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2017-11-08 10:33:00 AM  
If they really wanted to do this right, they shouldn't make them into bog-standard modern horror movies. They should embrace the classic status of these characters and make the films celebrations of that classic status instead. Evoke the era of the black and white monster film, the way Young Frankenstein did. Stick to the same general rating limit, too. These are classic black and white movie monsters, so put them in classic black and white monster movies.

..and for God's sake, stop hiring Tom Cruise to be in anything.
 
2017-11-08 10:54:59 AM  
Can we skip straight to "Jack Black Meets the Wolfman"?
 
2017-11-08 11:00:37 AM  
I liked the Mummy. It was a popcorn eater, not high art, but it was not that bad.
 
2017-11-08 11:22:58 AM  

PirateKing: I liked the Mummy. It was a popcorn eater, not high art, but it was not that bad.


Same. My wife and I were leery from the reviews, but it was a decent enough flick. The actress playing the Mummy was both gorgeous and damn good in the role (the love interest by comparison was annoying)

Seems like it got a lot of extra gripes than deserved.
 
2017-11-08 11:27:30 AM  
I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.
 
2017-11-08 11:29:31 AM  
Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?
 
2017-11-08 11:32:29 AM  

LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?


That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too
 
2017-11-08 11:33:14 AM  

This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too


And possibly Pacific Rim. Maybe...
 
2017-11-08 11:33:33 AM  
I was sort of interested to see where they would go with the Jekyll/Hyde character. Oh well.
 
2017-11-08 11:36:15 AM  

bloobeary: If they really wanted to do this right, they shouldn't make them into bog-standard modern horror movies. They should embrace the classic status of these characters and make the films celebrations of that classic status instead. Evoke the era of the black and white monster film, the way Young Frankenstein did. Stick to the same general rating limit, too. These are classic black and white movie monsters, so put them in classic black and white monster movies.

..and for God's sake, stop hiring Tom Cruise to be in anything.


I haven't seen it, but a lot of crtiics complained that the main problem is that The Mummy was NOT a horror movie.  It was basically Generic Tom Cruise Action Vehicle with Sorta-Sexy Mummy replacing Generic Russian ex-Spetnaz Gangsters
 
2017-11-08 11:38:02 AM  
Count me in on the 'didn't think The Mummy was that bad' camp.
 
2017-11-08 11:38:04 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.


Horace, we hardly knew ye
 
2017-11-08 11:39:20 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too

And possibly Pacific Rim. Maybe...


Nope. There's been some more studio/project shuffling around, and it was only a vague idea to begin with. The director has hinted at something new, but it won't be Jaegers and Godzilla etc. in a shared world.
 
2017-11-08 11:40:54 AM  

ArkPanda: Can we skip straight to "Jack Black Meets the Wolfman"?


To be followed by "Rogen and Franco Meet Frankenstein"?
 
2017-11-08 11:42:45 AM  
I think you have to embrace the camp. I'd really be more interested in a comedic dark universe like Abbott and Costello did.

Also, I hate that Frankenstein has mostly been bastardized into this weird bolts-in-neck creature. The novel was great. So was the Jekyll/Hyde tale.
 
2017-11-08 11:44:25 AM  

ThatBillmanGuy: This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too

And possibly Pacific Rim. Maybe...


That one was never really serious.

And frankly, I don't think you'd ever get Toho to go for it. They'll crossover up (see Kong), but not down (see the absence of a Gamera crossover).

There's a distant possibility you'll see an Ultraman crossover eventually, and not just via expy.
 
2017-11-08 11:54:54 AM  

ArkPanda: Can we skip straight to "Jack Black Meets the Wolfman"?


Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.


Jack Black:  "Wolfmans got nards!"
 
2017-11-08 11:56:04 AM  
It's almost like a cinematic shared universe is an incredibly difficult thing to pull off on the fly.
 
2017-11-08 11:59:20 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Also, I hate that Frankenstein has mostly been bastardized into this weird bolts-in-neck creature. The novel was great. So was the Jekyll/Hyde tale.


There have been plenty of more faithful Frankenstein adaptations over the years.  One of the reasons that Universal likes sticking with the bolts-on-neck style is that it became synonymous with their horror brand years ago and is also pretty strictly copyright-enforced.  It's as much about branding as it is about story.
 
2017-11-08 12:01:40 PM  
The Mummy Demastered™ Launch Trailer
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WayForward looks like they tried to salvage it
 
2017-11-08 12:02:47 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: I think you have to embrace the camp. I'd really be more interested in a comedic dark universe like Abbott and Costello did.


What I was thinking about.  The 'golden age' of monster-meets-monster, bride of monster, son of monster, Abbot & Costello meets monster - those were all popcorn movies and excuses to be alone with your honeybun in a dark room and make out.  Nobody went to those with the expectation that they'd be good.
 
2017-11-08 12:03:54 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.


