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2017-12-06 03:30:16 AM  
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2017-12-06 06:55:02 AM  
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Really?  From where?
 
2017-12-06 07:16:23 AM  
Oh look, another article like this that we see almost every year. Most people ignored these kind of articles.
 
2017-12-06 07:31:57 AM  
The media reaction to this game is becoming hilarious. Run, run, run with that hysterical narrative guys. Football is the devil and will be outlawed by next year!
 
2017-12-06 07:34:38 AM  
It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.
 
2017-12-06 07:53:16 AM  

natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.


I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.
 
2017-12-06 07:54:30 AM  
Goddammit subby, everyone knows it's "fade off Into Bolivian."
 
2017-12-06 08:00:20 AM  
Yeah, i'll believe that when I see it. Once gambling goes, the sport will go. Otherwise, Hooray brain contusions!
 
2017-12-06 08:06:31 AM  

IAmRight: Goddammit subby, everyone knows it's "fade off Into Bolivian."


Good call, I take my hand off to you.
 
2017-12-06 08:08:02 AM  
*sees TFA is from The Guardian*

Do rugby players experience concussions and other head injuries regularly?
 
2017-12-06 08:09:38 AM  

pdieten: *sees TFA is from The Guardian*

Do rugby players experience concussions and other head injuries regularly?


Not sure about pros, but in my high school rugby days, it was mostly back of the knee shots.
 
2017-12-06 08:10:24 AM  
I love the bit about ethical dissonance being a problem for the league.  Uh, hello?  That's our preferred means of social, economic and political interaction.
 
2017-12-06 08:12:44 AM  

FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.


Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it
 
2017-12-06 08:57:11 AM  

FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.


And the only people who die because of that brand of football are rioting fans.
 
2017-12-06 08:59:11 AM  

pdieten: *sees TFA is from The Guardian*

Do rugby players experience concussions and other head injuries regularly?


Yes, but rules make it less often because high contact or contact with anyone without the ball is illegal.

The NFL could be improved by having a policy to suspend the worst offenders of making violent, unnecessary hits.  Vontaze Burfict should be the first and should never have seen action after that first preseason game.
 
2017-12-06 09:02:50 AM  

doubled99: The media reaction to this game is becoming hilarious. Run, run, run with that hysterical narrative guys. Football is the devil and will be outlawed by next year!


So everything is hunky-dory here?  That Steeler player should just walk it off?  Or roll it off, maybe?
 
2017-12-06 09:05:28 AM  

togaman2k: pdieten: *sees TFA is from The Guardian*

Do rugby players experience concussions and other head injuries regularly?

Yes, but rules make it less often because high contact or contact with anyone without the ball is illegal.

The NFL could be improved by having a policy to suspend the worst offenders of making violent, unnecessary hits.  Vontaze Burfict should be the first and should never have seen action after that first preseason game.


And by suspend, I mean an iron-clad, spelled-out-in-the-rules, contract addendum, adjudicated by a standing committee of members of the NFLPA that means you miss a season or more without pay if found guilty.
 
2017-12-06 09:11:22 AM  

Great_Milenko: doubled99: The media reaction to this game is becoming hilarious. Run, run, run with that hysterical narrative guys. Football is the devil and will be outlawed by next year!

So everything is hunky-dory here?  That Steeler player should just walk it off?  Or roll it off, maybe?


Yep. Players get injured every game. What do you want done about it?
 
2017-12-06 09:12:23 AM  
"What was once a unifying force in American life..."
Lol. Ease up limey; you can't even say that about footie in the UK.
 
2017-12-06 09:18:38 AM  
To be fair, his team isn't the most physical.

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2017-12-06 09:31:50 AM  
 "What was once a unifying force in American life..."

My first thought was "is he talking about baseball?"

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I wish I could find a chart that went back further.  100 years ago, the most popular sports in America were baseball, boxing, and horse racing.  Sports just become more or less relevant over time.  You can really see where the NBA went to hell in the early 2000s with the game becoming variations of Hack-A-Shaq and the most recent decline in auto-racing with the skid (pun!) that NASCAR has been on.  And of course, college basketball is way down since players started leaving early in the 90s.  It can happen to pro football.

People aren't going to stop watching over night, but there's no reason that the NFL can't decline in popularity for concussions or any other reason.  It happens all the time.
 
