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(Twitter)   Bud McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor who sold arms to the contras and pleaded guilty -- was in the middle of the Mayflower Hotel meeting Mueller's investigating. And so was Mike Flynn, so it was like a double criminal NSA bonanza   ( twitter.com) divider line
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2017-12-07 12:15:12 AM  
29 votes:
I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?
2017-12-07 01:16:40 AM  
17 votes:
Let's look at the wording:

ADDITIONAL SOURCES 4/ Is this related? Don't know. But it a) doesn't fit established patterns [CITATION, PLEASE] and b) involves key players in the theory of the case, and so must be looked at seriously by Mueller and Congress [editorialization]. Maybe Mueller asked Jared about it 2 weeks ago. [conjecture].

It's not news until you have at least one or two other journalists on it, making sure your declaration is credible, and an editorial staff that would never run the story because it's irresponsible to do so without concrete evidence.

I want to see trump fry and squeal like a pig, but not at the cost of a free press with high journalistic standards. Twitter is what the 4th Estate becomes when people only follow the people who reinforce their fear, hate, and delusions. Bad reporting foments cultism. Deep state! Fake News! etc. What good is a free press if nobody is held to a standard of accountability?

Twitter accounts are not news. Period. If you could go back in time to about 1968 and show Walter Cronkite the power of Twitter and Facebook, he would probably blow his f*cking brains out.
2017-12-07 02:15:27 AM  
16 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?


On the bright side ever since we've started linking heavily to Twitter the incidence of derptastic right-wing links has dropped precipitously. Not sure if there's a connection, but if there is one I'll take the trade off.
2017-12-07 05:04:53 AM  
12 votes:
Can't Seth Abramson compile all his farking tweets into one user-friendly blog or some shiat even if he does Tweet it out?
/I farking hate Twitter, Rodney D. don't get me started
2017-12-07 06:47:44 AM  
9 votes:
Twitter is now a news site?
Wow, You people who pay for fark are suckers.
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2017-12-07 08:08:39 AM  
6 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: he could reveal the secrets of the universe, i'm not reading it in this format


"I don't need no fancy book learnin'!"

Refusing information because of the format doesn't make you any less willfully ignorant than those who spout the above, you know.

https://threadreaderapp.com
2017-12-07 06:13:57 AM  
6 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?


you sound old.
2017-12-07 05:11:22 AM  
5 votes:
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2017 is bringing back all the hits from the '70s and '80s.
2017-12-07 12:34:30 AM  
5 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason.



Ass-u-me-ing you read the full post I would still figure this may be news worthy for discussion.

/hint  its not what you see(m)
2017-12-07 07:26:47 AM  
4 votes:
The unmasking happened simply because there was a massive security threat to the National Security of the United States. And the American people elected that security threat to the highest office in the land.

Fin
2017-12-07 06:28:30 AM  
4 votes:

berylman: itcamefromschenectady: There's a site that does that, but I can't be bothered to find it for you
Seriouslythough, what enables you to view all of one person's Tweets into a flowing document? Don't be an ass about it.
...


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/93​8​568775695323141

Threadreaderapp.
2017-12-07 08:44:42 AM  
3 votes:
Again, "I'd rather stay ignorant than use a form of learning I don't like"

The thread reader app is just for those who want a blog page to make it more convenient or those who learn better that way.  Many are just fine with the source.  I'm not a fan of the way it's presented either, but the information contained is worth it. I have a friend that's dyslexic.  He uses books on tape rather than not read. He has a physical reason why he can't do one, but instead of complaining that he's not being pandered to and just pouting, he uses a different method to get the information.  Same thing here. Don't like one way?  Use another, there's many provided.  Hell, download a free screen reader program. A tiny bit of effort into educating yourself isn't too much to ask.
2017-12-07 07:57:10 AM  
3 votes:
twitter is fine if you have a little to say

if you try to post a 1000 word analysis, maybe it's time to get a real place to post it then tweet a link

he could reveal the secrets of the universe, i'm not reading it in this format
2017-12-07 07:36:02 AM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Let's look at the wording:

ADDITIONAL SOURCES 4/ Is this related? Don't know. But it a) doesn't fit established patterns [CITATION, PLEASE] and b) involves key players in the theory of the case, and so must be looked at seriously by Mueller and Congress [editorialization]. Maybe Mueller asked Jared about it 2 weeks ago. [conjecture].

