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(Entertainment Weekly)   Harrison Ford: "Today's greatest threat is not climate change, not pollution, not flood or fire. It's that we've got people in charge of important shiat who don't believe in science"   ( ew.com) divider line
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2017-11-03 08:48:59 PM  
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2017-11-03 09:28:20 PM  

FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 250x250]


"Seconded"
 
2017-11-03 10:00:56 PM  
Yup, people are trying to mock our new Governor General for coming out against anti vax and such. She's a scientist and a former astronaut but I guess that somehow doesn't convince them.
 
2017-11-03 11:35:31 PM  
And the ones who do profess a faint belief in science don't know what the fark they're talking about otherwise.
 
2017-11-04 12:05:01 AM  
This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.
 
2017-11-04 12:05:20 AM  
I know there are people who don't believe in science. What I don't get is how they justify it, while being surrounded everywhere they look by evidence that science works very, very well.
 
2017-11-04 12:06:51 AM  

studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.


And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.
 
2017-11-04 12:17:40 AM  
403 ppm and climbing.
 
2017-11-04 12:21:14 AM  
Never tell me the odds.
 
2017-11-04 12:41:42 AM  
I know.
 
2017-11-04 01:11:33 AM  
They believe in science, when it supports growing their bank accounts.

And with the right-wing Christian cult of mammon, being rich is God showing his favor.  The really smelly part of that is that being rich is now the only requirement.  Lying, stealing, adultery, homosexuality, all fine as long as you continue to gain wealth.

\Praise be to Greed
 
2017-11-04 01:18:01 AM  
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2017-11-04 01:28:29 AM  
Harrison Ford, what a disgusting atheist. Ever since he and his little plane discovered that gravity wasn't a theory in the non-scientific sense.

Laugh it up, heathens!
 
2017-11-04 01:40:14 AM  
Sure, it's that and not the multiple lunatics holding nuclear weapons.
 
2017-11-04 01:40:58 AM  
I looked at the comments, Ray. . .
 
2017-11-04 01:47:53 AM  
He's right but why should we give a goddamn flying fark what he thinks anymore than Brian Cranston?
 
2017-11-04 01:48:44 AM  

studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.


Look, he's been around the galaxy and he knows there isn't some mystical force guiding his destiny, so that puts him ahead of 99% of our politicians.
 
2017-11-04 01:49:34 AM  

snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.


And came in that thing.

/He's braver than I thought.
 
2017-11-04 01:50:49 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I looked at the comments, Ray. . .


OMG that's the best part! Mostly people who have no background in science questioning he science credentials.

Hilarious!
 
2017-11-04 01:51:30 AM  

jst3p: He's right but why should we give a goddamn flying fark what he thinks anymore than Brian Cranston?


Dude has seen living proof that not only is the Abrahamic God real, he faces challenges from the Hindu pantheon. And he proved that he didn't kill his wife but has no trouble keeping rebellious robots from overwhelming us.
 
2017-11-04 01:52:15 AM  
If I were him I'd be worried about lasers. And don't get me started about light sabers.
 
2017-11-04 01:53:35 AM  

snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.

The first and most prevalent argument for how Han Solo would have "made the Kessel Run" in 12 parsecs is this: black holes and gravity-strung slingshot effects.
Thanks to the book Star Wars: The Essential Atlas, we know that the Kessel Run's collection of routes travels near a "cluster" of black holes - which is insane in and of itself, as any such cluster of black holes would be too strong even to edge around, much less use as a sort of intergalactic sling-shot.
Despite this, over at Wired, back in February of 2013, Kyle Hill explained how it was possible that Han and Chewie used these black holes to cut down on the space they'd have had to have traveled.
At the same time, it's suggested by Wired that Han and Chewie may then have traveled through time as well, making them far, far older than they seem.

 
2017-11-04 02:00:28 AM  

Fano: jst3p: He's right but why should we give a goddamn flying fark what he thinks anymore than Brian Cranston?

Dude has seen living proof that not only is the Abrahamic God real, he faces challenges from the Hindu pantheon. And he proved that he didn't kill his wife but has no trouble keeping rebellious robots from overwhelming us.


And as Commander-in-Chief, he confronted Russian despots and their lackeys.

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2017-11-04 02:03:43 AM  

This Face Left Blank: I looked at the comments, Ray. . .


