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2017-12-05 08:10:04 AM  
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2017-12-05 08:10:23 AM  
One instance of misogyny in drag =/= a lifetime of abuse and inequality, Dusty, old boy.
 
2017-12-05 08:24:29 AM  
Wait, he's actually an alien mind-parasite?
 
2017-12-05 08:34:53 AM  

vudukungfu: One instance of misogyny in drag =/= a lifetime of abuse and inequality, Dusty, old boy.


Yeah, I kind of feel like Hoffman couldn't stop digging and using the same tired excuses for his behavior. Just say "I was an idiot then and have grown since. I make no excuses for my behavior but swear I'm a better person now" (assuming no new accusations, obviously) and Oliver would probably have backed off.
 
2017-12-05 08:35:50 AM  
Did I miss it but does DH ever really cover why or how the accuser is lying? He just says things like "and you believe that" without any alternative. Pretty gutsy on Oliver's part since he knew the crowd would be against him as it went on.
 
2017-12-05 08:38:49 AM  
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2017-12-05 08:39:09 AM  
I've never seen a Brit be so insufferably self-righteous.  I like the fact that he's shined a light on some injustices that often went unnoticed, but sweet Jesus, does he have to sound like an atheist church lady every time he does it?
 
2017-12-05 08:39:45 AM  
So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.
 
2017-12-05 08:49:03 AM  
I liked the Tootsie retort. Can we photoshop him into the Dave Chappelle testimony "he did Thriller. Thriller."
 
2017-12-05 08:49:30 AM  
I love John, but this part pisses me off - "You've given no evidence to show that it didn't happen."

How the fark do you prove that something didn't happen.  Let's presume he doesn't remember this woman (fairly high likelihood given how many thousands of people someone like Hoffman meets)...what evidence could he possibly provide?
 
2017-12-05 08:50:23 AM  

unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.


That's an incredibly weird position.
 
2017-12-05 08:55:02 AM  

LL316: I love John, but this part pisses me off - "You've given no evidence to show that it didn't happen."

How the fark do you prove that something didn't happen.  Let's presume he doesn't remember this woman (fairly high likelihood given how many thousands of people someone like Hoffman meets)...what evidence could he possibly provide?


Yeah, that's Kafkaesque Soviet Show Trial Stuff there.

"Goody Fishwife sayeth thou consorts with the devil and fornicated with a succubus, How say you?"
 
2017-12-05 08:56:02 AM  
Good on Oliver. Hoffman's apology was dismissive and insincere to the victims, and Oliver basically got him to admit it. If the point of the panel was to honor Hoffman in any way, even if just for his contribution to that particular film (which, by the way, makes the conversation relevant), then I'm glad Oliver dragged him through the coals.
 
2017-12-05 08:59:43 AM  

Fano: "Goody Fishwife sayeth thou consorts with the devil and fornicated with a succubus, How say you?"

"That's my fetish"?
 
2017-12-05 09:01:08 AM  
Oliver is slightly off the mark here. Hoffman's behavior is abuse of Star Power, not sexual predation. Thus, he can defend. In any case, the Left eats itself.
 
2017-12-05 09:03:15 AM  
Is there video of this panel discussion?  The googles and youtubes did nothing.  I think John Oliver was a bit of a jackass by derailing a panel about something completely unrelated.  That's definitely not saying Dustin Hoffman shouldn't be held to account for his past actions.
 
2017-12-05 09:10:09 AM  

Clash City Farker: Oliver is slightly off the mark here. Hoffman's behavior is abuse of Star Power, not sexual predation. Thus, he can defend. In any case, the Left eats itself.


While the right bolsters and, ahem... hardens... its ranks with pedophiles.
 
2017-12-05 09:10:54 AM  

holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.


Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?
 
kab
2017-12-05 09:11:25 AM  
John Oliver fondled my ballsack a few months ago without my permission.   The onus is now on him to provide evidence that it didn't happen.

/I'm suing for damages
//but we can settle out of court right now for $20
 
2017-12-05 09:13:00 AM  
The lead line in accusers article is "The author, who slapped away the star's butt grabs and laughed off his vulgar language on the set of 1985 TV film 'Death of a Salesman,' still feels conflicted: "I loved the attention. Until I didn't."

