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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-14 11:29:16 AM  
Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.
 
2017-11-14 11:33:32 AM  
"From you, alright?  I learned it from you!"
 
2017-11-14 11:46:06 AM  
It works for the police.
 
2017-11-14 11:47:40 AM  
18 minutes.
 
2017-11-14 11:54:34 AM  

ZAZ: My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice


My bet is that most of these frat boys will squeal at the first opportunity.  If they don't, there's conspiracy and possibly RICO charges they can file.

The're likely spilling their guts right now.
 
2017-11-14 11:55:01 AM  

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


Where's Rosemary Woods when you need her?
 
2017-11-14 12:01:38 PM  
Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.
 
2017-11-14 12:27:01 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


do you think the frat bros know that?
 
2017-11-14 12:40:06 PM  
Why can't they haze them with weed?

Worst thing that will happen is they pig out and fall asleep.
 
2017-11-14 12:40:44 PM  

ManateeGag: do you think the frat bros know that?


South Park PC Principal What The Hell Is Going On
Youtube 6bFWGB3DINg
 
2017-11-14 12:41:21 PM  
The defendants will try to get a judge who went to Penn State and get the charges lowered or dropped. The DA who filed the charges lost her re-election. The person elected hasn't made any comments on the case.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:05 PM  
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:07 PM  
Who is anyone kidding. Did anyone check to make sure the lawyers/DA's didn't graduate from the same fraternity? Aren't they all "brothers in arms" and all that?

I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college. Well, not true...I did go to my friend's college for the parties but I never enrolled in a college.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:12 PM  

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


"How about a drink or 18?"
img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-14 12:50:18 PM  
This was already an episode on (insert any procedural that's been on two seasons)
 
2017-11-14 12:53:34 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


"The hard drive fell onto a half dozen nails, and then bounced into the ocean. I'm not sure which part."
 
2017-11-14 12:54:55 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.
 
2017-11-14 12:57:19 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.
 
2017-11-14 12:58:23 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us​/penn-​state-fraternity-hazing-death/index.ht​ml

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."
 
2017-11-14 12:59:47 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


3/10, had me for half the first sentence...
 
2017-11-14 01:01:54 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about... Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


What was the original thread this was posted in? It's like the treasury post.

If your going to do this do it right: DOD wipe the damn drive, or smash it with a 20lb sledge, or don't video your damn parties morans.

/also probably don't do more than like 4 drinks an hour
 
2017-11-14 01:02:07 PM  
From their home page:

Beta Theta Pi Fraternity Core Values: To build lasting bonds of friendship and brotherhood, Beta calls for...

Responsible Conduct

Betas choose to act responsibly, weighing the consequences of their actions on themselves and those around them.

Integrity
Betas preserve their character by doing what is morally right and demanding the same from their brothers.

From the news:
Beta Theta Pi brothers 'laughed' after emotional hearing, says [dead student] Tim Piazza's father
 
2017-11-14 01:02:15 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I love this.   Chip, we can always count on you!
 
2017-11-14 01:03:27 PM  
steklo:
I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college.

What don't you understand exactly? I don't think you need a college education to understand fraternities.

PS your post sounds slightly bitter
 
2017-11-14 01:03:32 PM  
18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.
 
2017-11-14 01:06:44 PM  
I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"
 
2017-11-14 01:07:26 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:45 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


I always read that as "fart bros." I don't think I'll ever grow up.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:47 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Are you kidding? You're talking about the warrior's code, something these nerds couldn't possibly understand.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:53 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

3/10, had me for half the first sentence...


but you see, he had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2017-11-14 01:09:18 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


More likely to film themselves having sex with women who didn't know they were being filmed.
 
2017-11-14 01:09:19 PM  
Parents, please teach your kids about alcohol before they head off to college. Letting them get sick in the safety of your house may prevent a regrettable experience covered in sharpie or a tragic death.

/Poor kid
 
2017-11-14 01:09:51 PM  
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
 
2017-11-14 01:11:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ZAZ: My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice

My bet is that most of these frat boys will squeal at the first opportunity.  If they don't, there's conspiracy and possibly RICO charges they can file.

