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(USA Today)   If only Cibo Matto had released a song called "Know Your Elk"   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2017-11-14 11:48:18 AM  
12 votes:
Cibo Matto - Know Your Chicken (Video)
Youtube COMWwwv_MTk
2017-11-14 01:45:23 PM  
5 votes:
So Dad shot the elk and figured his teenage daughter was far more likely to get away without punishment and threw her under the bus?
2017-11-14 03:11:19 PM  
4 votes:
They didn't try to hide the fact she shot an elk.

Elk aren't known to inhabit that area.

When I was 14, if I saw big antlers on a large cervid in the bushes, I would have taken the shot. There was no particular reason for a person there to be thinking about elk.

I'm sure someone here, coming from open country and tree stand overlooking a pasture type hunting background will foam at the mouth about getting super-clear, molecular identification and life history of the animal in question. In a lot of places, like Missouri, brush hunting in the hills rarely gives you well-lit, completely unobstructed views of what you're hunting.  Whitetail hunting in these conditions requires that you know your background and identify the game (buck/doe, maybe rough age of the animal). If you see antlers, then a light brown body, it's not wildly stupid to assume you're looking at a big buck. Neck and head may have been obscured. This isn't some drunk bumblefark shooting a farmer's cow.

I've hunted heavy brush, successfully, for over 30 years. While the light and visibility aren't always 100% ideal, you should know where the bullet will stop (i.e. in that hillside I'm facing) and how to identify your quarry. It is very possible for a whitetail to look dark-colored in a shadow at a distance. Sometimes their antlers are brown, and not bone-white.

From the way it reads, and the perplexed reaction of the wildlife officials, this really isn't a case of "stupid hunter should know better." It's just an unusual occurance that left everybody scratching their head.
2017-11-14 02:45:56 PM  
4 votes:

Yellow Beard: abhorrent1: Yellow Beard: I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.

There are no elk known to be in that area and as TFA also pointed out, she's 14 and has probably never even seen an elk. They look similar enough that someone with little experience probably wouldn't know the difference at 100 yards or more.

Yea, if it is dark out and overcast so there is no moon light. If it was light enough to legally hunt, she may as well have confused a horse with a deer.

To be fair, I blame her father. Kids need to be taught to be sure of your target (and what's is beyond). Apparently, her father never showed her what a deer looks like. If she knew what deer looked like, she would have known that wasn't a deer she was shooting at.


If it was in the trees she may have not been able to see the whole animal. And what would make you think it was anything but a deer in an area that supposedly doesn't have anything but deer?

It's like telling a bear hunter in Pennsylvania to make sure it's not a grizzly.

She also took and passed a hunter course. Did they tell her during that course to make sure the antlered animal she was shooting was a deer and not something else? I'm going to guess no, since until now, no one even seem to know there were other antlered animals other than deer there.
2017-11-14 02:35:27 PM  
4 votes:

HeadLever: mrwknd: Take their goddamned guns, ban for life from hunting!

Damn stupid people, how the hell can anyone NOT recognize the damn difference, even with a scope at 100 meters anyone should know the difference. Learn to hunt before you hunt.

"Hey y'all I got me a record buck, and my huntn' boner back" - And jail for poaching, I don't by that "but, but I'm just stupid" bullsh*t, if you're able to buy a rifle and get a hunting license, you should at least know what the hell you're hunting looks like.

They are not going to do anything this dumb over a kid shooting an elk when she thought it was a deer. She might get a fine and a slap on the wrist at most and for good reason.  Yes, she need to be careful on identifying her target, but let's not get carried away here.


It's a farking gun, not a Playstation.  If you don't KNOW what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger, you don't deserve to own a gun ever again.
2017-11-14 02:24:33 PM  
4 votes:

Yellow Beard: I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.


There are no elk known to be in that area and as TFA also pointed out, she's 14 and has probably never even seen an elk. They look similar enough that someone with little experience probably wouldn't know the difference at 100 yards or more.
2017-11-14 02:04:52 PM  
4 votes:
Take their goddamned guns, ban for life from hunting!

Damn stupid people, how the hell can anyone NOT recognize the damn difference, even with a scope at 100 meters anyone should know the difference. Learn to hunt before you hunt.

"Hey y'all I got me a record buck, and my huntn' boner back" - And jail for poaching, I don't by that "but, but I'm just stupid" bullsh*t, if you're able to buy a rifle and get a hunting license, you should at least know what the hell you're hunting looks like.
2017-11-14 02:03:53 PM  
4 votes:
I have no problem with this story except:  KNOW what you're shooting at.
2017-11-14 05:51:21 PM  
3 votes:

carkiller: Herr Morgenstern: carkiller: [img.fark.net image 454x330]

/oblig

Yeah, I'm legit surprised. I didn't think they were hipster level underground or anything, but I honestly didn't expect a headline like this, or this many farkers to know who they are.

/Remembers their debut on 120 Minutes
//Sugar Water was an awesome video
///Squealed like a toddler when they appeared on Buffy

I remember the drummer in the band I was in bought Viva! La Woman when it came out, and was super excited to show it to all of us.  I'm not sure whether those were really better times for cool weird music, or I've just ossified in my autumn years.  Probably the ossification.