Last year, I caught Monster Squad on Netflix. First time I'd seen it in more than 20 years. Can't say it aged well, especially since adult me realized that the kids in the squad were mostly unlikeable shiatheads to virtually everybody. FFS, making fun of a Holocaust survivor?
 
2017-11-08 12:04:19 PM  
Coming soon: "DC plans reboot with upcoming Flashpoint movie"

I honestly expect that is why they chose to do the Flash film as "Flashpoint": so they can start over with better versions of the characters.

It doesn't look good for Justice League based on the fact that review embargo is lifting so close to release.  Well reviewed movies don't typically do that.
 
2017-11-08 12:05:24 PM  

stoli n coke: Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.

Last year, I caught Monster Squad on Netflix. First time I'd seen it in more than 20 years. Can't say it aged well, especially since adult me realized that the kids in the squad were mostly unlikeable shiatheads to virtually everybody. FFS, making fun of a Holocaust survivor?


Most kids are unlikeable shiatheads who would make fun of a Holocaust survivor.
 
2017-11-08 12:10:33 PM  
Goddamit, its Dr Frankenstein, and Frakenstein's Monster.
 
2017-11-08 12:12:38 PM  

listernine: Goddamit, its Dr Frankenstein, and Frakenstein's Monster.


Fortunately, the doc didn't give the monster a pedantic brain.
 
2017-11-08 12:14:26 PM  
The mummy was hot. So that's nice
 
2017-11-08 12:16:16 PM  

bloobeary: If they really wanted to do this right, they shouldn't make them into bog-standard modern horror movies. They should embrace the classic status of these characters and make the films celebrations of that classic status instead. Evoke the era of the black and white monster film, the way Young Frankenstein did. Stick to the same general rating limit, too. These are classic black and white movie monsters, so put them in classic black and white monster movies.

..and for God's sake, stop hiring Tom Cruise to be in anything.


Perfectly stated.  Black and white films, taking place in isolated parts of indeterminate Europe,  Villagers with torches.  Van Helsing wasn't a great movie, but they could learn something from that opening sequence
 
2017-11-08 12:16:57 PM  

listernine: Goddamit, its Dr Frankenstein, and Frakenstein's Monster.


Victor Frankenstein created the Monster, so the Monster is, in effect, Frankenstein's son. As the son of Frankenstein, he would also have the surname Frankenstein. Q.E.D,

/just call them Victor and Adam, like in the book
 
2017-11-08 12:17:48 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.


this

/wolfman's got nards
 
2017-11-08 12:18:43 PM  
We have to care about the individual universes first, before we care about a shared universe.
 
2017-11-08 12:25:39 PM  
Why not just make a bunch of Abbott and Costello as zombie movies without other monsters and call that the Dark Universe. It will below everyone's minds.
 
2017-11-08 12:29:01 PM  

RyansPrivates: Coming soon: "DC plans reboot with upcoming Flashpoint movie"

I honestly expect that is why they chose to do the Flash film as "Flashpoint": so they can start over with better versions of the characters.

It doesn't look good for Justice League based on the fact that review embargo is lifting so close to release.  Well reviewed movies don't typically do that.


DC has already given up on the shared universe.  They announced that their upcoming films may or may not adhere to a particular shared story.  It's going to be a bit looser than even the current X-Men movies are.  Sure, there might be some shared characters or backstory, or maybe not.  They'll just wing it on a movie-by-movie basis.  I think Shazaam is completely unconnected to the the DCEU.
 
2017-11-08 12:29:51 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: I liked this better the first time I saw it, when it was called The Monster Squad.


Wolfman's got nards.
 
2017-11-08 12:33:45 PM  

NeoCortex42: RyansPrivates: Coming soon: "DC plans reboot with upcoming Flashpoint movie"

I honestly expect that is why they chose to do the Flash film as "Flashpoint": so they can start over with better versions of the characters.

It doesn't look good for Justice League based on the fact that review embargo is lifting so close to release.  Well reviewed movies don't typically do that.

DC has already given up on the shared universe.  They announced that their upcoming films may or may not adhere to a particular shared story.  It's going to be a bit looser than even the current X-Men movies are.  Sure, there might be some shared characters or backstory, or maybe not.  They'll just wing it on a movie-by-movie basis.  I think Shazaam is completely unconnected to the the DCEU.


Just saw a report that Black Adam may indeed debut with SS2.  It is still connected.  I understand that it may be more loosely connected, but the "Trinity" + Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg are all tied pretty closely with a shared universe.  They may each have their own films, but there is no doubt they are all connected at least on the character level.
 
2017-11-08 12:35:49 PM  
Penny Dreadful did a decent enough job giving me that universe pulled together, we'll at least till the end of the series.
 
2017-11-08 12:37:15 PM  

puckrock2000: listernine: Goddamit, its Dr Frankenstein, and Frakenstein's Monster.

Victor Frankenstein created the Monster, so the Monster is, in effect, Frankenstein's son. As the son of Frankenstein, he would also have the surname Frankenstein. Q.E.D,

/just call them Victor and Adam, like in the book


It's pronounced Frakensteen!
 