The're likely spilling their guts right now.


They are well off and probably thoroughly lawyered up
 
2017-11-14 01:11:16 PM  
The worst charges/conviction in this will come from the attempted cover-up.  As is in a lot of crimes.
 
2017-11-14 01:11:40 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Not sure if stupid, ballsy or falling on a sword to try to protect his bros.
 
2017-11-14 01:12:22 PM  

DarkVader: AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."

Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.


Irrational but very occasionally justified cop hate aside, I don't see any reason for the cops to lie about this. Besides, unless this specific information was concrete I doubt it would have been made public.If they cops were lying they would have wanted to limit exposure as much as possible to avoid scrutiny.
 
2017-11-14 01:13:26 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


About the only way to delete the footage is to hope the dvr doesn't have a cloud backup and throw it in an industrial shredder.
 
2017-11-14 01:14:50 PM  

jaytkay: From their home page:

Beta Theta Pi Fraternity Core Values: To build lasting bonds of friendship and brotherhood, Beta calls for...

Responsible Conduct
Betas choose to act responsibly, weighing the consequences of their actions on themselves and those around them.

Integrity
Betas preserve their character by doing what is morally right and demanding the same from their brothers.

From the news:
Beta Theta Pi brothers 'laughed' after emotional hearing, says [dead student] Tim Piazza's father


FFS, how many cases similar to this have happened?  It'd be great to see a few of these farks do time and their fraternity charter revoked.
 
2017-11-14 01:15:28 PM  
Approves:

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2017-11-14 01:15:46 PM  
Priapetic: No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

A study done a few years ago (still searching for a citation) showed that the multiple overwrites with random or designed patterns are overkill; even a single wipe with zeroes is unrecoverable in practice. There are tools to read the edges of the bits, but it's about IIRC 60% to recover any single bit... this results in a 1.7% chance of recovering even a single byte, and exponentially lower for a single word of arbitrary length.
 
2017-11-14 01:16:02 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Came here to mention this, glad I scanned the thread first.

Most DVRs, surveillance or otherwise, are embedded Linux systems and use filesystems with timestamps that show when things are changed.  Unlike your old-meme VCR blinking "12:00", surveillance systems usually have their clock set right, either because you care when the video was recorded or because it's online and updates its clock itself.
 
2017-11-14 01:17:52 PM  
i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....
 
2017-11-14 01:18:13 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


Apparently not
 
2017-11-14 01:18:15 PM  

anuran: They are well off and probably thoroughly lawyered up


And the smartest lawyer among them is cutting a deal as we speak.
 
2017-11-14 01:18:47 PM  

mrsleep: Why can't they haze them with weed?

Worst thing that will happen is they pig out and fall asleep.


And the morning after, treat them with waffles mixed with weed.
 
2017-11-14 01:19:52 PM  
Penn State, sounds like a great place for kids to go to school.
 
2017-11-14 01:20:20 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Looks like we should start talking about the merits of the social Greek system again. Besides being friends for hire, why do we still have this system?
 
2017-11-14 01:21:31 PM  
Tampering with evidence video footage and lying about it? Pretty ironic, isn't it?
 
2017-11-14 01:26:20 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Those guys are rightly farked.
 
2017-11-14 01:27:41 PM  

steklo: Who is anyone kidding. Did anyone check to make sure the lawyers/DA's didn't graduate from the same fraternity? Aren't they all "brothers in arms" and all that?

I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college. Well, not true...I did go to my friend's college for the parties but I never enrolled in a college.


Secret societies meant to give their members an unfair advantage in dealings with the general public. Also, rape.

What's not to get?
 
2017-11-14 01:29:36 PM  
Wow. Turns out drunks and stupid IS no way to go through life.
 
2017-11-14 01:31:52 PM  
Well, there is being a frat boy, and that's probably a bit of a strike against you...
Then there is being a stupid frat boy...
Then there is being a stupid, hazing frat boy...
Then there is a being stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not owning up to it....
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence...
Then there is being a stupid hazing frat boy who killed someone with their hazing and stupidity, and not only not owning up to it, but trying to destroy evidence and failing to do so due to said stupidity...

