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(Slate)   Three more people under investigation for sexual misconduct. Are they: A: Politicians? B: Celebrities? or C: Tenured professors from the psychological and brain sciences department at Dartmouth?   ( slate.com) divider line
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2017-11-14 09:41:37 AM  
Transfer to Brown.
 
2017-11-14 09:50:58 AM  
Is the answer C?

*clicks article*

Figures. :-/
 
2017-11-14 10:12:20 AM  
D)
 
2017-11-14 10:19:22 AM  
BSABSVR
 
2017-11-14 11:49:59 AM  
 
2017-11-14 12:53:29 PM  
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2017-11-14 12:56:41 PM  
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2017-11-14 12:59:01 PM  
The point of the story is not that psychology professors are corrupt. The point should be that we need to monitor the actions of people in positions of power.
Even if the ones in power are left-wing, right-wing, 'independent', religious, non-religious, or Presbyterian.
Even if the people they have power over are children, students, suspects, servicemembers, employees, or the citizens of the United States of America.

Those in positions of power need to have their actions scrutinized by the public and by organizations dedicated to maintaining the high standards of office. This is why we need a free press. This is why we need an impartial legal system. This is why we need oversight committees. This is why we need checks and balances.

/rant over.
 
2017-11-14 01:00:36 PM  
Good. Drag them all into the light.
 
2017-11-14 01:07:20 PM  
The witch hunts continue.

Yes there are some truly evil people out there.

There are a lot of "victims" dredging up ancient history  too.

//lude
 
2017-11-14 01:08:39 PM  
Lol! Wait until they get to the chair of the psyche department at the uw around 1992.
 
2017-11-14 01:09:48 PM  

draypresct: The point of the story is not that psychology professors are corrupt. The point should be that we need to monitor the actions of people in positions of power.
Even if the ones in power are left-wing, right-wing, 'independent', religious, non-religious, or Presbyterian.
Even if the people they have power over are children, students, suspects, servicemembers, employees, or the citizens of the United States of America.

Those in positions of power need to have their actions scrutinized by the public and by organizations dedicated to maintaining the high standards of office. This is why we need a free press. This is why we need an impartial legal system. This is why we need oversight committees. This is why we need checks and balances.

/rant over.


The point of this story is that sexual harassment is getting clicks now so they rehashed a story posted two weeks ago.
 
2017-11-14 01:11:50 PM  
I'm pretty sure all of the mods have molested me at one time or another. And Drew made me drink till I passed out.
 
2017-11-14 01:13:11 PM  

lude: The witch hunts continue.

Yes there are some truly evil people out there.

There are a lot of "victims" dredging up ancient history  too.

//lude


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2017-11-14 01:23:15 PM  

Snapper Carr: Good. Drag them all into the light.


Especially in academia.  We can't have tolerance for this here- getting a faculty position is incredibly cutthroat but unlike industry, it's not possible to be anonymous and just go elsewhere.  In your little subfield everyone knows everyone else, so having one of the big names decide to be a dick means you can get frozen out entirely if you fight it.

/Was really sad to see the recent spate of problems in astronomy- it's a field where a lot of the core work was done by women.
 
2017-11-14 01:25:29 PM  
I heard a student, hopefully, jokingly talk to her friend about trying to sleep with her professor for a better grade.  Walking past her I commented, "you better make sure you keep the lights off."
 
2017-11-14 01:33:27 PM  
This is why you should wait until your married to have sex.
 
2017-11-14 01:51:17 PM  

lude: The witch hunts continue.

Yes there are some truly evil people out there.

There are a lot of "victims" dredging up ancient history  too.

//lude


If it's history, it's true; if it's true, you can choke on the quotation marks.
 
2017-11-14 01:57:26 PM  
As I've said before, any place that has men in positions of power over women is rife with sexual misconduct.

So, everywhere.
 
2017-11-14 02:05:14 PM  
So when I was in college in the 90's it was pretty common practice of students and professors dating (at least at my college).  Had a anthropology professor talk about his "muse", which he got a new one every couple of years.  She got A's out of the deal.

Now i have a daughter in college (different college), and she says that she cant even go into an office of a professor without someone being there.  So if the dept. Secretary is there they can talk in the prof's office, with the door open.  If no one is around other than the prof or TA, she has to leave.  School policy is that staff cant shut a door with a student in the room, unless there is a second staff member there.

