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2017-11-08 09:43:18 AM  
And why do elephants come in quarts?
 
2017-11-08 10:18:04 AM  
Interesting article.
 
2017-11-08 10:18:34 AM  
 
2017-11-08 10:21:40 AM  
Milk is highly regulated.

Soda is toxic.
 
2017-11-08 10:24:27 AM  
And what's the deal with hot dog buns? Why do hot dogs come in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight? Am I right?
 
2017-11-08 10:27:40 AM  
You know what they call a quarter pounder in Paris?
 
2017-11-08 10:28:20 AM  
Lemme guess: Milk was traditionally produced and sold locally, while soda is an international product.
 
2017-11-08 10:28:33 AM  
Ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
 
2017-11-08 10:30:09 AM  
Milk is wholesome and American. Soda is a communist plot to destroy the country. Duh.
 
2017-11-08 10:32:40 AM  
The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact, but as a result soda somehow got stuck with it.  The more you know.
 
2017-11-08 10:33:26 AM  
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2017-11-08 10:35:28 AM  
Well, ya know, we are converting to the metric system any time now.
 
2017-11-08 10:42:52 AM  

snocone: Well, ya know, we are converting to the metric system any time now.


We already did, if you notice how many things are listed in imperial odd numbers that make sense when you convert to metric
 
2017-11-08 10:43:03 AM  

Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact, but as a result soda somehow got stuck with it.  The more you know.


Says the only country too stupid to figure it out.

/23 1/16 ounces to the dram just makes so much more sense than powers of 10
 
2017-11-08 10:45:02 AM  
And what's the deal with airline food?
 
2017-11-08 10:45:55 AM  

Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,


Why is it bullshiat?
 
2017-11-08 10:47:23 AM  
So basically we can blame the obesity crisis on the metric system?
 
2017-11-08 10:47:59 AM  
We does Fark come in both Total and Liters?
 
2017-11-08 10:50:01 AM  
TFA makes sense. The US went on a little metric kick while Carter was president, and that's about the time the idea of a large plastic bottle of soda started to take off. So those were sized in liters. Before that, soda was sold in cases of 24 7- or 8-ounce glass bottles, and some sodas were sold in 12-ounce cans.

Europe gets their sodas in 330ml cans.
 
2017-11-08 10:50:09 AM  
'I arst you civil enough, didn't I?' said the old man, straightening his shoulders pugnaciously. 'You telling me you ain't got a pint mug in the 'ole bleeding boozer?'

'And what in hell's name is a pint?' said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter.

'Ark at 'im! Calls 'isself a barman and don't know what a pint is! Why, a pint's the 'alf of a quart, and there's four quarts to the gallon. 'Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.'

'Never heard of 'em,' said the barman shortly. 'Litre and half litre -- that's all we serve. There's the glasses on the shelf in front of you.

'I likes a pint,' persisted the old man. 'You could 'a drawed me off a pint easy enough. We didn't 'ave these bleeding litres when I was a young man.'

'When you were a young man we were all living in the treetops,' said the barman, with a glance at the other customers.
...
"E could 'a drawed me off a pint,' grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. 'A 'alf litre ain't enough. It don't satisfy. And a 'ole litre's too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.'
 
2017-11-08 10:54:41 AM  

jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?


Cuz lerning is hard
 
2017-11-08 11:04:25 AM  

Lorenzo Von Matterhorn: 'I arst you civil enough, didn't I?' said the old man, straightening his shoulders pugnaciously. 'You telling me you ain't got a pint mug in the 'ole bleeding boozer?'

'And what in hell's name is a pint?' said the barman, leaning forward with the tips of his fingers on the counter.

'Ark at 'im! Calls 'isself a barman and don't know what a pint is! Why, a pint's the 'alf of a quart, and there's four quarts to the gallon. 'Ave to teach you the A, B, C next.'

'Never heard of 'em,' said the barman shortly. 'Litre and half litre -- that's all we serve. There's the glasses on the shelf in front of you.

'I likes a pint,' persisted the old man. 'You could 'a drawed me off a pint easy enough. We didn't 'ave these bleeding litres when I was a young man.'

'When you were a young man we were all living in the treetops,' said the barman, with a glance at the other customers.
...
"E could 'a drawed me off a pint,' grumbled the old man as he settled down behind a glass. 'A 'alf litre ain't enough. It don't satisfy. And a 'ole litre's too much. It starts my bladder running. Let alone the price.'


How long did it take before somebody pointed out to Orwell that a half liter is bigger than a pint?
 
