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(The New York Times)   Last major selvage plant in America is set to close. What's selvage you ask? Just something you've been wearing most of your life   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-11-10 06:10:33 PM  
They keep saying it good for my skin. Is that not true?
 
2017-11-10 06:36:23 PM  
RIP
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2017-11-10 06:39:52 PM  
Dammit.
 
2017-11-10 06:41:40 PM  
Fairly sure I haven't been wearing $230 jeans for, well, any of my life.
 
2017-11-10 06:43:31 PM  
Read the story, still have no idea what selvage is. They mention "selvage stitching on the inside seam that jeans lovers proudly reveal by rolling their cuffs ".

I googled up a picture. Where is it?
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2017-11-10 06:48:18 PM  
For star-spangled denim-heads and bearded coastal creatives, the White Oak label long served as a badge of American honor - and as an entry ticket into a subculture united around a love of classic American clothing brands.

I must not be cool. I've never heard of this brand.
 
2017-11-10 06:54:06 PM  
Wonder which city in China they're heading to.
 
2017-11-10 06:54:10 PM  
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Visibly distraught
 
2017-11-10 07:30:50 PM  
Good. They shouldn't have tried to go to the moon anyway.
 
2017-11-10 07:33:28 PM  
I guess Trump doesn't wear jeans.
 
2017-11-10 07:38:49 PM  

abhorrent1: I must not be cool. I've never heard of this brand.


They make the denim used by other brands - like 7 for All Mankind, one of my personal favourites. I don't think you can actually buy a pair of White Oak brand jeans.
 
2017-11-10 07:52:49 PM  

jaytkay: Read the story, still have no idea what selvage is. They mention "selvage stitching on the inside seam that jeans lovers proudly reveal by rolling their cuffs ".

I googled up a picture. Where is it?
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it's the white part at the edge of the cloth.  It is a slightly different (tighter) weave than the body of the cloth, and serves to bind the edge so it won't ravel, and doesn't need to be serged.

 IIRC it comes from "self edge", and is pretty much the same thing you see at the edge on non-hemmed sheets and towels
 
2017-11-10 07:54:52 PM  
Haven't worn jeans in years, I prefer pocket space.
 
2017-11-10 07:56:22 PM  
It's a very edgy headline.
 
2017-11-10 07:57:13 PM  

abhorrent1: For star-spangled denim-heads and bearded coastal creatives, the White Oak label long served as a badge of American honor - and as an entry ticket into a subculture united around a love of classic American clothing brands.

I must not be cool. I've never heard of this brand.


You weren't cool before it was cool to not be cool.
 
2017-11-10 08:08:09 PM  
What he saw there, he said in an interview, was denim done the right way - not mass-produced on modern looms

So a company run by people that didn't learn about the Luddites in school? Their opinion of the "right way" was slapped away by the invisible hand of the free market.
 
2017-11-10 08:11:47 PM  
What's selvage you ask? Just something you've been wearing most of your life

i've been wearing the edges around a sheet of stamps?
 
2017-11-10 08:16:43 PM  

jaytkay: Read the story, still have no idea what selvage is. They mention "selvage stitching on the inside seam that jeans lovers proudly reveal by rolling their cuffs ".

I googled up a picture. Where is it?
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Oh, now I see 'em.

I don't pretend to know the terminology, it is the white edge which (I think) is from the fabric's edges as manufactured. Not certain, but I'd guess it is less likely to fray by the thread is woven and twisted as compared to a raw, cut edge that would need to be over-stitched (looks it up: officially called "overcasting," serged, done by a serger). It may be a seam normally on the inside, but ironically your picture shows what I would have though is the outside seam of the leg.

FWIW: The Google's here wanted to show me images from selvedge, but selvage show the same pictures. The Oxford English dictionary kindly explains the second being a North American spelling.
 
2017-11-10 09:13:49 PM  

Jory: jaytkay: Read the story, still have no idea what selvage is. They mention "selvage stitching on the inside seam that jeans lovers proudly reveal by rolling their cuffs ".