It might speak ill of me but every single time some chucklefark posts something about the comments I have this unavoidable compulsion to go read them. Damn you people to hell!
 
2017-11-04 02:08:26 AM  

FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 250x250]


Nope. We'll be fine.
 
2017-11-04 02:17:13 AM  

jst3p: snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.

The first and most prevalent argument for how Han Solo would have "made the Kessel Run" in 12 parsecs is this: black holes and gravity-strung slingshot effects.
Thanks to the book Star Wars: The Essential Atlas, we know that the Kessel Run's collection of routes travels near a "cluster" of black holes - which is insane in and of itself, as any such cluster of black holes would be too strong even to edge around, much less use as a sort of intergalactic sling-shot.
Despite this, over at Wired, back in February of 2013, Kyle Hill explained how it was possible that Han and Chewie used these black holes to cut down on the space they'd have had to have traveled.
At the same time, it's suggested by Wired that Han and Chewie may then have traveled through time as well, making them far, far older than they seem.


Occam's razor explanation: George Lucas didn't know what the fark he was talking about when he wrote that line and nerds have been trying to make sense of it ever since.
 
2017-11-04 03:54:10 AM  
Never look at comments posted from Disqus users and expect sanity or evidence of critical thought. Disqus is just 4chan with usernames.
 
2017-11-04 04:05:02 AM  

strangveyn: Never look at comments posted from Disqus users and expect sanity or evidence of critical thought. Disqus is just 4chan with usernames.


No, 4chan is old-school forum shiatposting (like good old Fark). Disqus is just Reddit and Facebook having a baby that feeds on nested comments and attentionwhore points.
 
2017-11-04 04:17:25 AM  
Well to be fair he doesn't believe in any hooky religions,
 
2017-11-04 04:23:20 AM  

FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 250x250]


Nah,  today's greatest threat is that we listen to celebrities and athletes and take they're opinions seriously
 
2017-11-04 05:37:11 AM  

ZMugg: jst3p: snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.

The first and most prevalent argument for how Han Solo would have "made the Kessel Run" in 12 parsecs is this: black holes and gravity-strung slingshot effects.
Thanks to the book Star Wars: The Essential Atlas, we know that the Kessel Run's collection of routes travels near a "cluster" of black holes - which is insane in and of itself, as any such cluster of black holes would be too strong even to edge around, much less use as a sort of intergalactic sling-shot.
Despite this, over at Wired, back in February of 2013, Kyle Hill explained how it was possible that Han and Chewie used these black holes to cut down on the space they'd have had to have traveled.
At the same time, it's suggested by Wired that Han and Chewie may then have traveled through time as well, making them far, far older than they seem.

Occam's razor explanation: George Lucas didn't know what the fark he was talking about when he wrote that line and nerds have been trying to make sense of it ever since.


Works just fine if you think Solo is trying to figure out how big of suckers they are. They don't correct him, so they clearly know jack shiat.
 
2017-11-04 05:48:01 AM  

snowjack: I know there are people who don't believe in science. What I don't get is how they justify it, while being surrounded everywhere they look by evidence that science works very, very well.


I've worked with people like that. It is funny/frustrating listening to them go on about the evils of science and then get on their mobile devices to tell the world.
The best was with the LHC and how it was going to destroy the planet.
 
2017-11-04 05:59:03 AM  
I like Mr. Ford but he's not really promoting science here, just liberal faith and doctrine.   If he really believed in science, he would (a) carefully define what a "healthy natural world" actually means, and (b) ask for a test of the hypothesis that a such a world is actually is required for human survival.
 
2017-11-04 07:10:15 AM  

bonobo73: I like Mr. Ford but he's not really promoting science here, just liberal faith and doctrine.   If he really believed in science, he would (a) carefully define what a "healthy natural world" actually means, and (b) ask for a test of the hypothesis that a such a world is actually is required for human survival.


Yeah, but science is about reality - which just keeps on turning out to have that darned old liberal bias.
When the right's disavowal of all things intellectual and scientific has had it's full effect on our civilization, I guess we'll know.
If any of us are left alive to know, that is.
I'm not sure I want to run this experiment in real time.
 
2017-11-04 07:10:59 AM  

bonobo73: I like Mr. Ford but he's not really promoting science here, just liberal faith and doctrine.   If he really believed in science, he would (a) carefully define what a "healthy natural world" actually means, and (b) ask for a test of the hypothesis that a such a world is actually is required for human survival.