Tell me why anyone needs this kind of brotherhood?
Tell me why the earth needs this kind of person?

/first rocket into the sun...
 
2017-11-14 01:45:38 PM  

MrKevvy: Priapetic: No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

A study done a few years ago (still searching for a citation) showed that the multiple overwrites with random or designed patterns are overkill; even a single wipe with zeroes is unrecoverable in practice. There are tools to read the edges of the bits, but it's about IIRC 60% to recover any single bit... this results in a 1.7% chance of recovering even a single byte, and exponentially lower for a single word of arbitrary length.


Unless it's the year 2017 and your hard drive has TRIM.
 
2017-11-14 01:48:15 PM  

Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.


I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?
 
2017-11-14 01:51:36 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


they've already charged the house manager with deleting the video and for attempting to destroy other evidence.

And just for fun, the same dude was nicked selling drugs and had enough to get nailed for distribution as well.

/he's having a bad year
 
2017-11-14 01:52:23 PM  

wildcardjack: This was already an episode on (insert any procedural that's been on two seasons)


Life imitates Art...poorly.
 
2017-11-14 01:52:44 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint
 
2017-11-14 01:56:02 PM  

rummonkey: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

Looks like we should start talking about the merits of the social Greek system again. Besides being friends for hire, why do we still have this system?


because they do community service,
which is impossible to do without being in a frat.
 
2017-11-14 01:58:22 PM  

tlchwi02: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint


Wow.... Well done.
 
2017-11-14 02:01:58 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Wow, there's a blast from the past.   Does anyone remember the original context of that FARK specific meme?
 
2017-11-14 02:05:26 PM  

ObscureNameHere: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Wow, there's a blast from the past.   Does anyone remember the original context of that FARK specific meme?


Lol, sound like every dudebro I've ever met while having my car serviced at the local dealership.
 
2017-11-14 02:05:52 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now!
 
2017-11-14 02:06:24 PM  
Can they give the whole university the death penalty?
 
2017-11-14 02:06:56 PM  
Hmmm if only there was a way to retrieve deleted info on a DVR. Oh wait... lol. good move dude bro.
 
2017-11-14 02:10:18 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


"YEAH!  Hey, remember that night we all butt-chugged together then drew dicks on the passed out guys?  That was a great time!"
 
2017-11-14 02:14:36 PM  

steklo: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.


sounds like a sure way to hire the wrong person
 
2017-11-14 02:14:51 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I do have a couple friendships which are lifetime from my fraternity days.  I'm afraid I missed out on the top-shelf pussy.  Got far more when I was in the work world.

I did actually secure a job because a partner was in the same fraternity (BTP - same one involved in the Penn State case).  It came up randomly on discussions about college.  But if justice and karma is anything, that guy was literally the worst boss I've ever had.  He was a sociopath  ( a sociopath from a frat? go figure!).  I only lasted a year or so in that job - so much for frat connections.  And I've been in the work world for decades and that was the only time that's ever come up.

I'm generally glad that I joined a fraternity.  It was a decent experience in college.  OTOH, it really doesn't define me.  That stuff was a looooong time ago.   I know that Farkers like to think that all persons who were in a frat are all of the same negative ilk.  To be fair, there were some, and then were plenty of people like me who enjoyed living in the house, smoking dope, going to parties and didn't hurt anyone (nor did anyone in my class AFAIK). Just like I'm sure there are plenty of people who maybe played football in HS and it didn't turn them into jerks later in life.
 
2017-11-14 02:14:57 PM  

soupafi: Can they give the whole university the death penalty?


I think this was at Penn State.  They can't even give a football team the death penalty.
 
2017-11-14 02:15:06 PM  

AntonChigger: This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Braxton's lawyer needs to try some affluenza-type defense. Argue that once his parents named him Braxton Becker, he had no choice but to become a stereotypical frat douche who then goes on to tamper with evidence that shows a hazing related death.
 
2017-11-14 02:15:54 PM  

Turbo Cojones: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

"YEAH!  Hey, remember that night we all butt-chugged together then drew dicks on the passed out guys?  That was a great time!"


