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(USA Today)   While not a fan of Pence, I don't think I'd call him "evil" per the headline   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2017-11-08 09:43:55 PM  
You might not but I will:

Evil descends on a small town twice in four days

THAT should have been your Headline.
 
2017-11-08 09:48:42 PM  
I would.
 
2017-11-08 10:07:53 PM  
All he has to offer is blood, sweat and tears-
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2017-11-08 10:11:06 PM  
I would.  But Pence at least can do a better job of sanctimonious empathy than a lout like Trump who would probably tell everyone to have a fun day and toss some paper towels at them, reminding them that had we had better gun laws and stronger background checks, their family members would still be room temperature.
 
2017-11-08 11:05:01 PM  

dv-ous: I would.


I would too.
 
2017-11-08 11:13:48 PM  
If not evil, then what?
 
2017-11-08 11:48:51 PM  
no, Pence is evil.  lucky for us he's also apparently stupid, so there's that.
 
2017-11-09 12:07:26 AM  

Weaver95: no, Pence is evil.  lucky for us he's also apparently stupid, so there's that.


I think certain levels and forms of evil actually require a certain kind of stupidity.
 
2017-11-09 12:10:27 AM  

dv-ous: Weaver95: no, Pence is evil.  lucky for us he's also apparently stupid, so there's that.

I think certain levels and forms of evil actually require a certain kind of stupidity.


Pence also isn't remotely christian, but I don't know what that might have to do with his moral failures in life, if indeed its connected at all.
 
2017-11-09 12:33:46 AM  
Are you sure subby? Maybe look into how he knowingly allowed dozens of people to get infected with HIV. Sounds pretty evil to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us​/​politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-i​ndiana.html
 
2017-11-09 12:36:03 AM  
Mike Pence seems like the kind of guy who used to torture small animals in the back of a shed as a child. There's something about his disingenuous attempt at a tranquil presence that sets off red flags in my mind that the guy would probably be a serial killer if he didn't hold public office.
 
2017-11-09 12:38:03 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: If not evil, then what?


My autocorrect turned "Keebler" into "evil" once, just say in'.
 
2017-11-09 12:38:07 AM  

Charletron: Are you sure subby? Maybe look into how he knowingly allowed dozens of people to get infected with HIV. Sounds pretty evil to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/​politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-i​ndiana.html


Came here to post that, leaving still angry that some people still think he's mostly harmless.
 
2017-11-09 12:38:31 AM  

Charletron: Are you sure subby? Maybe look into how he knowingly allowed dozens of people to get infected with HIV. Sounds pretty evil to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/​politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-i​ndiana.html


This.  And oh, hey, this.  Another county that thinks it's a good idea.  The sound objective reasoning?

But Lawrence County commissioner Rodney Fish's opposition was biblical. According to Vox, Fish quoted 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 before voting against the program: "If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Fish told NBC News that it was "a moral issue" for him.


https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2​0​17/10/23/2nd-indiana-county-ends-needl​e-exchange-one-official-citing-moral-c​oncerns/787740001/
 
2017-11-09 12:39:05 AM  
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2017-11-09 12:39:13 AM  
If evil exists, Pence fits the description.

He wants a christian theocracy.
 
2017-11-09 12:39:27 AM  
Pence is a smarmy, judgy asshole who enjoys inflicting harm on people he thinks are beneath him. He's a bad person.
 
2017-11-09 12:40:01 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Charletron: Are you sure subby? Maybe look into how he knowingly allowed dozens of people to get infected with HIV. Sounds pretty evil to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/​politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-i​ndiana.html

This.  And oh, hey, this.  Another county that thinks it's a good idea.  The sound objective reasoning?

But Lawrence County commissioner Rodney Fish's opposition was biblical. According to Vox, Fish quoted 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 before voting against the program: "If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Fish told NBC News that it was "a moral issue" for him.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/20​17/10/23/2nd-indiana-county-ends-needl​e-exchange-one-official-citing-moral-c​oncerns/787740001/


My state  is full of morons
 
2017-11-09 12:41:09 AM  

AquaTatanka: If evil exists, Pence fits the description.

He wants a christian theocracy.


and he's pretty open about that fact too, I might add.
 
2017-11-09 12:49:37 AM  
I got your joke, Subby.  He's doesn't come off as evil, but it's that Ted Danson in The Good Place, surrounded by goodness but it's all really nefarious, evil.