I am glad things are changing for the better.
 
2017-11-14 02:16:31 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Snapper Carr: Good. Drag them all into the light.

Especially in academia.  We can't have tolerance for this here- getting a faculty position is incredibly cutthroat but unlike industry, it's not possible to be anonymous and just go elsewhere.  In your little subfield everyone knows everyone else, so having one of the big names decide to be a dick means you can get frozen out entirely if you fight it.

/Was really sad to see the recent spate of problems in astronomy- it's a field where a lot of the core work was done by women.


Never mind getting faculty positions, consider how much a grad student's career depends on the political clout of the advisor.  When big power gets combined with personal/political issues, you know there is going to be a lot of corruption.  Corporate, political, academic, religious: it all doesn't matter - it will become corrupt.
/how does that saying go, the politics is vicious because of irrelevance?
//maybe it is all about the harrasment opportunities
///expect that to drive some ambition anyway
 
2017-11-14 02:20:23 PM  

IamAwake: lude: The witch hunts continue.

Yes there are some truly evil people out there.

There are a lot of "victims" dredging up ancient history  too.

//lude

If it's history, it's true; if it's true, you can choke on the quotation marks.


Agreed - if it happened, no matter when, pay for your sins.  I think it's great that women finally are starting to feel like they can stand up and tell their stories. Unfortunately, people being people, we run the risk of getting into a mode of "believe first, worry about truth later", and some innocent people will get caught up in the collective fury.  This isn't new, it's just going to be more frequent now.  Personally, if only a single person speaks up...I'm tending to wait for something else to drop before I sharpen my pitchfork and light my torch....but if 15 women say you were a jerk, you were a jerk.
 
2017-11-14 02:23:59 PM  
Male students get summarily expelled when they are accused. Let's see how far the same applies to professors.
 
2017-11-14 02:25:53 PM  

Burr: [img.fark.net image 800x450]


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2017-11-14 02:30:01 PM  
I groped a coworker in the office more than a few times.  She never reported anything.

Hell, most people didn't even know we were seeing each other until well after we broke up and that relationship lasted 4 years.
 
2017-11-14 02:32:34 PM  
Well known fact that psychology professors are all about the head
 
2017-11-14 02:34:36 PM  

tobcc: So when I was in college in the 90's it was pretty common practice of students and professors dating (at least at my college).  Had a anthropology professor talk about his "muse", which he got a new one every couple of years.  She got A's out of the deal.

Now i have a daughter in college (different college), and she says that she cant even go into an office of a professor without someone being there.  So if the dept. Secretary is there they can talk in the prof's office, with the door open.  If no one is around other than the prof or TA, she has to leave.  School policy is that staff cant shut a door with a student in the room, unless there is a second staff member there.

I am glad things are changing for the better.


Not for the professors!
I keed I keed
 
2017-11-14 02:36:05 PM  
There's a reason Animal House was based (partly) on Dartmouth. It isn't like there is anything else to do in Hanover NH besides ski and the Freshman, Junior, or Senior with cabin fever. Isolated incident, this isn't. Then again, I challenge anyone to find any institute of higher learning in the US that doesn't have its flavor of issues.
 
2017-11-14 02:37:51 PM  

GORDON: Male students get summarily expelled when they are accused. Let's see how far the same applies to professors.


how did that work out for those Steubenville boys? One of them (the one who's dad shot the judge in the rape case) is suing his college for 'anti male bias' because he was kicked off the football team. In general students get away with far more than faculty.

I've never actually heard of anyone being expelled on an accusation. Maybe I'm not reading enough news but never heard of that.
 
2017-11-14 02:42:56 PM  

IamAwake: lude: The witch hunts continue.

Yes there are some truly evil people out there.

There are a lot of "victims" dredging up ancient history  too.

//lude

If it's history, it's true; if it's true, you can choke on the quotation marks.


Why did you grope me in 1992?  I didn't ask you to objectify me sexually.  I was just minding my own business.

Also, you're a fish.

Anyone can levy accusations.  Just as their are despicable people who grope people against their will, plenty of people exist who would accuse someone of groping them as a means to their own end.

Signed,
The cat...
 
2017-11-14 02:43:30 PM  
^^^^And just remembered the judge who was shot wasn't the one from the rape case, it was a completely different judge.
 
