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2017-11-05 03:49:49 PM  
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2017-11-05 03:53:59 PM  
If you've failed, lost, are ugly, can't pass a test, or voted for a losing candidate, it's not your perfect, handsome, rock hard ass self that sucks, it's "them."
 
2017-11-05 04:09:13 PM  
Its common knowledge that the RFID chips in the tap water are used by the Illuminati to beam subliminal messages right to our crotch making the masses produce more offspring that will consume and obey. COMMON SHEEPLE WAKE UP!
 
2017-11-05 04:12:44 PM  

ChimpNipples: Its common knowledge that the RFID chips in the tap water are used by the Illuminati to beam subliminal messages right to our crotch making the masses produce more offspring that will consume and obey. COMMON SHEEPLE WAKE UP!


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2017-11-05 04:27:16 PM  
am special and unique.
 
2017-11-05 04:32:05 PM  

MattytheMouse: I am special and unique.


*pats Matty's head*

Yes you are, dear.
 
2017-11-05 04:40:03 PM  
Seems like there's such a huge list of shiat people believe that has no evidence and I think social media is making us more aware of it but it's also joining more of the crazies together. There's the flat earth crap, god(s), anti-vax, cleanses/detoxing, moon landing, chemtrails...I imagine the full and complete list would be quite something to behold.
 
2017-11-05 05:30:15 PM  
conspiracy fables, this time involving Vice President Dick Cheney, Halliburton energy and the Blackwater protection company masterminding the Iraq war in order to seize the nation's oil.

Um... that's exactly why we invaded Iraq.
 
2017-11-05 05:42:44 PM  
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2017-11-05 05:46:23 PM  

MattytheMouse: I am special and unique.


Sure you are #956856
 
2017-11-05 05:52:25 PM  
...duh?

I picked up on this when I was in my early 20s.
 
kab
2017-11-05 05:53:08 PM  
No, that isn't why.
 
2017-11-05 05:53:41 PM  

fusillade762: conspiracy fables, this time involving Vice President Dick Cheney, Halliburton energy and the Blackwater protection company masterminding the Iraq war in order to seize the nation's oil.

Um... that's exactly why we invaded Iraq.


Oh no, you invaded cause some nitwit occupying a specific office he should never have qualified for had daddy issues. The siezing-the-oil bit was just a happy windfall for those merely involved.
 
2017-11-05 06:02:43 PM  
And might i say that there's a similar correlation with why a lot of people are christian. I get asked a lot by these people why i even get up in the morning (i fall somewhere between athiest and agnostic, hell if i know where), since to their sensibilities the concept of having evolved on this planet by pure chance, on a rock among trillions in the universe that coyld hold life etc etc (badically that we're not the sole reason for everything everywhere existing) would be a frightening and utterly depressing reality to live with. (also the "you reallybelieve we came from MONKES?" bit, where being reminded that they're animals, just like anyother fauna on the planet, is extremely insulting to them)

I specify christian because in this corner of the world you don't get much exposure to other religions, or at least to people practicing those religions who overshare to the max like christians do. So i would have no real idea about their beliefs so i leave them out of the above impression.
 
2017-11-05 06:12:51 PM  

ChimpNipples: Its common knowledge that the RFID chips in the tap water are used by the Illuminati to beam subliminal messages right to our crotch making the masses produce more offspring that will consume and obey. COMMON SHEEPLE WAKE UP!


But tap water RFID chips don't work without the extra fluoride. If you don't add in fluoride, the water turns the frogs gay because of the morgellons in the chemtrails.
 
2017-11-05 06:21:32 PM  
Sup docs, any news on the Kennedy files? Weird how his brother got it too.
 
2017-11-05 06:32:57 PM  
Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.
 
2017-11-05 06:33:14 PM  

Smoking GNU: fusillade762: conspiracy fables, this time involving Vice President Dick Cheney, Halliburton energy and the Blackwater protection company masterminding the Iraq war in order to seize the nation's oil.

Um... that's exactly why we invaded Iraq.