2017-11-08 11:05:36 AM  
I buy milk in liters (quarts) because a gallon won't keep long enough
 
2017-11-08 11:07:29 AM  

snocone: Well, ya know, we are converting to the metric system any time now.


The hospitals did. I was in for a few months in 2011 and they had until the end of that year to completely transition.
It was a biatch being delirious on dilaudid and being told your temperature in Celcius. I remembered on of the math conversions but... honest to god, I was so sick and blasted that I couldn't divide 25 by 4 lol I started to cry for about 2 seconds and then fell out laughing my ass off about it.
 
2017-11-08 11:09:21 AM  
Any computer literate American is already very comfortable with metric prefixes, it should be trivial for people less than 65 years of age to grasp.
 
2017-11-08 11:13:56 AM  
For some f**ked-up reason we spell it 'litres' in Commonwealth countries - along with 'metres' & 'centres'.
I haven't a clue why this is and would graciously side with the yank-spelling of these words if asked.
 
2017-11-08 11:14:20 AM  
 
2017-11-08 11:15:25 AM  

jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?


I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10
 
2017-11-08 11:17:28 AM  

pdieten: How long did it take before somebody pointed out to Orwell that a half liter is bigger than a pint?


He was talking about British pints (568.2 mL), not American pints (473.2 mL).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari​s​on_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_me​asurement_systems
 
2017-11-08 11:19:06 AM  

Egoy3k: Any computer literate American is already very comfortable with metric prefixes, it should be trivial for people less than 65 years of age to grasp.


There are a lot of medications they are measured by mcg or grams at home. It's really not hard.
 
2017-11-08 11:19:50 AM  

Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10


The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess. And besides, having the base of your units match the base of the number system you're using has tons of benefits. But go on telling yourself and others that it's a better system while the rest of the world moved on ages ago.
 
2017-11-08 11:21:38 AM  

DubyaHater: And what's the deal with hot dog buns? Why do hot dogs come in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight? Am I right?


Buns come in packages of 8 because that makes sense from the perspective of the baking process and how they get sliced.  You get 2 extra hot dogs in the package so you can share with your dog.  Why the fark do you hate dogs so much?  Give the little flea bag some love and he'll be your BFF until the end of time.  If you don't have a dog, you can chop up the extras and eat them with macaroni and cheese while you contemplate your sad, empty, and lonely life.
 
2017-11-08 11:28:25 AM  

King Something: pdieten: How long did it take before somebody pointed out to Orwell that a half liter is bigger than a pint?

He was talking about British pints (568.2 mL), not American pints (473.2 mL).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparis​on_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_me​asurement_systems


Holy damn. I learned something new today. Thanks
 
2017-11-08 11:31:26 AM  

Russ1642: Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10

The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess. And besides, having the base of your units match the base of the number system you're using has tons of benefits. But go on telling yourself and others that it's a better system while the rest of the world moved on ages ago.


Okay, pal.
A.) Length is the only thing you're going to deal with a lot everyday. That's base 12. Oh so divideable.  If I need to measure liquids or such I have a handy little kitchen gadget for that. We are talking everyday use.
B.) Most people are able to navigate both and are taught to in grade school. One for tight calculation one for everyday use.
C.) You are a godless communist and I feel sorry for your mother.
 
2017-11-08 11:48:20 AM  

DubyaHater: And what's the deal with hot dog buns? Why do hot dogs come in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight? Am I right?


Buns are sold by count, sausages are sold by weight.

Russ1642: The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess.


Agreed.  If the entire system was base 12, I could see the argument for keeping it.  But the hodgepodge of bases makes it a mess.
 
2017-11-08 12:03:01 PM  

Subtonic: Russ1642: Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10

The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess. And besides, having the base of your units match the base of the number system you're using has tons of benefits. But go on telling yourself and others that it's a better system while the rest of the world moved on ages ago.

Okay, pal.
A.) Length is the only thing you're going to deal with a lot everyday. That's base 12. Oh so divideable.  If I need to measure liquids or such I have a handy little kitchen gadget for that. We are talking everyday use.
B.) Most people are able to navigate both and are taught to in grade school. One for tight calculation one for everyday use.
C.) You are a godless communist and I feel sorry for your mother.


