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2017-11-09 02:16:24 AM  
Everyone accused of wrongdoing should have the right to due process.

Sadly, many disagree.
 
2017-11-09 06:03:28 AM  
You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.
 
2017-11-09 06:41:04 AM  

keylock71: You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.


I wouldn't want to wait that long.  Probably a few hundred years would have to pass for that to happen, if at all.
 
2017-11-09 06:42:01 AM  

keylock71: You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.


Especially since many of the base think that anyone who votes for someone with a D after their name is evil incarnate and probably a demon.

\yes, I have been told that to my face
 
2017-11-09 06:49:20 AM  
Of course they are entitled to constitutional protections. All voters are.
 
2017-11-09 07:06:37 AM  

SpaceyCat: keylock71: You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.

I wouldn't want to wait that long.  Probably a few hundred years would have to pass for that to happen, if at all.


That's the joke... : )

But, yeah seriously... they have ICE staking out hospitals and churches now to catch dangerous 10 year olds with CP. They're basically a few steps from becoming the Gestapo at this point, and the majority of the Republican coonts support it.
 
2017-11-09 07:47:44 AM  
Bu..but...but he's a criminal! I mean, giving criminals rights? Who does that? The moment you're accused of something you lose your rights!

That seems to be the operating principle of the Trump Administration. You know, with the exception of themselves or those working for them. THEN it's a total witch hunt, and we should just let God judge their crimes...
 
2017-11-09 08:00:01 AM  
Turns out judges really don't appreciate being told "Our actions cannot be reviews and die process is just a pair of pretty words."
 
2017-11-09 08:04:34 AM  
What did you expect from a judge called Martinez? He should be investigated if he is here legally.


Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?
 
2017-11-09 08:09:54 AM  

lucksi: What did you expect from a judge called Martinez? He should be investigated if he is here legally.


Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?


Yes.  Relevant article.
 
2017-11-09 08:11:03 AM  
lucksi:
Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?

I am not a lawyer, but to the best of my understanding - Yes.
 
2017-11-09 08:11:12 AM  

Skwrl: lucksi: What did you expect from a judge called Martinez? He should be investigated if he is here legally.


Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?

Yes.  Relevant article.


Pressed, "Add Comment" too quickly.   Should have added: "some."
 
2017-11-09 08:13:29 AM  
If that judge had read the "real" constitution, he'd know that non-citizens have no rights of any kind. It's in there... somewhere.

/I still can't believe this seems to be a pretty common belief in the US, especially among 'muricans.
 
2017-11-09 08:16:25 AM  
Who's going to enforce this court order?
 
2017-11-09 08:17:10 AM  
Due process is an integral part of American law.

 I"m in favor of due process for everyone accused of a crime, even herr trumpenfuhrer and his toadying minions. As far as trump and his merry band of assholes, I am hoping for due process to result in indictments, impeachment, imprisonment, impoverishment, and hopefully excommunication.

Pillorying in the town square would also be a plus.
 
2017-11-09 08:17:17 AM  
Am I understanding the process here. He has a work permit through DACA, so he is legally allowed to reside in the US as long as he keeps a clean criminal record... Yet he is arrested on suspension of residing illegally, and that arrest is grounds for having his DACA status rescinded?

WTF?
 
2017-11-09 08:27:59 AM  

lucksi: What did you expect from a judge called Martinez? He should be investigated if he is here legally.


Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?


Yes, all people in the United States or interacting with the government of the United States.  Almost nowhere in the Constitution does it say "citizens" instead of something like persons or people.

That said, when faced with immigration proceeding, NO ONE, citizen or not, has all the rights Law & Order taught you to expect.

The laws, courts, and punishments for those violations are defined as civil matters instead of criminal.  So the amendments that say stuff like "I'm all criminal proceedings the accused has a right to counsel"?  Those don't apply.

Which is how you get three year olds who can't speak English having to represent themselves at deportation hearings.
 
2017-11-09 08:29:23 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Am I understanding the process here. He has a work permit through DACA, so he is legally allowed to reside in the US as long as he keeps a clean criminal record... Yet he is arrested on suspension of residing illegally, and that arrest is grounds for having his DACA status rescinded?

WTF?


It's the new "Your under arrest for resisting arrest.  No, no other charges.  Just resisting arrest."
 
2017-11-09 08:33:00 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Am I understanding the process here. He has a work permit through DACA, so he is legally allowed to reside in the US as long as he keeps a clean criminal record... Yet he is arrested on suspension of residing illegally, and that arrest is grounds for having his DACA status rescinded?

WTF?


Probably has a condition that he can stay here as long as he has a job, which likely went up in smoke because he's been detained.
 
2017-11-09 08:46:06 AM  
After Ramirez was taken into custody, ICE said he'd been detained because he was a "self-admitted gang member." His attorneys denied that he was a member of a gang and charged that while he was in custody, ICE agents repeatedly pressured him to falsely admit to a gang affiliation.

If that is true (Narrator:  It is), then every single one of those agents should be fired and drawn up on charges.  But they won't, because ICE is being allowed to operate with nativist impunity.

/The vast majority of Dreamers are more American can these jack-booted thugs.
 