Humans don't need good conditions in order to survive.   We're like cockroaches.  We can live anywhere, on anything.
 
2017-11-04 07:15:04 AM  

studebaker hoch: bonobo73: I like Mr. Ford but he's not really promoting science here, just liberal faith and doctrine.   If he really believed in science, he would (a) carefully define what a "healthy natural world" actually means, and (b) ask for a test of the hypothesis that a such a world is actually is required for human survival.

Humans don't need good conditions in order to survive.   We're like cockroaches.  We can live anywhere, on anything.


Maybe. We haven't been around for more than a nanosecond, as a species, and may not be around much longer. ITG talk won't keep our dirty, reckless species alive if reality says no.
At any rate, I don't wish to live as the primate version of a cockroach - do I look like a Trump voter?
 
2017-11-04 07:21:31 AM  

happydude45: FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 250x250]

Nah,  today's greatest threat is that we listen to celebrities and athletes and take they're opinions seriously


There it is!

Based on that comment I have to assume you voted for the idiot in the White House now. Can you say CELEBRITY? He's a goddamn reality show host. And you made him the farking President.

He's scum and I hope his plane crashes and only kills him and his family.
 
2017-11-04 07:55:41 AM  

bonobo73: I like Mr. Ford but he's not really promoting science here, just liberal faith and doctrine.   If he really believed in science, he would (a) carefully define what a "healthy natural world" actually means, and (b) ask for a test of the hypothesis that a such a world is actually is required for human survival.


Or alternatively, you could listen to the thousands of scientists who have made studying such things their life's work.  If everyone had to repeat every experiment for themselves to verify results, rather than accepting proven facts as truth, we'd never get anywhere.  We'd have millions of people re-proving the existence of gravity or re-proving the boiling and freezing points of water.  At some point you have to say "OK, this is established, now let's use this as a basis for further study into something new."

Demanding that everyone personally test every proven hypothesis is a deliberate attempt to waste people's time and distract from the established issues.
 
2017-11-04 07:57:23 AM  

Neeek: ZMugg: jst3p: snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.

The first and most prevalent argument for how Han Solo would have "made the Kessel Run" in 12 parsecs is this: black holes and gravity-strung slingshot effects.
Thanks to the book Star Wars: The Essential Atlas, we know that the Kessel Run's collection of routes travels near a "cluster" of black holes - which is insane in and of itself, as any such cluster of black holes would be too strong even to edge around, much less use as a sort of intergalactic sling-shot.
Despite this, over at Wired, back in February of 2013, Kyle Hill explained how it was possible that Han and Chewie used these black holes to cut down on the space they'd have had to have traveled.
At the same time, it's suggested by Wired that Han and Chewie may then have traveled through time as well, making them far, far older than they seem.

Occam's razor explanation: George Lucas didn't know what the fark he was talking about when he wrote that line and nerds have been trying to make sense of it ever since.

Works just fine if you think Solo is trying to figure out how big of suckers they are. They don't correct him, so they clearly know jack shiat.


If you watch Obi-Wan's reaction after he says that I think he sees right thru Solo.
 
2017-11-04 08:00:08 AM  

happydude45: FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 250x250]

Nah,  today's greatest threat is that we listen to celebrities and athletes and take they're opinions seriously


They take they are opinions seriously?  Huh?

I don't speak conservative.  Can someone translate?

(oh, and FYI, the fact that he's a celebrity doesn't diminish from the fact that his statement is correct)
 
2017-11-04 08:03:41 AM  

happydude45: Nah,  today's greatest threat is that we listen to celebrities and athletes and take they're opinions seriously


If you didn't want us to do that then your bunch probably shouldn't have nominated an empty-suit celebrity who unconvincingly played a fake businessman on TV for a living to run for president.

We're kind of stuck with know-nothing celebrity opinions at this point.
 
2017-11-04 08:12:57 AM  
As kids, we used to make fun of the religious nut jobs who persecuted Galileo and Copernicus.

Then Conservatives came...
 
2017-11-04 08:43:51 AM  

Neeek: ZMugg: jst3p: snowjack: studebaker hoch: This from a guy who thinks he can fly faster than light, with the help of his dog.

And who thinks a parsec is a measure of time.

