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2017-11-03 10:03:32 AM  
Unless there is a kiddie pool full of Jello involved between the strippers and bottle girls, nobody is going to care.
 
2017-11-03 10:52:58 AM  
nearly naked bottle girls
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2017-11-03 10:57:15 AM  
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2017-11-03 10:58:40 AM  
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2017-11-03 10:58:59 AM  
Classic story of using new technology to disrupt an inefficient industry and cut out the middleman.  Silicon Valley MBAs could write great case studies on this.
 
2017-11-03 11:03:01 AM  
Male patron: "I don't care who gets the money as long as I get to see some titties."
 
2017-11-03 11:09:58 AM  

FrancoFile: Classic story of using new technology to disrupt an inefficient industry and cut out the middleman.  Silicon Valley MBAs could write great case studies on this.


What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".
 
2017-11-03 11:13:30 AM  
I actually prefer the bottle girls to the dancers. It feels more natural treating them like any other service professional, you give them money and they bring you a drink while they pretend to like you. Much less awkward than having a stripper sit on you and try to cajole you to buy a drink for her (or worse, provide you the price list for private dances.)
 
2017-11-03 11:23:39 AM  
Like all for profit small businesses, the employees at strip clubs are suffering from relentless greed and lack of organized labor.

As a long time connoisseur of these types of establishments, and having lived with an adult entertainer for more than 6 years, I can tell you that the business has gone right down the drain for these women trying to make a living by being eye candy for the rest of us.

The typical practice for pretty much all bars these days is the "private contractor" BS. No one is an employee of the bar. They dictate your schedule, your pay, how much you have to "tip out" to the manager, bar backs and doorman for the right to work that night. The staff almost always gets a 1099 from a corporation that is NOT the owner of the establishment they are working for. None of it meets the IRS's test as a independent contractor. It's a joke, and a bad one.

A bunch of bartenders and wait staff from a few different bars in Key West got together a few years ago and sued a few of the establishments and owners for theft of wages, failure to withhold taxes etc. The owners of these places were making the bar staff and servers pool and share their tips with the managers. This way the owner did not have to pay the managers a salary. Problem is, the staff is on tip wages Federal is $2.15 per hour. So, if you take any part of their tips, you are stealing their wages. The bar owners lost the lawsuit and had to pay thousands in back wages.

It is not enough to rake in tons of cash each night, nope, you have to steal from your staff as well. Assholes, everyone of them. And it is not like these people can just get a job at another bar. This whole industry has pretty much moved to this business model.
 
2017-11-03 11:23:52 AM  
"Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?
 
2017-11-03 11:30:23 AM  

meanmutton: FrancoFile: Classic story of using new technology to disrupt an inefficient industry and cut out the middleman.  Silicon Valley MBAs could write great case studies on this.

What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".


RTFA.  The bottle girls use Instagram to develop a following.  They advertise where they are going to be and pull followers to the strip club.  Since the whole industry is all "independent contractors", the bottle girls (rightly or wrongly) consider the customers to be theirs, & ergo the tips to be theirs.
 
2017-11-03 11:32:00 AM  
Oh, and when management says there's no racism because they hire all different ethnicities, you can be pretty sure there's racism.
 
2017-11-03 11:32:09 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: As a long time connoisseur of these types of establishments, and having lived with an adult entertainer for more than 6 years...


"and from having seen quite a few beglittered titties in my time..."
 
2017-11-03 11:35:27 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: "Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?


Pssst, 'urban' means, you know, mmmm, thoooooose people...
 
2017-11-03 11:37:14 AM  

FrancoFile: rzrwiresunrise: "Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?

Pssst, 'urban' means, you know, mmmm, thoooooose people...


Bus users!?
 
2017-11-03 11:37:56 AM  

Loaf's Tray: Someone Else's Alt: As a long time connoisseur of these types of establishments, and having lived with an adult entertainer for more than 6 years...

"and from having seen quite a few beglittered titties in my time..."


You laugh, but between her and her friends, there was never a time in all those years that I would not find glitter all over the house and the car.
 
2017-11-03 11:45:28 AM  
Doing the quick math, $400/night equates to $104,000 per year.  I know some talented engineers who do not make that much
 
2017-11-03 11:45:38 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: Loaf's Tray: Someone Else's Alt: As a long time connoisseur of these types of establishments, and having lived with an adult entertainer for more than 6 years...

"and from having seen quite a few beglittered titties in my time..."

You laugh, but between her and her friends, there was never a time in all those years that I would not find glitter all over the house and the car.


Did your penis sparkle?
 
2017-11-03 11:50:18 AM  
This involves dirty sex people. America will tolerate any kind of wrong doing and let slide just about anything done to these women because the "sluts" should have known better.

/see every conservative of either party talk about this
//not many conservatives left in the democrats anymore.
 
2017-11-03 11:51:28 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: "Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?


I attended rural strip clubs in my younger days. Trust me, that's not something I recommend. They are not classy places, even by strip club standards.
 
2017-11-03 11:52:12 AM  

Someone Else's Alt: Like all for profit small businesses, the employees at strip clubs are suffering from relentless greed and lack of organized labor.