It's not news until you have at least one or two other journalists on it, making sure your declaration is credible, and an editorial staff that would never run the story because it's irresponsible to do so without concrete evidence.

I want to see trump fry and squeal like a pig, but not at the cost of a free press with high journalistic standards. Twitter is what the 4th Estate becomes when people only follow the people who reinforce their fear, hate, and delusions. Bad reporting foments cultism. Deep state! Fake News! etc. What good is a free press if nobody is held to a standard of accountability?

Twitter accounts are not news. Period. If you could go back in time to about 1968 and show Walter Cronkite the power of Twitter and Facebook, he would probably blow his f*cking brains out.


He's not reporting things as if he discovered them, he's not being a journalist.  He's taking the news others have dug up, and is trying to show how all the pieces fit together.  Yes, he has speculation, and he clearly labels those things as such, he's not trying to trick you or just present things he's inferring as fact.  He's an investigative lawyer showing how a lawyer thinks and that does require speculation, an investigation is like a puzzle, and if you want to put the pieces together you have to imagine what the picture you're making is, not just react to trying to cram pieces together. That also allows you not only to know where to go looking and what to look for, but also to know what not to look for or those things that are significant by their absence. It's not some partisan high-school graduate saying "this one story means this person is guilty" and taking huge leaps of faith. He's trying to take all the publicly available evidence and apply a prosecutors look at it, which requires a level of knowledge, time, and experience the vast majority of the public doesn't have.  I mean, look at the number of actions spanning over a year that this same group of people have done.

He's not a journalist, think of his like the "Experts" the news have on to explain a topic, but giving him as much time as he needs to fully explain things.  He's not giving you a soundbite, he's not trying to sway you into anything, he's presenting links, sources, keeping tabs of the tons of names and events that's too much for virtually everyone else to remember and put together.  I love reading his stuff, because it's fascinating how pieces I didn't see or didn't remember suddenly fit into place.
2017-12-07 06:54:02 AM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?


C'mon, it's not just Twitter mirrored on a message board. . .

You've also got the Drewgs, those "Posters with Different Opinions" there to make sure civilized discussion doesn't happen and threads degenerate into arguments and don't accidentally break out into reasoned and civilized discussion.
2017-12-07 05:59:44 AM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Let's look at the wording:

ADDITIONAL SOURCES 4/ Is this related? Don't know. But it a) doesn't fit established patterns [CITATION, PLEASE] and b) involves key players in the theory of the case, and so must be looked at seriously by Mueller and Congress [editorialization]. Maybe Mueller asked Jared about it 2 weeks ago. [conjecture].

It's not news until you have at least one or two other journalists on it, making sure your declaration is credible, and an editorial staff that would never run the story because it's irresponsible to do so without concrete evidence.

I want to see trump fry and squeal like a pig, but not at the cost of a free press with high journalistic standards. Twitter is what the 4th Estate becomes when people only follow the people who reinforce their fear, hate, and delusions. Bad reporting foments cultism. Deep state! Fake News! etc. What good is a free press if nobody is held to a standard of accountability?

Twitter accounts are not news. Period. If you could go back in time to about 1968 and show Walter Cronkite the power of Twitter and Facebook, he would probably blow his f*cking brains out.


As conspiracy theorists go, Seth has decent credentials and has been ahead of the game on the Trump investigation.   I think he deserves a pass on some minor admitted speculation as the story develops.  TV News does the same thing these days (unfortunately.)  Everyone wants to be first with a scoop and initial reports even on TV are scant on details and often wrong -- like the Boston bomber situation among others.