The first and most prevalent argument for how Han Solo would have "made the Kessel Run" in 12 parsecs is this: black holes and gravity-strung slingshot effects.
Thanks to the book Star Wars: The Essential Atlas, we know that the Kessel Run's collection of routes travels near a "cluster" of black holes - which is insane in and of itself, as any such cluster of black holes would be too strong even to edge around, much less use as a sort of intergalactic sling-shot.
Despite this, over at Wired, back in February of 2013, Kyle Hill explained how it was possible that Han and Chewie used these black holes to cut down on the space they'd have had to have traveled.
At the same time, it's suggested by Wired that Han and Chewie may then have traveled through time as well, making them far, far older than they seem.

Occam's razor explanation: George Lucas didn't know what the fark he was talking about when he wrote that line and nerds have been trying to make sense of it ever since.

Works just fine if you think Solo is trying to figure out how big of suckers they are. They don't correct him, so they clearly know jack shiat.


I prefer the "Han's trying to snow the yokels" version, even if it was really just "Lucas didn't know what he was talking about."
 
2017-11-04 08:46:37 AM  
A large problem part of the problem is that we've slipped so far, even the language regarding this problem is farked up.

One can't "believe" in science any more than one can "believe" in gravity. Science is not a faith one holds, it is a logical construct for interrogating the universe in a logical and self-correcting fashion. That's it.

Sure, one can argue with results of the scientific process, and in that arena, 24 hour news and the efforts to provide "two sides" to every argument are not helping. Rolling your eyes at the latest "eggs are good/bad for you" study to appear in a marginal journal is one thing, but ignoring the corroborated findings of essentially every trained expert in a field of study is simply blind hubris.

It constantly amazes me how people fail to even try to account for the wide gulf in background, training, and in many cases raw ability, that exists between experts (in intellectual arenas) and themselves. I think part of the problem is that intellectual expertise requires a good deal of understanding to even begin to recognize.

I'd like to think the average person watching a top violinist or pianist perform, or a pitcher consistently putting 100 mph fastballs exactly where he wants them, recognizes at least to some degree how outmatched they are by the expertise on display.

When that top geneticist publishes new findings on evolution or that top atmospheric scientist publishes new findings regarding climate change? Yeah--same gap in expertise.
 
2017-11-04 09:23:51 AM  

ZMugg: Occam's razor explanation: George Lucas didn't know what the fark he was talking about when he wrote that line and nerds have been trying to make sense of it ever since.


And they talk about politicians not being able to separate reality from story books!
 
2017-11-04 09:24:52 AM  
Science is a method of investigation not a belief system.

There I said it.
 
2017-11-04 09:48:27 AM  
he belongs....in a museum.
 
2017-11-04 10:32:28 AM  

jst3p: He's right but why should we give a goddamn flying fark what he thinks anymore than Brian Cranston?


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2017-11-04 10:39:30 AM  
All in Favour?
Motion carried!
 
2017-11-04 10:47:41 AM  

olrasputin: It constantly amazes me how people fail to even try to account for the wide gulf in background, training, and in many cases raw ability, that exists between experts (in intellectual arenas) and themselves. I think part of the problem is that intellectual expertise requires a good deal of understanding to even begin to recognize.


Arguing with my Dad is a good example of that.  No amount of explaining to him how hot water freezes faster and cold water boils faster matters because, to him, that just doesn't make sense so he'll argue about it until people just shut up so he'll think he's right when in reality people are tired of debating with someone who is science illiterate.

We got in a debate last night over the water pumps on Gold Rush.  He just couldn't understand the concepts of fuel efficiency, pipe diameter, and distance and how filling a pond with high-flow pumps and then running with lower flow pumps save fuel in the long run versus pumping straight from the river.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert in all sorts of sciencey areas, but I understand flow rates and basic particle mechanics because those were basic education for me whereas he wasn't taught that stuff in school so those concepts aren't as obvious to him with a combination of him being old and stubborn.  I also try to keep up with science stories and the latest advances because I find that stuff interesting and I don't want to find myself looking like Quagmire in 2016 going "there's porn on the geeky computer beep beep internet thingy".

His attitude and people like him are what's holding us back -- people who just don't care to learn or immerse themselves with intellectually stimulating activities and would rather argue with partial or no information until other people shut up and accept the wrong and bad ideas.  Oh, he's agnostic & anti-Trump...these people come from all backgrounds.
 
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