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2017-11-12 09:14:41 PM  
Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.
 
2017-11-12 09:17:09 PM  
The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players. It's sad, but true. I hear there's professional flag football, but no one will watch that. It's not just about athleticism. The viewers want to see the big hits too.

Not So CSB: I used to be a huge fan of boxing back in the day. Then it finally got through to me that the whole point of the "sport" is knocking around brains in skulls like they were pinballs. A human brain was not designed to bounce around in the skull like a pinball. I didn't care it someone wanted to get their lip busted or nose broken, but realizing that someone is getting their brain damaged for my entertainment suddenly made me sick. I totally gave up on boxing and haven't watched a minute of it in over a decade.
 
2017-11-12 09:19:23 PM  
 Dude, pink gear! Not sure why you guys doubt their sincerity.
 
2017-11-12 10:00:56 PM  

harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.


I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-1​0​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?
 
2017-11-12 10:24:04 PM  

Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?


I doubt many people use those jobs for entertainment,  though. Bonus points for the MRA bullshiat spin about most dangerous jobs FOR MEN.

/and I've done two of the ten (farming and roofing) before I turned 20, so fark off
//don't watch football anymore either
///or rodeo
 
2017-11-12 10:30:06 PM  
Wouldnt that be Wilson'shiat the other night with the 5 second cursory glance into the tent?
 
2017-11-12 10:30:38 PM  
It's like the NFL doesn't take concussions seriously or something.
 
2017-11-12 10:49:56 PM  

dickfreckle: Dude, pink gear! Not sure why you guys doubt their sincerity.


Actually its camo gear weekend. But your point stands just as strong.
 
2017-11-12 10:56:43 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players. It's sad, but true. I hear there's professional flag football, but no one will watch that. It's not just about athleticism. The viewers want to see the big hits too.

Not So CSB: I used to be a huge fan of boxing back in the day. Then it finally got through to me that the whole point of the "sport" is knocking around brains in skulls like they were pinballs. A human brain was not designed to bounce around in the skull like a pinball. I didn't care it someone wanted to get their lip busted or nose broken, but realizing that someone is getting their brain damaged for my entertainment suddenly made me sick. I totally gave up on boxing and haven't watched a minute of it in over a decade.


Well, yeah. One of the ways you win in boxing is to scramble the other guy's brain so much he can't continue. I stopped watching it too.
 
2017-11-12 11:57:35 PM  
I wonder if the umpire who got his "bell rung" in the Pats-Broncos game has to undergo the same "protocol.

/ hope you're okay, Mr. Rice
 
2017-11-13 12:34:04 AM  

Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?


I used to be here for every NFL thread. I'm sick of owner greed, which is manifested in part by the warrior code bullshiat.
 
2017-11-13 01:15:34 AM  
They miss lots of big hits. This particular one looked like minor incidental contact to be honest. Maybe the dude was hamming it up? I don't know. Maybe it was harder than it looked.
 
2017-11-13 03:41:09 AM  
Maybe they could develop a helmet that gradually accumulates hit "points" and changes color or otherwise signals that a player has received more damage to the head than acceptable in a certain period. The player would have to sit out the required number of plays until the helmet sensor returned to a safe level. Tampering with, disabling, or destroying the sensor would be a violation of the rules and the player could be subject to suspension at the league's discretion (not the team's).
 
2017-11-13 04:09:10 AM  

davidphogan: Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?

I used to be here for every NFL thread. I'm sick of owner greed, which is manifested in part by the warrior code bullshiat.


I live in Arizona. 'Nuff said as to why I quit watching NFL games.

/risk it, biscuit, bullshiat,
/racist owners complaining about disobedient black men was the clincher for me
 
2017-11-13 06:03:17 AM  
Brissett was not permitted to speak to the media after the game. A Colts spokesperson told reporters that he developed concussion-like symptoms after the game.

These people are farking trash.

And Seattle fans lamenting that (whaaaaaaa) your team shouldn't have to respect the health of your team's employees because Tawmy and the Pats did it, too, are the worst fans in sports. You're like toddlers.
 
2017-11-13 06:29:46 AM  
After the 1st series I'd bet 1/2 the players on the field would medically qualify for having a concussion. The NFL / football has a big problem.

/ Ric Romeo
 
2017-11-13 06:40:58 AM  

harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.


Did you know that Seattle has 3 Super Bowl championships, but only one that is agreed upon unanimously?
 
2017-11-13 06:48:40 AM  

Wookie_Jesus: I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.