I hate the Twitter format, and I generally think Twitter is for twits;  but I've enjoyed Seth's investigative reporting and legal analysis.  If it were anyone else, I might say he's reaching in some cases, but he's experienced in legal investigations and his analysis so far has been uncannily accurate as others confirm his speculation time and time again.
2017-12-07 05:33:13 AM  
3 votes:
I looked all over for McFarlane's name, but saw it only in the Fark headline. What am I missing?
2017-12-07 11:00:00 AM  
2 votes:
Man, these guys REALLY like committing treason.  Under multiple administrations.
2017-12-07 07:53:00 AM  
2 votes:
7/ During his speech, with Sergey Kislyak and Bud McFarlane in the front rows, Trump promised Russia "a good deal"-in context, on sanctions-and said that the U.S. could work with Russia to combat terrorism. The speech was co-written by Richard Burt-a Russian pipeline advocate.

8/ After pleading guilty to four misdemeanors in the speaking-with-a-hostile-government scandal known as "Iran-Contra," McFarlane was investigated by federal law enforcement in '13 for covertly speaking with Sudan-a hostile government. Like Burt, he's a Russian pipeline advocate.

9/ Atop this thread, McFarlane is pictured with Kislyak returning to his seat at the Mayflower following the VIP event. This feed was first to identify him as having attended the Mayflower event and VIP hour. What's that ceremonial curved sword someone gifted him? We don't know.

10/ What we *do* know is that McFarlane helped get K.T. McFarland-his mentee and friend-a NatSec job with the Trump administration many at the time thought her under-qualified and ill-equipped for. Here's McFarlane at Trump Tower with Michael Flynn and K.T. McFarland in December.

11/ The Trump Tower meeting occurred the first week of December, as the Rosneft deal-involving players in Russia, Italy, and Singapore, with the Philippines as a beneficiary-was closing. After Flynn was fired, Trump nominated McFarland-Flynn's deputy-for ambassador to Singapore.

12/ We now have a pretty good idea why Bud McFarlane was at Trump Tower in December, and why he wanted his protege in the Trump Administration: along with Flynn and others close to Trump, he was plotting to have Trump give Saudi Arabia nuclear technology.

13/ I don't have time in one thread to go into all the issues with McFarlane's plan-suffice to say it was more controversial and staggering to career civil servants in government than even the prospect of unilaterally dropping sanctions on Russia (a Trump plan) would have been.

14/ How does Russia fit into the Flynn/McFarlane plot? Well, the U.S. needs Russian help to build reactors-and Russia needs sanctions gone to do it (and agree to). So McFarlane-a Russian pipeline advocate since 2000-had this reason too to oppose sanctions.

15/ It's no longer possible to think that McFarlane (a surprise VIP) and the Russian ambassador (in a breach of protocol) randomly showed up at the same April '16 event-not when it was Trump's first foreign policy speech, and he planned to offer Russia a "good deal" on sanctions.


19/ What we know is this: McFarlane *did* lobby Trump-and the lobbying was both covert and improper; what he was lobbying for was insane; what he was lobbying for required a dropping of sanctions on Russia; Russia also wanted this; the whole thing was couched in "anti-terrorism."


21/ The idea here-which is explosive and nearly traitorous-is gifting nuclear tech to Saudi Arabia would allow Saudi Arabia to act as an even greater counter-weight to Iran, which Trump considers (not unreasonably) the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism. But there's a problem.
2017-12-07 07:51:47 AM  
2 votes:

KingRamze: As conspiracy theorists go, Seth has decent credentials and has been ahead of the game on the Trump investigation.

 I don't trust everything Seth says to the letter but his reasoning is sound, his credentials and background make him credible and he has so far been pretty on point. Also worth listening to what Ben Wittes, John Schindler, Kyle Griffin, Rick Wilson say and who they retweet.

