017-12-07 04:53:12 PM  
I will say from the way the speech reads, the article's author made the jump to "must be a millennial thing" as I've seen that one when I was in school.

The guy reminds me of one of my favorite college instructors who taught "Theory of American Government".  He was very strict that any argument had to have evidentiary, logical, and/or secular support.  He then went on to hit a lot of hot button topics and would get rather upset if you did not have a logic or debate class prior to his course to "calibrate your human animal to something useful or at least not odious to Socrates."

If you are arguing from pathos and pathos alone, you are a braying animal by and large.  I will give both these men that point.  I would further posit that rational discourse follows from rational thought.
 
2017-12-07 04:54:11 PM  
a chicken could write a better article than this pile of shiat that was published for a pile of shiat website
 
2017-12-07 04:55:15 PM  
That article sums up nicely my observations about a staggering number of you chuckle-heads on a disturbingly regular basis.
 
2017-12-07 04:56:29 PM  

Jaymark108: Title?  "Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials".

I'm trying real, real hard to not [stoppedreadingthere.jpg].  Gonna muscle through it and browse TFA.  I'll be back if there was anything not obviously bait and also worth reacting to.


Don't bother. A law professor made a bunch of unsupported assertions. He thinks he's made a point, probably because he's worked for many years in a position where none of his opinions could be successfully challenged.
 
2017-12-07 04:57:08 PM  
The hub of conservative thought.

That explains it
 
2017-12-07 04:57:11 PM  

LoneWolf343: Jaymark108: Title?  "Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials".

I'm trying real, real hard to not [stoppedreadingthere.jpg].  Gonna muscle through it and browse TFA.  I'll be back if there was anything not obviously bait and also worth reacting to.

Yeah, the article is actually addressing that knee-jerk reaction.


The article is not really addressing it; it's mostly bait.  He sees the stereotypes he wants to see, and does a great job of knocking down strawman arguments that nobody holds.

For instance,
"you have been taught that we must have as much diversity as possible and that equality means that everyone must be made equal."

Followed by:
"For example, if slavery is inherently wrong, as I suspect we all think it is, then a diversity of views about the morality of slavery is worse than complete agreement that slavery is wrong."

simply indicates that Mr. Lawyer Teacher hasn't paid any attention to the connotation or meaning of diversity as used by people who fight for diversity.  He's tired of hearing isms (though apparently not the ones he agrees with like ageism), and he's super excited about having the power to make his class embarrass themselves for As.  "If you say the word of the day, you have to cluck like a chicken!"  Cool.  Story.  Bro.
 
2017-12-07 04:57:20 PM  

HappyGryphon: I will say from the way the speech reads, the article's author made the jump to "must be a millennial thing" as I've seen that one when I was in school.

The guy reminds me of one of my favorite college instructors who taught "Theory of American Government".  He was very strict that any argument had to have evidentiary, logical, and/or secular support.  He then went on to hit a lot of hot button topics and would get rather upset if you did not have a logic or debate class prior to his course to "calibrate your human animal to something useful or at least not odious to Socrates."

If you are arguing from pathos and pathos alone, you are a braying animal by and large.  I will give both these men that point.  I would further posit that rational discourse follows from rational thought.


He could lead by example, and provide data, citations, or other evidence to support any of his assertions . . .
 
2017-12-07 04:57:34 PM  

MurphyMurphy: thisispete: A personal war against a suffix seems like an odd rhetorical hill to die on.

If that is all you took away from tfa,

you may want to take the advice of the author and learn to think  start pulling some of those "mental weeds".


If your takeaway from the article was that this guy had a logical mind you might have some weeds to pull.  It's true that you have to agree on what a word means if you are going use it in a debate, but he isn't throwing out words like classism and racism because he can't define them, he's throwing them out because he doesn't like them and doesn't want to discuss how to use them.

And his 'equality and diversity' being polar opposites argument is B.S.  There are times when they come into conflict, but like a typical conservative he is assuming that who you are is how much education you have when you leave high school and how much money your parents give you.  Liberals realize that that isn't a fair starting point because many people have already been left behind culturally at that point.  Equality is giving everyone an equal chance, not an equal outcome, but one of the fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives is liberals want to try to give a foot up to people, who through no fault of their own, didn't get as good a start at life, but who have the potential, as adults to catch up.  Conservatism is, ultimately, just an extension of the divine right of kings.  A law teacher who isn't willing to discuss sexism as a thing is an idiot.

Diversity also serves other purposes.  There are good studies that show that different cultural perspectives actually improve the quality of work.  Different people look at the world differently, and having a mixed group improves the odds that someone will have the right perspective for your project.
 
2017-12-07 04:57:53 PM  
Yet another article written by a Baby Boomer complaining about Millennials ruining everything with their long hair and their love beads and their Beatle records.
 
2017-12-07 04:59:00 PM  

ElwoodCuse: a chicken could write a better article than this pile of shiat that was published for a pile of shiat website


A succinct summary of the internet since the late 90's.
 
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