She also says he apologized and stopped when she told him his behavior wasn't ok. Clearly unprofessional and unwise conduct from Hoffman, but I don't think it's really part of the larger Weinstein narrative.
 
2017-12-05 09:18:25 AM  
I like John Oliver, but he came off as a dick in that exchange.  The point of the forum wasn't sexual harassment, and I'm sure the people there didn't come to watch him try to take Hoffman down.

It might have been one thing if there had been credible allegations that Hoffman was sexually assaulting people last week, but there's no need to create a public spectacle over something decades old.
 
2017-12-05 09:21:28 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I like John Oliver, but he came off as a dick in that exchange.  The point of the forum wasn't sexual harassment, and I'm sure the people there didn't come to watch him try to take Hoffman down.

It might have been one thing if there had been credible allegations that Hoffman was sexually assaulting people last week, but there's no need to create a public spectacle over something decades old.


To be fair, the girl he allegedly touched was there to make a movie and not be molested.
 
2017-12-05 09:22:53 AM  
Just for those of you unaware how this might come up in discussion, here is the plot of the movie:

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2017-12-05 09:25:04 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Just for those of you unaware how this might come up in discussion, here is the plot of the movie:

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So these sex scandals distract the nation from infinite war and a corrupt president? Oliver is just part of the show?
 
2017-12-05 09:27:49 AM  
As I understand it, he did these things on-set with Robert Redford and/or Paul Newman. So apparently the attractive guys were complete gentlemen, or it was only uncomfortable if the behavior was from someone ugly.
 
2017-12-05 09:31:36 AM  

CommonName2: As I understand it, he did these things on-set with Robert Redford and/or Paul Newman. So apparently the attractive guys were complete gentlemen, or it was only uncomfortable if the behavior was from someone ugly.


You leave Paul Newman alone!
He doesn't eat out,
He has a steak at home!
 
2017-12-05 09:34:37 AM  

Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?


John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.
 
2017-12-05 09:38:50 AM  

holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.


Pfft. I'll assume he's running a dangerous regulation avoiding uranium mine with slave labor until he provides the evidence that proves he isn't.
 
2017-12-05 09:53:26 AM  

FLMountainMan: I've never seen a Brit be so insufferably self-righteous.


The entirety of the Victorian era was built upon a British national model of insufferable self-righteousness.
 
2017-12-05 10:07:19 AM  

holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.


I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.
 
2017-12-05 10:08:30 AM  

stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.


Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?
 
2017-12-05 10:12:16 AM  

holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.


And enjoying the smooth taste of Bud Light Lime
 
2017-12-05 10:17:16 AM  

This text is now purple: FLMountainMan: I've never seen a Brit be so insufferably self-righteous.

The entirety of the Victorian era was built upon a British national model of insufferable self-righteousness.


It never really stopped either, if you read between the lines of their cheery politeness. Passive aggressive control all the way.
 
2017-12-05 10:31:42 AM  
While I love John Oliver and I think he is right to do this*, I think he could use a drink thrown in his face followed by a humiliating kick in the nuts from a very beautiful woman. Mainly for the hilarious look he will immediately give right after it happens.

*And I only think he was right to do this because Hoffman's answers were such pale male and stale Hollywood cop-outs. And I can barely support Oliver at that, considering this line:

LL316: I love John, but this part pisses me off - "You've given no evidence to show that it didn't happen."


While I agree that Hoffman brought this upon himself, that question was shiate. I would have responded "Well you've given no evidence to show that you are not a foetus-eating child-raping zombie, John, so why don't you fark off with that Mr. Nutterbutter squirrel you hang out with while the adults are talking".
 
2017-12-05 10:34:15 AM  

Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?


if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.
 
2017-12-05 10:37:27 AM  

stonelotus: Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?

if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.


Franken probably wouldn't deflect and use lame excuses. He's already owned up to his actions. Oliver's problem with Hoffman was that he doesn't acknowledge that he even did anything wrong.

They were pretty brutal with Anthony Weiner whenever he was in the news for his nonsense. Not for nothing.
 
2017-12-05 10:44:25 AM  

stonelotus: Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?

if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.


Why would I have a problem with that...?

I just don't understand what point it is you think you are making.
 