There are a lot of prominent twitter accounts covering the investigation where the veracity / sanity are certainly questionable.
2017-12-07 07:40:10 AM  
2 votes:

FatherDale: I looked all over for McFarlane's name, but saw it only in the Fark headline. What am I missing?


It takes awhile for all the threaded posts to load. McFarlane is mentioned a lot in the ones above the linked one that do load, slowly.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/stat​u​s/938568775695323141
2017-12-07 07:34:41 AM  
2 votes:

LL316: Sure, if he wants nobody to read what he writes.

Maybe I am alone in this viewpoint, but Twitter is the death knell of intelligent communication
2017-12-07 05:34:25 AM  
2 votes:
If you were playing as the US in an IRL game of Civilization you'd never do what the US is actually doing.
2017-12-07 10:34:10 AM  
1 vote:
Seth is a crank. C'mon Fark, stop pimping his nonsense.
2017-12-07 09:46:02 AM  
1 vote:

GrymRpr: Twitter is now a news site?
Wow, You people who pay for fark are suckers.
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No one pays for Fark.  They pay for TotalFark where the magic really happens.  Nipples in Email.   Wine and Beer served ice cold.  Edible Arrangments every holiday.  And you can vote on headlines, and HOTY, and TotalFarkDiscussion is....well, its ....kind of like PeeWee's Playhouse but with more aggression.
2017-12-07 08:59:53 AM  
1 vote:

Dead for Tax Reasons: ValisIV: Dead for Tax Reasons: he could reveal the secrets of the universe, i'm not reading it in this format

"I don't need no fancy book learnin'!"

Refusing information because of the format doesn't make you any less willfully ignorant than those who spout the above, you know.

https://threadreaderapp.com

ok, i read as much as i could stand.  i see why he uses twitter.  no one else would give him space on their sites for that much random speculation


I disagree that it's random speculation given that he's an investigating attorney, I find it helpful and informative for the events and people I'd missed or forgotten, others may not. Thanks for going and giving it a shot though, that's the important thing to me.
2017-12-07 08:55:29 AM  
1 vote:

Dead for Tax Reasons: twitter is fine if you have a little to say

if you try to post a 1000 word analysis, maybe it's time to get a real place to post it then tweet a link

he could reveal the secrets of the universe, i'm not reading it in this format


Radio is fine, if you have little to say. If you want to explain something to me, put it in a proper format like the newspaper.
2017-12-07 08:55:20 AM  
1 vote:
Doesn't evil ever retire?  Can't we set up a home for over the hill evil?  A Fletcher Memorial Home for Incurable Tyrants and Wasters of Life (We'll fancy up the font on the signage.  It'll look better and the desk people will just say "Fletcher's" when they answer the phone)?
2017-12-07 08:53:44 AM  
1 vote:

drxym: KingRamze: As conspiracy theorists go, Seth has decent credentials and has been ahead of the game on the Trump investigation.
 I don't trust everything Seth says to the letter but his reasoning is sound, his credentials and background make him credible and he has so far been pretty on point. Also worth listening to what Ben Wittes, John Schindler, Kyle Griffin, Rick Wilson say and who they retweet.

There are a lot of prominent twitter accounts covering the investigation where the veracity / sanity are certainly questionable.


When enough come together on 90% on the same stuff, it tends to make a decent narrative. Reading some of their detractors also advances the same narrative. Go figure. 

The story is there, you just have to find all the pieces.
2017-12-07 08:50:10 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: Can't Seth Abramson compile all his farking tweets into one user-friendly blog or some shiat even if he does Tweet it out?
/I farking hate Twitter, Rodney D. don't get me started


Go read @benjaminwittes
2017-12-07 08:49:09 AM  
1 vote:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Let's look at the wording:

ADDITIONAL SOURCES 4/ Is this related? Don't know. But it a) doesn't fit established patterns [CITATION, PLEASE] and b) involves key players in the theory of the case, and so must be looked at seriously by Mueller and Congress [editorialization]. Maybe Mueller asked Jared about it 2 weeks ago. [conjecture].

