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2017-11-06 12:16:05 AM  
My Honda was built in Knoxville, TN you mango- faced shiatgibbon!
 
2017-11-06 12:27:16 AM  
I fully expect Trump will some type of racial impersonation or language "joke" before the trip is over
 
2017-11-06 12:36:42 AM  

whither_apophis: I fully expect Trump will some type of racial impersonation or language "joke" before the trip is over


He already has, with his suggestion that they're a nation of samurai warriors.

And his suggestion that countries which go to war against the US tend to get their backsides handed to them on a silver platter. Because, you know, Japan has never been to war against the US (except for that one time).
 
2017-11-06 12:40:21 AM  
I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think. But you'd have to pull my eye teeth to make me buy a Big-3 Automaker car. I don't care if it was built in Tennessee by a bunch of rednecks or in Germany by a bunch of big guys named Hans.

We used to be a Nissan/Datsun family until we got one made in Tennessee. Kee-ryst! I hope everybody who was on the assembly line that day has died horribly. At least Toyota has an ethos -- ZERO DEFECTS. My mom has a RAV4 that I have dibs on if she ever wants to get rid of it, which is unfortunately not likely.

But as things are, the Japanese have done more for working-class Americans than Detroit has in the last 30 years.
 
2017-11-06 01:06:55 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think. But you'd have to pull my eye teeth to make me buy a Big-3 Automaker car. I don't care if it was built in Tennessee by a bunch of rednecks or in Germany by a bunch of big guys named Hans.

We used to be a Nissan/Datsun family until we got one made in Tennessee. Kee-ryst! I hope everybody who was on the assembly line that day has died horribly. At least Toyota has an ethos -- ZERO DEFECTS. My mom has a RAV4 that I have dibs on if she ever wants to get rid of it, which is unfortunately not likely.

But as things are, the Japanese have done more for working-class Americans than Detroit has in the last 30 years.


Toyotas are made of indestructium. A hundred billion years after the sun expands into a red giant and consumes the earth, space aliens will find a bunch of intact Hiluxes orbiting around the sun.
 
2017-11-06 01:11:46 AM  
He's such a gormless tool.
I I wonder if the Japanese feel sorry for him , or feel sorry for the u.s. For having him as president
 
2017-11-06 01:32:17 AM  

sithon: I wonder if the Japanese feel sorry for him , or feel sorry for the u.s. For having him as president


I'm hoping they feel sorry for us. That would be preferable to them taking the idiot seriously and getting offended by his vocalized vomit.
 
2017-11-06 02:26:15 AM  

bloobeary: sithon: I wonder if the Japanese feel sorry for him , or feel sorry for the u.s. For having him as president

I'm hoping they feel sorry for us. That would be preferable to them taking the idiot seriously and getting offended by his vocalized vomit.


They will smile and nod politely. For now. But mark my words. When the next trade agreement or somesuch between the two countries starts up, this will be remembered. And not fondly.
 
2017-11-06 02:39:31 AM  
Japan says that they build their cars in the US as soon as Trump moves all his clothing manufacturing to the US.
 
2017-11-06 03:09:51 AM  
From the linked article

Japan's big 3 automakers built more cars in U.S. than Detroit 3 last year

Not that I expect him to know that.
 
2017-11-06 03:45:46 AM  
Why would Japan increase its US production, when Trump is threatening to create trade barriers between the US and its NAFTA partners that will limit the potential to export those cars into two huge markets and import parts for building the cars as well. Sure, he may be taking out of his ass but corporations like certainty. That's why you don't elect a blowhard to run a country.
 
2017-11-06 03:49:46 AM  

harleyquinnical: My Honda was built in Knoxville, TN you mango- faced shiatgibbon!


East Liberty, Ohio for mine.
 
2017-11-06 04:06:38 AM  
Isn't Camry the vehicle with the highest US content?  I'd say Trumpy needs to tour Georgetown but I like Kentuckians.
 
2017-11-06 04:24:19 AM  
As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.
 
2017-11-06 04:30:59 AM  

kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.