The man is frozen yogurt is what I'm saying.
 
2017-11-09 12:50:01 AM  
He's run for office on a platform of summary execution of gay children, and there's something in him so uncontrollable around women that he can't give unchaperoned interviews to female journalists. Sorry, but the dude's unquestionably the most evil one in a room full of plutocrats and neo-Nazis.
 
2017-11-09 12:50:37 AM  
We've just become so inured to the chaotic evil of Trump that we give to much credence to Pence's lawful evil as "better" because it's at consistent.
 
2017-11-09 12:53:13 AM  

Weatherkiss: Mike Pence seems like the kind of guy who used to torture small animals in the back of a shed as a child. There's something about his disingenuous attempt at a tranquil presence that sets off red flags in my mind that the guy would probably be a serial killer if he didn't hold public office.


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2017-11-09 12:53:21 AM  
Conversion therapy and the electro shock treatment of teens and young adults who that they won't be gay is evil. If you disagree with that, then we have no common ground to have a discussion.
 
2017-11-09 12:54:16 AM  
Pence is a literal Motherfarker.

And not just because he has children.
 
2017-11-09 12:54:30 AM  
subby, there's very few ways you can make "I want to electrocute people because I'm gay, I can't deal with it, and those people remind me of that" funny, and you have not found any of them.

Please take a few courses before trying again.
 
stk
2017-11-09 12:56:25 AM  
Why not? He has evil beliefs and would do evil things given the chance.
 
2017-11-09 12:57:33 AM  
The bigoted religious extremist who has to constantly struggle with his rape urges with a history of corrupt and inhuman legislation? That's the Mike Pence who isn't evil?
 
2017-11-09 12:59:03 AM  

D_PaulAngel: We've just become so inured to the chaotic evil of Trump that we give to much credence to Pence's lawful evil as "better" because it's at consistent.


well then someone needs to level up their smite evil ability and get cracking.
 
2017-11-09 01:00:57 AM  
Going into 2017, we had no illusions about Trump.   He's what he is, a boorish, uninterested, vindictive narcissist who is unfit to run a small town zoning office, much less the highest office in the land.  But Pence had the chance to be the one sane voice in the wilderness.   As VP, he can't be fired or silenced.   But instead, he's been right up on the sidelines waving the flag for every bigoted, stupid bit of lunacy coming out of the Trump administration.   If there's a tie-breaker needed in the senate, he spends no time examining his conscience or the merits of the situation.    Appoint someone totally unqualified to secretary of education?  No problem.   Repeal healthcare for millions?   Mike was there in case a tie-breaking vote was needed.

Yeah, he's not as chaotic as Trump, but he's at least as evil.
 
2017-11-09 01:06:18 AM  
Pence isn't just evil in his own right.

He's among the most dangerous evil. He's the evil that is convinced he is actually doing right.

He is blind to the actual costs of his actions, but instead views them through the distorted view of morality seen from up his ass and through a bible so farked up it doesn't exist in real life.

He doesn't see women getting more abortions because he cut off access to birth control. That would require critical thinking and logic.

He doesn't understand the spread of HIV and STDs because he ended needle exchanges. Those things are not part of his flawed logic circuit. To him, he STIGGINIT to DRUGGIES, and that's that.

He's beyond evil. Evil is normally at least somewhat aware of itself and the world it inhabits. He's retarded malevolent. He believes purple monkey dishwasher banana remote control toaster, because Jesus Heaven *heavy breathing* *erection* fart and reasons, and damn you to hell for questioning that.

AND your taxes just went up to pay for his churches' new roof because act of god tornado isn't covered by insurance, but he'll tell you how to vote from the pulpit because HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME
 
2017-11-09 01:09:45 AM  

AquaTatanka: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Charletron: Are you sure subby? Maybe look into how he knowingly allowed dozens of people to get infected with HIV. Sounds pretty evil to me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/us/​politics/mike-pence-needle-exchanges-i​ndiana.html

This.  And oh, hey, this.  Another county that thinks it's a good idea.  The sound objective reasoning?

But Lawrence County commissioner Rodney Fish's opposition was biblical. According to Vox, Fish quoted 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 before voting against the program: "If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Fish told NBC News that it was "a moral issue" for him.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/20​17/10/23/2nd-indiana-county-ends-needl​e-exchange-one-official-citing-moral-c​oncerns/787740001/

My state  is full of morons


Iowa hasn't gotten this bad yet.  I fully expect it to.
 
