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(The Times of India)   Apparently not even hiding what side they're on anymore, Pakistan issues order to shoot down US drones targeting terrorists   ( timesofindia.indiatimes.com) divider line
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2017-12-07 11:10:59 AM  
I think OBL's demise pretty well documented whose side they are on.
 
2017-12-07 11:11:52 AM  
Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.
 
2017-12-07 11:15:26 AM  
Pakistan is on Pakistans side.  Always have been.
 
2017-12-07 11:24:54 AM  

rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.


More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.
 
2017-12-07 11:27:17 AM  
To be fair, would we be comfortable with someone flying robots into our country and blowing people up on their say so alone?  Certainly if Putin were doing it, Republicans would be all for it, but most people would be pretty against it...
 
2017-12-07 11:31:52 AM  
What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world
 
2017-12-07 11:47:13 AM  

Psychopusher: More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.


We give twice as much to Israel, and they fark us over on a daily basis.
 
2017-12-07 11:49:15 AM  

sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world


Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.
 
2017-12-07 11:52:59 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Psychopusher: More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

We give twice as much to Israel, and they fark us over on a daily basis.


I think the bigger issue is that we are not coordinating with them in any meaningful way.  Using the OBL example, we didn't even tell them we would be flying a manned military mission into their country.  Bad penetration, no reach around!

Now, the other side can argue that the Pakistani military / government would have sold us out to OBL and he would have bolted... I don't think that is justification for the attack as much as it is an incentive to reappraise our relationship with Pakistan.
 
2017-12-07 11:53:32 AM  
That webpage should be shot down.
 
2017-12-07 11:54:59 AM  

Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.


The amount of aid the U.S. gives isn't a metric for how much we're allowed to violet their sovereign rights as a country.
 
2017-12-07 11:56:23 AM  
Trump stopped hiding what side we're on, so...

/this is why Diplomacy is useful
 
2017-12-07 11:56:46 AM  
Wake me up when they start doing that.

They've done this before.  Make public declarations against the US air strikes while privately coordinating it and authorizing strikes.
 
2017-12-07 11:57:49 AM  
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2017-12-07 11:58:50 AM  

Rucker10: Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

The amount of aid the U.S. gives isn't a metric for how much we're allowed to violet their sovereign rights as a country.


What if we want to mauve their sovereign rights?
 
2017-12-07 11:59:19 AM  
It's more like shoot down any drones and just presume they are US.
 
2017-12-07 12:00:14 PM  
Apparently not even hiding what side they're on anymore, Farkers respond.
 
2017-12-07 12:00:29 PM  

sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world


Damn fairy tale fake religions.

Jews: I want Jerusalem,
RC's: no wait I want Jerusalem , this is where Jesus was born!
Muslims: Jerusalem belongs to Allah

Here's what I would do. Evacuate EVERYONE from Jerusalem, take all that is worthy, artifacts, historical stuff and then BOMB the crap out of it with a Nuclear bomb. Radiating the place for 100's of years.

Want Jerusalem now? Go right on ahead. Its all yours.

Its because of this farking stupid fairy tale religion shiat why there is all this terrorism in the world.
 
2017-12-07 12:00:32 PM  
Why shouldn't they?  Our drones have no business being over any other country.
 
2017-12-07 12:02:56 PM  
steklo:

Here's what I would do. Evacuate EVERYONE from Jerusalem, take all that is worthy, artifacts, historical stuff and then BOMB the crap out of it with a Nuclear bomb. Radiating the place for 100's of years.

Want Jerusalem now? Go right on ahead. Its all yours.

Its because of this farking stupid fairy tale religion shiat why there is all this terrorism in the world.


How very alt-right of you.  You just left out the glass parking lot that they so love to imagine.
 
2017-12-07 12:06:17 PM  
I can't remember - is Pakistan the country where US drones occasionally kill grandmas hanging out the laundry, or the one where little kids know not to play outside on clear sunny days because those are the days the drones are flying?
 
2017-12-07 12:06:19 PM  

Nogrhi: Rucker10: Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

The amount of aid the U.S. gives isn't a metric for how much we're allowed to violet their sovereign rights as a country.

What if we want to mauve their sovereign rights?


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2017-12-07 12:07:11 PM  

bigfatbuddhist: To be fair, would we be comfortable with someone flying robots into our country and blowing people up on their say so alone?  Certainly if Putin were doing it, Republicans would be all for it, but most people would be pretty against it...


To make it that much worse imagine the outrage if that other country accidentally killed some innocent people at the same time which happens frequently with drone strikes. Probably why you don't see any domestic strikes but on the other side of the world Hellfire missiles based on best guess intelligence are good to go.
 
2017-12-07 12:08:49 PM  
Why does Pakistan get all our drones while Amazon still delivers by truck?
 
2017-12-07 12:09:16 PM  

Rucker10: Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.