2017-12-06 09:39:34 AM  
That's a bullshiat chart. Look at the baseball line. Does it go down after the owners canceled the World Series? No. Does it go back up because of dingers? Also no. It plummets from 2003 to 2005? What?

I don't care what people who like at least one sport say their favorite sport is. Neither do any of the sports leagues themselves, because that answer has little if anything to do with what they are watching and how they are spending their money.
 
2017-12-06 09:43:15 AM  
If we want to pay young men millions of dollars a year to get a brain injury in football and just peanuts to get their limbs blown off in the middle east then I don't feel too sorry for NFLers.
 
2017-12-06 09:49:42 AM  
ElwoodCuse:

I don't care what people who like at least one sport say their favorite sport is. Neither do any of the sports leagues themselves, because that answer has little if anything to do with what they are watching and how they are spending their money.

How do you know that?
 
2017-12-06 09:50:46 AM  

natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.


When I was growing up boxing was huge.  Boxers were famous- Ali was arguably the most famous person in the world. Fights were routinely televised on prime-time broadcast TV, back in the days when you didn't have more than 3 channels.  Wide World of Sports had matches all the time, with Howard Cosell (Say that in his voice)

You can argue gambling did a lot to kill the sport and I'd agree, but I think it's true death knell was seeing this  (Link goes to video since IOC won't allow embedding, and you need to see the video to understand)

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2017-12-06 09:57:17 AM  

natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it


That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.
 
2017-12-06 09:57:50 AM  
All of you implying that nothing will take down football...go back and look at boxing.  Used to be one of the biggest sports spectacles in the world.  Now, maybe once every couple of years a few people get excited about a "marquee" fight, but then shortly afterward, nothing. People started seeing the science showing why their favorite boxers became stumbling, stuttering shells and said "hmm, maybe I don't want to support this sort of thing".  MMA will meet the same fate eventually (somebody will die in the ring).  Add in the increasingly reduced number of kids playing pee wee and high school football and it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that the sport is in trouble (first page of Google search turns up hundreds of results on it, knock yourself out (no pun intended)).  It's not going to happen next week or next year, but NOTHING stays on top forever.  As more and more ex-NFL'ers blast open their chests with .357 Magnums or become bumbling invalids after their careers are over, more and more of the public is going to say "fark this, I'm out".

Some of you will call me a pussy or an alarmist or whatever you want...but you'll still be wrong about football not having a problem that's not going to go away.
 
2017-12-06 09:59:59 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

When I was growing up boxing was huge.  Boxers were famous- Ali was arguably the most famous person in the world. Fights were routinely televised on prime-time broadcast TV, back in the days when you didn't have more than 3 channels.  Wide World of Sports had matches all the time, with Howard Cosell (Say that in his voice)

You can argue gambling did a lot to kill the sport and I'd agree, but I think it's true death knell was seeing this  (Link goes to video since IOC won't allow embedding, and you need to see the video to understand)

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If that were true, MMA wouldn't have taken off like it did.  UFC's rise mirrors boxing's fall pretty closely.  Compare this to the chart upthread.
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2017-12-06 10:07:18 AM  

pheelix: Glockenspiel Hero: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

When I was growing up boxing was huge.  Boxers were famous- Ali was arguably the most famous person in the world. Fights were routinely televised on prime-time broadcast TV, back in the days when you didn't have more than 3 channels.  Wide World of Sports had matches all the time, with Howard Cosell (Say that in his voice)

You can argue gambling did a lot to kill the sport and I'd agree, but I think it's true death knell was seeing this  (Link goes to video since IOC won't allow embedding, and you need to see the video to understand)

[img.fark.net image 666x572][View Full Size image _x_]

If that were true, MMA wouldn't have taken off like it did.  UFC's rise mirrors boxing's fall pretty closely.  Compare this to the chart upthread.
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There's been some arguments that MMA is safer than boxing because there is much less getting punched in the head WITH the whole body.  MMA has a lot of sitting on some guys chest and beating him in the face, but there's not the kind of power there that you see in boxers using their entire bodies.

That's some of the chatter I've read.  I'm no expert on this.
 
