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2017-11-13 11:46:12 AM  
I've never witnessed a challenge that resulted in the winning challenge resulting in a touch-back and loss of possession.

I've also never witnessed an entire offensive line being called out on a penalty for false start because the center didn't snap the ball, but I know that's happened before with other teams.

It's an amazing time to be a Bears fan.
 
2017-11-13 12:05:24 PM  
For the life of me, I thought the headline said Amy Ried.

/Search for her on your favorite internet search engine, but not from work.
 
2017-11-13 01:11:08 PM  
It turns out the Bears are still who we thought they were. Though to be fair, we are working with effectively #4 and #5 WR's, 3rd string TE, 2nd string at center, and a banged up OL. Was hoping the Bears' downtime and the Packers' lack thereof would have produced some good fortune, but alas.
 
2017-11-13 01:13:38 PM  
That made my brain hurt.
 
2017-11-13 01:27:10 PM  
It's worth noting Fox has the second-lowest winning percentage in Bears coaching history with a 12-28 record through his first 40 games.

Even worse than the horrible coach that he replaced.

Just shoot me now.
 
2017-11-13 01:41:14 PM  
Karma for Bottlegate.

No question.
 
2017-11-13 01:45:29 PM  
The truly insane part is that they have people upstairs watching this shiat to tell the coach if he should challenge or not. It's still ultimately the coach's decision, but it's not like he's at the mercy of the guy in charge of the Jumbotron or anything.
 
2017-11-13 01:47:14 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I've never witnessed a challenge that resulted in the winning challenge resulting in a touch-back and loss of possession.

I've also never witnessed an entire offensive line being called out on a penalty for false start because the center didn't snap the ball, but I know that's happened before with other teams.

It's an amazing time to be a Bears fan.


I stopped watching or caring. I figure I'll give a shiat when they do.
 
2017-11-13 01:51:19 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I've never witnessed a challenge that resulted in the winning challenge resulting in a touch-back and loss of possession.

I've also never witnessed an entire offensive line being called out on a penalty for false start because the center didn't snap the ball, but I know that's happened before with other teams.

It's an amazing time to be a Bears fan.


There is a YouTube montage of "everyone but the center" out there.
 
2017-11-13 01:53:23 PM  
Crazy like a Fox.
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2017-11-13 02:00:06 PM  
There was a play yesterday in the Redskins / Vikings game where Cousins dove into the end zone for an apparent touchdown, but fumbled the ball.  No whistle blew (correct ref procedure) and the play continued with Minnesota returning the fumble for a touchdown.  The review was automatic of course, and the result was going to be a touchdown, but they needed to determine whose touchdown it was.  Never seen that situation before.

/Ball clearly broke the plane before the fumble, touchdown Redskins
 
2017-11-13 02:01:34 PM  

JJRRutgers: everyone but the center


So do they asses 5 yards for each offender? Like 6 guys on the line, so it's a 30 yard penalty?

Because that would be hilarious, no matter who you were a fan of in the game.
 
2017-11-13 02:02:21 PM  

bighairyguy: There was a play yesterday in the Redskins / Vikings game where Cousins dove into the end zone for an apparent touchdown, but fumbled the ball.  No whistle blew (correct ref procedure) and the play continued with Minnesota returning the fumble for a touchdown.  The review was automatic of course, and the result was going to be a touchdown, but they needed to determine whose touchdown it was.  Never seen that situation before.

/Ball clearly broke the plane before the fumble, touchdown Redskins


I would've rather watched that game than the Colts/Steelers game.
 
2017-11-13 02:02:29 PM  
Could be worse. You could have McAdoo as your coach.
 
2017-11-13 02:03:01 PM  

Lando Lincoln: It's worth noting Fox has the second-lowest winning percentage in Bears coaching history with a 12-28 record through his first 40 games.

Even worse than the horrible coach that he replaced.

Just shoot me now.


Hey, at least neither are 1-24 like the current coach of the Browns...
 
2017-11-13 02:06:23 PM  

Mikey1969: JJRRutgers: everyone but the center

So do they asses 5 yards for each offender? Like 6 guys on the line, so it's a 30 yard penalty?