But that's the brilliance of his comment: he asks them to do something that they're already doing and then he takes credit without having to lift a finger.

Very similar to what he's done with the economy.
 
2017-11-06 05:11:27 AM  

kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.


Unfortunately that's what most trucks are for. People get some money and want to say look at my big wang. "I'm a big manly man because I own this enormous waste of resources"
As they use 50 dollars in gas to drive 20 miles to their job at the DMV.
 
2017-11-06 05:40:59 AM  

kyuzokai: I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.


Killing a Toyota Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC
Youtube xnWKz7Cthkk
 
2017-11-06 05:44:12 AM  
President Crazy Talk never ceases to amaze.
 
2017-11-06 05:59:31 AM  
President Trump urges another sovereign nation to forgo trade and profits because he's President Trump and he knows better than everyone else.
 
2017-11-06 06:40:32 AM  

fusillade762: From the linked article

Japan's big 3 automakers built more cars in U.S. than Detroit 3 last year

Not that I expect him to know that.


Woot, we now have cheaper labor than Japan!
 
2017-11-06 06:59:25 AM  
Please don't, Japan.
I only buy old Toyotas with at least 100k miles on them.  Every one I've bought has been reliable but the fit and finish on one built in Japan is far better than the ones I've bought which were built in the US.

Case in point: 2006 Matrix XR AWD bought with 130k built in US, never gave me a minute's trouble, but interior parts were coming off & the thing rattled.  Overall it drove like an old beat up car.  Traded for a 2005 4Runner 4x4, 140k miles built in Japan.  Dinged up inside & out, clearly more "used" than the Matrix, but nothing coming off, no rattles, everything works as it should aside from a few convenience lights, drives like it's brand new.
 
2017-11-06 06:59:34 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think.


Georgetown, Kentucky.

It's a relatively small town just north of Lexington.
 
2017-11-06 07:13:13 AM  

harleyquinnical: My Honda was built in Knoxville, TN you mango- faced shiatgibbon!


No doubt SHS will say that Trump means they should stop making them in the US, shipping them to Japan and then back to the US.  Trump meant they can just sell them in the US, and save a lot of money.  Because he knows so much about business.  And bankruptcy.  The best bankruptcies.  He also knows a guy in Russia he wants them to meet.
 
2017-11-06 07:26:51 AM  
My wife's Toyota Sienna was made in Indiana, and my Subaru was made in South Carolina.

According to my friends in Australia, a lot of the Japanese cars they get are actually made in the US because of the more favorable tariff rate...

Oh I see you all have the salient points already covered. Nevermind.
 
2017-11-06 07:28:17 AM  
How do they resist telling him to shut his flapping gob?

That's samurai discipline, right there.
 
2017-11-06 07:40:45 AM  

margarito bandito: Isn't Camry the vehicle with the highest US content?  I'd say Trumpy needs to tour Georgetown but I like Kentuckians.


I believe the Model S past the Camry earlier this year.
 
2017-11-06 07:40:50 AM  

King Something: ecmoRandomNumbers: I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think. But you'd have to pull my eye teeth to make me buy a Big-3 Automaker car. I don't care if it was built in Tennessee by a bunch of rednecks or in Germany by a bunch of big guys named Hans.

We used to be a Nissan/Datsun family until we got one made in Tennessee. Kee-ryst! I hope everybody who was on the assembly line that day has died horribly. At least Toyota has an ethos -- ZERO DEFECTS. My mom has a RAV4 that I have dibs on if she ever wants to get rid of it, which is unfortunately not likely.

But as things are, the Japanese have done more for working-class Americans than Detroit has in the last 30 years.

Toyotas are made of indestructium. A hundred billion years after the sun expands into a red giant and consumes the earth, space aliens will find a bunch of intact Hiluxes orbiting around the sun.


In London, literally every other car is a Prius. They are phenomenally popular. Toyota must be coining it in.
 
2017-11-06 07:41:15 AM  

kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.


Toyota pickups are known for quality:

i.imgur.comView Full Size
 
2017-11-06 07:44:00 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]


Alright, how'd you break it?
 
