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2017-11-07 04:23:13 PM  
You've seen how it works, media. Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Or are you going to keep rolling over for whatever bullshiat Trump's latest mouthpiece spreads on you?
 
2017-11-07 05:06:47 PM  
Apparently it IS about ethics in review journalism. This time.
 
2017-11-07 05:21:32 PM  
I'm going to join in this boycott by pledging to complain about plot holes in The Last Jedi.
 
2017-11-07 05:57:19 PM  

FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?


Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.
 
2017-11-07 06:00:45 PM  
GOOD.
 
2017-11-07 06:01:40 PM  

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.


the problem with that is, the Trump Administration want as little coverage as possible.  Having the entire press corps vacate the premises means not having to answer those pesky questions.
 
2017-11-07 06:26:02 PM  

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.


You lost respect only then? They were accessories to his election.

'"What little coverage there is, is mostly gossip, spin, and speculation, or basically what's spoon-fed to them by party elites and insiders and big shots accepting all their biases as the appropriate way to view the world. It's impossible to exaggerate just how nutritionless this so-called journalism is.' In other words, viewers of most stations get lots of Donald Trump news, but almost nothing about city council elections or even state representatives."

CNN spent several minutes focusing on Trump's empty podium as the Sandra Bland story started coming to light.

They all wanted bread and circuses, and were perfectly fine forcing everybody else to suffer the consequences.
 
2017-11-07 06:27:15 PM  

xanadian: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

the problem with that is, the Trump Administration want as little coverage as possible.  Having the entire press corps vacate the premises means not having to answer those pesky questions.


Hearst, c*nt that he was, would have at least hit back at the white house for that a little harder than the modern folks have done.
 
2017-11-07 06:46:48 PM  

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.


No, the entire press corp should have shut up and only let CNN ask questions from that point on just to prove point: the press have the absolute right and duty to question our governments function.
 
2017-11-07 06:50:11 PM  
The Press Corp have been access sluts since Roosevelt.

The first one.
 
2017-11-07 06:50:13 PM  

xanadian: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

the problem with that is, the Trump Administration want as little coverage as possible.  Having the entire press corps vacate the premises means not having to answer those pesky questions.


And you know the right-wing press would stay. So from then on they'd only get fawning softball questions from Fox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Washington Times, NY Post, etc.
 
2017-11-07 06:59:32 PM  

thatguyoverthere70: I'm going to join in this boycott by pledging to complain about plot holes in The Last Jedi.


When Kylo Ren slashes the porg with his light saber, he hits the same rib twice and yet two different sounds are produced. Is this some kind of maaagic money grabber? I sure hope someone got fired for that one.
 
2017-11-07 07:08:44 PM  
"As long as Disney is blocking the critics from the Los Angeles Times from press screenings, I can't in good conscience attend similar showings or write reviews in advance," she wrote.

But until now, you were totally comfortable with writing reviews before actually seeing the movies.
 
2017-11-07 07:09:37 PM  

Fano: thatguyoverthere70: I'm going to join in this boycott by pledging to complain about plot holes in The Last Jedi.

When Kylo Ren slashes the porg with his light saber, he hits the same rib twice and yet two different sounds are produced. Is this some kind of maaagic money grabber? I sure hope someone got fired for that one.


A wizard did it.
 
2017-11-07 07:11:57 PM  

Fano: When Kylo Ren slashes the porg with his light saber, he hits the same rib twice and yet two different sounds are produced. Is this some kind of maaagic money grabber? I sure hope someone got fired for that one.


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2017-11-07 07:12:11 PM  

Fano: thatguyoverthere70: I'm going to join in this boycott by pledging to complain about plot holes in The Last Jedi.

When Kylo Ren slashes the porg with his light saber, he hits the same rib twice and yet two different sounds are produced. Is this some kind of maaagic money grabber? I sure hope someone got fired for that one.


Now this banthafarking nerfherder knows what I'm talking about!

I could even say that shiat in Klingon and Fano' would still be pickin' up what I'm layin' down!

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2017-11-07 07:25:29 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "As long as Disney is blocking the critics from the Los Angeles Times from press screenings, I can't in good conscience attend similar showings or write reviews in advance," she wrote.

But until now, you were totally comfortable with writing reviews before actually seeing the movies.


I believe the implication is that press reviewers get early screenings of the movies so that they can have their reviews come out before the movie is released to the general audience.

If one is banned from the screenings then one can't write a review until opening day.
 
2017-11-07 07:26:22 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: "As long as Disney is blocking the critics from the Los Angeles Times from press screenings, I can't in good conscience attend similar showings or write reviews in advance," she wrote.

But until now, you were totally comfortable with writing reviews before actually seeing the movies.


"In advance" has always meant "in advance of public release".  They were all boycotting the early "reviewer" screenings - none of these papers was going to stop seeing the movies and reviewing them, they just weren't going to publish reviews prior-to or on the day-of public release (which has the potential to hurt Disney, since buzz going into opening weekend is SO important to whether a film succeeds or not these days).
 