Because that would be hilarious, no matter who you were a fan of in the game.


You can only accept 1 penalty against a team per play.  Dead ball penalties (usually personal fouls) can stack on top.
 
2017-11-13 02:17:00 PM  

AquaTatanka: bighairyguy: There was a play yesterday in the Redskins / Vikings game where Cousins dove into the end zone for an apparent touchdown, but fumbled the ball.  No whistle blew (correct ref procedure) and the play continued with Minnesota returning the fumble for a touchdown.  The review was automatic of course, and the result was going to be a touchdown, but they needed to determine whose touchdown it was.  Never seen that situation before.

/Ball clearly broke the plane before the fumble, touchdown Redskins

I would've rather watched that game than the Colts/Steelers game.


It was a fun one, add that catch by the practice sqad guy.
 
2017-11-13 02:18:02 PM  

four95: Could be worse. You could have McAdoo as your coach.


Or Pagano.
 
2017-11-13 02:18:23 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I've never witnessed a challenge that resulted in the winning challenge resulting in a touch-back and loss of possession.

I've also never witnessed an entire offensive line being called out on a penalty for false start because the center didn't snap the ball, but I know that's happened before with other teams.

It's an amazing time to be a Bears fan.


I was there in person to see it. I spent the first 10 minutes after that play thinking they were just making sh*t up to screw with us.
 
2017-11-13 02:19:13 PM  
Also, I never appreciated the coaching of Jim Caldwell until Jim "The Opioid Avenger" Irsay hired Pagano.
 
2017-11-13 02:29:23 PM  

Earthen: Mikey1969: JJRRutgers: everyone but the center

So do they asses 5 yards for each offender? Like 6 guys on the line, so it's a 30 yard penalty?

Because that would be hilarious, no matter who you were a fan of in the game.

You can only accept 1 penalty against a team per play.  Dead ball penalties (usually personal fouls) can stack on top.


I was really just kidding. :-)
 
2017-11-13 02:44:28 PM  
Sitting in my family room 2500 miles away from Soldier Field watching the play live on my computer, my first thought was, "uh oh, he didn't get in and fumbled it out of the endzone."

How did Bears coaches up in the booth not notice this?

Firefox, it's browser and a movement.
 
2017-11-13 03:00:59 PM  
If the coach doesn't have guys up in the booth glued to monitors looking at multiple angles in slow-mo and telling him whether to challenge or not because they KNOW what happened, then he's doing it totally backwards.  What makes it worse is the Bears had the ball, so they had the full play clock they could have wound down while deciding whether to challenge or not (sometimes a defense that wants to challenge simply runs out of time as the opposing team snaps the ball on the next play).  I can't figure out why nobody told him (or he didn't understand the consequences) "hey, coach, it kinda looks like he mighta lost the ball outta the end-zone, so we should probably go along with the call on the field, ya know?"
 
2017-11-13 03:12:46 PM  
A) Don't challenge and have 1st and goal from the 2
B) Lose challenge and a timeout and have 1st and goal from the 2
C) Overturn ruling on field to obtain a TD one play sooner
D) Lose challenge hilariously by losing the ball. No TD, no FG

Fox:
I like those odds!
 
2017-11-13 03:14:48 PM  

bark2787: A) Don't challenge and have 1st and goal from the 2
B) Lose challenge and a timeout and have 1st and goal from the 2
C) Overturn ruling on field to obtain a TD one play sooner
D) Lose challenge hilariously by losing the ball. No TD, no FG

Fox:
I like those odds!


I mean to be fair, Green Bay could have challenged the play if the Bears didn't, and with the same end result.  But Fox is still an idiot here.
 
2017-11-13 03:17:32 PM  
It's funny, but I don't see it as a failure for Fox really. They got a quick view of a replay and were looking for his foot and saw it didn't hit the sideline.

When you suck, you don't turn down the chance to get a TD.

The fact that it was a fumble we pretty close, and with the angles available that I saw it wasn't super conclusive.

This is one of 1,000 reasons replay is dumb.
 