2017-12-06 10:07:50 AM  

pheelix: Glockenspiel Hero: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

When I was growing up boxing was huge.  Boxers were famous- Ali was arguably the most famous person in the world. Fights were routinely televised on prime-time broadcast TV, back in the days when you didn't have more than 3 channels.  Wide World of Sports had matches all the time, with Howard Cosell (Say that in his voice)

You can argue gambling did a lot to kill the sport and I'd agree, but I think it's true death knell was seeing this  (Link goes to video since IOC won't allow embedding, and you need to see the video to understand)

[img.fark.net image 666x572][View Full Size image _x_]

If that were true, MMA wouldn't have taken off like it did.  UFC's rise mirrors boxing's fall pretty closely.  Compare this to the chart upthread.
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NVM.  After looking more closely I see that it mirrors a drop in pro basketball, not boxing.
 
2017-12-06 10:08:01 AM  
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2017-12-06 10:22:01 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.


Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me
 
2017-12-06 10:29:36 AM  

natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me


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I kinda want one of these, and I dislike soccer. Where do I sign up?
 
2017-12-06 10:29:47 AM  

natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me


Soccer is by far and away the most popular and most rich in the world. Over half the world watches, it's why Sky paid $5.3 billion just to air Premier League. 

Basketball is second. Then Cricket. The NFL is somewhere at the bottom of the top 10.
 
2017-12-06 10:30:42 AM  

kdawg7736: Oh look, another article like this that we see almost every year


Those columns aren't going to write themselves!
 
2017-12-06 10:31:41 AM  
Can we get an article about how soccer will be the most popular sport in America within a decade or two as well?
 
2017-12-06 10:33:52 AM  

Rapmaster2000: pheelix: Glockenspiel Hero: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

When I was growing up boxing was huge.  Boxers were famous- Ali was arguably the most famous person in the world. Fights were routinely televised on prime-time broadcast TV, back in the days when you didn't have more than 3 channels.  Wide World of Sports had matches all the time, with Howard Cosell (Say that in his voice)

You can argue gambling did a lot to kill the sport and I'd agree, but I think it's true death knell was seeing this  (Link goes to video since IOC won't allow embedding, and you need to see the video to understand)

[img.fark.net image 666x572][View Full Size image _x_]

If that were true, MMA wouldn't have taken off like it did.  UFC's rise mirrors boxing's fall pretty closely.  Compare this to the chart upthread.
[fightnomics.com image 850x675][View Full Size image _x_]

There's been some arguments that MMA is safer than boxing because there is much less getting punched in the head WITH the whole body.  MMA has a lot of sitting on some guys chest and beating him in the face, but there's not the kind of power there that you see in boxers using their entire bodies.

That's some of the chatter I've read.  I'm no expert on this.


I think it's 'safer' as compared to boxing, but just barely. There are generally less hits in a fight, and the longest fights are 5 rounds as compared to 12/15. There is also no standing 10 count, once someone is down and not able to recover very quickly the fight is called off.
 
2017-12-06 10:34:23 AM  

natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me


I'll never judge someone

*fakes injury*

for soccer bashing

*pleads with ref for penalty*

in the proper context.
 
2017-12-06 10:35:22 AM  
Hmmm... I wonder if they have any fans left....
 
2017-12-06 10:37:17 AM  
I'm pretty much done. I'm just gonna watch Brady collect one more trophy this year, then that's it. I am out.
 
2017-12-06 10:40:14 AM  

Clash City Farker: I'm pretty much done. I'm just gonna watch Brady collect one more trophy this year, then that's it. I am out.


Does Giselle know he is after another trophy?
 
2017-12-06 10:42:40 AM  

BigSquibowski: natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me

[segway.com image 811x1091]I kinda want one of these, and I dislike soccer. Where do I sign up?


Watch the price is right, every commercial will be an ad
 
2017-12-06 10:42:55 AM  

phimuskapsi: natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me

Soccer is by far and away the most popular and most rich in the world. Over half the world watches, it's why Sky paid $5.3 billion just to air Premier League. 

Basketball is second. Then Cricket. The NFL is somewhere at the bottom of the top 10.


Dude, enough with the soccer. Like the Metric system, we have decided to ignore your badly flawed sport.
 