The amount of aid the U.S. gives isn't a metric for how much we're allowed to violet their sovereign rights as a country.


Well, no, of course not.  Not officially.  But you know, a little quid pro quo, right?  Knowhatimean?  Wink wink?
 
2017-12-07 12:10:20 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph: Apparently not even hiding what side they're on anymore, Farkers respond.

lol
 
2017-12-07 12:10:34 PM  
 You want Tomahawk Missiles? Because this is how you get Tomahawk Missiles.
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2017-12-07 12:10:59 PM  
Pakistan:
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2017-12-07 12:12:35 PM  
Pakistan has to make this kind of noise so they don't get ousted by their own competing extremists.  We make contrite noises in return - at least we used to - and the game keeps rolling along.
 
2017-12-07 12:13:30 PM  

Psychopusher: More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.


They've essentially allowed the terrorist hunting for over a decade, it's possible that recently the US has either become more lackadaisical in minimizing civilian casualties, or has strongly given that impression, making it politically untenable for the Pakistani government to continue with the status quo.
 
2017-12-07 12:15:00 PM  

KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.


1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.
 
2017-12-07 12:15:32 PM  
Ummm, not sure I blame them when you consider... linky.

/ I'm sure it's just fake news though
 
2017-12-07 12:19:40 PM  

rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.


Done in two.
 
2017-12-07 12:19:44 PM  

steklo: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Damn fairy tale fake religions.

Jews: I want Jerusalem,
RC's: no wait I want Jerusalem , this is where Jesus was born!
Muslims: Jerusalem belongs to Allah

Here's what I would do. Evacuate EVERYONE from Jerusalem, take all that is worthy, artifacts, historical stuff and then BOMB the crap out of it with a Nuclear bomb. Radiating the place for 100's of years.

Want Jerusalem now? Go right on ahead. Its all yours.

Its because of this farking stupid fairy tale religion shiat why there is all this terrorism in the world.


Years and years ago, when I was attending highschool, I had a substitute religious studies teacher tell me, privately, almost verbatim the the same thing, persistent fallout and all. I didn't tell anyone else at the time, because, holy shiatthat's not something you tell a tenth grader.

Well, maybe not back then, and certainly not at a Catholic highschool.

Years later, I'll admit, I sometimes remember that statement and all its perverse, Ozymandian logic. (I often refer to it when discussing how much I loathe Montreal's infrastructure - evacuate it, remove anything of cultural value, then shwack it from orbit and rebuild it in a manner benefiting sane urban planning practices...)

So I guess what I'm saying is, Mr. Tremblant, is that you?

//disclaimer - not an endorsement to remodel either the Middle East, or western Quebec, using nuclear demolition
 
2017-12-07 12:20:20 PM  

ChipNASA: You want Tomahawk Missiles? Because this is how you get Tomahawk Missiles.
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How would that improve anything?
 
2017-12-07 12:21:09 PM  

Psychopusher: rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.

More or less this.  But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.


Well, then take away the aid, or increase the diplomacy
I think it might be the latter rather than the former that is the real issue here
 
2017-12-07 12:21:10 PM  

rcain: Pakistan, like all other nations is a SOVERIEGN STATE. And the US has no right violating airspace or conducting military operations on their soil without the expressed permission of their government

Yes, I know this runs afoul of the typical American arrogance that thinks all nations are the biatches of the US.


You don't live here any more. What's it to you. Your opinion means shiat now.
 
2017-12-07 12:21:16 PM  

manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.


Almost hard to believe that you haven't single handedly solved the Middle East issues.
 
2017-12-07 12:21:17 PM  
Huh...they will expend the considerable resources to shoot down a drone but can't lift a finger to round up, or at least roust armed militants conducting unauthorized [by Pakistan] military operations from bases in Pakistan. Awesome.

What could possibly go wrong by allowing an embedded, active, largely foreign, loosely [not really] controlled military force to operate on Pakistani soil? It's not like they might regroup and organize a real action, with the protection of Pakistan, that would then force the U.S. to openly, brazenly invade and occupy Pakistan. It's not like the U.S. hasn't done that elsewhere in the last 20 years.

Posturing and puffery are fine for Pakistan to pretend. Actually taking proactive steps to protect and aid enemies actively at war with the U.S. puts them a step closer to really being at war with the U.S.

A little chest-thumping for a few weeks from Pakistan...the U.S. will continue to strike enemies wherever they may be. It doesn't pay to tangle with the U.S., in the long run.
 
2017-12-07 12:21:58 PM  

manhole: KarmicDisaster: sithon: What, you didn't think recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's Capital would have consequences did you? Trump has pissed off the entire Muslim world

Well, I'm Pretty Sure that is the idea Bannon had in doing this.