Messing with passed out people is a great game regardless of greek affiliation. Our rules were simple:
If you are passed out with shoes on, you are fair game. If you passed out with shoes off, you meant to go to sleep, and therefore are safe. You could have fell asleep on the stairs in a puddle of your own filth, and as long as your shoes were off, you were safe.

The usual price for passing out was an eyebrow.
 
2017-11-14 02:18:33 PM  

steklo: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.


See, your wife still likes it from the frat guys that were giving it to her back in college.
 
2017-11-14 02:22:16 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


Guess that's why they should've had at least one nerd.
 
2017-11-14 02:26:01 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".
 
2017-11-14 02:28:28 PM  
If you let your kid go to Penn State, you obviously don't care very much about them.
 
2017-11-14 02:29:56 PM  
Seriously, what were these frat guys thinking? Only the police can delete video.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2017-11-14 02:34:56 PM  

The_Flatline: Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".


Being safe means NOT pledging a frat.
 
2017-11-14 02:36:49 PM  
From Penn State to the State Pen....

an oldie.
 
2017-11-14 02:41:04 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Or lying plus deleting the video =    criminal conspiracy
 
2017-11-14 02:41:12 PM  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.
 
2017-11-14 02:42:16 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


They do now Brofessor...

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2017-11-14 02:43:25 PM  

Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.


Shirley Temples don't count.
 
2017-11-14 02:58:00 PM  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


A friend of mine makes aluminum sculptures. So when I need some data to disappear, I just borrow his forge for a little bit. There's a lot of slag, but he
 appreciates the free Al.
 
2017-11-14 03:00:12 PM  

ScarabDrac: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

A friend of mine makes aluminum sculptures. So when I need some data to disappear, I just borrow his forge for a little bit. There's a lot of slag, but he
 appreciates the free Al.


Of course, when I say I need to make data disappear I mean I have a spare HDD and feel like melting it down. Surprisingly fun
 
2017-11-14 03:02:57 PM  

Voiceofreason01


interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding. I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times. Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation. If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS). The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press. For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Don't worry about it. He didn't do any of those things.

Anyone who claims to have "slice[d]" a GLASS disk platter "with a band saw" - multiple times, no less - is a terrible liar who does not understand hard disk construction.

That, and there is no way to run something "through a drill press". A drill press moves the bit vertically; there is no "through".
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-14 03:04:15 PM  
Thanks for the update AntonChigger. Looks like another frat member is in for a paddling.

Deleting while police were there reminded me of one of my favorite moments of the Iran-Contra hearings, Oliver North asking "Did I get them all?" in a discusion about shredding documents. (If I recall correctly, that earned him a kick under the table from his lawyer.)

Sort of on point, the Iran-Contra hearings were the first time I remember the public learning that delete doesn't really mean delete on a computer. Paper files were gone when shredded, but deleted computer files might come back to destroy plausible deniability.
 
2017-11-14 03:04:41 PM  

SpectroBoy: Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.

Shirley Temples don't count.


I wish they were shirley temples.....but you still get a funny any way.
Thanks for the chuckle
 
2017-11-14 03:05:04 PM  

d23: The_Flatline: Some rich alumni fark overhauled the house and installed the security system after a previous horrible incident a few years earlier in a placating bid to make the fraternity "more safe".

Being safe means NOT pledging a frat.


I looked at joining a frat way back when I was in school because I had several friends that were members of different houses. But when I attended their functions you realize there is nothing dumber than a group of frat brothers. For folks that individually seemed quite smart, once you gather them in a group the stupid reigns.
 
2017-11-14 03:11:27 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


The alumnus who paid for the renovation of the house was tired of the damage and had it installed, if I recall correctly. He wanted the damaging parties to pay up.
 
2017-11-14 03:13:57 PM  

garumph: there is nothing dumber than a group of frat brothers.


That.  Right there.
I spent the summer renting a room from a frat (cheap place to stay)
The place was a pigsty, the "brothers" barely functioning and terminally clueless about anything except drinking and smoking.

When I went back, ten years later, the place had been turned into the Placement Office.  I'm assuming they spent their mortgage money on keggers.  Must have cost the Uni a pretty penny to rebuild the place. When I was there, the floors were splintered plywood, there were no doorknobs and the kitchen was a grease pit with a sink piled high with filthy commercial pots and pans.