Go to Google. Paste the following in: site:www.fark.com Gonz NFL

That will show you my posting history in NFL threads here. You can see what someone walking away from a sport looks like.
 
2017-11-13 06:49:29 AM  

hobnail: Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?

I doubt many people use those jobs for entertainment,  though. Bonus points for the MRA bullshiat spin about most dangerous jobs FOR MEN.

/and I've done two of the ten (farming and roofing) before I turned 20, so fark off
//don't watch football anymore either
///or rodeo


The author of that "MRA" bullshiat spin": https://www.cnbc.com/marguerit​e-ward/
 
2017-11-13 06:52:25 AM  

meanmutton: hobnail: Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?

I doubt many people use those jobs for entertainment,  though. Bonus points for the MRA bullshiat spin about most dangerous jobs FOR MEN.

/and I've done two of the ten (farming and roofing) before I turned 20, so fark off
//don't watch football anymore either
///or rodeo

The author of that "MRA" bullshiat spin": https://www.cnbc.com/marguerite​-ward/


Who knew the evil MRA's had infiltrated CNBC?
 
2017-11-13 07:06:29 AM  
Meanwhile, in Seattle, Russell Wilson gets hit, is immediately back up and never even looks to have been hit hard, and the referees ensure he's out.

I haven't really watched any non-Seahawks-on-national-TV games this year. Have the refs ever forced someone else off the field without that person even staying down an extra second or two, or is this another "NFL refs have special Seahawks rules" deal?

I mean, I get the "penalties for every unsuccessful third down for an opponent whenever they get down two scores in the first three quarters of a night game, gotta make this game look interesting."

I've just never seen the "nope, you gotta leave the field despite no indication you're hurt" move before.
 
2017-11-13 07:13:31 AM  

IAmRight: Meanwhile, in Seattle, Russell Wilson gets hit, is immediately back up and never even looks to have been hit hard, and the referees ensure he's out.

I haven't really watched any non-Seahawks-on-national-TV games this year. Have the refs ever forced someone else off the field without that person even staying down an extra second or two, or is this another "NFL refs have special Seahawks rules" deal?

I mean, I get the "penalties for every unsuccessful third down for an opponent whenever they get down two scores in the first three quarters of a night game, gotta make this game look interesting."

I've just never seen the "nope, you gotta leave the field despite no indication you're hurt" move before.


Maybe someone just referred to the tent as "the pocket." Wilson was concerned that it would collapse at any moment.
 
2017-11-13 07:43:12 AM  

JohnBigBootay: They miss lots of big hits. This particular one looked like minor incidental contact to be honest. Maybe the dude was hamming it up? I don't know. Maybe it was harder than it looked.


It looked to me like he was down waiting for the roughing flag, and when he didn't get it he got up.
 
2017-11-13 07:52:02 AM  

harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.


Um...okay, I have to say it. You do realize Brissett isn't on the Patriots anymore, right? What do they have to do with this argument?
 
2017-11-13 07:54:57 AM  

harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.


Duh,  they don't watch because of flag
 
2017-11-13 07:55:59 AM  
The main issue is the players.

Why did the Steelers player go out of his way to lower his head on a QB who was already or just about down.

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Players don't have any respect for each others safety, why should the league care? Defensive players brag about trying to injure QBs.
 
2017-11-13 08:04:34 AM  

MugzyBrown: The main issue is the players.

Why did the Steelers player go out of his way to lower his head on a QB who was already or just about down.

[img.fark.net image 492x278]

Players don't have any respect for each others safety, why should the league care? Defensive players brag about trying to injure QBs.


The Steelers aim to injure. Not sure if it's coached or just the kind of assholes they search for.

See Joey Porter and James Harrison for further reading on this subject.
 
2017-11-13 08:06:59 AM  

Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.


I've seen her in enough NFL threads to know that's not true.
 
2017-11-13 08:08:43 AM  
This wasn't that clear at all as he put it. Twitter guy had his soapbox out waiting to use.  He wasn't limp, he got up quick and ran off the field. A more obvious one was ATLs Freeman this weekend and the refs stopped the game because he tried to get back into the huddle. Twitter guy was going to be outraged about something, it's 2017 protocol.
 
2017-11-13 08:32:00 AM  

MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it. Twitter guy had his soapbox out waiting to use.  He wasn't limp, he got up quick and ran off the field. A more obvious one was ATLs Freeman this weekend and the refs stopped the game because he tried to get back into the huddle. Twitter guy was going to be outraged about something, it's 2017 protocol.