I googled up a picture. Where is it?
[cloudfront.dappered.com image 575x383]

it's the white part at the edge of the cloth.  It is a slightly different (tighter) weave than the body of the cloth, and serves to bind the edge so it won't ravel, and doesn't need to be serged.

 IIRC it comes from "self edge", and is pretty much the same thing you see at the edge on non-hemmed sheets and towels


that's impressive. outside of my dad you're the only person i've seen could come up with this answer.
 
2017-11-10 09:19:06 PM  

Jory: it's the white part at the edge of the cloth.


AnudderFreakinFarker: it is the white edge which (I think) is from the fabric's edges as manufactured. Not certain, but I'd guess it is less likely to fray by the thread is woven and twisted as compared to a raw, cut edge that would need to be over-stitched


Thank you. Interesting.

I know next to nothing about fabric and sewing, but I find it really interesting. My grandmother had big ol' sit-down loom in her basement and it was a thing of mystery and fascination. In retrospect I was a fool for not asking how to work it.
 
2017-11-10 09:56:43 PM  
No, you haven't been wearing selvage. You've been wearing the cheap stuff at $30 a pair which you have to replace every year because they fall apart.  During that time, you're been making fun of these fancy yuppies for paying $100 for selvage jeans which last 10 years.  You're smart.

https://toddshelton.com/blog/jeans/se​l​vage-denim
 
2017-11-10 10:01:42 PM  
I always thought it was "selvedge".
 
2017-11-10 10:15:41 PM  

southernmanblog: Fairly sure I haven't been wearing $230 jeans for, well, any of my life.


Does the material cost really justify the retail price?....or is this one of those "this is a premium product, therefore it will have premium margins" type situations...
 
2017-11-10 11:08:46 PM  

southernmanblog: Fairly sure I haven't been wearing $230 jeans for, well, any of my life.


Same, but I don't think I have worn any denim in a decade. Always preferred nice, light khakis.
 
2017-11-10 11:49:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: No, you haven't been wearing selvage. You've been wearing the cheap stuff at $30 a pair which you have to replace every year because they fall apart.  During that time, you're been making fun of these fancy yuppies for paying $100 for selvage jeans which last 10 years.  You're smart.

https://toddshelton.com/blog/jeans/sel​vage-denim


I don't know if my jeans last 10 years, but they certainly last more than 1 year. And by your math, if they last 3.3 years, I break even. So yes, I am smart, and I'm also sick of seeing people quote that thing by Terry Pratchett about expensive vs. cheap boots.
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2017-11-11 01:05:14 AM  
Well at least they don't have to live like a selvagee.
 
2017-11-11 02:22:19 AM  
The hell I have.  $230 pants are for people with more money than sense.  Like subby, apparently.
 
2017-11-11 08:05:10 AM  
In October, International Textile Group, acquired by a private equity firm a year ago, announced plans to close the storied Cone Denim White Oak plant in Greensboro, N.C.

Say no more.
 
2017-11-11 11:08:51 AM  
Current work jeans are by either schmidt or berne. Traveling north carolina a couple years back we happened into a farm co-op and jeans were anwhere between 14 and 22 bucks. Bought four pairs. After 2 years of hard use, 2 pair have worn out to where i cant fix them even with my sewing machine. I make potholders out of what remains...
 
2017-11-11 11:20:10 AM  

WelldeadLink: abhorrent1: For star-spangled denim-heads and bearded coastal creatives, the White Oak label long served as a badge of American honor - and as an entry ticket into a subculture united around a love of classic American clothing brands.

I must not be cool. I've never heard of this brand.

You weren't cool before it was cool to not be cool.


Wait. So am I cool now because I'm not cool? Being cool is hard and confusing.
 
2017-11-11 12:41:30 PM  
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2017-11-11 01:59:16 PM  
Other fun things to do with selvage jeans: never wash them. Once every 6 months, take a shower while wearing them and keep them on while they dry.
 
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