2017-11-06 07:44:49 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]


One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.
 
2017-11-06 07:50:16 AM  

whither_apophis: I fully expect Trump will some type of racial impersonation or language "joke" before the trip is over


img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-11-06 07:58:37 AM  
Don't they already do this?  At least they are assembled here with parts made in Japan, US, and other countries.
 
2017-11-06 08:04:53 AM  

kyuzokai: itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.


I'm amazed you've never heard that Toyota has paid literally billions of dollars in settlements for millions of trucks with rusty frames going back to 1995 or so.

Toyota settled frame rot issues with 1.5 million trucks for $3.4 billion just two years ago...
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/t​o​yota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-​frames/

"This is far from the first time Toyota has dealt with troublesome rust on its pickup trucks. The company fixed many frames and even expanded its rust perforation warranty on 1995-2000 Toyota Tacomas. That warranty covered over 800,000 trucks. Toyota also had to issue a recall for 2001-2003 Tundras for frame rust. That latter recall also led to a payout of $25 million to Toyota from Dana, the company that supplied the frames. Two years ago, Tacomas from 2005-2011 were also recalled for leaf springs that could rust and break."
 
2017-11-06 08:25:43 AM  

kyuzokai: itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.


wha? toyota had frame problems with the tacoma. its public fact.  have you seriously never seen a stack of frames sitting behind a Toyota dealership? It's a pretty common sight.

in fact, while Toyota quality tends to be quite good, when they fark something up, they fark it up bad, deny anything is wrong, and all you loser fanboys consistently deny that those problems ever existed and insist that nothing can ever go wrong because its a toyota like its some law of physics or something.

ive owned pretty much nothing but toyotas, but ive also had premature engine failure (oil burning i4) and transmission failure ( RAV4 ).  and anytime I bring that up people jump on me and insist it must be my fault despite these being well-known and, eventually, acknowledged problems.

I buy Toyota because they are usually the most reliable. I can sometimes go 10 years without spending a dollar in repairs. But I fully expect that when I do have problem Toyotas going to flip me the bird and say tough s***, because getting them to admit that their products are not perfect is basically impossible.
 
2017-11-06 08:28:05 AM  

King Something: ecmoRandomNumbers: I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think. But you'd have to pull my eye teeth to make me buy a Big-3 Automaker car. I don't care if it was built in Tennessee by a bunch of rednecks or in Germany by a bunch of big guys named Hans.

We used to be a Nissan/Datsun family until we got one made in Tennessee. Kee-ryst! I hope everybody who was on the assembly line that day has died horribly. At least Toyota has an ethos -- ZERO DEFECTS. My mom has a RAV4 that I have dibs on if she ever wants to get rid of it, which is unfortunately not likely.

But as things are, the Japanese have done more for working-class Americans than Detroit has in the last 30 years.

Toyotas are made of indestructium. A hundred billion years after the sun expands into a red giant and consumes the earth, space aliens will find a bunch of intact Hiluxes orbiting around the sun.


This.  I drove a 1980 Toyota Starlet for 13 years.  Abused and neglected it; I think I spent a total of $600 on maintenance in all that time, mostly oil and 1 oil filter.  It was still going strong when a drunk driver totaled it.
 
2017-11-06 08:28:20 AM  

itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.

I'm amazed you've never heard that Toyota has paid literally billions of dollars in settlements for millions of trucks with rusty frames going back to 1995 or so.

Toyota settled frame rot issues with 1.5 million trucks for $3.4 billion just two years ago...
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/to​yota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-​frames/

"This is far from the first time Toyota has dealt with troublesome rust on its pickup trucks. The company fixed many frames and even expanded its rust perforation warranty on 1995-2000 Toyota Tacomas. That warranty covered over 800,000 trucks. Toyota also had to issue a recall for 2001-2003 Tundras for frame rust. That latter recall also led to a payout of $25 million to Toyota from Dana, the company that supplied the frames. Two years ago, Tacomas from 2005-2011 were also recalled for leaf springs that could rust and break."