It's not news until you have at least one or two other journalists on it, making sure your declaration is credible, and an editorial staff that would never run the story because it's irresponsible to do so without concrete evidence.

I want to see trump fry and squeal like a pig, but not at the cost of a free press with high journalistic standards. Twitter is what the 4th Estate becomes when people only follow the people who reinforce their fear, hate, and delusions. Bad reporting foments cultism. Deep state! Fake News! etc. What good is a free press if nobody is held to a standard of accountability?

Twitter accounts are not news. Period. If you could go back in time to about 1968 and show Walter Cronkite the power of Twitter and Facebook, he would probably blow his f*cking brains out.


Rather than subverting the space-time continuum, you could just get on the phone and ask Woodward and Bernstein what they think.
2017-12-07 07:49:28 AM  
1 vote:
I'm going to need a map or flow chart or some way to follow all this bs. Can we fire everyone in Washington and start over.
2017-12-07 07:45:50 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: LL316: Sure, if he wants nobody to read what he writes.
Maybe I am alone in this viewpoint, but Twitter is the death knell of intelligent communication


It certainly has that potential, I'll grant you.  But threads like Seth's are a great way to get quality information out to a lot of people.  Blogs just don't have that reach.
2017-12-07 07:44:53 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: LL316: Sure, if he wants nobody to read what he writes.
Maybe I am alone in this viewpoint, but Twitter is the death knell of intelligent communication


While you're not wrong in that, it's an extension of texting which really killed it. Twitter has a massive base with the youth, and if using that platform gets his message of the crimes this Admin is doing out to them, so they can see and engage, then more power to him. I want the info he's providing, so I don't biatch about the format. It's free, fascinating information that'd be beyond me.

I can see why he uses it: If he writes a blog, then he's having to go and create webpages, upload, edit, add, and a new page and link each time something new comes up and he updates a thread.  Or tag each webpage as a thread, but then with the last update, so you don't know when something new has been added  This way, it's quicker and easier for one source click, go and find, the latest will always be right there. There's a handy app that will notify you when something new has been added so you don't even have to go look to see if you've got the latest. It's a very good way to get quick info out, and if you don't like the format, others have helpfully made a thread reader app to convert it into a blog style page for you.
2017-12-07 07:21:00 AM  
1 vote:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?


If you don't pay the $5/month you get a much cleaner Fark experience, with all the rubbish hidden away. I recommend it. Oh, and thanks to whoever gave me a month of TF. It was a kind thought.
2017-12-07 07:06:59 AM  
1 vote:

berylman: Can't Seth Abramson compile all his farking tweets into one user-friendly blog or some shiat even if he does Tweet it out?



Sure, if he wants nobody to read what he writes.
2017-12-07 06:24:17 AM  
1 vote:

ecmoRandomNumbers: I feel like an asshole spending $5 a month for what is now a Twitter mirror site. I don't have Twitter on my phone for a reason. Come on, Drew, can you at least consider looking at some way to separate the wheat from the chaff; the sh*t from the shinola?


Eh, the whole world is Donnie's Twitter mirror now...not Drew's fault if you don't like the view...

I certainly don't.
2017-12-07 05:59:08 AM  
1 vote:
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2017-12-07 05:53:38 AM  
1 vote:
Funny. I just watched "American Made" last night. If that's how you lot have been doing "business" since Korea, i'm left astounded and confused as to how in the name of Zeus' great big blue thundering butthole you survived the cold war.
2017-12-07 05:35:32 AM  
1 vote:
At this point I fully expect someone in the administration will be caught red handed handing over state secrets to a guy whose last name is literally Spyovitch.
2017-12-07 05:34:51 AM  
1 vote:

Brian Dead: There should be some way you can tell if an article is a twit
A small picture or something would help
(cries)


You could give it a poop tag.

I won't use Twitter as it's an intelligence operation aimed at undermining the United States' stability, but I've out of every 2,000,000 or so active Twitter feeds produces good info.

Seth Abramson's is one of them.
 
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