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2017-11-20 11:15:08 PM  
Yes, they are. But only because they're not good enough or smart enough to do anything different. stupid.
 
2017-11-20 11:31:15 PM  
No they aren't

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2017-11-20 11:34:33 PM  
Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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2017-11-20 11:39:40 PM  

stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?
 
2017-11-20 11:49:15 PM  
The oligarchs are so close to rewriting the tax code to give themselves the payday they've been fantasizing about for decades. So close. And the only thing standing in the way of that is the child molester that the Republicans stupidly chose to run as a candidate. it's put the whole plan at risk!

Got to tip the scales back in their favor. Got to find a democrat to destroy.
Say hello to the tsunami of bullshiat.
 
2017-11-20 11:52:42 PM  

bloobeary: The oligarchs are so close to rewriting the tax code to give themselves the payday they've been fantasizing about for decades. So close. And the only thing standing in the way of that is the child molester that the Republicans stupidly chose to run as a candidate. it's put the whole plan at risk!

Got to tip the scales back in their favor. Got to find a democrat to destroy.
Say hello to the tsunami of bullshiat.


exactly. both sides, what about, and injustice for all.
 
2017-11-20 11:54:22 PM  

wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?


Doesn't matter, she's not going to sleep with you, although I understand why you're asking.
 
2017-11-21 12:04:02 AM  
Loser liberals continue to eat their own because they can't doxx their FAKE NEWS victims into hiding...SAD!
 
2017-11-21 12:57:28 AM  
One exception was Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who said through a spokeswoman Monday that an Ethics Committee investigation is the "appropriate step and needs to happen immediately."

Well yeah, so we can put this farking nonsense out to pasture.
 
2017-11-21 05:07:35 AM  
Progressive groups or pseudo-republicans in disguise?
 
2017-11-21 06:10:46 AM  

wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?


Sally Kohn, Fox News contributor and "liberal turning on Franken" quoted in TFA.
 
2017-11-21 07:31:17 AM  
Unilateral ethics work well in everything but politics.  So, no investigation of Trump's many crimes?  More Republicans in congress?  Gerrymandering by selective investigation...
 
2017-11-21 07:40:11 AM  
I see the bullshiat is getting even deeper.. Knock it off, I never learned to walk on stilts!
 
2017-11-21 07:42:17 AM  
Liberals should be turning on sexual predators of all colors. So should conservatives. Instead, yesterday KellyAnne said the White House supports Roy Moore.
 
2017-11-21 07:42:57 AM  
whatabout?
 
2017-11-21 07:46:19 AM  
Resign?

How about no? Does no work for you?

NO!
 
2017-11-21 07:46:49 AM  

Donald Trump's Vagina: Progressive groups or pseudo-republicans in disguise?


Russian Operatives.  Fark is full of them.  Who else would buy Total Fark and Bare Fark at the same time?
 
2017-11-21 07:48:36 AM  

stan unusual: wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
[thyblackman.com image 300x177]

Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?

Sally Kohn, Fox News contributor and "liberal turning on Franken" quoted in TFA.


Once you lose Sally Kohn, you've lost the country.
 
2017-11-21 07:49:39 AM  

whidbey: One exception was Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who said through a spokeswoman Monday that an Ethics Committee investigation is the "appropriate step and needs to happen immediately."

Well yeah, so we can put this farking nonsense out to pasture.


And enough of this "calls for an ethics investigation" bullsh*t.

Franken HIMSELF suggested the investigation into HIMSELF. Stop trying to act like "Oooh, we'll get him now and there's nothing he can do about it."
 
2017-11-21 07:50:02 AM  
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2017-11-21 07:50:12 AM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?
 
2017-11-21 07:50:30 AM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: Donald Trump's Vagina: Progressive groups or pseudo-republicans in disguise?

Russian Operatives.  Fark is full of them.  Who else would buy Total Fark and Bare Fark at the same time?


Drewgs aren't exactly the hardest people to sell things to that you can get for free.
 
2017-11-21 07:51:29 AM  

wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?


This guy in drag.

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2017-11-21 07:52:51 AM  
Is this how you are going to defend the tax cuts that are looming?
 
2017-11-21 07:53:13 AM  
From what we've been hearing lately, a lot of people turn on Franken.
 
2017-11-21 07:54:25 AM  
bigfatbuddhist:   So, no investigation of Trump's many crimes?

    
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2017-11-21 07:54:29 AM  

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His upper lip looks like bad CGI
 
2017-11-21 07:56:52 AM  
If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.
 
2017-11-21 07:59:02 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.


All liberals plastered everywhere on the MSM mainstream media apologizing profusely.  For everything.
 