Phi Mu Delta at UMass Amherst, if anyone knows it.
 
2017-11-14 03:14:00 PM  

AntonChigger: "He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Good FSM, that's the funniest and most stupid thing I've read all day.  This is the level of thinking in our institutions of higher learning?

/that was rhetorical.
/I know it's the level of thinking
/I live in the USA, after all
 
2017-11-14 03:17:48 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


If I were being charitable, I'd think that maybe it was a requirement of one of their insurers.

Much more likely, it's to film sorority girls getting farked without consent to be recorded.
 
2017-11-14 03:19:53 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


From other reports on hazing I have read, they were put in many frat houses by the president of the chapter or previous brothers that rebuilt or built the house and wanted them in there.
 
2017-11-14 03:24:00 PM  

Voiceofreason01: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Or, stop being so poor that you can't afford a modern drive, since every SSD and many SSHDs support TRIM, and since the storage doesn't work the same, a single erase is sufficient.
 
2017-11-14 03:26:13 PM  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


Or maybe a little?
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2017-11-14 03:37:01 PM  

tlchwi02: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

The Atlantic did a very stomach churning piece on all this that explained It- the house was extensively renovated by a wealthy alum awhile back because it had fallen into near condemn levels of neglect.

Frat boys, being who they are, trashed the newly renovated house partying, so said alum demanded they install this system or he would pull his support. It was mainly there so they wouldn't wreck up the joint


gut wrenching
 
2017-11-14 03:43:43 PM  
-kai-

smh
 
2017-11-14 04:05:30 PM  

Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.


My cousin thought it a good idea to make a few bucks to offer to take a loved one's ashes up in a small plane and scatter the remains. He didn't realize that much of the ashes blow back into the plane rather than drifting softly down on to the lake, mountainside or wherever.
I'm thinking offering to jettison a incriminating computer into s lake, reservoir, bay, etc might get the business back to a profit
 
2017-11-14 04:05:51 PM  

T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....


Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?
 
2017-11-14 04:08:05 PM  
Yes? No? Too old?

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2017-11-14 04:08:51 PM  

darwinpolice: Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"

If I were being charitable, I'd think that maybe it was a requirement of one of their insurers.

Much more likely, it's to film sorority girls getting farked without consent to be recorded.


I would guess that its primary purpose is for minor criminal infractions.  Who started a fight, that kind of thing.  The bonus pron would be a side benefit
 
2017-11-14 04:13:28 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I had no desire to join a frat, had my fair share of girlfriends when the male:female ratio was very stacked against me, I made life long bonds in college, and frankly I steer clear of top shelf douchebags who use the expression "top shelf pussy."

I sure missed out, yessir.
 
2017-11-14 04:22:11 PM  

DarkVader: AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."

Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.



What's the odds that he was logged in on his personal, password protected account when he did this.
 
2017-11-14 04:39:10 PM  
I'm sure their version of Abby and McGee can unerase it...
 
2017-11-14 04:41:24 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Approves:

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Even better:

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2017-11-14 05:15:44 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?

Apparently not


I'll bet they do now.
 
2017-11-14 05:41:44 PM  

peasandcarrots: Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?



That's what I don't get. Why would anyone structure a club such that it consists of only people who are SO desperate to belong that they will allow themselves to be humiliated just to join. Sort of a "loser club".
 
2017-11-14 05:44:35 PM  

interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?


If you're going to take the platters out why not just heat them to the curie point with a rosebud?  It's faster and 100% certain.
 
2017-11-14 05:57:33 PM  
They will squeal.
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...still worthy of being a 'BairdMan.
 
2017-11-14 06:37:44 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


Security system was installed by a former frat member that donated huge money to renovate the frat building and didn't like that it was getting trashed again.  He was getting pissed off about what his frat had become so he installed the cameras to help police their behavior.

Imagine: this is how these guys behaved KNOWING they were being recorded.
 
2017-11-14 06:48:45 PM  
Why would there even be cameras in the hazing room, a. k. a. "basement?"  Who thought that recording secret initiation rites was a good idea?
 