2017-12-05 10:49:52 AM  

holdmybones: stonelotus: Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?

if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.

Franken probably wouldn't deflect and use lame excuses. He's already owned up to his actions. Oliver's problem with Hoffman was that he doesn't acknowledge that he even did anything wrong.

They were pretty brutal with Anthony Weiner whenever he was in the news for his nonsense. Not for nothing.


my bad.  I was unaware that Franken had apologized to Kemplin, or was that covered in his blanket apology to all the women he "crossed the line" with who he doesn't remember groping while not denying it?
 
2017-12-05 10:53:58 AM  

Delta1212: stonelotus: Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?

if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.

Why would I have a problem with that...?

I just don't understand what point it is you think you are making.


there is no lack of clarity in the point I made.
 
2017-12-05 10:54:05 AM  

stonelotus: holdmybones: stonelotus: Delta1212: stonelotus: holdmybones: Fano: holdmybones: unfarkingbelievable: So, Oliver is "holier than thou" and only wanted to rake in headlines by talking about sex abuse. I would not be surprised if he touched or groped in the past, either.

That's an incredibly weird position.

Think about when certain folks are intensely interested in what homosexuals do with their time. How many of them are caught with their pants down in a public restroom?

John Oliver seems to have equal passion no matter the cause. I doubt he's groping women as much as I doubt he's operating a dangerous mine while lobbying for reduced regulations.

I'll believe that when he goes after Al Franken just as passionately.

Has he interviewed Al Franken recently?

if he hasn't, why hasn't he?  they're not exactly strangers to each other.  I would think he has far easier access to Franken than most.  if either of them is truly passionate about respecting women I can't think of a better way for them to further the conversation.  surely you wouldn't have a problem with that.

Franken probably wouldn't deflect and use lame excuses. He's already owned up to his actions. Oliver's problem with Hoffman was that he doesn't acknowledge that he even did anything wrong.

They were pretty brutal with Anthony Weiner whenever he was in the news for his nonsense. Not for nothing.

my bad.  I was unaware that Franken had apologized to Kemplin, or was that covered in his blanket apology to all the women he "crossed the line" with who he doesn't remember groping while not denying it?


As someone else said - I'd like Oliver to ask that question, if not.

See how it works when you're an adult?
 
2017-12-05 11:00:12 AM  
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2017-12-05 11:05:58 AM  
Rain Man sucked, fark you Hoffman.  Asshole has been riding on the success of The Graduate pretty much forever..
 
2017-12-05 11:09:55 AM  
Say, what has Al Pacino been up to lately? I find it hard to believe those Roman hands haven't  been all over every piece of ass he could get his banty legs over to
 
2017-12-05 11:14:35 AM  

Fano: Say, what has Al Pacino been up to lately? I find it hard to believe those Roman hands haven't  been all over every piece of ass he could get his banty legs over to


 LOL. Haven't heard that in years.
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2017-12-05 11:21:31 AM  

Delta1212: I just don't understand what point it is you think you are making.


"LIBS BAD!  BAAAD!!!"
 
2017-12-05 11:23:40 AM  

Jake Havechek: Rain Man sucked, fark you Hoffman.  Asshole has been riding on the success of The Graduate pretty much forever..


I liked him in Stranger Than Fiction. That said, I haven't watched the interview yet. I love John Oliver and don't want to watch him being a dick (my guess from reading the thread here).
 
2017-12-05 11:25:28 AM  

Jake Havechek: Rain Man sucked, fark you Hoffman.  Asshole has been riding on the success of The Graduate pretty much forever..


Hook was great.
 
2017-12-05 11:35:56 AM  

LL316: I love John, but this part pisses me off - "You've given no evidence to show that it didn't happen."

How the fark do you prove that something didn't happen.  Let's presume he doesn't remember this woman (fairly high likelihood given how many thousands of people someone like Hoffman meets)...what evidence could he possibly provide?


You can't, it's a logical fallacy.
 
2017-12-05 11:45:44 AM  
John Oliver.

Another boring pompous SJW dick that elects themselves Judge and Jury.

How the hell do you prove something didn't happen 30 years ago? Fark you Jon Stewart.
 
2017-12-05 12:00:44 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Another boring pompous SJW dick that elects themselves Judge and Jury.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti​o​nary/irony
 
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