It was right before Shibuyakei really broke. Japanese music in the 90s was surprisingly vibrant, a lot of good bands/acts: Cornelius, Pizzicato Five, Fantastic Plastic Machine, Takako Minekawa, the 5,6,7,8s, etc.
2017-11-14 01:41:13 PM  
3 votes:
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/oblig
2017-11-14 05:13:21 PM  
2 votes:

Wessoman: I'm still trying to figure out what the Fark is happening in the "Sugar Water" video and now an elk has died.


Well, the buildings are changing into coconut trees. Duh.
CIBO MATTO - Sci-Fi Wasabi
Youtube hMrAMAm6RxE
2017-11-14 02:46:00 PM  
2 votes:

LL316: If you don't KNOW what you're shooting at before you pull the trigger, you don't deserve to own a gun ever again.


In fairness, she was a crack shot:  " And with one shot from her rifle Saturday, Abby Wilson, 14, killed what she thought was a very large white-tailed buck."

And also, the elk wasn't a older male
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Hell, at least she was out hunting and not being preyed upon by pervert DAs from Alabama.
2017-11-14 02:39:01 PM  
2 votes:
Don't confuse deer with a wapiti. They're totally different, full stop-ity.
2017-11-14 02:19:32 PM  
2 votes:

mrwknd: Take their goddamned guns, ban for life from hunting!

Damn stupid people, how the hell can anyone NOT recognize the damn difference, even with a scope at 100 meters anyone should know the difference. Learn to hunt before you hunt.

"Hey y'all I got me a record buck, and my huntn' boner back" - And jail for poaching, I don't by that "but, but I'm just stupid" bullsh*t, if you're able to buy a rifle and get a hunting license, you should at least know what the hell you're hunting looks like.


They are not going to do anything this dumb over a kid shooting an elk when she thought it was a deer. She might get a fine and a slap on the wrist at most and for good reason.  Yes, she need to be careful on identifying her target, but let's not get carried away here.
2017-11-14 01:59:49 PM  
2 votes:
I'm still trying to figure out what the Fark is happening in the "Sugar Water" video and now an elk has died.
2017-11-15 11:22:13 AM  
1 vote:

abhorrent1: There are no elk known to be in that area and as TFA also pointed out, she's 14 and has probably never even seen an elk. They look similar enough that someone with little experience probably wouldn't know the difference at 100 yards or more.


Exactly.  We can't actually see how big some thing is, we figure that out from context.  Looking through a scope you don't have the big picture, just some trees around--and tress come in various sizes.  Thus you're not going to be able to tell that the animal is too big to be a deer.  Of the things she might expect to see through her scope by far the closest match to what she saw is "deer".  I'm not going to blame her.
2017-11-15 12:56:14 AM  
1 vote:
Let me pretend I'm her. I'm hunting whitetail deer. I see an animal, I want to shoot it. But first don't I have to make sure it's what I'm hunting? So that means I look at it and verify by sight it's a whitetail deer.

If it's not a whitetail deer then I can't shoot it. It's irrelevant what it is. It could be a person in a brown coat, an elk, a buffalo, a gigantic mutated warthog...but as long as it's not a whitetail deer I can't shoot it.

That's easy to understand isn't it?
2017-11-14 09:31:00 PM  
1 vote:

Birnone: abhorrent1: Yellow Beard: I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.

There are no elk known to be in that area and as TFA also pointed out, she's 14 and has probably never even seen an elk. They look similar enough that someone with little experience probably wouldn't know the difference at 100 yards or more.

I'm not a hunter, but even so I don't think that matters. If she's hunting whitetail deer then all she needs to know is if that animal she's about to shoot is a whitetail deer. Either it is or it isn't. Why would she need to know what an elk looks like? Then again maybe I'm missing something with this line of thought, since I'm not a hunter.


Because if she doesn't know what an Elk looks like, how do you expect her to know it's an Elk?

As far as anyone there was concerned, (even the DNR) until that day, there was one antlered animal that lived in that area and that is deer. She saw a large 4 legged animal with antlers and had no reason to think it was anything other than a deer because THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANYTHING ELSE THERE!

Why is this so hard for people to understand?
2017-11-14 07:15:30 PM  
1 vote:
 

Yellow Beard: I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.
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I agree.  This photo just now taken from my living room of animals that are a half-mile away.  There are two elk (cow/calf pair) and one white-tailed deer.  By hunting season, most current-year's elk calves are larger than most white-tailed bucks.

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/sorry I didn't get a better image with my crappy camera
//meanwhile, I have only seen mule deer in my yard
2017-11-14 06:52:48 PM  
1 vote:

carkiller: Herr Morgenstern: carkiller: [img.fark.net image 454x330]

/oblig

Yeah, I'm legit surprised. I didn't think they were hipster level underground or anything, but I honestly didn't expect a headline like this, or this many farkers to know who they are.