Oh no, you invaded cause some nitwit occupying a specific office he should never have qualified for had daddy issues. The siezing-the-oil bit was just a happy windfall for those merely involved.


Why the war in Iraq was fought for Big Oil
 
2017-11-05 06:49:58 PM  

eyeq360: ChimpNipples: Its common knowledge that the RFID chips in the tap water are used by the Illuminati to beam subliminal messages right to our crotch making the masses produce more offspring that will consume and obey. COMMON SHEEPLE WAKE UP!

But tap water RFID chips don't work without the extra fluoride. If you don't add in fluoride, the water turns the frogs gay because of the morgellons in the chemtrails.


This is why I only drink neat whiskey.
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2017-11-05 08:18:36 PM  
I'd say this extends to religious evangelism as well.
 
2017-11-05 08:26:24 PM  

Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.


I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.
 
kab
2017-11-05 08:35:24 PM  
docpeteyJ:
*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.

To claim this is to claim that absolutely nothing stays top secret, or out of the realm of public knowledge.
 
2017-11-05 08:51:50 PM  

kab: docpeteyJ:
*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.

To claim this is to claim that absolutely nothing stays top secret, or out of the realm of public knowledge.


There's a big difference between someone who works for one of the alphabet agencies protecting coded secret intel, and some doofus in the White House spilling the beans about some non-existent conspiracy.
 
2017-11-05 09:06:44 PM  

RJReves: [files.explosm.net image 585x1500]


My grade 12 world religions teacher told us that the last names of Jewish people in Portugal are the names of trees.
So... not such a crazy "conspiracy" now is it?
 
2017-11-05 09:24:30 PM  
It's kind of obvious that a person's beliefs are self serving. if you have no facts or evidence to support what you believe, and that thing you believe just happens to be what you want to be true, that's all the proof you need that it's bullshiat. It applies to anything, conspiracies, religion, politics, racism, you name it.

If you need to feel superior but have no other way to accomplish that(ie hard work is off the table), hey, belonging to a superior race suddenly looks good doesn't it? Or being a member of the true religion. Maybe you'd like to think that since you're a human being you are the most advanced life form in existence and that's why you believe humans have walked on the Moon since that would prove how advanced humans are.
 
2017-11-05 09:33:44 PM  
Why don't they just get tattoos?
 
2017-11-05 10:50:59 PM  
Most of your more popular conspiracy theories involve the government. I simply don't think they're intelligent enough, competent enough and organized enough to keep aliens hidden, kill JFK or perpetrate 9/11 when they can't pull off a blow job, a hotel robbery and whatever Trump will finally get nailed for.
 
2017-11-05 11:39:42 PM  

docpeteyJ: Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.

I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.


Then there's the third group of people. The group that blithely assumes that bad people wouldn't get together to plan shiat..you know.."conspire".

Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.
 
2017-11-05 11:41:49 PM  

Kirablue42: docpeteyJ: Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.

I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.

Then there's the third group of people. The group that blithely assumes that bad people wouldn't get together to plan shiat..you know.."conspire".

Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.


Which ones?

/Asking for a crazy friend
 
2017-11-05 11:50:31 PM  

docpeteyJ: Which ones?

/Asking for a crazy friend


russian meddling in the presidential election
 
2017-11-05 11:54:38 PM  

Barfmaker: Seems like there's such a huge list of shiat people believe that has no evidence and I think social media is making us more aware of it but it's also joining more of the crazies together. There's the flat earth crap, god(s), anti-vax, cleanses/detoxing, moon landing, chemtrails...I imagine the full and complete list would be quite something to behold.


It certainly is.
 
2017-11-06 12:08:33 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: docpeteyJ: Which ones?

/Asking for a crazy friend

russian meddling in the presidential election


I wasn't aware that was a theory.
 
2017-11-06 12:16:08 AM  

Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.


Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.
 
2017-11-06 12:36:03 AM  

docpeteyJ: Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.

I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.


An aide? The president himself would tweet about it in progress.

/Trump is really the ultimate proof against government conspiracy theories
//He would blab every secret just to make himself appear cool.
 
2017-11-06 12:47:21 AM  

karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.