2017-11-08 12:46:29 PM  
The original Bela Legosi, Boris Karloff and Lon Cheney Jr squad was cinema's first true shared multiverse. And Abbot and Costello, to boot.
 
2017-11-08 12:59:24 PM  

RyansPrivates: NeoCortex42: RyansPrivates: Coming soon: "DC plans reboot with upcoming Flashpoint movie"

I honestly expect that is why they chose to do the Flash film as "Flashpoint": so they can start over with better versions of the characters.

It doesn't look good for Justice League based on the fact that review embargo is lifting so close to release.  Well reviewed movies don't typically do that.

DC has already given up on the shared universe.  They announced that their upcoming films may or may not adhere to a particular shared story.  It's going to be a bit looser than even the current X-Men movies are.  Sure, there might be some shared characters or backstory, or maybe not.  They'll just wing it on a movie-by-movie basis.  I think Shazaam is completely unconnected to the the DCEU.

Just saw a report that Black Adam may indeed debut with SS2.  It is still connected.  I understand that it may be more loosely connected, but the "Trinity" + Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg are all tied pretty closely with a shared universe.  They may each have their own films, but there is no doubt they are all connected at least on the character level.


I just looked it up. It's the upcoming Joker film that will be entirely seperate. Shazam is still unclear how much it will be connected. Looks like it's being distributed by New Line instead of WB and will be quite different in tone. So no idea what that means for DCEU connections.
 
2017-11-08 12:59:47 PM  
I want a live-action remake of this:

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2017-11-08 01:04:22 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too

And possibly Pacific Rim. Maybe...


But it's not gonna be Guillermo del Totoro directing it :(.
 
2017-11-08 01:07:34 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: [Youtube u0rh4RcGXo8 image 480x270][Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/u0rh4RcG​Xo8]
WayForward looks like they tried to salvage it


That looks fun. I liked both Contra and Castlevania back in the day; and I also enjoyed both Shovel Knight and Cuphead.
 
2017-11-08 01:19:33 PM  
The Mummy bombed hard and it deserved to if only for the overly forced references to the shared universe movies to come. These weren't Easter eggs like in the Marvel films where you might miss them if you blink or don't look in the background of a certain shot. These were Easter PLANETS shoved right in your face center screen for several minutes while the characters talk about them. Row after row of werewolf and vampire skulls and a Black Lagoon Creature hand in a jar while Russel Crowe pretends the whole concept of his character isn't a ripoff of Hellboy's BPRD. Ironically the only reference to the Brendan Fraiser Mummy is a blink and you'll miss it shot of the original Book of the Dead that falls of the shelf when Cruise and Crowe fight.


What was Universal thinking when they decided that the main character of the Mummy movie needed to be Tom Cruise playing a character that has no connection to anything else in the "Dark Universe" ? Is he really supposed to show up again in later films instead of the actual Mummy ?
 
2017-11-08 01:40:54 PM  

This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too


What about Godzuki?  They can't forget Godzuki!!
 
2017-11-08 01:41:17 PM  
There's only three real monsters, kid: Dracula, Blacula and Son of Kong.
 
2017-11-08 01:41:39 PM  
I'd like to see the concept work on the film before Tom Cruise got involved. Because whenever he gets involved in a movie it becomes entirely about him but there was plenty about the movie that could have been interesting were it not for Tom Cruise.
 
2017-11-08 01:51:46 PM  
I'm disappointed for a lack of a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake.
 
2017-11-08 02:02:51 PM  

Nurglitch: I'm disappointed for a lack of a Creature from the Black Lagoon remake.


A Memory of Water?
 
2017-11-08 02:08:04 PM  

bloobeary: If they really wanted to do this right, they shouldn't make them into bog-standard modern horror movies. They should embrace the classic status of these characters and make the films celebrations of that classic status instead. Evoke the era of the black and white monster film, the way Young Frankenstein did.


I was just reading about Young Frankestien recently, and they noted that after Mel Brooks and Gene were viewing the first round of dailies, everyone was extremely dissapointed, as it wasn't working.   They really had to drill it into the Director of Photography's head that it was of utmost importance to homage that genre of classic films, and go for that 'look'.   Once, the DP understood, and switched gears, it all started to work.
 
2017-11-08 02:10:21 PM  

This text is now purple: ThatBillmanGuy: This text is now purple: LarryDan43: Godzilla, King Kong and Mothra?

That one is still on.

\Ghidrah and Rodan, too

And possibly Pacific Rim. Maybe...

That one was never really serious.

And frankly, I don't think you'd ever get Toho to go for it. They'll crossover up (see Kong), but not down (see the absence of a Gamera crossover).

There's a distant possibility you'll see an Ultraman crossover eventually, and not just via expy.


I just liked the idea of Charlie Day's character, with all the Kaiju tattoos, pulling off his shirt to reveal a giant Godzilla tat on his chest, and a King Kong one on his back.
 
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