2017-11-13 03:19:29 PM  

bighairyguy: There was a play yesterday in the Redskins / Vikings game where Cousins dove into the end zone for an apparent touchdown, but fumbled the ball.  No whistle blew (correct ref procedure) and the play continued with Minnesota returning the fumble for a touchdown.  The review was automatic of course, and the result was going to be a touchdown, but they needed to determine whose touchdown it was.  Never seen that situation before.

/Ball clearly broke the plane before the fumble, touchdown Redskins


I'd love to see an official trot out, signal the touchdown, and then insist that "which team gets it is under further review".
 
2017-11-13 03:32:26 PM  
As soon as I heard about this , i had  vision of the Bears OC or whoever they might keep up stairs for an overhead view screaming at Fox to not do it then bashing his head on a table when he did it.
 
2017-11-13 03:34:58 PM  
Jets-Pats had the same review and touchback thing 3 weeks ago with even worse video evidence.
 
2017-11-13 03:36:04 PM  

grimlock1972: As soon as I heard about this , i had  vision of the Bears OC or whoever they might keep up stairs for an overhead view screaming at Fox to not do it then bashing his head on a table when he did it.


Well...if he got the greenlight to challenge from someone else, then that person is probably getting chewed out today, or yesterday AND today. But if he over-rode someone's redlight, then his ass is toast. It's probably toast anyway.
 
2017-11-13 03:36:39 PM  

AquaTatanka: four95: Could be worse. You could have McAdoo as your coach.

Or Pagano.


Marvin Lewis
 
2017-11-13 03:38:16 PM  

IlGreven: Lando Lincoln: It's worth noting Fox has the second-lowest winning percentage in Bears coaching history with a 12-28 record through his first 40 games.

Even worse than the horrible coach that he replaced.

Just shoot me now.

Hey, at least neither are 1-24 like the current coach of the Browns...


After every loss I tell my dad, "Well, at least we aren't Browns fans."

Is that racist?
 
2017-11-13 03:39:15 PM  

bionicjoe: AquaTatanka: four95: Could be worse. You could have McAdoo as your coach.

Or Pagano.

Marvin Lewis


But, your ownership doesn't even give the illusion of trying to win... So Lewis isn't so bad.  They don't care if they win it all or lose every game so long as they make money in Cincy.  Your fans should set the place on fire but, how would you tell?

/ j/k, I love Cincy.
 
2017-11-13 04:11:39 PM  

Lando Lincoln: It's worth noting Fox has the second-lowest winning percentage in Bears coaching history with a 12-28 record through his first 40 games.

Even worse than the horrible coach that he replaced.

Just shoot me now.


Almost like it's not the coaching staff.
 
2017-11-13 04:17:12 PM  

shroom: bark2787: A) Don't challenge and have 1st and goal from the 2
B) Lose challenge and a timeout and have 1st and goal from the 2
C) Overturn ruling on field to obtain a TD one play sooner
D) Lose challenge hilariously by losing the ball. No TD, no FG

Fox:
I like those odds!

I mean to be fair, Green Bay could have challenged the play if the Bears didn't, and with the same end result.  But Fox is still an idiot here.


Difficulty: Mike McCarthy. No way he would've realized that and thought to challenge.
 
2017-11-13 04:26:01 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: For the life of me, I thought the headline said Amy Ried.

/Search for her on your favorite internet search engine, but not from work.


G'ah!

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2017-11-13 04:46:34 PM  
I'm not a John Fox/Bears fan but that looks as much like a TD as any other 'barely touching the pylon before going out-of-bounds' play as I've ever seen. Besides 'what is or isn't a catch?' (along with absurd DPI penalties and ignoring offensive holding on almost EVERY play----esp. by the O-line) the NFL has a lot of of work to do re: rules and enforcement. Which is why unless it's a Patriots game, an NFL game is barely background noise/video to me. Clean up your sport, idiots.

//Is this 'touching the pylon' thing new? I have been watching the NFL since the early 70s and don't recall it being so prevalent.
 
2017-11-13 05:05:11 PM  

Lando Lincoln: IlGreven: Lando Lincoln: It's worth noting Fox has the second-lowest winning percentage in Bears coaching history with a 12-28 record through his first 40 games.