Because conspiracies are always honest, upfront and uncovered within a year.


Gulf of tonkin
 
2017-11-06 12:50:04 AM  

docpeteyJ: Kirablue42: docpeteyJ: Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.

I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.

Then there's the third group of people. The group that blithely assumes that bad people wouldn't get together to plan shiat..you know.."conspire".

Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Which ones?

/Asking for a crazy friend


Here're a few demonstrable ones

6 insane conspiracies ( that actually happened)
 
2017-11-06 01:12:57 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: docpeteyJ: Kirablue42: docpeteyJ: Tyrosine: Well, most folks who believe in conspiracy theories are special, in a "I'm supposed to be taking Clozapine" kind of way.

I break up people who buy into conspiracy theories (especially after tragedies like 9/11 or the Vegas shooting) into two groups:

The majority are poorly educated with a low IQ that prevents them from actually using logic, like the idiot that went into that DC pizza place armed with a rifle and demanded that the employees take him to the basement where the child sex slaves were being kept...in a building with no basement. Or the Infowars nutjobs who stalk victims of mass shootings believing them to be part of a grand conspiracy by teh gubmit* to take yer gunz. They believe that the victims are actually still alive and that Crisis Actors are actually a thing. These people should be heavily medicated and possibly sterilized.

A much smaller minority are people who simply cannot accept that sometimes bad people do bad shiat, and strive for some greater meaning to the tragedy in order to cope.

*The government couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag. Consider just how many people it would have taken to pull of something like 9/11 and keep quiet about it. Damn, the President can't even take a nice comfortable shiat without one of his aides leaking the details to WaPo, fachrissakes.

Then there's the third group of people. The group that blithely assumes that bad people wouldn't get together to plan shiat..you know.."conspire".

Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Which ones?

/Asking for a crazy friend

Here're a few demonstrable ones

6 insane conspiracies ( that actually happened)


Ah yes. Those. But you knew what I was talking about: Oklahoma City. 9/11. Sandy Hook. Pizzagate. Vegas. Those sort of conspiracy theories, the kind with "Crisis Actors" and "false flags" and all sorts of twisted logic that leads people to harm the innocent victims of those tragedies. You know, the kind of crap put forth by Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich and all their despicable ilk.

That's what I meant, and I'm pretty sure you knew that.
 
2017-11-06 04:07:31 AM  

karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.


This is wrong. When the government tries to prove conspiracy in a court, it usually provides evidence to support its theory. Thus, a theory is simply an explanation with evidence. Theories can be strongly or weakly supported. Attaching the word "conspiracy" to the word theory doesn't change what a theory is.
 
2017-11-06 04:11:19 AM  
Also, if we're going to make sweeping generalizations about human behavior, fine. People are generally inclined to:

1. see patterns whether they exist or not
2. try to make sense of a chaotic world
3. see themselves as "special" for having some inside knowledge
4. conspire against their fellow human beings
5. lie to cover up their misdeeds
 
2017-11-06 04:12:02 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: Why don't they just get tattoos?


The ink is brain control microchips?

Duh.
 
2017-11-06 11:03:54 AM  
If you're smarter than the experts, you must be on Fark.
 
2017-11-06 02:09:38 PM  
This is called the Contrarian Escape. Basically, if you adopt a theory very few people hold, then you can position yourself as being one of the rare smart people. It takes a lot of pressure off you to actually learn, consider, and formulate a matured opinion.

Example:

Parenting is complex, hard, and stressful. Enormous pressure to be a good and competent parent, but holy hell there's a lot to it, and, actually, our species isn't designed for a two-parent model, much less one where one of the parents is gone most of the time, or where there's only one parent.

Now say you become an anti-vaxxer. Your position is that (A) most parents are pro-vaccine and (B) therefore bad parents. But not you. You're one of the rare GOOD parents who knows this important secret. You don't need to be good at any other aspect of parenting -- you might be, you might not be, but you don't need to be, because you've mastered this one super-important thing that the Sheep don't get.