Was exaggerated, but he grabbed his head after the hit and held his head somewhat after trotting off the field. Teams/NFL allegedly has spotters for this sort of thing. Working like a charm.
 
2017-11-13 08:50:25 AM  

MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it. Twitter guy had his soapbox out waiting to use.  He wasn't limp, he got up quick and ran off the field. A more obvious one was ATLs Freeman this weekend and the refs stopped the game because he tried to get back into the huddle. Twitter guy was going to be outraged about something, it's 2017 protocol.


Chris Nowinski has a little more clout than "Twitter Guy."
 
2017-11-13 08:57:30 AM  

Gonz: Wookie_Jesus: I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.

Go to Google. Paste the following in: site:www.fark.com Gonz NFL

That will show you my posting history in NFL threads here. You can see what someone walking away from a sport looks like.


I think he already showed us what a troll creeping away from a thread looks like.
 
2017-11-13 09:03:01 AM  

holdmybones: MugzyBrown: The main issue is the players.

Why did the Steelers player go out of his way to lower his head on a QB who was already or just about down.

[img.fark.net image 492x278]

Players don't have any respect for each others safety, why should the league care? Defensive players brag about trying to injure QBs.

The Steelers aim to injure. Not sure if it's coached or just the kind of assholes they search for.

See Joey Porter and James Harrison for further reading on this subject.


Gregg WIlliams
 
2017-11-13 09:29:43 AM  

bglove25: meanmutton: hobnail: Wookie_Jesus: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

I highly doubt you ever watched a bunch of NFL or that there are any people that wonder why you don't anymore.
You come across as someone that overheard a conversation from the next cubicle and decided they needed to be outraged.
If you are going to be mad, be mad at the subject at hand and don't dilute it with some hatred of the Patriots.
It is about paying to watch people get their brains scrambled and their bodies broken.
Some jobs really suck. Some jobs pay really well because they suck.
some don't pay so well
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/the-10​-most-dangerous-jobs-for-men.html
I suppose you have boycotted all these as well?

I doubt many people use those jobs for entertainment,  though. Bonus points for the MRA bullshiat spin about most dangerous jobs FOR MEN.

/and I've done two of the ten (farming and roofing) before I turned 20, so fark off
//don't watch football anymore either
///or rodeo

The author of that "MRA" bullshiat spin": https://www.cnbc.com/marguerite​-ward/

Who knew the evil MRA's had infiltrated CNBC?


When I want adult, rational thought, I rarely find it on a network that boasts of its "money bunnies."
 
2017-11-13 09:41:49 AM  

harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.


Nobody wonders that. Or cares.
 
2017-11-13 09:45:58 AM  

IAmRight: Meanwhile, in Seattle, Russell Wilson gets hit, is immediately back up and never even looks to have been hit hard, and the referees ensure he's out.

I haven't really watched any non-Seahawks-on-national-TV games this year. Have the refs ever forced someone else off the field without that person even staying down an extra second or two, or is this another "NFL refs have special Seahawks rules" deal?

I mean, I get the "penalties for every unsuccessful third down for an opponent whenever they get down two scores in the first three quarters of a night game, gotta make this game look interesting."

I've just never seen the "nope, you gotta leave the field despite no indication you're hurt" move before.


It's defintely the NFL's special Seahawk rules as it is known the entire NFL world revolves around the Seahawks. Every day Roger Goodell and Donald Trump have a meeting about how best to ruin the Seahawks.

"I haven't watched football this year, but I make special point to discuss it as much as possible to show how uninterested I am"
 
2017-11-13 09:50:39 AM  

MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it


I think the problem you're having is with medical terminology.  The word here is concussion.  The signs and symptoms of a concussion do not all appear immediately after the trauma.  Think about it this way.  If I punch you in the face and we immediately take a picture afterwards, it doesn't look so bad, does it?  Then if we do nothing but wait a few hours, it gets worse, your face swells up and shows bruising and is a hell of a lot more tender.  That's how brain injuries like concussions work over time.  The inflammation takes time.

It was clear he got hurt and it was clear the hurt part was his head.  You'd have to know absolutely nothing about brain injuries to think if he seems fine right now then great, it won't get worse, so he's good to go back in.  The reason the NFL protocol on concussions has an immediate assessment and not a more medically relevant required stay out of the game to monitor for progression of symptoms is very simple:

thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players.