Even worse than the horrible coach that he replaced.

Just shoot me now.

Hey, at least neither are 1-24 like the current coach of the Browns...

After every loss I tell my dad, "Well, at least we aren't Browns fans."

Is that racist?


But, you see, Browns fans are better off. They know that there is never any hope, most Bears fans think there is a chance., now or in the future.
 
2017-11-13 05:11:14 PM  

AquaTatanka: Also, I never appreciated the coaching of Jim Caldwell until Jim "The Opioid Avenger" Irsay hired Pagano.


As a Lions fan, Caldwell is an idiot during games. Challenges, timeouts, 4th down calls, etc. he's absolutely terrible. Few coaches worse.

But from a lot of things I've read/heard, the guys amazing Monday-Saturday preparing his team for the game. So he's better than most anything Lions fans have had even if I wish he could be replaced for 3 hrs a week.
 
2017-11-13 05:45:32 PM  

MichiganFTL: AquaTatanka: Also, I never appreciated the coaching of Jim Caldwell until Jim "The Opioid Avenger" Irsay hired Pagano.

As a Lions fan, Caldwell is an idiot during games. Challenges, timeouts, 4th down calls, etc. he's absolutely terrible. Few coaches worse.

But from a lot of things I've read/heard, the guys amazing Monday-Saturday preparing his team for the game. So he's better than most anything Lions fans have had even if I wish he could be replaced for 3 hrs a week.


I disagree with nothing you said.  Pagano makes just as bone-headed in-game decisions (swinging-gate non-punt against the Patriots a few years ago) and has his team completely unprepared for game days.
 
2017-11-13 06:06:00 PM  

John Buck 41: //Is this 'touching the pylon' thing new?


Not really, but it may be involved in more plays this year. Seems like I recall a few plays a year where the runner tries to get the ball inside the pylon or crashes in to it.
 
2017-11-13 07:24:09 PM  

bark2787: A) Don't challenge and have 1st and goal from the 2
B) Lose challenge and a timeout and have 1st and goal from the 2
C) Overturn ruling on field to obtain a TD one play sooner
D) Lose WIN challenge hilariously by losing the ball. No TD, no FG

Fox:
I like those odds!

FTFY They actually did win the challenge, as the player never went out of bounds, no loss of time out, just loss of position. HAHAHA Bears!!!!!
 
2017-11-13 08:06:06 PM  

John Buck 41: I'm not a John Fox/Bears fan but that looks as much like a TD as any other 'barely touching the pylon before going out-of-bounds' play as I've ever seen. Besides 'what is or isn't a catch?' (along with absurd DPI penalties and ignoring offensive holding on almost EVERY play----esp. by the O-line) the NFL has a lot of of work to do re: rules and enforcement. Which is why unless it's a Patriots game, an NFL game is barely background noise/video to me. Clean up your sport, idiots.

//Is this 'touching the pylon' thing new? I have been watching the NFL since the early 70s and don't recall it being so prevalent.


It is relatively recent in that the ball has to cross the goal line inbounds. Before the goal line went 'around the world'
 
2017-11-13 08:21:26 PM  
Andy Reid would challenge, but he blew all his timeouts halfway through the first quarter.

/seriously, how does he not get clock management after all these years?
 
2017-11-13 10:09:56 PM  

John Buck 41: I'm not a John Fox/Bears fan but that looks as much like a TD as any other 'barely touching the pylon before going out-of-bounds' play as I've ever seen. Besides 'what is or isn't a catch?' (along with absurd DPI penalties and ignoring offensive holding on almost EVERY play----esp. by the O-line) the NFL has a lot of of work to do re: rules and enforcement. Which is why unless it's a Patriots game, an NFL game is barely background noise/video to me. Clean up your sport, idiots.

//Is this 'touching the pylon' thing new? I have been watching the NFL since the early 70s and don't recall it being so prevalent.


It's not a TD because his hands came off the ball, not because it touched the pylon. The pylon only affects fumble out of bounds and bears keep it, or touchback and GB ball.
 
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