2017-11-09 08:48:12 AM  

UNC_Samurai: After Ramirez was taken into custody, ICE said he'd been detained because he was a "self-admitted gang member." His attorneys denied that he was a member of a gang and charged that while he was in custody, ICE agents repeatedly pressured him to falsely admit to a gang affiliation.

If that is true (Narrator:  It is), then every single one of those agents should be fired and drawn up on charges.  But they won't, because ICE is being allowed to operate with nativist impunity.

/The vast majority of Dreamers are more American can these jack-booted thugs.


If sane people ever get control of this country again ICE needs to be burned down and rebuilt from the ground up.
 
2017-11-09 08:50:54 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Am I understanding the process here. He has a work permit through DACA, so he is legally allowed to reside in the US as long as he keeps a clean criminal record... Yet he is arrested on suspension of residing illegally, and that arrest is grounds for having his DACA status rescinded?

WTF?


of course that's how YOU would understand it you pink...oh.
 
2017-11-09 08:54:04 AM  
It's pretty clear that if you've been granted DACA status you are entitled to all Constitutional protections. However, what is ethically, morally and legally clear does not always imply the courts will act accordingly.
 
2017-11-09 08:56:55 AM  

Karac: lucksi: What did you expect from a judge called Martinez? He should be investigated if he is here legally.


Snarking aside, do foreign people on US soil even have the rights like the Fifth Amendment?

Yes, all people in the United States or interacting with the government of the United States.  Almost nowhere in the Constitution does it say "citizens" instead of something like persons or people.

That said, when faced with immigration proceeding, NO ONE, citizen or not, has all the rights Law & Order taught you to expect.

The laws, courts, and punishments for those violations are defined as civil matters instead of criminal.  So the amendments that say stuff like "I'm all criminal proceedings the accused has a right to counsel"?  Those don't apply.

Which is how you get three year olds who can't speak English having to represent themselves at deportation hearings.


Remember Superman fought for "Truth, Justice, andThe American Way" because Truth and Justice are not partof The American Way.
 
2017-11-09 09:09:47 AM  

SpaceyCat: keylock71: You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.

Especially since many of the base think that anyone who votes for someone with a D after their name is evil incarnate and probably a demon.

\yes, I have been told that to my face


"What is a demon?"
"We talkin 40k demons or Salem demons?"
"As a real life demon, I often wonder why you frail beings do not flee from my terrible visage in horrified disgust."
 
2017-11-09 09:18:24 AM  

phrawgh: Of course they are entitled to constitutional protections. All voters are.


No, anyone in the U.S or the control of the U.S government is, whether they are registered or eligible to vote or not.
 
2017-11-09 09:24:18 AM  

doglover: Everyone accused of wrongdoing should have the right to due process.

Sadly, many disagree.


Yep. Like the people who lost their minds when Betsy DeVos proposed it for students at colleges and universities.
 
2017-11-09 10:27:56 AM  
Good. It'll take years for them to see an immigration court judge. The 2 years of deferred action just means they can renew their DACA status since DACA literally means "Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals." It's kicking the can to 2020, where we will hopefully just do another amnesty, not unlike those that have been done almost every decade since the 60's.
 
2017-11-09 10:49:45 AM  

ElPrimitivo: Due process is an integral part of American law.

 I"m in favor of due process for everyone accused of a crime, even herr trumpenfuhrer and his toadying minions. As far as trump and his merry band of assholes, I am hoping for due process to result in indictments, impeachment, imprisonment, impoverishment, and hopefully excommunication.

Pillorying in the town square would also be a plus.


And a fifth "i", for incarceration.  Yes, I know you already said "imprison", but let's see if we can put them in prison...in prison.

/seriously, though, Due Process is important
//we gave the farking Nazis due process at Nuremberg
 
2017-11-09 10:54:09 AM  

Pinko_Commie: Am I understanding the process here. He has a work permit through DACA, so he is legally allowed to reside in the US as long as he keeps a clean criminal record... Yet he is arrested on suspension of residing illegally, and that arrest is grounds for having his DACA status rescinded?

WTF?


I assume you meant "suspicion", but yeah.  Most immigration attorneys I know burn out quicker than divorce or criminal defense attorneys, because of crap like that.

Bonus points:  actual full-blown U.S. citizens get caught up in raids...that's always a good time, what with the "no, you don't get a phone call, you illegal immigrant" policy.
 
2017-11-09 10:55:13 AM  

Archidude: Remember Superman fought for "Truth, Justice, andThe American Way" because Truth and Justice are not partof The American Way.


"America's not a country.  It's a business.  Now pay me."
- not terribly obscure
 
2017-11-09 01:46:53 PM  

SpaceyCat: keylock71: You have to get the GOP to admit they're actual human beings first, I think... Baby steps.

I wouldn't want to wait that long.  Probably a few hundred years would have to pass for that to happen, if at all.


A few hundred years?

I think we'll see proton decay before the GOP admits something like that.
 
2017-11-09 02:45:46 PM  
Country rules the Federal court judge is an idiot and not fit for the bench.
 
2017-11-09 03:17:41 PM  

Somacandra: phrawgh: Of course they are entitled to constitutional protections. All voters are.

No, anyone in the U.S or the control of the U.S government is, whether they are registered or eligible to vote or not.


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2017-11-09 08:01:06 PM  
Damn straight they do.
 
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