^This
 
2017-11-13 09:55:24 AM  
When this guy says you're fine, why wouldn't you believe him?!

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2017-11-13 10:08:34 AM  

FriarReb98: harleyquinnical: Meanwhile, the Seahawks are facing discipline and the Pats get SB titles.  People wonder why I do not go out of my way to watch the NFL anymore.

Um...okay, I have to say it. You do realize Brissett isn't on the Patriots anymore, right? What do they have to do with this argument?


Do you think you'll get a reply let alone an answer to this question?
 
2017-11-13 10:15:54 AM  

lennavan: MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it

I think the problem you're having is with medical terminology.  The word here is concussion.  The signs and symptoms of a concussion do not all appear immediately after the trauma.  Think about it this way.  If I punch you in the face and we immediately take a picture afterwards, it doesn't look so bad, does it?  Then if we do nothing but wait a few hours, it gets worse, your face swells up and shows bruising and is a hell of a lot more tender.  That's how brain injuries like concussions work over time.  The inflammation takes time.

It was clear he got hurt and it was clear the hurt part was his head.  You'd have to know absolutely nothing about brain injuries to think if he seems fine right now then great, it won't get worse, so he's good to go back in.  The reason the NFL protocol on concussions has an immediate assessment and not a more medically relevant required stay out of the game to monitor for progression of symptoms is very simple:

thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players.

^This


I got a concussion last year snowboarding, I knew it immediately but nobody else could tell, if I was in a situation where I'm on the job and I'm motivated to keep going then I might ignore it as much as possible. Not all concussions are obvious and sometimes symptoms can go away quickly even though the brain isn't healed.
 
2017-11-13 10:19:29 AM  

js34603: IAmRight: Meanwhile, in Seattle, Russell Wilson gets hit, is immediately back up and never even looks to have been hit hard, and the referees ensure he's out.

I haven't really watched any non-Seahawks-on-national-TV games this year. Have the refs ever forced someone else off the field without that person even staying down an extra second or two, or is this another "NFL refs have special Seahawks rules" deal?

I mean, I get the "penalties for every unsuccessful third down for an opponent whenever they get down two scores in the first three quarters of a night game, gotta make this game look interesting."

I've just never seen the "nope, you gotta leave the field despite no indication you're hurt" move before.

It's defintely the NFL's special Seahawk rules as it is known the entire NFL world revolves around the Seahawks. Every day Roger Goodell and Donald Trump have a meeting about how best to ruin the Seahawks.

"I haven't watched football this year, but I make special point to discuss it as much as possible to show how uninterested I am"


*yawn*

Go be a clown elsewhere.

"You're not allowed to discuss stuff unless you watch all the games 'cause this is very important bullsh*t."

Eh, never mind. I realized you've never contributed anything of value to any thread.
 
2017-11-13 10:31:21 AM  

GardenWeasel: Wouldnt that be Wilson'shiat the other night with the 5 second cursory glance into the tent?


Well, I'm glad he had the decency to go to the tent for that.
 
2017-11-13 10:33:32 AM  
It's a voluntary activity, and the payoff for the danger of playing is riches, fame and glory.
Ask a hundred former players and 99 will say they'd do it all again.
 
2017-11-13 10:36:15 AM  
The league violates the concussion thing often enough. But you could pick much better hits than this one to illustrate the point.
 
2017-11-13 10:36:52 AM  

AdamK: lennavan: MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it

I think the problem you're having is with medical terminology.  The word here is concussion.  The signs and symptoms of a concussion do not all appear immediately after the trauma.  Think about it this way.  If I punch you in the face and we immediately take a picture afterwards, it doesn't look so bad, does it?  Then if we do nothing but wait a few hours, it gets worse, your face swells up and shows bruising and is a hell of a lot more tender.  That's how brain injuries like concussions work over time.  The inflammation takes time.

It was clear he got hurt and it was clear the hurt part was his head.  You'd have to know absolutely nothing about brain injuries to think if he seems fine right now then great, it won't get worse, so he's good to go back in.  The reason the NFL protocol on concussions has an immediate assessment and not a more medically relevant required stay out of the game to monitor for progression of symptoms is very simple:

thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players.

^This

I got a concussion last year snowboarding, I knew it immediately but nobody else could tell, if I was in a situation where I'm on the job and I'm motivated to keep going then I might ignore it as much as possible. Not all concussions are obvious and sometimes symptoms can go away quickly even though the brain isn't healed.