But lengths AREN'T BASE 12. There are 3 feet in a yard. 5280 feet in a mile, 1760 yards in a mile. And the fractional crap is a pain in the ass. Everything has a different fractional denominator which sucks hard. Which is bigger 2-39/64 or 2-5/8? Takes a hell of a lot more thought as is more prone to errors than using metric. How about sorting a list. 2-19/32, 2-5/8, 2-11/16, 2-1/2,  Sure, fantastic system you've got there.
 
2017-11-08 12:11:02 PM  

Dinjiin: DubyaHater: And what's the deal with hot dog buns? Why do hot dogs come in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight? Am I right?

Buns are sold by count, sausages are sold by weight.

Russ1642: The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess.

Agreed.  If the entire system was base 12, I could see the argument for keeping it.  But the hodgepodge of bases makes it a mess.


If the entire system is base 12, that's still a crap way compared to base 10. Why would you not have everything in base 10? Our entire numbering system is based on groups of 10, it coverts to decimal with no effort, you don't have to check if your hogshead is equal to a reverse fathom on Wednesdays or Fridays, etc.

Subtonic:

Okay, pal.
A.) Length is the only thing you're going to deal with a lot everyday. That's base 12. Oh so divideable.  If I need to measure liquids or such I have a handy little kitchen gadget for that. We are talking everyday use.


It's as easy to measure things in metric (actually easier), and we have kitchen measurements in metric countries too. Do you think metric countries don't have kitchen measurements? How did you come by this bizarre theory?

B.) Most people are able to navigate both and are taught to in grade school. One for tight calculation one for everyday use.

If you're American, sure. Which is for tight calculation and vice versa? Because metric works equally well for both.
And, outside the US, when you try to deal with anyone else it's an annoying time wasting exercise that drains resources and introduces needless mistakes. Whenever we get drawings from the States there's a collective *sigh* in the office because you have to change the measurements to metric, and then fix everything to work with metric building supplies here, etc. Unless you're dealing exclusively with Liberia or Myanmar I guess.

C.) You are a godless communist and I feel sorry for your mother.

Oh come on now! There was very little totalitarianism at home. And by that I mean there was a certain amount.
 
2017-11-08 12:16:52 PM  

Russ1642: Subtonic: Russ1642: Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10

The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess. And besides, having the base of your units match the base of the number system you're using has tons of benefits. But go on telling yourself and others that it's a better system while the rest of the world moved on ages ago.

Okay, pal.
A.) Length is the only thing you're going to deal with a lot everyday. That's base 12. Oh so divideable.  If I need to measure liquids or such I have a handy little kitchen gadget for that. We are talking everyday use.
B.) Most people are able to navigate both and are taught to in grade school. One for tight calculation one for everyday use.
C.) You are a godless communist and I feel sorry for your mother.

But lengths AREN'T BASE 12. There are 3 feet in a yard. 5280 feet in a mile, 1760 yards in a mile. And the fractional crap is a pain in the ass. Everything has a different fractional denominator which sucks hard. Which is bigger 2-39/64 or 2-5/8? Takes a hell of a lot more thought as is more prone to errors than using metric. How about sorting a list. 2-19/32, 2-5/8, 2-11/16, 2-1/2,  Sure, fantastic system you've got there.


When you get a fractional measurements in the US, is it standard to convert everything to decimal first and work from there (and convert it back to a fraction when you're done), or do you actually work it out in fractions? If in fractions do you somehow use a calculator or do you have to sit down with a pen and paper?
 
2017-11-08 12:17:41 PM  

King Something: pdieten: How long did it take before somebody pointed out to Orwell that a half liter is bigger than a pint?

He was talking about British pints (568.2 mL), not American pints (473.2 mL).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparis​on_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_me​asurement_systems


This is an important thing when somebody talks about how good mileage European cars get.  If the source for a stated MPG is British, they are measuring in Imperial Gallons which are 20% larger than US gallons, so the car's mileage is stated to be 20% better than it really is.
 
2017-11-08 12:17:46 PM  
TL, DR; Soda companies got on board with the change to the metric system on that one Tuesday in September of 1977, while the dairies didn't.

Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10


Too bad the Imperial system of measurement isn't actually Base Anything.

8 ounces in a cup, 2 cups in a pint, 2 pints in a quart, 4 quarts in a gallon, for a total of 128 ounces in a gallon. How is that base 12?

12 inches in a foot. Now we're getting somewhere. 3 feet in a yard. Oops! OK, how about miles. 5,280 feet in a mile. WTF? Where does that fit into anything? 1760 yards? Not any better. Where is your base 12? Because the foot is based on 12 inches? That's not how it works, buddy.

