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(War is Boring)   Russia's ICBM trains that were retired, and then unretired, have been un-unretired   ( warisboring.com) divider line
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2017-12-07 09:38:01 AM  
But, yeah. Their economy is working wonderfully, comrade.
 
2017-12-07 09:53:16 AM  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceke​e​per_Rail_Garrison

We almost had them too but decided against it.
 
2017-12-07 09:59:59 AM  
Reminds one of the original MX plan. Exceedingly expensive and completely unworkable.
 
2017-12-07 10:03:19 AM  
This thread is officially Santa approved.

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the fark?
 
2017-12-07 10:29:07 AM  
Possibly interesting side note: warisboring.com is blocked on Ikea's WiFi.
 
2017-12-07 10:30:48 AM  
Not sure how this is any worse than packing submarines and airplanes full of nukes like we do.

What's really disappointing is all the money spent on weapons that most likely will never get used. Such a waste of resources just to 'keep up with the Jones's'
 
2017-12-07 10:36:59 AM  
Russian stealth technology ensures that we'll never hear the ICBMs coming, thanks to the tires on the trains.
 
2017-12-07 10:38:08 AM  
Soon they will be re-re-re-retired

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2017-12-07 10:38:56 AM  
Who needs trains when you have subs?
 
2017-12-07 10:40:39 AM  

mrsleep: Not sure how this is any worse than packing submarines and airplanes full of nukes like we do.

What's really disappointing is all the money spent on weapons that most likely will never get used. Such a waste of resources just to 'keep up with the Jones's'


I agree it's pointless when you've got several submarines, but it's easier to move a train than a silo. These kinds of systems fark up the deterrence balance forcing the other side to develop a similar sneaky system. Also, your rail network should be used for moving supplies and people, not clogging up the basepaths with nuke trains.
 
2017-12-07 10:43:14 AM  

Catlenfell: Who needs trains when you have subs?


Argentina.
 
2017-12-07 10:49:25 AM  

Catlenfell: Who needs trains when you have subs?


Actually, the trains can offer better precision than subs. When the train is parked in one of its designated bunkers, its exact location is known to the launch system. Land-launched missiles can have a more precise trajectory than sub-launched. GPS guidance has improved navigation for both systems, though, and a sub can have a shorter distance of travel so it can gain some advantage from that.
 
2017-12-07 11:18:02 AM  

WelldeadLink: Catlenfell: Who needs trains when you have subs?

Actually, the trains can offer better precision than subs. When the train is parked in one of its designated bunkers, its exact location is known to the launch system. Land-launched missiles can have a more precise trajectory than sub-launched. GPS guidance has improved navigation for both systems, though, and a sub can have a shorter distance of travel so it can gain some advantage from that.


Submarines also have the advantage of being a lot harder to find and destroy than land based platforms.
 
2017-12-07 11:19:46 AM  
I just want to know if the crew while rolling through Siberia would sing "What would happen if the train should stop?"
 
2017-12-07 11:25:39 AM  

nekom: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceke​e​per_Rail_Garrison

We almost had them too but decided against it.


You can visit one of the two built. Even though at first glance it looks like any old box car, you can tell that there are significant differences.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visi​t​/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/A​rticle/197554/peacekeeper-rail-garriso​n-car/
 
2017-12-07 12:12:01 PM  
Putting your ICBM launcher on your rail network is kind of limiting. What if you had a launch vehicle that could go anywhere on land, across all terrain?

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Naturally it should be able to defend itself in case some jerk with a rocket launcher gets too close.

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2017-12-07 12:59:39 PM  
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2017-12-07 01:01:14 PM  
I always thought the missile trucks were a lot easier to conceal, protect and deploy than a train.
 
2017-12-07 01:03:02 PM  

WelldeadLink: Russian stealth technology ensures that we'll never hear the ICBMs coming, thanks to the tires on the trains.


Yeah, the trains that can run on roads, seems like some potentially interesting tech to take away from that.

I can't really think how that would be useful, but hey.
 
2017-12-07 01:35:42 PM  
...pulled by Thomas the Tank Engine.
 
2017-12-07 01:43:07 PM  

gopher321: This thread is officially Santa approved.

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the fark?


Santa is called DED MOROZ in Russia.
/ominous sounding
 
2017-12-07 02:13:24 PM  
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So... this business is in control, and we'd be unlucky to die through it?
 
2017-12-07 02:18:25 PM  

AdamK: I always thought the missile trucks were a lot easier to conceal, protect and deploy than a train.


Having worked with Pershing during the 80's I can tell you that they were easy to work with at the launch location but a bear when you left. Our site had three pads with three missiles each. Our mission was that after we launched we would drop the erector booms, hook up the cab to the trailers, load up all gear and haul ass out to the woods where we would be reloaded and ready to launch again. Parking one of those beasts in uneven terrain and hooking up the generator, launch cab, cables, hoses, maneuvering the wrecker, etc. was a pain in the ass.

We knew that we would not be first strike so we would be sending a retaliatory salvo while missiles were heading our way. That meant that we had at most 10 minutes from alert to our launch before we were turned to vapor so there was no way we would have time to get out of the blast zone for round 2.
 
2017-12-07 03:17:08 PM  
I still support the concept of the ICBMW
/Inter Continental Ballistic Missile Winnebago
 
2017-12-07 04:25:43 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: I still support the concept of the ICBMW
/Inter Continental Ballistic Missile Winnebago


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2017-12-07 06:53:25 PM  
The ultimate weapon would be a train car with an ICBM engine attached to it. Inside the train car is the missile. When it's time to go to war, the engine ignites, hurtling the train car at insane speeds down the track. Then wings are deployed so the train car takes flight. Upon reaching the ocean, the train car wings detach and it turns into a submarine. Once it's close enough to the target, it launches the missile.

There, you have all the advantages of a nuclear triad in one vehicle. And the best part is the enemy can't tell what's the nuclear vehicle and what's a random train car until it's too late.
 
2017-12-07 08:13:38 PM  
There is also the problem that the missile cars weighed 520,000 lbs and most rail bridges max out around half that.
 
2017-12-08 02:28:17 AM  

WelldeadLink: Catlenfell: Who needs trains when you have subs?

Actually, the trains can offer better precision than subs. When the train is parked in one of its designated bunkers, its exact location is known to the launch system. Land-launched missiles can have a more precise trajectory than sub-launched. GPS guidance has improved navigation for both systems, though, and a sub can have a shorter distance of travel so it can gain some advantage from that.


We are talking nukes right? I mean I know accuracy still counts but we're not exactly talking about dropping a nuke down a chimney.
 
2017-12-08 07:40:35 AM  
A sub still knows its exact position when it launches, and trajectories are calculated from that.   They're not in any way "firing blind".
 
2017-12-08 08:27:29 AM  
The wheels on the train go round and round
round and round
round and round
all through the

BOOM!
 
2017-12-08 10:20:37 AM  
This will require more training.
 
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