2017-11-07 07:34:56 PM  
fark Disneyland

They rape me via electric bills, they rape me via how they strong arm my city.

fark Disneyland

I wish Anaheim would tell them to fark off, what are they going to do dig up the park and move it?  Good.
 
2017-11-07 07:46:58 PM  
Disney is a huge company. They are way too powerful and have their fingers in a lot of pies. I'm waiting to see who buys who first: Apple buys Disney or Disney buys Apple.
 
2017-11-07 07:48:47 PM  

SamFlagg: ArcadianRefugee: "As long as Disney is blocking the critics from the Los Angeles Times from press screenings, I can't in good conscience attend similar showings or write reviews in advance," she wrote.

But until now, you were totally comfortable with writing reviews before actually seeing the movies.

I believe the implication is that press reviewers get early screenings of the movies so that they can have their reviews come out before the movie is released to the general audience.

If one is banned from the screenings then one can't write a review until opening day.


Yeah, I kinda figured that, but my first thought went to those written-in-advance obituary retrospectives.

/RIP Abe Vigoda
 
2017-11-07 07:52:02 PM  

FormlessOne: You've seen how it works, media. Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Or are you going to keep rolling over for whatever bullshiat Trump's latest mouthpiece spreads on you?


Mouse Empire can't tweet movies.
 
2017-11-07 08:06:15 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Disney is a huge company. They are way too powerful and have their fingers in a lot of pies. I'm waiting to see who buys who first: Apple buys Disney or Disney buys Apple.


My boss gave me his Apple Watch because it had some pixels farked up in the corner and he was upgrading. I was poking around the settings and there's a setting about Mickey and Minnie Mouse.

img.fark.netView Full Size


Not sure if it means anything, but thought it was interesting.
 
2017-11-07 08:14:07 PM  

Herbie555: ArcadianRefugee: "As long as Disney is blocking the critics from the Los Angeles Times from press screenings, I can't in good conscience attend similar showings or write reviews in advance," she wrote.

But until now, you were totally comfortable with writing reviews before actually seeing the movies.

"In advance" has always meant "in advance of public release".  They were all boycotting the early "reviewer" screenings - none of these papers was going to stop seeing the movies and reviewing them, they just weren't going to publish reviews prior-to or on the day-of public release (which has the potential to hurt Disney, since buzz going into opening weekend is SO important to whether a film succeeds or not these days).


I cannot recall the last time I read a critics review of a film before seeing it. Heard them biatch about plenty in their holier than thou headlines and still enjoyed plenty of movies. Don't really care what they do honestly. I go back to what I said earlier,the press looking into our governments functions is way more important than a movie review.
 
2017-11-07 08:14:10 PM  

fusillade762: xanadian: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

the problem with that is, the Trump Administration want as little coverage as possible.  Having the entire press corps vacate the premises means not having to answer those pesky questions.

And you know the right-wing press would stay. So from then on they'd only get fawning softball questions from Fox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Washington Times, NY Post, etc.


And that despite the fact that when the Obama Administration attacked Fox News for their biased coverage, the entire White House Press Pool stood up for Fox.
 
2017-11-07 08:21:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Nadie_AZ: Disney is a huge company. They are way too powerful and have their fingers in a lot of pies. I'm waiting to see who buys who first: Apple buys Disney or Disney buys Apple.

My boss gave me his Apple Watch because it had some pixels farked up in the corner and he was upgrading. I was poking around the settings and there's a setting about Mickey and Minnie Mouse.

[img.fark.net image 425x331]

Not sure if it means anything, but thought it was interesting.


An Apple Watch is literally a Mickey Mouse Watch!
 
2017-11-07 10:09:30 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

You lost respect only then? They were accessories to his election.

'"What little coverage there is, is mostly gossip, spin, and speculation, or basically what's spoon-fed to them by party elites and insiders and big shots accepting all their biases as the appropriate way to view the world. It's impossible to exaggerate just how nutritionless this so-called journalism is.' In other words, viewers of most stations get lots of Donald Trump news, but almost nothing about city council elections or even state representatives."

CNN spent several minutes focusing on Trump's empty podium as the Sandra Bland story started coming to light.

They all wanted bread and circuses, and were perfectly fine forcing everybody else to suffer the consequences.


I fail to see how putting on "All Donald Trump, All The Time" wasn't prejudicing the electorate against Donald Trump.  Any nation that can listen to that man speak and decide that they want to vote for him for president deserves the next four years they are going to get.

I'm not sure how TV coverage is supposed to handle local events, but I admit it should be non-zero.  I will admit that state political coverage (and delegate voting paterns) really need to be known by voters.  I'm guessing this is critical Koch/ALEC matters on moving power away from national levels to state (because state houses are easier to buy, and city/local politics can't be as easily gerrymandered).
 
2017-11-07 10:11:44 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Bith Set Me Up: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

You lost respect only then? They were accessories to his election.

'"What little coverage there is, is mostly gossip, spin, and speculation, or basically what's spoon-fed to them by party elites and insiders and big shots accepting all their biases as the appropriate way to view the world. It's impossible to exaggerate just how nutritionless this so-called journalism is.' In other words, viewers of most stations get lots of Donald Trump news, but almost nothing about city council elections or even state representatives."

