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(NPR)   Fraternity: "Those cameras weren't working the night a pledge died." Police: "Then why does it appear that the footage was manually deleted?" Fraternity: *Smoke Bomb*   ( npr.org) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2017-11-14 11:29:16 AM  
Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.
 
2017-11-14 11:33:32 AM  
"From you, alright?  I learned it from you!"
 
2017-11-14 11:46:06 AM  
It works for the police.
 
2017-11-14 11:47:40 AM  
18 minutes.
 
2017-11-14 11:54:34 AM  

ZAZ: My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice


My bet is that most of these frat boys will squeal at the first opportunity.  If they don't, there's conspiracy and possibly RICO charges they can file.

The're likely spilling their guts right now.
 
2017-11-14 11:55:01 AM  

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


Where's Rosemary Woods when you need her?
 
2017-11-14 12:01:38 PM  
Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.
 
2017-11-14 12:27:01 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


do you think the frat bros know that?
 
2017-11-14 12:40:06 PM  
Why can't they haze them with weed?

Worst thing that will happen is they pig out and fall asleep.
 
2017-11-14 12:40:44 PM  

ManateeGag: do you think the frat bros know that?


South Park PC Principal What The Hell Is Going On
Youtube 6bFWGB3DINg
 
2017-11-14 12:41:21 PM  
The defendants will try to get a judge who went to Penn State and get the charges lowered or dropped. The DA who filed the charges lost her re-election. The person elected hasn't made any comments on the case.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:05 PM  
All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:07 PM  
Who is anyone kidding. Did anyone check to make sure the lawyers/DA's didn't graduate from the same fraternity? Aren't they all "brothers in arms" and all that?

I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college. Well, not true...I did go to my friend's college for the parties but I never enrolled in a college.
 
2017-11-14 12:47:12 PM  

Deep Contact: 18 minutes.


"How about a drink or 18?"
img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-14 12:50:18 PM  
This was already an episode on (insert any procedural that's been on two seasons)
 
2017-11-14 12:53:34 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


"The hard drive fell onto a half dozen nails, and then bounced into the ocean. I'm not sure which part."
 
2017-11-14 12:54:55 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Heh heh, just what I need a down and out on their luck "brother" who finds out where I live so that they can come over, sleep on my sofa, have sex with my wife and drink my booze all because We were in the Gamma Omega Delta club.

But I can see how it can come in handy if I needed a job at the local fortune 500 company when the interviewer sees my resume and that I was a part of Gamma Omega Delta...

"You're in"

"But I didn't tell you about my accomplishments"

"No need. Brother." and he comes over and gives me the secret Gamma Omega Delta handshake and winks.

"We got you covered Bro."

Now, yeah that would be cool.
 
2017-11-14 12:57:19 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.
 
2017-11-14 12:58:23 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us​/penn-​state-fraternity-hazing-death/index.ht​ml

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."
 
2017-11-14 12:59:47 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


3/10, had me for half the first sentence...
 
2017-11-14 01:01:54 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about... Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


What was the original thread this was posted in? It's like the treasury post.

If your going to do this do it right: DOD wipe the damn drive, or smash it with a 20lb sledge, or don't video your damn parties morans.

/also probably don't do more than like 4 drinks an hour
 
2017-11-14 01:02:07 PM  
From their home page:

Beta Theta Pi Fraternity Core Values: To build lasting bonds of friendship and brotherhood, Beta calls for...

Responsible Conduct

Betas choose to act responsibly, weighing the consequences of their actions on themselves and those around them.

Integrity
Betas preserve their character by doing what is morally right and demanding the same from their brothers.

From the news:
Beta Theta Pi brothers 'laughed' after emotional hearing, says [dead student] Tim Piazza's father
 
2017-11-14 01:02:15 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


I love this.   Chip, we can always count on you!
 
2017-11-14 01:03:27 PM  
steklo:
I never understood the fraternity thing. Then again, I never went to college. Not even community college.

What don't you understand exactly? I don't think you need a college education to understand fraternities.

PS your post sounds slightly bitter
 
2017-11-14 01:03:32 PM  
18 drinks in 82 minutes, eh? Back in my drinking days, that was known as warming up.
 
2017-11-14 01:06:44 PM  
I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"
 
2017-11-14 01:07:26 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:45 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


I always read that as "fart bros." I don't think I'll ever grow up.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:47 PM  

ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.


Are you kidding? You're talking about the warrior's code, something these nerds couldn't possibly understand.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:53 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ChipNASA: All of you Farkers are hating on a tradition you know nothing about, you all must have been pencil-necked pizza-faced geeks in the Chess Club, fraternity brothers get access to more top-shelf pussy than you could shake a stick at, and the relationships you make in the Brotherhood will last you a lifetime.

3/10, had me for half the first sentence...


but you see, he had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2017-11-14 01:09:18 PM  

Publikwerks: I have to ask.....

Who is the genius that had the security system installed. What scenario did they have in mind that spending the $1k+ on a security system seemed like a good idea.

"You know, in case someone steals the beer pong table?"


More likely to film themselves having sex with women who didn't know they were being filmed.
 
2017-11-14 01:09:19 PM  
Parents, please teach your kids about alcohol before they head off to college. Letting them get sick in the safety of your house may prevent a regrettable experience covered in sharpie or a tragic death.

/Poor kid
 
2017-11-14 01:09:51 PM  
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
 
2017-11-14 01:11:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ZAZ: My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice

My bet is that most of these frat boys will squeal at the first opportunity.  If they don't, there's conspiracy and possibly RICO charges they can file.