2017-11-09 01:11:10 AM  

xaks: AND your taxes just went up to pay for his churches' new roof because act of god tornado isn't covered by insurance, but he'll tell you how to vote from the pulpit because HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME


what I don't get is that Pence's level of success (actually, the entire rise of trump) more that prove just how powerful and dangerous the religious right has become in this country...and yet people STILL argue that the wacko evangelicals aren't a threat to our democratic institutions and personal freedoms.

Pence is right there, driving the evangelical legislative agenda and pushing hard to make his god the focus of this nation and despite the massive unpopularity of his social agenda he just keeps right on chugging along, totally convinced that he's doing the right thing for the country.
 
2017-11-09 01:12:37 AM  
I would. I'm a Hoosier, so. . . yeah. He's evil.
 
2017-11-09 01:15:20 AM  
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2017-11-09 01:19:02 AM  
Mike Pence would be burning "infidels" and "heretics" and "witches" at the stake if the law permitted it.
 
2017-11-09 01:20:06 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Mike Pence would be burning "infidels" and "heretics" and "witches" at the stake if the law permitted it.


yes, yes he would.  I also think people like Pence are driving worshipers away from christanity.
 
2017-11-09 01:34:58 AM  

Weaver95: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Mike Pence would be burning "infidels" and "heretics" and "witches" at the stake if the law permitted it.

yes, yes he would.  I also think people like Pence are driving worshipers away from christanity.


Pity the nuttier denominations breed like biblical plagues. Now it will just concentrate the crazy.
 
2017-11-09 01:39:25 AM  
We get it. Hallowed are the Ori. Whatever.
 
2017-11-09 01:41:13 AM  

Weaver95: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Mike Pence would be burning "infidels" and "heretics" and "witches" at the stake if the law permitted it.

yes, yes he would.  I also think people like Pence are driving worshipers away from christanity.


And they're filling up the cushions in my Zen community's little building, looking for meaning and peace in their lives, and like me, they've had enough of the Christian denominations that have become political mouthpieces.

The two traditions aren't mutually exclusive, by the way.  Some of our people go from our early Sunday session and straight to one church or another, usually UU or Episcopalian.  In fact, I met an Episcopalian clergyman on Inauguration Day at the day-long session we held, which was open to the public.  He seemed like a kind man.  He too was very unhappy with the way mainstream Christianity in America as a whole is behaving.  Earned my respect, at least.  In fact, I meant to go reciprocate by visiting his church at least once.  Maybe this month sometime.

The core teachings of Buddhism and those of Jesus of Nazareth have more in common than they do not.  I try not to forget that.  Easier said than done, though...I admit I still have some anger toward the church I left and the things they were doing and saying that dismayed me, but I know not all Christians are like that.
 
2017-11-09 01:41:19 AM  
Pence has contempt for non-religious people, tried to enshrine discrimination against gay and trans people into law, and tried to commit rape-by-proxy using doctors in order to punish women for having abortions. Yes he's f*cking evil.
 
2017-11-09 01:42:48 AM  
Mike Pence seems like the sort of guy to call Greek yoghurt too spicy.
 
2017-11-09 01:44:47 AM  

alienated: We get it. Hallowed are the Ori. Whatever.


"dark side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen"
SG1 - Daniel Jackson and Cameron Mitchell interrogating an Ori prior
Youtube 54XGQ6ZXxf8

/Cancer Man gets around
 
2017-11-09 01:49:17 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: And they're filling up the cushions in my Zen community's little building, looking for meaning and peace in their lives, and like me, they've had enough of the Christian denominations that have become political mouthpieces.


not only the politics, but there's also the constant sex abuse scandals and the money laundering as well.  plus we could both probably rant for days about how out of touch modern evangelicals are with what most of us face on a daily basis.   its insane to even think about trying to force ancient biblical codes of behavior on 21st century humans, but that's what many christian and islamic sects try to do.  well, the radicals at least.
 
2017-11-09 01:51:00 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: alienated: We get it. Hallowed are the Ori. Whatever.

"dark side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen"[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/54XGQ6ZX​xf8]
/Cancer Man gets around


I don't think the Arc of Truth will work on ours though.
 