2017-11-14 02:48:07 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Unfortunately, people being people, we run the risk of getting into a mode of "believe first, worry about truth later", and some innocent people will get caught up in the collective fury.


Presumption Of Innocence
One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.

*Principle not valid in the Court of Public Opinion
 
2017-11-14 02:55:06 PM  
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There are more horrifying examples lead by entire psych depts/institutes past.  Some of them we unwittingly partake in each and every day or year.
 
2017-11-14 02:56:11 PM  
Ms Jammerjim works for a university. She has LOTS of stories of profs dating their students. Mostly male profs, but not entirely.
 
2017-11-14 02:56:38 PM  
I have always been uncomfortable with the notion that professors can date their students.

I don't care if everybody is a legal adult. You shouldn't be taking advantage of a power imbalance like that.
 
2017-11-14 02:57:33 PM  
I've had enough of your Dartmouth bashing young lady.  Well, no I haven't.

see what happens when you fail to enforce your honor code???  People, including professors, think they can get away with anything.

http://tech.mit.edu/V120/N13/913short​t​akes.13n.html
 
2017-11-14 03:10:36 PM  
It's almost like attention seekers seek attention.
How odd.
 
2017-11-14 03:14:03 PM  

JammerJim: Ms Jammerjim works for a university. She has LOTS of stories of profs dating their students. Mostly male profs, but not entirely.


I honestly don't get this.  Are my students physically attractive?  Absolutely- many of them are stunning.  But I'm 51 years old.  They may look great, but they are children.  Not legally- they're all of legal age, but as far as life experiences and the rest, they simply aren't on the same plane that I am. My kids aren't that much younger than they are.  I just don't see how you can be romantically/sexually attracted to them.

/Did date one of my ex-students when I was a TA and she was an undergrad.  But the age difference was only 2 years- she was a senior and I was a first year grad student.
 
2017-11-14 03:30:38 PM  

BullBearMS: I have always been uncomfortable with the notion that professors can date their students.

I don't care if everybody is a legal adult. You shouldn't be taking advantage of a power imbalance like that.


why do you just assume professors who date students are taking advantage of a power imbalance?

I have been teaching at colleges nearly 17 years.  I have dated students.  Sometimes even older than myself.  All but once students were the ones who initiated it.  Sometimes people are just attracted to each other and that's how they meet.

Won't deny there aren't pervs, creeps and power-trippers in academia of both genders. From my experience, most times these things are just two people attracted to each other who keep things discreet and conflict-free, like waiting until after the course is over to take things outside of the classroom.
 
2017-11-14 03:37:08 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: JammerJim: Ms Jammerjim works for a university. She has LOTS of stories of profs dating their students. Mostly male profs, but not entirely.

I honestly don't get this.  Are my students physically attractive?  Absolutely- many of them are stunning.  But I'm 51 years old.  They may look great, but they are children.  Not legally- they're all of legal age, but as far as life experiences and the rest, they simply aren't on the same plane that I am. My kids aren't that much younger than they are.  I just don't see how you can be romantically/sexually attracted to them.

/Did date one of my ex-students when I was a TA and she was an undergrad.  But the age difference was only 2 years- she was a senior and I was a first year grad student.


Usually being physically attracted is the first step to being sexually attracted.  Would you be against dating a student of yours who was 48?  Is it the age difference you don't understand or the student/professor difference the confounding part?

A young 31 prof and a 24 old grad student?
 
2017-11-14 03:46:31 PM  
at least things like this don't happen in the anthropology department

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2017-11-14 04:01:49 PM  
I thought policing the sexual activity of consenting adults was Republican thing.


        
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2017-11-14 04:02:00 PM  

tobcc: So when I was in college in the 90's it was pretty common practice of students and professors dating (at least at my college).  Had a anthropology professor talk about his "muse", which he got a new one every couple of years.  She got A's out of the deal.

Now i have a daughter in college (different college), and she says that she cant even go into an office of a professor without someone being there.  So if the dept. Secretary is there they can talk in the prof's office, with the door open.  If no one is around other than the prof or TA, she has to leave.  School policy is that staff cant shut a door with a student in the room, unless there is a second staff member there.

I am glad things are changing for the better.


Is that sort of for the worse? Wouldn't it be better if she didn't have to worry about lecherous teaching staff hurling themselves at her?