The're likely spilling their guts right now.


They are well off and probably thoroughly lawyered up
 
2017-11-14 01:11:16 PM  
The worst charges/conviction in this will come from the attempted cover-up.  As is in a lot of crimes.
 
2017-11-14 01:11:40 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Not sure if stupid, ballsy or falling on a sword to try to protect his bros.
 
2017-11-14 01:12:22 PM  

DarkVader: AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."

Do they have video of that?

Because the only people more likely to lie than frat bros are cops.


Irrational but very occasionally justified cop hate aside, I don't see any reason for the cops to lie about this. Besides, unless this specific information was concrete I doubt it would have been made public.If they cops were lying they would have wanted to limit exposure as much as possible to avoid scrutiny.
 
2017-11-14 01:13:26 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.


About the only way to delete the footage is to hope the dvr doesn't have a cloud backup and throw it in an industrial shredder.
 
2017-11-14 01:14:50 PM  

jaytkay: From their home page:

Beta Theta Pi Fraternity Core Values: To build lasting bonds of friendship and brotherhood, Beta calls for...

Responsible Conduct
Betas choose to act responsibly, weighing the consequences of their actions on themselves and those around them.

Integrity
Betas preserve their character by doing what is morally right and demanding the same from their brothers.

From the news:
Beta Theta Pi brothers 'laughed' after emotional hearing, says [dead student] Tim Piazza's father


FFS, how many cases similar to this have happened?  It'd be great to see a few of these farks do time and their fraternity charter revoked.
 
2017-11-14 01:15:28 PM  
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2017-11-14 01:15:46 PM  
Priapetic: No kidding.  I did a paper on forensic data recovery back in law school and at the time the DoD standard used to be to overwrite every sector at least seven times.  Now I don't think they allow any software-based sanitation.  If you're an idiot and just hit Delete all you're doing is removing the entry in the file allocation table (or whatever corresponds in your OS).  The data is still sitting exactly where it was on the drive, it's just marginally harder to find.

A study done a few years ago (still searching for a citation) showed that the multiple overwrites with random or designed patterns are overkill; even a single wipe with zeroes is unrecoverable in practice. There are tools to read the edges of the bits, but it's about IIRC 60% to recover any single bit... this results in a 1.7% chance of recovering even a single byte, and exponentially lower for a single word of arbitrary length.
 
2017-11-14 01:16:02 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Came here to mention this, glad I scanned the thread first.

Most DVRs, surveillance or otherwise, are embedded Linux systems and use filesystems with timestamps that show when things are changed.  Unlike your old-meme VCR blinking "12:00", surveillance systems usually have their clock set right, either because you care when the video was recorded or because it's online and updates its clock itself.
 
2017-11-14 01:17:52 PM  
i was in that same frat, different school.
I was a 'legacy', meaning my brother was already in, and I'm sure i would not have willingly opted go Greek without out that connection.   But in the end, i did meet friends for life, and living in a frat house with a cook, and parties and membership dues was still actually much much cheaper than living in University housing.

Anyway, the disclaimers aside, i just wanted to say that the Penn St kids were idiots.   My chapter prided ourselves on being one of the 'hardest hazing houses in the country.' (I'm sure it wasn't true, but it sounded plausible enough for people to repeat it).     And there was never ONCE any forced drinking.  (well, one kid who actually just ran for Mayor of Cleveland last year, was made to drink down a marijuana bong one time, with me watching.... but not alcohol... thats playing with poision.   Our chapter was 200 years old, one of the first in the country, and i guess in that timeframe, you learn what you can do and not do.... These Penn St kids did what you shouldn't do....
 
2017-11-14 01:18:13 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: Protip: "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean deleted.

do you think the frat bros know that?


Apparently not
 
2017-11-14 01:18:15 PM  

anuran: They are well off and probably thoroughly lawyered up


And the smartest lawyer among them is cutting a deal as we speak.
 
2017-11-14 01:18:47 PM  

mrsleep: Why can't they haze them with weed?

Worst thing that will happen is they pig out and fall asleep.


And the morning after, treat them with waffles mixed with weed.
 
2017-11-14 01:19:52 PM  
Penn State, sounds like a great place for kids to go to school.
 
2017-11-14 01:20:20 PM  

ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.


Looks like we should start talking about the merits of the social Greek system again. Besides being friends for hire, why do we still have this system?
 
2017-11-14 01:21:31 PM  
Tampering with evidence video footage and lying about it? Pretty ironic, isn't it?
 
2017-11-14 01:26:20 PM  

AntonChigger: ZAZ: Quoting the press release: However, after later examining one of the DVR surveillance boxes, State College Police uncovered evidence that the basement camera footage had actually been manually deleted just as State College Police were poised to take possession of the recording equipment.

My bet is they won't be able to pin the destruction of evidence on any specific person, so it won't be useful as evidence of guilt or to charge obstruction of justice.  All it says is somebody at the fraternity was worried about what the video showed. Maybe somebody who wasn't involved deleted the evidence.

This article is behind on its information. As per cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/us/​penn-state-fraternity-hazing-death/ind​ex.html

"Prosecutors previously believed that the basement cameras were not working, but Parks Miller said Monday that fraternity member Braxton Becker deleted the basement footage while police were in the house to collect it.
Becker is charged with tampering with evidence, obstructing justice and hindering apprehension. His attorney, Karen Muir, could not immediately be reached for comment.
"He deleted it in front of the police," Parks Miller said, adding that the forensic analysis showed Becker made "a series of deliberate commands" on the machine to delete the basement portion of the video."


Those guys are rightly farked.
 
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