2017-11-14 06:52:10 PM  

peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?


The hell is for THEIR own benefit... not mine.... Once you make it through the hell, its a feeling of ecstasy.  Its a feeling of achievement.    And there is a bonding agent because they went through the same thing.

The kid who ran for mayor?  Well, i didn't make him drink the bong... I didn't personally really haze.   But the kid who made him drink it did so because the mayor-kid made it known that he was staunchly against pot.   Never give the actives any ammunition for ways to get to you.   But... he's my facebook friend, and kid who made him drink the bong is also my facebook friend.    I'd have to defer to him if it was worth it, but truth be told, he could've refused, and its not like he would've been kicked out for something so silly.    Sometimes, you do stuff, just because its less hassle than getting your ass beat.
 
2017-11-14 08:40:10 PM  
Well in any event, I'm still pissed that I missed out on all that top shelf pussy that I could have just taken as a frat member back in the day.
 
2017-11-14 08:52:55 PM  

Voiceofreason01: interstellar_tedium: Priapetic: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

I used to overwrite disks with "random" 1's and 0's (as random as the machine could make) 7+ times and then take the disk to the machine shop for 4 runs through the drill press.  For really sensitive stuff I would also remove the platters hit them with a sander and then slice them up in an industrial shredder or slice them with a band saw.

Paranoid, moi?

Exposing yourself to the dust from grinding and drilling that stuff(which I have to believe is a carcinogen) is probably a lot more of a risky than the danger posed by someone possibly getting their hands on your discarded hentai collection.


Dude not my disks but work disks with financial info like bank account numbers and SSNs back before everyone and their Russian/Bulgarian/Ukrainian/whatever brother or sister was hacking the hell out of things, plus I know enough to wear a mask because I ain't stupid.
 
2017-11-14 09:23:20 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Someone told the cops it was inoperable. They have that person for lying/obstruction or whatever the state law is on lying to police during an investigation. Maybe they can pressure that person to flip on the others, or he gets to shoulder the whole thing himself. Unless the police were helping to cover it up, names should be attributed to statements on the reports.
 
2017-11-14 11:46:20 PM  
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2017-11-15 12:01:36 AM  

T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....


Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
 
2017-11-15 12:15:52 AM  

T.rex: peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?

The hell is for THEIR own benefit... not mine.... Once you make it through the hell, its a feeling of ecstasy.  Its a feeling of achievement.    And there is a bonding agent because they went through the same thing.

The kid who ran for mayor?  Well, i didn't make him drink the bong... I didn't personally really haze.   But the kid who made him drink it did so because the mayor-kid made it known that he was staunchly against pot.   Never give the actives any ammunition for ways to get to you.   But... he's my facebook friend, and kid who made him drink the bong is also my facebook friend.    I'd have to defer to him if it was worth it, but truth be told, he could've refused, and its not like he would've been kicked out for something so silly.    Sometimes, you do stuff, just because its less hassle than getting your ass beat.


Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.
 
2017-11-15 12:56:40 AM  

Publikwerks: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.


Bra-Farking-vo
 
2017-11-15 01:15:06 AM  
CSB: Many years ago one of my friends and I wandered into a bar/strip club we hadn't been in before. It was afternoon so business was slow. We were ordering some drinks and talking to the owner (who was mixing drinks because the bartender was late).

We had noticed by this point that every table had obviously had rounded corners, every table and chair in the place was bolted down, and there were about a dozen security cameras. We were (good naturedly) teasing him about it and he goes "the insurance company offered me a hell of a deal to do all this."

Apparently, some other dive strip club had had a huge brawl break out. The place got smashed to hell, the cops showed up and arrested a bunch of people. The officer in charge went to that owner and demanded the video tapes from the cameras that were mounted in the strip club because everyone's story was basically

"Well other people started fighting and I was caught in the middle! Self defense!"

And the owner had apparently installed fake cameras to save money.
 
2017-11-15 09:34:10 AM  

peasandcarrots: T.rex: i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....

Maybe you can answer a question that's been bugging me. Why put new members through hell just for your friendship? I mean, is your social approval really that much of a prize?