From roughly the same period:

This generation F-150 received an overall "Poor" rating by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) in the frontal offset test, and was ranked the 2nd Worst Performing Vehicle behind the 1997-2005 GM U-platform minivans.
Ford has found that the cruise control system in many of their trucks could catch fire, because the switch system could corrode over time, overheat and ignite. Ignition was later blamed on spillage from the adjacent master cylinder. On March 5, 2007 Ford recalled 155,000 2003 full-size pickups and full-size SUVs for the defective part. During the previous two years Ford had recalled 5.8 million vehicles in because of the defective cruise control systems in trucks, SUVs and vans. That recall, one of the largest in history, covered vehicles from the 1994-2002 model years.


I could post more  about the millions of recalls on F-150s, but before we get into a tit for tat stats war, let's just agree that any stat you find can be countered with another, and vice versa.

Look at used prices on trucks with over 200,000 miles, and the evidence is clear as to who makes the more reliable truck. The Ford Ranger does kick ass with this criteria, but I'd argue much of that is scarcity, despite them being tough little trucks.

/love the ecoboost engine, though
 
2017-11-06 08:47:40 AM  

falkone32: I buy Toyota because they are usually the most reliable. I can sometimes go 10 years without spending a dollar in repairs. But I fully expect that when I do have problem Toyotas going to flip me the bird and say tough s***, because getting them to admit that their products are not perfect is basically impossible.


When I was a service writer, I had much better warranty experience out of Toyota and Honda than Ford or GM. Most of the time GM would take it apart, say they didn't find anything wrong (could not duplicate) and ask us to come pick it up without reassembling whatever they worked on.  Often our techs could determine they hadn't even tested it fully (sending vehicle back with no new miles on it for a suspension issue, etc).   I blame part of that on them just having too many vehicles in their warranty shop to deal with. Toyota, on the other hand, was far more thorough and willing to retest until they found the issue (or an explanation of working as intended). They also never sent us back a vehicle disassembled.

As for the rust issue, I didn't get into trucks until I moved to Colorado, which is famously (and surprisingly to me) rust free, so I honestly wasn't aware of the issue. Colorado customers freaked about the tiniest surface rust, as if they'd never seen it before.  We often had a hard time selling east coast cars because of it.

But thanks for agreeing that Toyotas are generally the most reliable. That was my original point.
 
2017-11-06 08:47:52 AM  

kyuzokai: itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.


So you don't know about the Tacoma frame recall?  My dad's truck was in the shop for 6 months, they gave him a loaner truck from Enterprise the entire time and the "bill" from them would have been $15k for all the repairs they did.

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/t​o​yota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-​frames/
 
2017-11-06 08:48:30 AM  

TNel: kyuzokai: itcamefromschenectady: kyuzokai: As is ready pointed out, Japan uses more US labor than the 'Murrican brands.

CSB: I used to sell cars in South Carolina at a popular no-haggle dealership. Towards the end, I got a bit "fark it" about the whole thing.  Rednecks would come in looking for a 'Murrican truck. I'd walk them over to a Honda Ridgeline or Toyota Tacoma. Invariably I'd get "Ain't you listening? I don't want no Japanese crap." I'd then explain that more labor (and thus dollars) went to Americans with the Honda and Toyota, but if they wanted a truck built in Mexico, I'd be happy to show them a Chevy, Ford, or Dodge and they could buy some "Mexican crap".

I didn't sell many trucks this way. But oddly enough, when I moved to Colorado, it a actually converted a few people. The Tacoma may look overpriced, but it's an indestructible beast. When your truck is for utility and not penis replacement, you tend to go with quality.

Toyota pickups are known for quality:

[i.imgur.com image 850x479]

One picture VS. years of personal experience and consumer data. Man, you sure showed me.

So you don't know about the Tacoma frame recall?  My dad's truck was in the shop for 6 months, they gave him a loaner truck from Enterprise the entire time and the "bill" from them would have been $15k for all the repairs they did.

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/to​yota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-​frames/


oops should have read further as this was covered by others.
 
2017-11-06 08:52:09 AM  
Truly one of history's great business minds.
 