/Remembers their debut on 120 Minutes
//Sugar Water was an awesome video
///Squealed like a toddler when they appeared on Buffy

I remember the drummer in the band I was in bought Viva! La Woman when it came out, and was super excited to show it to all of us.  I'm not sure whether those were really better times for cool weird music, or I've just ossified in my autumn years.  Probably the ossification.


In the Beforetime, I was djing in a basement at a club in NYC, and was setting up. Cibo Matto was playing upstairs later, and Yuka Honda came downstairs to do warm-up vocal exercises. She did this for about 15 minutes ignoring me, before making small talk w/ me. She was sweet (we were the only people downstairs, and my heart may have skipped a beat).
2017-11-14 04:55:30 PM  
1 vote:

Herr Morgenstern: carkiller: [img.fark.net image 454x330]

/oblig

Yeah, I'm legit surprised. I didn't think they were hipster level underground or anything, but I honestly didn't expect a headline like this, or this many farkers to know who they are.

/Remembers their debut on 120 Minutes
//Sugar Water was an awesome video
///Squealed like a toddler when they appeared on Buffy


I remember the drummer in the band I was in bought Viva! La Woman when it came out, and was super excited to show it to all of us.  I'm not sure whether those were really better times for cool weird music, or I've just ossified in my autumn years.  Probably the ossification.
2017-11-14 04:48:53 PM  
1 vote:

carkiller: [img.fark.net image 454x330]

/oblig


Yeah, I'm legit surprised. I didn't think they were hipster level underground or anything, but I honestly didn't expect a headline like this, or this many farkers to know who they are.

/Remembers their debut on 120 Minutes
//Sugar Water was an awesome video
///Squealed like a toddler when they appeared on Buffy
2017-11-14 04:32:22 PM  
1 vote:

LL316: It's a farking gun, not a Playstation.


Sure, but she didn't shoot at the first thing that moved.  She more than likely knew it had horns was in the deer family and decided to shoot after a quick process of elimination.  An elk died, not a person.

She deserves a fine, but not a lifetime ban from hunting, IMO.
2017-11-14 03:12:21 PM  
1 vote:

NutSack: I've never seen an elk in Missouri, and this happened within 15 miles of where I live.  This girl has the only known kill of an elk in the county.

This is a much better article: https://www.columbiamissouria​n.com/news/local/year-old-girl-bags-fi​rst-ever-boone-county-elk/article_fec2​192e-c8cc-11e7-b4c9-e77c6e52c593.html

The girl:  "After looking at it, I felt pretty stupid," Wilson said, adding she was surprised she mistook such a big animal for a deer. "I couldn't believe it was an elk, especially not in Missouri."


But the fark hunting experts that all have degrees in  zoology and mammalogy have assured everyone that there's no way THEY would mistake an animal that doesn't exist where they live like this girl did.
2017-11-14 02:51:14 PM  
1 vote:

FlashHarry: Great, that song is in my head now.

Now to cue up Shonen Knife's "I Like Public Bath!"


I was always fond of 800 Cherries when it came to Japanese Female Pop from the 90s:

800 Cherries - Everybody Knows '98
Youtube 3whf1tsuOOM
2017-11-14 02:46:58 PM  
1 vote:
Great, that song is in my head now.

Now to cue up Shonen Knife's "I Like Public Bath!"
2017-11-14 02:31:34 PM  
1 vote:

abhorrent1: Yellow Beard: I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.

There are no elk known to be in that area and as TFA also pointed out, she's 14 and has probably never even seen an elk. They look similar enough that someone with little experience probably wouldn't know the difference at 100 yards or more.


Yea, if it is dark out and overcast so there is no moon light. If it was light enough to legally hunt, she may as well have confused a horse with a deer.

To be fair, I blame her father. Kids need to be taught to be sure of your target (and what's is beyond). Apparently, her father never showed her what a deer looks like. If she knew what deer looked like, she would have known that wasn't a deer she was shooting at.
2017-11-14 02:11:51 PM  
1 vote:
If the dad did not call there would be no potential trouble.
2017-11-14 01:51:42 PM  
1 vote:
I am not sure how it is possible to mistake an elk for a whitetailed deer. They truly are not similar other than both being 4 legged mammals. The size difference alone should be enough of a clue. Then add in that they are not even close to the same coloring.
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2017-11-14 01:46:29 PM  
1 vote:

Warthog: [Youtube COMWwwv_MTk image 480x360][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/COMWwwv_​MTk]


What the fark was that?

I made it slightly more than a minute in before I had to nope out.
2017-11-14 01:42:40 PM  
1 vote:
"Ann Elk"?
2017-11-14 01:41:22 PM  
1 vote:
She saw the antlers and a big brown body in the bushes.
And with one shot from her rifle Saturday, Abby Wilson, 14, killed what she thought was a very large white-tailed buck.  It wasn't.


That'll teach him for demanding a shrubbery...

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2017-11-14 12:12:56 PM  
1 vote:
WHO CARES?
I DON'T CARE!
A HORSE'S ASS IS BETTER THAN YOURS!
2017-11-14 11:55:58 AM  
1 vote:
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A feral Jersey cow - SHOOT IT!!
 
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