It's like being a one-issue voter. No need to think about all the complex realities out there! Just vote according to this one binary issue. Done! So much easier.
 
2017-11-06 03:11:42 PM  
What a "unique" conspiracy theory might look like:
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2017-11-06 09:28:48 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.

Because conspiracies are always honest, upfront and uncovered within a year.


Gulf of tonkin


A great example of my point - an actual conspiracy supported by evidence.  Note that it's not a "theory".  Thanks.
 
2017-11-06 09:32:38 PM  

cryptozoophiliac: karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.

This is wrong. When the government tries to prove conspiracy in a court, it usually provides evidence to support its theory. Thus, a theory is simply an explanation with evidence. Theories can be strongly or weakly supported. Attaching the word "conspiracy" to the word theory doesn't change what a theory is.


You're letting semantics cloud the point.  Yes, the prosecutor has a theory - does he call it that?  Does he say, "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we're going to provide evidence that shows this conspiracy theory is true"?  Or does he just call it a conspiracy?  The point is that things like Sandy Hook and 9/11 will always just be "theories" (and that's using the term loosely) because there is nothing to actually back them up, and so they will perpetually remain "theories" and will never become actual conspiracies, because there was none.

Notice that nobody is calling the current Russian investigations a "conspiracy theory".  That's because it isn't one - it appears to be an actual conspiracy.  But Obama being born in Kenya?  Conspiracy theory, forever.
 
2017-11-07 01:07:03 AM  

karmachameleon: fark'emfeed'emfish: karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.

Because conspiracies are always honest, upfront and uncovered within a year.


Gulf of tonkin

A great example of my point - an actual conspiracy supported by evidence.  Note that it's not a "theory".  Thanks.


Note the date it became "not a theory"(2005) vs the date it was fabricated (1964). Thx.
 
2017-11-07 02:16:04 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: karmachameleon: fark'emfeed'emfish: karmachameleon: Kirablue42: Not all conspiracy theories are false ones.

Yes, they are.  Just like alternative medicine that works is simply called "medicine", conspiracy theories that are true are simply called "conspiracies".  If a conspiracy theorist actually had the evidence to prove that their suspicion of conspiracy was true, then that conspiracy would be revealed and we'd simply call it "conspiracy".  Current example: developing news about Russian corruption in our last presidential election.  That's not a conspiracy theory, it's an actual conspiracy - we know something happened there, and it's being investigated.  The evidence is practically raining from the sky.

But the theory that the moon landing was faked?  Or that Bigfoot exists?  Or that alien UFOs regularly visit the planet?  Or that 9/11 was a government setup?  Or that Sandy Hook was faked?  Not one bit of real evidence, in spite of sometimes decades of time with which to gather such evidence.  Those are conspiracy "theories", and none of them are true.  If they were, they would have been uncovered just the way the current actual conspiracies are being uncovered.

That's not to say nothing is kept hidden from us.  The actual conspiracies that aren't uncovered and that we aren't aware of don't have any overlap with conspiracy theories; you can't make up a story about something you don't know anything about.

Because conspiracies are always honest, upfront and uncovered within a year.


Gulf of tonkin

A great example of my point - an actual conspiracy supported by evidence.  Note that it's not a "theory".  Thanks.

Note the date it became "not a theory"(2005) vs the date it was fabricated (1964). Thx.


And?  What's your point?  You seem to have missed my point entirely.  This is like saying that Piltdown Man shows that evolution believers are rubes, and therefore evolution is a hoax.  As far as I know, the Gulf of Tonkin was an actual conspiracy and not a "conspiracy theory"; it was well supported by actual evidence, not just people's overactive imaginations.  There weren't desperate attempts to make patterns out of clouds; there were real suspicions that were credible.  Take the current investigation into Russian collusion with the White House - not a conspiracy theory, we are learning about new evidence all the time.  Compare to the "investigations" of Obama's heritage - conspiracy theory, there was no evidence to support the conjecture, and yet supporters clung to the notion anyway.

Tell us, what current conspiracy theories do you believe are supported by evidence such that they'll be regarded as real conspiracies some day?
 
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