CNN spent several minutes focusing on Trump's empty podium as the Sandra Bland story started coming to light.

They all wanted bread and circuses, and were perfectly fine forcing everybody else to suffer the consequences.

I fail to see how putting on "All Donald Trump, All The Time" wasn't prejudicing the electorate against Donald Trump.  Any nation that can listen to that man speak and decide that they want to vote for him for president deserves the next four years they are going to get.

I'm not sure how TV coverage is supposed to handle local events, but I admit it should be non-zero.  I will admit that state political coverage (and delegate voting paterns) really need to be known by voters.  I'm guessing this is critical Koch/ALEC matters on moving power away from national levels to state (because state houses are easier to buy, and city/local politics can't be as easily gerrymandered).


No Such Thing As Bad Publicity
 
2017-11-07 10:29:48 PM  
If they want to set an example, refuse to review, advance or national release. The only reason Disney backed down is bad PR, if such a thing exists.

/ don't back down just because they got caught
 
2017-11-07 10:37:55 PM  
jayphat:
I cannot recall the last time I read a critics review of a film before seeing it. Heard them biatch about plenty in their holier than thou headlines and still enjoyed plenty of movies. Don't really care what they do honestly. I go back to what I said earlier,the press looking into our governments functions is way more important than a movie review.

Some people read reviews. If reviewing movies lets them sell enough papers that they can afford to do some honest-to-god investigative journalism, I'm all for it.  The implication that one person seeing a screener of a film and writing a review is somehow preventing a different employee of the same paper from doing serious reporting is, quite frankly, beyond stupid.
 
wee
2017-11-07 10:42:38 PM  
Can we dig up the corpse of Sonny Bono and retroactively burn it at the stake?
 
2017-11-07 11:11:23 PM  
Was it Mencken who said you should never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel? It was a pretty stupid move on Disney's part and hopefully they'll back down quickly -- if nothing else, it's spread a story about an Anaheim parking garage all over the country, which would never have happened if they'd simply said nothing.
 
2017-11-07 11:19:44 PM  
Anyone blame Trump yet?
 
2017-11-08 12:05:50 AM  

xanadian: CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.

the problem with that is, the Trump Administration want as little coverage as possible.  Having the entire press corps vacate the premises means not having to answer those pesky questions.


You know Trump and his mouthpiece are going to provide nothing but B.S., so why provide the forum. There are other ways to do story.
 
2017-11-08 12:08:07 AM  

RenownedCurator: Was it Mencken who said you should never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel? It was a pretty stupid move on Disney's part and hopefully they'll back down quickly -- if nothing else, it's spread a story about an Anaheim parking garage all over the country, which would never have happened if they'd simply said nothing.


That's actually why we should be alarmed about media consolidation. Because it helps corporations like Disney become the ones who buy ink by the barrel.
 
2017-11-08 12:57:55 AM  
Now comes the part where we can't trust the editorial response from these outlets because they engaged in a pissing contest, regardless of winning or losing.  Unless you think the LA Times is above that and if you do, you haven't been reading it for the last few decades like I have.
 
2017-11-08 08:12:36 AM  

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: Now, about the White House press room... perhaps it's time to use that kind of leverage to actually get your questions answered and make power speak truth?

Yup. The day Trump called CNN "fake news" and refused to allow them a question, the entire press corps should have walked out. I lost a lot of respect for them that day.


While I agree with you on the premise, CNN aired a fake story about hookers urinating on him in Russia then stood by it after 4chan users admitted to making it up

I would have thrown them out of the building
 
2017-11-08 08:41:15 AM  
Stop inviting administration sycophants on TV, they'll start to care then.
 
2017-11-08 10:54:14 AM  

One Bad Apple: Apparently it IS about ethics in review journalism. This time.


It was actually local government journalism. Disney really got pissed off when the Times pointed out how Disneyland got some of the most ridiculously nice tax breaks in history, even though the park has never had more visitors, the ticket prices have never been higher, and the expansions were going to force them to open a new hotel anyway, tax free or otherwise.
 
2017-11-08 11:06:02 AM  

Trocadero: One Bad Apple: Apparently it IS about ethics in review journalism. This time.

It was actually local government journalism. Disney really got pissed off when the Times pointed out how Disneyland got some of the most ridiculously nice tax breaks in history, even though the park has never had more visitors, the ticket prices have never been higher, and the expansions were going to force them to open a new hotel anyway, tax free or otherwise.


I just read up on it.  Pretty slimy of Disney.  I think disney is now too big, and I hope to god they don't get approval to buy 21st century Fox.  Not that I wouldn't want to see Wolverine, Cap, and Spidey in the same movie, but because too much concentration of power is a bad thing, no matter how "benevolent" they appear to be.  And with this Disney doesn't appear benevolent.  At all.
 
2017-11-08 01:31:01 PM  
In a related vein, I'm kind of disappointed the white house press corps is still putting up with the bullshiat they're getting from Trump's pack of liars.  I'd prefer that droopy-eyed idiot have an empty room to talk to, and the press corps just do its own statements on what is happening.
 
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