2017-11-21 07:59:55 AM  

stan unusual: wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
[thyblackman.com image 300x177]

Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?

Sally Kohn, Fox News contributor and "liberal turning on Franken" quoted in TFA.


Note the Fox News Anti-Obama dogwhistle in her bio: "Veteran Community Organizer"

She's paid to be the heel and this is the role they gave her.  No different from the guy who plays the overtly racist-themed foreigner at the Bumfark County Thursday Night Throwdown wrasslin' show.
 
2017-11-21 08:00:28 AM  
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2017-11-21 08:00:29 AM  

wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
[thyblackman.com image 300x177]

Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?


She is not blond, how the hell did she get on Fox?
 
2017-11-21 08:01:19 AM  

ChrisDe: Liberals should be turning on sexual predators of all colors. So should conservatives. Instead, yesterday KellyAnne said the White House supports Roy Moore.


Which is all you need to know about the sincerity of this "scandal."

Al Franken has TWO accusations of groping adult women, and he apologized and opened an investigation into himself about the charges, but Republicans shout that HE has to go immediately.

Roy Moore has MULTIPLE accusers and a lengthy history of cruising malls trying to fingerbang little girls, he's called all of his accusers liars, and he's got the full support of the White House.

F*ck ANY of you thumb-sucking "liberals" going along with this Republican charade. If you fall for this transparent railroading of one of our most effective senators you're too goddamn dumb to live.
 
2017-11-21 08:02:02 AM  

bloobeary: The oligarchs are so close to rewriting the tax code to give themselves the payday they've been fantasizing about for decades. So close. And the only thing standing in the way of that is the child molester that the Republicans stupidly chose to run as a candidate. it's put the whole plan at risk!

Got to tip the scales back in their favor. Got to find a democrat to destroy.
Say hello to the tsunami of bullshiat.


This line of thinking doesn't work.

Al Franken's seat would be immediately filled by another Democrat.
 
2017-11-21 08:02:25 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.


If Franken steps down, the governor will appoint another Democrat.  Politically, it's a wash.
 
2017-11-21 08:02:46 AM  

wademh: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?


Well, sometimes, sure.  Let's say your neighbor "borrows" your weed whacker and never returns it.  20 years later, you accuse him of theft.  He apologizes and explains that he carelessly put it behind a bunch of other stuff and forgot about it.  He accepts full responsibility, and invites an investigation into his behavior.  You accept his apology.  Should it still be a crime?

Another point.  There's still a lot of hearsay regarding this.  Did she agree at the time?  Didn't she?  She'd have to prove that in court.  Whether or not the alleged act is a crime depends entirely on whether she consented to it or not.  Sexual contact w/ a 14-year-old is a crime regardless of consent or forgiveness.  That's a big difference, because now you only have to prove that they had sexual contact.
 
2017-11-21 08:02:48 AM  

wejash: stan unusual: Former Fox News house liberal punching bags, maybe.
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Who the fark is that?

No, really. Who?


I know... she looks like a weird genetic experiment combining Rachel Maddow and Tucker Carlson's DNA.

That sentient bow tie must be stopped before he comes up with a genuinely scary creation.
 
2017-11-21 08:04:34 AM  

wademh: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?


I'm fascinated by your talking point. It was not stalking a 14 year old. It was molesting a 14 year old.

As well as stalking other, maybe many other, underage girls. In a pattern so pervasive and over such a period that some have said they remember him being banned from a shopping mall.

But sure, Moore and Franken are equivalent why not.
 
2017-11-21 08:04:35 AM  
Al Franken has apologized, his apology has been accepted, and he is working to make amends. Plus, he's spent his time in office doing great things for women's rights.

Republican predators lie, deflect, smear their accusers no matter the evidence, and spend their time in office doing everything they can to make life shiattier for women.

Both sides are not the same. Franken is in a position to make amends for his behavior, and has shown every willingness to do so. He should face some consequence, yes, but unless the ethics investigation he's invited turns up something far, far worse, he shouldn't be forced to resign.

Meanwhile, the GOP President has BRAGGED about doing things far worse than what Franken has even been accused of (and if we're getting into accusations, Trump's alleged sex crimes blow Franken, and even Moore, out of the water)...and yet, I don't see Republicans demanding his resignation, or even an investigation.
 
2017-11-21 08:08:12 AM  

wademh: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?


Is this an issue for the courts to decide? No? Then its between them.
 
2017-11-21 08:09:33 AM  
How many women does a Senator have to grope/harass to be thrown out of office?

Two is apparently ok, as long as the women are above legal age and the Senator is a Democrat.
 