1999: Hillary campaigned that she would push for relocation of embassy - never did it, no problem, yay!
2008: Obama campaigned that he would move it - never did it, no problem, yay!
2016: Trump campaigned that he would move it - did it, tears for years.

Jerusalem was the capital of Israel before Islam. Get over it.


lol
 
2017-12-07 12:25:20 PM  
Drones: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube K4NRJoCNHIs
 
2017-12-07 12:25:39 PM  
As long as they don't cheese off India, we will be fine.
 
2017-12-07 12:25:56 PM  

Fishmongers' Daughters: I can't remember - is Pakistan the country where US drones occasionally kill grandmas hanging out the laundry, or the one where little kids know not to play outside on clear sunny days because those are the days the drones are flying?


What? You mean saying "oops" when you wipe out a wedding ceremony isn't enough?
 
2017-12-07 12:27:08 PM  

beezeltown: Huh...they will expend the considerable resources to shoot down a drone but can't lift a finger to round up, or at least roust armed militants conducting unauthorized [by Pakistan] military operations from bases in Pakistan. Awesome.

What could possibly go wrong by allowing an embedded, active, largely foreign, loosely [not really] controlled military force to operate on Pakistani soil? It's not like they might regroup and organize a real action, with the protection of Pakistan, that would then force the U.S. to openly, brazenly invade and occupy Pakistan. It's not like the U.S. hasn't done that elsewhere in the last 20 years.

Posturing and puffery are fine for Pakistan to pretend. Actually taking proactive steps to protect and aid enemies actively at war with the U.S. puts them a step closer to really being at war with the U.S.

A little chest-thumping for a few weeks from Pakistan...the U.S. will continue to strike enemies wherever they may be. It doesn't pay to tangle with the U.S., in the long run.


Probably because they have to walk the razor's edge when it comes to terrism.  Let the terrists do their thing and the US bombs the shiat out of your countryside. Kill too many terrists, and your citizenry revolts and you have a civil war inside a nuclear power.
 
2017-12-07 12:28:42 PM  

LL316: steklo:

Here's what I would do. Evacuate EVERYONE from Jerusalem, take all that is worthy, artifacts, historical stuff and then BOMB the crap out of it with a Nuclear bomb. Radiating the place for 100's of years.

Want Jerusalem now? Go right on ahead. Its all yours.

Its because of this farking stupid fairy tale religion shiat why there is all this terrorism in the world.

How very alt-right of you.  You just left out the glass parking lot that they so love to imagine.


Why do you use the term alt-right when you mean nazi?
 
2017-12-07 12:28:46 PM  

Nick Nostril: beezeltown: Huh...they will expend the considerable resources to shoot down a drone but can't lift a finger to round up, or at least roust armed militants conducting unauthorized [by Pakistan] military operations from bases in Pakistan. Awesome.

What could possibly go wrong by allowing an embedded, active, largely foreign, loosely [not really] controlled military force to operate on Pakistani soil? It's not like they might regroup and organize a real action, with the protection of Pakistan, that would then force the U.S. to openly, brazenly invade and occupy Pakistan. It's not like the U.S. hasn't done that elsewhere in the last 20 years.

Posturing and puffery are fine for Pakistan to pretend. Actually taking proactive steps to protect and aid enemies actively at war with the U.S. puts them a step closer to really being at war with the U.S.

A little chest-thumping for a few weeks from Pakistan...the U.S. will continue to strike enemies wherever they may be. It doesn't pay to tangle with the U.S., in the long run.

Probably because they have to walk the razor's edge when it comes to terrism.  Let the terrists do their thing and the US bombs the shiat out of your countryside. Kill too many terrists, and your citizenry revolts and you have a civil war inside a nuclear power.


What you're saying is that it is a complicated situation, and blatant chest thumping of America is great and can whatever we want might actually inflame the situation and lead to negative outcomes....

Sounds complicated, lets just drop some bombs.
 
2017-12-07 12:32:59 PM  

Psychopusher: But would think that the billions in aid the US gives to Pakistan would allow for some terrorist hunting consideration.


It might give the USA the right to *ask* if they can conduct military operations, yes. But no amount of money gives you the right to invade a foreign country and kill it's citizens without any warning.

Just imagine what Fox News would say if Pakistani troops invaded Iowa in search of some fugitive.
 
2017-12-07 12:36:16 PM  

mrsleep: Why do you use the term alt-right when you mean nazi?


synonym [sin-uh-nim]
noun
1.a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language2.a word or expression accepted as another name for something
 
2017-12-07 12:36:24 PM  
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Surprised this has not been played yet.  I'll just leave this here.
 
2017-12-07 12:37:17 PM  
I honestly can't believe it took them this long to finally put their foot down.  The U.S. has been conducting drone strikes in their airspace for over a decade, selecting targets on the intelligence that is questionable at best, and caring very little about collateral damage.  Pakistan is a Sovereign nation and has the right to protect its boarders.
 
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