Here, this may help:
Schoolhouse Rock- Little Twelve Toes
Youtube _uJsoZheTR4
 
2017-11-08 12:23:30 PM  
Because Pepsi needed a marketing idea according to TFA
 
2017-11-08 12:23:54 PM  

Ostman: Russ1642: Subtonic: Russ1642: Subtonic: jaytkay: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact,

Why is it bullshiat?

I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this. It's BS because it's as arbitrary as imperial, yet unrelated to human proportions.  Especially Celsius. It's stupid for common everyday use.

Base 12 > Base 10

The US system isn't base 12. It's base 12, base 16 in some cases, base 3, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc. for lengths. It's a goddamn mess. And besides, having the base of your units match the base of the number system you're using has tons of benefits. But go on telling yourself and others that it's a better system while the rest of the world moved on ages ago.

Okay, pal.
A.) Length is the only thing you're going to deal with a lot everyday. That's base 12. Oh so divideable.  If I need to measure liquids or such I have a handy little kitchen gadget for that. We are talking everyday use.
B.) Most people are able to navigate both and are taught to in grade school. One for tight calculation one for everyday use.
C.) You are a godless communist and I feel sorry for your mother.

But lengths AREN'T BASE 12. There are 3 feet in a yard. 5280 feet in a mile, 1760 yards in a mile. And the fractional crap is a pain in the ass. Everything has a different fractional denominator which sucks hard. Which is bigger 2-39/64 or 2-5/8? Takes a hell of a lot more thought as is more prone to errors than using metric. How about sorting a list. 2-19/32, 2-5/8, 2-11/16, 2-1/2,  Sure, fantastic system you've got there.

When you get a fractional measurements in the US, is it standard to convert everything to decimal first and work from there (and convert it back to a fraction when you're done), or do you actually work it out in fractions? If in fractions do you somehow use a calculator or do you have to sit down with a pen and paper?


Depends on the person, I think. I kind of bounce back and forth, depending on what pops into my head first.

Also depends on the need. If I'm looking for a wrench or socket, I just start shaving off fractions as I get closer to the size I need. No different than going down a few mm in size. If 3/8 isn't working for me, I know that's 6/16, so maybe 7/16 will work.
 
2017-11-08 12:25:25 PM  
Welp, looks like those creeps are the Metric Advocate Council have finally infiltrated Fark.
 
2017-11-08 12:30:46 PM  

Subtonic: I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this


I see. Metric is bullshiat because you think elitist liberals are always looking over your shoulder judging you.

LOL child.
 
2017-11-08 12:32:23 PM  
Your 140 yards to the middle of the green

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You're 140 meters . . .

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2017-11-08 12:33:48 PM  

Bondith: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact, but as a result soda somehow got stuck with it.  The more you know.

Says the only country too stupid to figure it out.


We're not too stupid to figure it out, we just don't see why we should have to. As a whole, Americans are totally fine with our units of measurements, and there's no pressing reason to change what we're doing just to appease a bunch of foreigners.
 
2017-11-08 12:33:52 PM  

Ostman: When you get a fractional measurements in the US, is it standard to convert everything to decimal first and work from there (and convert it back to a fraction when you're done), or do you actually work it out in fractions? If in fractions do you somehow use a calculator or do you have to sit down with a pen and paper?


Americans only use whole numbers. In Kansas, Pi is legally defined as 3
 
2017-11-08 12:35:01 PM  

Ostman: If the entire system is base 12, that's still a crap way compared to base 10. Why would you not have everything in base 10?


Base 12 does a better job of avoiding fractions and repeating decimals when small divisors are used.
 
2017-11-08 12:37:09 PM  

jaytkay: Subtonic: I knew there would be a bunch of smug smarmy sneering types asking this

I see. Metric is bullshiat because you think elitist liberals are always looking over your shoulder judging you.

LOL child.


That's elitist "COASTAL" liberals.
 
2017-11-08 12:45:39 PM  

shut_it_down: Bondith: Subtonic: The metric system is bullshiat. It only took one attempt in the 70s to reveal this statement of fact, but as a result soda somehow got stuck with it.  The more you know.

Says the only country too stupid to figure it out.

We're not too stupid to figure it out, we just don't see why we should have to. As a whole, Americans are totally fine with our units of measurements, and there's no pressing reason to change what we're doing just to appease a bunch of foreigners.


Wut

It's a global economy, other countries are done with producing things in a few different measurements. Last I looked there were less than 5 countries not using metric, I think it's down to two now.
 
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