2017-11-06 08:53:42 AM  

kyuzokai: This generation F-150 received an overall "Poor" rating by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) in the frontal offset test, and was ranked the 2nd Worst Performing Vehicle behind the 1997-2005 GM U-platform minivans.


It's incredible how bad that era F-150 was in a crash.  They were death traps.
img.fark.netView Full Size

This is not what you want to read in a crash report:  Major collapse of the occupant compartment left little survival space for the driver.
 
2017-11-06 08:59:43 AM  
FTA: We made the greatest military equipment in the world. There's nothing close.

Overpriced items not needed in near the quantity we buy in? 'Murica! Take my money!
Quality items at affordable prices used by every US citizen? Would you at least pay us to put them together for you?
 
2017-11-06 09:14:38 AM  
09 tacoma, hayward CA.  137K and basically zero problems.  Original clutch, despite being a work truck in the SF bay area.  had a 2000 gmc that needed new brakes every year and a half, on top of a new radiator, heater core and head gaskets.
 
2017-11-06 09:22:59 AM  

Jake Havechek: President Trump urges another sovereign nation to forgo trade and profits because he's President Trump and he knows better than everyone else.


He's in a Time Loop where it's 1986 ALL THE TIME!

lucky bastisch
 
2017-11-06 09:30:37 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I love my Camry, which was built somewhere in Kentucky, I think. But you'd have to pull my eye teeth to make me buy a Big-3 Automaker car. I don't care if it was built in Tennessee by a bunch of rednecks or in Germany by a bunch of big guys named Hans.

We used to be a Nissan/Datsun family until we got one made in Tennessee. Kee-ryst! I hope everybody who was on the assembly line that day has died horribly. At least Toyota has an ethos -- ZERO DEFECTS. My mom has a RAV4 that I have dibs on if she ever wants to get rid of it, which is unfortunately not likely.

But as things are, the Japanese have done more for working-class Americans than Detroit has in the last 30 years.


I have a 2005 Corolla and it has given me zero issues to the point where I don't really feel like I need a whole new car so I just upgraded the stock 6-CD changer to a Kenwood aftermarket headhnit with CarPlay and Android Auto and added a backup camera (lots of kids in my neighborhood, so it pays to have better rear visibility).
 
2017-11-06 09:32:51 AM  

timmmmah!: Please don't, Japan.
I only buy old Toyotas with at least 100k miles on them.  Every one I've bought has been reliable but the fit and finish on one built in Japan is far better than the ones I've bought which were built in the US.

Case in point: 2006 Matrix XR AWD bought with 130k built in US, never gave me a minute's trouble, but interior parts were coming off & the thing rattled.  Overall it drove like an old beat up car.  Traded for a 2005 4Runner 4x4, 140k miles built in Japan.  Dinged up inside & out, clearly more "used" than the Matrix, but nothing coming off, no rattles, everything works as it should aside from a few convenience lights, drives like it's brand new.


The Matrix was a joint venture between Toyota and GM. The Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe were the same car except for exterior sheet metal and were manufactured in California. I'd be willing to bet that GM helped Toyota with their research into cars that fall apart.
 
2017-11-06 09:33:11 AM  
Last year, the top five cars for American content were "Japanese", two Toyotas and three Hondas. This year, the criteria was changed and Behold!, most of the top twenty are "American".
 
2017-11-06 09:35:02 AM  
Once again, the jobs didn't go to "foreign countries."  They went to robots.  We still make a farkton of vehicles here, we just don't need 1000 human welders per shift anymore.  We need 1 human to fix the 1000 robot welders.
 
2017-11-06 09:49:34 AM  

harleyquinnical: My Honda was built in Knoxville, TN you mango- faced shiatgibbon!


That would be pretty damn amazing, considering Honda doesn't even have an assembly plant in Tennessee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​Honda_assembly_plants
 
2017-11-06 10:01:14 AM  
One thing Toyota has done is try to hide the oil sludge issue.  Some Google-Fu is all one needs to see what I mean.  That being said, Toyota's worst vehicles are superior to a lot if what Detroit has produced since the 70s.
 
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