2017-11-21 08:11:20 AM  

dumbobruni: bloobeary: The oligarchs are so close to rewriting the tax code to give themselves the payday they've been fantasizing about for decades. So close. And the only thing standing in the way of that is the child molester that the Republicans stupidly chose to run as a candidate. it's put the whole plan at risk!

Got to tip the scales back in their favor. Got to find a democrat to destroy.
Say hello to the tsunami of bullshiat.

This line of thinking doesn't work.

Al Franken's seat would be immediately filled by another Democrat.


But not one NEARLY as effective nor as dangerous to Mitch McConnell's fever dreams as Al Franken.
 
2017-11-21 08:11:50 AM  

phalamir: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.

If Franken steps down, the governor will appoint another Democrat.  Politically, it's a wash.


Senators are not fungible.
 
2017-11-21 08:14:17 AM  

phalamir: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.

If Franken steps down, the governor will appoint another Democrat.  Politically, it's a wash.


Replacing a Senator with experience and political capital with a noob is not exactly a wash.

But this isn't about Senate arithmetic. It's about having somebody to use in false equivalencies.
 
2017-11-21 08:14:40 AM  

phalamir: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.

If Franken steps down, the governor will appoint another Democrat.  Politically, it's a wash.


Who, if I understand, will lose seniority and posting, will not be as informed on Sessions, Trump and the other investigations. So, yay not losing anything.
 
2017-11-21 08:17:00 AM  

Tomahawk513: wademh: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?

Well, sometimes, sure.  Let's say your neighbor "borrows" your weed whacker and never returns it.  20 years later, you accuse him of theft.  He apologizes and explains that he carelessly put it behind a bunch of other stuff and forgot about it.  He accepts full responsibility, and invites an investigation into his behavior.  You accept his apology.  Should it still be a crime?

Another point.  There's still a lot of hearsay regarding this.  Did she agree at the time?  Didn't she?  She'd have to prove that in court.  Whether or not the alleged act is a crime depends entirely on whether she consented to it or not.  Sexual contact w/ a 14-year-old is a crime regardless of consent or forgiveness.  That's a big difference, because now you only have to prove that they had sexual contact.


I'm unconvinced by your first point. If you cite something which is much ado about nothing, it pretty much remains much ado about nothing whether or not there's an apology or an acceptance of the apology other than specifically between the two involved. And then it's  just about how petty each of them is. Apologies are important, and I think Franken's was excellent. Whether or not it is accepted has zero bearing on how any of the rest of us judge Franken, or so it should.

On your second point, yes there are some strange elements. We ought to reserve some judgement until things are aired at the ethics hearing, specifically because there will be an ethics hearing so we have that luxury. But also because there's some good that can come out of that ethics hearing.
 
2017-11-21 08:17:47 AM  

dumbobruni: How many women does a Senator have to grope/harass to be thrown out of office?

Two is apparently ok, as long as the women are above legal age and the Senator is a Democrat.


username checks out
 
2017-11-21 08:19:14 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: phalamir: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: If liberals fall for this and Franken steps down, they are even stupider than I thought.

So I expect him to step down.

If Franken steps down, the governor will appoint another Democrat.  Politically, it's a wash.

Senators are not fungible.


CPAC would disagree strongly on that one
 
2017-11-21 08:23:37 AM  

Scanty Em: wademh: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: No they aren't

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and
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I'm fascinated by this talking point that keeps getting repeated. Is apologizing and having someone accept your apology like a magic kiss on a booboo? It makes things all better?  I'm not addressing this specific case but just in general: does it work for all offenses? If Moore apologized for stalking a 14 year old and for whatever reason she accepted his apology that that mean he's no longer a creep? If anyone ever commits an offense of any kind their salvation is completely controlled by whether or not their victim forgives them? Since when?

I'm fascinated by your talking point. It was not stalking a 14 year old. It was molesting a 14 year old.

As well as stalking other, maybe many other, underage girls. In a pattern so pervasive and over such a period that some have said they remember him being banned from a shopping mall.

But sure, Moore and Franken are equivalent why not.


You realize I've not claimed any equivalence, in any way shape or form. Rather I offered an example that was worse behavior. I'm asking about this 'apologize and apology accepted so it's all good' claim. Maybe you can defend it. If you want to know my thinking on Moore I'll refer you to this http://www.fark.com/comments/981​0165/1​12232630#c112232630
 
2017-11-21 08:24:15 AM  
You want true signs of fascism in this country, look no further than this.

People demanding for a guy's job when ONE woman out of thousands that he's taken pictures with says he grabbed her butt.

No investigation, no sworn testimony from either.  Hell was a crime even committed?

It's wrong to touch women inappropriately.

Women also don't get to have the benefit of the doubt every time they make a claim.  And they also don't get to demand people's jobs every time they get their fee wees hurt.
 
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