A better solution would be to record everything every time you go out in public and wait for any sort of slight--real or misinterpreted. Then really play it up for big cash settlements.
 
2017-11-14 04:22:06 PM  

Hyjamon: BullBearMS: I have always been uncomfortable with the notion that professors can date their students.

I don't care if everybody is a legal adult. You shouldn't be taking advantage of a power imbalance like that.

why do you just assume professors who date students are taking advantage of a power imbalance?

I have been teaching at colleges nearly 17 years.  I have dated students.  Sometimes even older than myself.  All but once students were the ones who initiated it.  Sometimes people are just attracted to each other and that's how they meet.

Won't deny there aren't pervs, creeps and power-trippers in academia of both genders. From my experience, most times these things are just two people attracted to each other who keep things discreet and conflict-free, like waiting until after the course is over to take things outside of the classroom.


The only time a student ever asked me out, I told them that they were welcome to ask me again after they graduated, despite the fact that they would never even take a class in my department, much less one taught by me.

There's such a thing as having a sense of professional ethics.
 
2017-11-14 05:09:18 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I honestly don't get this. Are my students physically attractive? Absolutely- many of them are stunning. But I'm 51 years old. They may look great, but they are children. Not legally- they're all of legal age, but as far as life experiences and the rest, they simply aren't on the same plane that I am. My kids aren't that much younger than they are. I just don't see how you can be romantically/sexually attracted to them.


It's not that hard to imagine if you assume that 1) some of these people probably LIKE "showing a young person the world" and/or 2) It's about getting to have sex with a hot young thing, not about a long-term relationship.
 
2017-11-14 05:09:57 PM  
I'm farking shocked that i only got sexually harassed three times in my life with all this shiat coming out.. guess I'm too ugly, right fellas?

Men. It's time to evolve. Time to stop this shiat. Time to think of women as people instead of things. Any man crying at me over these comments will only validate my point.
 
2017-11-14 05:15:04 PM  

BullBearMS: Hyjamon: BullBearMS: I have always been uncomfortable with the notion that professors can date their students.

I don't care if everybody is a legal adult. You shouldn't be taking advantage of a power imbalance like that.

why do you just assume professors who date students are taking advantage of a power imbalance?

I have been teaching at colleges nearly 17 years.  I have dated students.  Sometimes even older than myself.  All but once students were the ones who initiated it.  Sometimes people are just attracted to each other and that's how they meet.

Won't deny there aren't pervs, creeps and power-trippers in academia of both genders. From my experience, most times these things are just two people attracted to each other who keep things discreet and conflict-free, like waiting until after the course is over to take things outside of the classroom.

The only time a student ever asked me out, I told them that they were welcome to ask me again after they graduated, despite the fact that they would never even take a class in my department, much less one taught by me.

There's such a thing as having a sense of professional ethics.


Agreed, and that line will always be moving, open to debate and judgement calls, as we are having now.  To offer another data point on the spectrum, my wife was a student of mine. That's where we met and even started dating during the time she was my student.  Being a small town, people knew; even other students. No one batted an eye.  Hell, come to find out after we were married, some of the other faculty she was friends with before I came to the college even dropped hints of "the new prof is single..."

If the situations are handled with decorum; there should be no issues.  Most issues arise from third parties concerned that there is some favoritism or preferential treatment for the student dating the professor; or predatory personalities that should be hit with a stick.

CSP (cool story professor)

Fellow married faculty member had a student who had a major crush on him.  He sensed in and made sure to never be alone with this student.  At some point, student emailed this professor with some revealing pics, unsolicited. professor did the right thing and told his superiors IT, etc. Started logging and documenting everything "I'll do anything for an A, type stuff"   Funny part was he made sure to tell his wife first, who was still pissed he received salacious emails regardless.  You just can't win some times.
 
2017-11-14 06:32:46 PM  
... and this surprises you?
 
2017-11-14 08:26:03 PM  
I have always thought that, if someone were to take a really good look at the school systems-past and present, you would have find as much pedophilia/sexual abuse as you do in the Catholic Church
 
2017-11-15 11:57:22 AM  

Hollie Maea: As I've said before, any place that has men in positions of power over women is rife with sexual misconduct.

So, everywhere.


Hey, look, it's a feminist, because only a feminist can be that deluded.
 
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