2017-12-06 10:51:01 AM  

doubled99: phimuskapsi: natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me

Soccer is by far and away the most popular and most rich in the world. Over half the world watches, it's why Sky paid $5.3 billion just to air Premier League. 

Basketball is second. Then Cricket. The NFL is somewhere at the bottom of the top 10.

Dude, enough with the soccer. Like the Metric system, we have decided to ignore your badly flawed sport.


Wait...wut? 

I wasn't advertising it, I'm an NFL fan, I only watch soccer when the US is in the World Cup. I think it's boring as shiat otherwise - and I used to play it.
 
2017-12-06 10:55:24 AM  

doubled99: phimuskapsi: natural316: Peter von Nostrand: natural316: FreeLawyer: natural316: It's not going anywhere, ever.  It's the richest and most popular sport in the world.

I think you are confusing what Americans call football with the sport the rest of the world calls football.

Oh you mean soccer? Yeah I don't really care about that nor do any other Americans except for when they pretend to every few years, but I see your point and I'll run with it

That's great but has no bearing on your comment regarding the richest and most popular sport in the world.

Yes I know, but it gave me a Segway to rant on soccer so I took it.  Don't judge me

Soccer is by far and away the most popular and most rich in the world. Over half the world watches, it's why Sky paid $5.3 billion just to air Premier League. 

Basketball is second. Then Cricket. The NFL is somewhere at the bottom of the top 10.

Dude, enough with the soccer. Like the Metric system, we have decided to ignore your badly flawed sport.


He's right.  Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to McDonald's for a Royale with cheese
 
2017-12-06 11:18:02 AM  

doubled99: Dude, enough with the soccer. Like the Metric system, we have decided to ignore your badly flawed sport.


This makes a good point.  The tuck rule is about as confusing for the average fan as is "3 teaspoons in a tablespoon, 16 tablespoons in a cup, and 4 cups in a quart."
 
2017-12-06 11:43:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: "What was once a unifying force in American life..."

My first thought was "is he talking about baseball?"

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I wish I could find a chart that went back further.  100 years ago, the most popular sports in America were baseball, boxing, and horse racing.  Sports just become more or less relevant over time.  You can really see where the NBA went to hell in the early 2000s with the game becoming variations of Hack-A-Shaq and the most recent decline in auto-racing with the skid (pun!) that NASCAR has been on.  And of course, college basketball is way down since players started leaving early in the 90s.  It can happen to pro football.

People aren't going to stop watching over night, but there's no reason that the NFL can't decline in popularity for concussions or any other reason.  It happens all the time.


I'd like to see that chart with two more years of data. I see hockey passing men's basketball, and pro football dropping hard.
 
2017-12-06 12:02:55 PM  

jayphat: Rapmaster2000: "What was once a unifying force in American life..."

My first thought was "is he talking about baseball?"

[static1.businessinsider.com image 800x600]
I wish I could find a chart that went back further.  100 years ago, the most popular sports in America were baseball, boxing, and horse racing.  Sports just become more or less relevant over time.  You can really see where the NBA went to hell in the early 2000s with the game becoming variations of Hack-A-Shaq and the most recent decline in auto-racing with the skid (pun!) that NASCAR has been on.  And of course, college basketball is way down since players started leaving early in the 90s.  It can happen to pro football.

People aren't going to stop watching over night, but there's no reason that the NFL can't decline in popularity for concussions or any other reason.  It happens all the time.

I'd like to see that chart with two more years of data. I see hockey passing men's basketball, and pro football dropping hard.


Drugs are bad mmmkay?
 
2017-12-06 12:36:49 PM  
Football is on its way out. It's not gone this season or next season, but much like the Soviet Union in 1982, the irrevocable damage has been done and now it's just working its way through the system.

Moms don't want their sons playing the game. It's an expensive sport to play before public education. Neither of these trends is going to reverse.

The advances in strength training and nutrition aren't going away, and players are bigger, faster, and stronger than they were fifty or even twenty years ago. So the long-term consequences of playing are going to stay bad and get worse.

Quality of play stinks and I can't see how that's going to get better soon.  There are too many teams that are dumpster fires and the owners have zero incentive to address that issue.

Dull games, perpetually losing teams, increased prices, all to watch a concussion farms destroying young men with a decreasing quality of new talent... where in this do you see a future for the NFL?
 
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