"Sure, you can be my friend...but first you have to sit naked in a bucket of ice water for eight hours while a dozen other members beat you with sticks." About that time, I'd be finding a different friend.

That kid who ran for mayor: is he still your friend, or did he drink from a bong for nothing?


Its the downside to accepting a "friends for hire" system of socialization.
 
2017-11-15 10:28:57 AM  

Yellow Beard: 18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.


Sounds like breakfast, but I don't have any staircases in my house to fall down multiple times in one night.
 
2017-11-15 12:37:37 PM  
rga184:
Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.


Hazing has nothing do with friendship....  Every kid in the house are not going to be best friends... You form friends with certain dudes in a frat, no different than how you form them out of a frat.... thru mutual interests and compatible personalities.   My best friends in the frat were among those in my pledge class... the ones who i went thru the fire with, and got to know, along the way....   Hazing is just about going through shiat, to come out on the other side, and belong to an organization that has a budget to feed you, house you, and throw killer parties for you.     Its never about widening your social circle, unless you of course, you're talking about meeting girls.  It does that too.    Living in a house with 60 other crazy dudes, all of whom, are somewhat cool, is just icing on the cake, but it wasn't the goal.
 
2017-11-15 02:52:19 PM  

T.rex: rga184:
Why haze?  It's just dumb.  Hi, welcome.  We're going to degrade you before we make you our friend.
Yeah, you just made my opinion of your frat even worse.

Hazing has nothing do with friendship....  Every kid in the house are not going to be best friends... You form friends with certain dudes in a frat, no different than how you form them out of a frat.... thru mutual interests and compatible personalities.   My best friends in the frat were among those in my pledge class... the ones who i went thru the fire with, and got to know, along the way....   Hazing is just about going through shiat, to come out on the other side, and belong to an organization that has a budget to feed you, house you, and throw killer parties for you.     Its never about widening your social circle, unless you of course, you're talking about meeting girls.  It does that too.    Living in a house with 60 other crazy dudes, all of whom, are somewhat cool, is just icing on the cake, but it wasn't the goal.


I don't want to harp on this much, but you're sort of confirming my prejudices here. You're basically describing a cult. I'm really, really looking for an "out" here, and I'm not finding it.

I mean, of course when you're taking an ass-beating, there's going to be a "feeling of ecstasy" when they stop. "That kid who drank the bong-water, he didn't really have to, but he exposed a weakness, and we just HAD to exploit that weakness. There's nothing like the fire-forged friendship you share with people who you talk to on Facebook once in a while."

When I joined the Junior Classical League, I had to bob for apples in plain Jell-O. That was it. Nobody "exploited my weaknesses." Ever been to a Junior Classical League meeting? EVERY party is a toga party.

I don't want to take away what you had, and clearly Greek life isn't for everyone. My mother was Phi Mu, and my Dad was Alpha Gamma Rho, back in the 1960s. I went to a Tau Kappa Epsilon mixer in the early 1990s and decided it wasn't for me. ("Teek" was pretty notorious and their house was a shack. Next to Sigma Nu it was like Animal House next to Omega Theta Pi. Spoiler alert - that kind of thing is only funny in the movies.)

But the thing that frosts my chaps is that my own experiences indicate that I'm under no obligation to associate a fraternal order with abuse of the newbies, and maybe I just have too broad a definition of "abuse." So I get additionally annoyed whenever I read about yet another idiot kid who wound up dead because he was trying too hard to fit in with a bunch of other idiot kids, and the other idiot kids are marshalling all their white upper-middle-class resources to cover it up.
 
2017-11-15 06:50:32 PM  

peasandcarrots: I don't want to harp on this much, but you're sort of confirming my prejudices here. You're basically describing a cult. I'm really, really looking for an "out" here, and I'm not finding it.


I don't mind you having prejudices..  Not at all. I'm not trying to convince you of a single thing.   I've been out of college for 25 years, but even back when i was attending, i could still relate to people having an aversion to fraternities.   My reason for posting was purely anecdotal.

As i said, i was pressured into it because i was a legacy, but in the end, i was glad for the experience.  it toughened me up, and gave my fodder to reminisce.
 
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