Most employers will fire your ass if they find out you were injured on the job and did not seek treatment. The NFL is weird in that they actively endorse this behavior.
 
2017-11-13 11:00:08 AM  

bingethinker: thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players. It's sad, but true. I hear there's professional flag football, but no one will watch that. It's not just about athleticism. The viewers want to see the big hits too.

Not So CSB: I used to be a huge fan of boxing back in the day. Then it finally got through to me that the whole point of the "sport" is knocking around brains in skulls like they were pinballs. A human brain was not designed to bounce around in the skull like a pinball. I didn't care it someone wanted to get their lip busted or nose broken, but realizing that someone is getting their brain damaged for my entertainment suddenly made me sick. I totally gave up on boxing and haven't watched a minute of it in over a decade.

Well, yeah. One of the ways you win in boxing is to scramble the other guy's brain so much he can't continue. I stopped watching it too.

Boxing is simply a modern "acceptable" form of Roman-style gladiatorial combat. People watch it for the same reasons that Roman citizens watched that. And yes, I quit watching it myself decades ago once I realized that.
 
2017-11-13 11:05:27 AM  

holdmybones: AdamK: lennavan: MtnByker: This wasn't that clear at all as he put it

I think the problem you're having is with medical terminology.  The word here is concussion.  The signs and symptoms of a concussion do not all appear immediately after the trauma.  Think about it this way.  If I punch you in the face and we immediately take a picture afterwards, it doesn't look so bad, does it?  Then if we do nothing but wait a few hours, it gets worse, your face swells up and shows bruising and is a hell of a lot more tender.  That's how brain injuries like concussions work over time.  The inflammation takes time.

It was clear he got hurt and it was clear the hurt part was his head.  You'd have to know absolutely nothing about brain injuries to think if he seems fine right now then great, it won't get worse, so he's good to go back in.  The reason the NFL protocol on concussions has an immediate assessment and not a more medically relevant required stay out of the game to monitor for progression of symptoms is very simple:

thatguyoverthere70: The unfortunate truth is that nobody really cares about the health of these players.

^This

I got a concussion last year snowboarding, I knew it immediately but nobody else could tell, if I was in a situation where I'm on the job and I'm motivated to keep going then I might ignore it as much as possible. Not all concussions are obvious and sometimes symptoms can go away quickly even though the brain isn't healed.

Most employers will fire your ass if they find out you were injured on the job and did not seek treatment. The NFL is weird in that they actively endorse this behavior.


As long as players have to play to get paid and keep a job then they will hide injuries, if the NFL didn't want people to hide injuries then they should give the union more power and that will never happen.
 
2017-11-13 11:07:24 AM  

COMALite J: Boxing is simply a modern "acceptable" form of Roman-style gladiatorial combat. People watch it for the same reasons that Roman citizens watched that. And yes, I quit watching it myself decades ago once I realized that.


At least with boxing, both parties go into the ring knowing this is the case. They're going to stand toe-to-toe and slug it out with pre-determined rules.

Football is different. There are rules, but they're not really hard fast. At any moment somebody may smack you right in the side of the head when you're not looking and ruin your life.

And that person will dance afterwards. Maybe he'll get a small penalty and a small fine, but that's it.

I mean even in boxing, if a guy goes down on to his knee and you cream him again in the head, you get DQ'd.
 
2017-11-13 11:13:49 AM  

MugzyBrown: COMALite J: Boxing is simply a modern "acceptable" form of Roman-style gladiatorial combat. People watch it for the same reasons that Roman citizens watched that. And yes, I quit watching it myself decades ago once I realized that.

At least with boxing, both parties go into the ring knowing this is the case. They're going to stand toe-to-toe and slug it out with pre-determined rules.

Football is different. There are rules, but they're not really hard fast. At any moment somebody may smack you right in the side of the head when you're not looking and ruin your life.

And that person will dance afterwards. Maybe he'll get a small penalty and a small fine, but that's it.

I mean even in boxing, if a guy goes down on to his knee and you cream him again in the head, you get DQ'd.


Boxers also go into a fight knowing they'll get paid plenty, the average NFL career is 3-4 years and most get paid very little with a lot of contract stipulations being on playtime and performance.
 
2017-11-13 11:30:59 AM  

doubled99: It's a voluntary activity, and the payoff for the danger of playing is riches, fame and glory.
Ask a hundred former players and 99 will say they'd do it all again.


Not all voluntary activities should be legal.
 
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