2017-11-09 02:00:31 AM  

Weaver95: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: And they're filling up the cushions in my Zen community's little building, looking for meaning and peace in their lives, and like me, they've had enough of the Christian denominations that have become political mouthpieces.

not only the politics, but there's also the constant sex abuse scandals and the money laundering as well.  plus we could both probably rant for days about how out of touch modern evangelicals are with what most of us face on a daily basis.   its insane to even think about trying to force ancient biblical codes of behavior on 21st century humans, but that's what many christian and islamic sects try to do.  well, the radicals at least.


Well, most of the biblical codes are out of the books in the old testament or are talked about for context in books about the early church leadership trying to have a unified message. The Bible itself was assembled from multiple different books, with different authors, written at different times, some even in different societies. Then a committee decided which to put in and which to exclude when creating the collection. Throw in multiple translations into multiple languages several times, including the peasant's first bible (thanks James), and you get the clusterfark of repeating terms that make little sense and codes of conduct that were talking about one thing to not do, but the translations have changed the terms, so it makes no sense.

Oh, and the whole part about the Savior telling us to knock it off with the fake rules, we get a fresh start, so try not to be jackasses anymore.

\you know, minor details that every adult member of a religion should know
\\or at least the clergy should
\\\and serpent and shining one are the same word, so leave the snakes alone
 
2017-11-09 02:02:20 AM  

Weaver95: its insane to even think about trying to force ancient biblical codes of behavior on 21st century humans


See, though, I have no problem with people who want to believe that stuff.  Like what I quoted upthread:

But Lawrence County commissioner Rodney Fish's opposition was biblical. According to Vox, Fish quoted 2 Chronicles 7:13-14 before voting against the program: "If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; if my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Fish told NBC News that it was "a moral issue" for him.


Okay.  Fine.  I think it's nonsense, but I'm happy to leave them well enough alone if they want to police themselves and their flock that way.  But they keep trying to dictate what we can do with our lives using those codes from a religion an increasing number of us don't even follow anymore.  It IS insanity.

Indeed I rather am prone to ranting about it.  It's a topic that comes up quite frequently at our center.  Everyone has an opinion, no lie about that.  But our head priest has explicitly stated that he intends for our little organization to be as apolitical as possible when we engage the wider community.  A while back he did attend the Dakota Pipeline protest -- after a lot of thought and no small amount of reluctance.  I respected his decision to get involved because I know it wasn't done lightly.

I don't foresee it happening, but as soon as we start taking an official political stance, I'm looking for the door.
 
2017-11-09 02:09:17 AM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Okay.  Fine.  I think it's nonsense, but I'm happy to leave them well enough alone if they want to police themselves and their flock that way.  But they keep trying to dictate what we can do with our lives using those codes from a religion an increasing number of us don't even follow anymore.  It IS insanity.


thing is, just about every pagan and witch I know either DESPISES politics and/or just want to be left alone to do as they will....but every day it seems like there's a new policy or law coming down the pike from the GOP controlled legislature and/or trump controlled government agency that shoves Pence's version of evangelical christanity in everyone's faces.  there's a LOT of evangelical friendly things in trump's budget proposal, for example.  so I feel that if I don't stay involved, that if I don't stand up and LOUDLY protect my right to worship (or not worship) as I please that it'll be removed and I won't have freedom of religion anymore.

so either we stand up and protect our rights, or Pence *WILL* act to remove them from us.  we're going to be forced into being political with ALL our various religions, because if we don't stay involved with government then the hyper christians who ARE involved will abuse their political power to oppress everyone who isn't part of their cult.
 
2017-11-09 02:14:26 AM  
Pence is evil, whereas his boss is simply stupid and incurious.
 
2017-11-09 02:31:41 AM  

paranand: Conversion therapy and the electro shock treatment of teens and young adults who that they won't be gay is evil. If you disagree with that, then we have no common ground to have a discussion.


Who the ever loving fark voted that as funny? Yeah, there was a typo, but the message was serious. This is on record as something he supported as governor. That is evil, end of discussion. I'm straight, but have had my share of bad relationships with women where I knew better but still loved them. You love who you love. If you think you can shock somebody into loving a whole different gender, then your beliefs overrule everything we know about humanity, and you are imposing your beliefs violently upon innocent people. That is evil.
 
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