As a long time connoisseur of these types of establishments, and having lived with an adult entertainer for more than 6 years, I can tell you that the business has gone right down the drain for these women trying to make a living by being eye candy for the rest of us.

The typical practice for pretty much all bars these days is the "private contractor" BS. No one is an employee of the bar. They dictate your schedule, your pay, how much you have to "tip out" to the manager, bar backs and doorman for the right to work that night. The staff almost always gets a 1099 from a corporation that is NOT the owner of the establishment they are working for. None of it meets the IRS's test as a independent contractor. It's a joke, and a bad one.

A bunch of bartenders and wait staff from a few different bars in Key West got together a few years ago and sued a few of the establishments and owners for theft of wages, failure to withhold taxes etc. The owners of these places were making the bar staff and servers pool and share their tips with the managers. This way the owner did not have to pay the managers a salary. Problem is, the staff is on tip wages Federal is $2.15 per hour. So, if you take any part of their tips, you are stealing their wages. The bar owners lost the lawsuit and had to pay thousands in back wages.

It is not enough to rake in tons of cash each night, nope, you have to steal from your staff as well. Assholes, everyone of them. And it is not like these people can just get a job at another bar. This whole industry has pretty much moved to this business model.


Not to mention the girls rarely get to keep the private dance (and other considerations) fees for themselves. They go straight to the pimps (body guards) who allow them to work. One of the best known bars in Atlanta got busted for this just recently.
 
2017-11-03 11:52:18 AM  
Quit stripping and go to bartender school.


Or go on strike.
People are dumb.
Strippers are dumber.
 
2017-11-03 12:01:56 PM  

meanmutton: What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".


It's not a NYC thing, it's a hip hop culture thing. And yes, it's dumb... but the girls probably like it because they'll net as much for that dance as for a lapdance, the club doesn't get a cut and they don't have to gyrate on some guys lap.

That said, as a customer if you stand at the stage with a dollar you'll get the same show, possibly more and you can run your hand up their leg as you tuck the dollar into their g-string.

So yeah, I go with the latter option. My best guess, aside from just copying rap videos, is that the guys might think they're impressing the girls. I've yet to see a stripper impressed by a guy throwing dollars at her.

Maybe if it's hundreds.. but no one in my area has that kind of cash so they just look like idiots.
 
2017-11-03 12:02:16 PM  

fastfxr: Quit stripping and go to bartender school.


Or go on strike.
People are dumb.
Strippers are dumber.


Right here.  The world changes.   If two girls are taking their clothes off my money goes to the one who makes me the sammich.
 
2017-11-03 12:04:26 PM  

Another Government Employee: Not to mention the girls rarely get to keep the private dance (and other considerations) fees for themselves. They go straight to the pimps (body guards) who allow them to work. One of the best known bars in Atlanta got busted for this just recently.


Busted? That's literally the business model... the house takes half the lapdance fee. (Which always seemed ludicrous to me but that's also always how it works everywhere I've been.)
 
2017-11-03 12:10:10 PM  

Telos: meanmutton: What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".

It's not a NYC thing, it's a hip hop culture thing. And yes, it's dumb... but the girls probably like it because they'll net as much for that dance as for a lapdance, the club doesn't get a cut and they don't have to gyrate on some guys lap.

That said, as a customer if you stand at the stage with a dollar you'll get the same show, possibly more and you can run your hand up their leg as you tuck the dollar into their g-string.

So yeah, I go with the latter option. My best guess, aside from just copying rap videos, is that the guys might think they're impressing the girls. I've yet to see a stripper impressed by a guy throwing dollars at her.

Maybe if it's hundreds.. but no one in my area has that kind of cash so they just look like idiots.


All of the women I know that worked in this industry did much better 10-15 years ago than the women working now. In NJ in the early 90s, the typical setup was the women would get paid an hourly wage, around $12 an hour for showing up, keep all their tips on stage and not legally be allowed to be completely nude or do lap dances etc. Friend of mine was making $700-1,500 a night doing that. She bought 3 houses and now lives off the rental income of two of them.
 
2017-11-03 12:17:30 PM  

Telos: Another Government Employee: Not to mention the girls rarely get to keep the private dance (and other considerations) fees for themselves. They go straight to the pimps (body guards) who allow them to work. One of the best known bars in Atlanta got busted for this just recently.

Busted? That's literally the business model... the house takes half the lapdance fee. (Which always seemed ludicrous to me but that's also always how it works everywhere I've been.)


Thats my whole point, it was not always like this. Some bar owner somewhere about 20 years ago watched a 19 year old with no education walk out of his club with $1,500 in her hand and said to himself, "how can I get some of that"? Started with splitting the cost of a customer drink with bar. Then house fees, then, tip outs for doormen, them splitting lap dance tips, then fines for showing up late, or leaving the dressing room a mess etc. Any excuse to dip into their employees earnings.
 
2017-11-03 12:20:01 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: All of the women I know that worked in this industry did much better 10-15 years ago than the women working now. In NJ in the early 90s, the typical setup was the women would get paid an hourly wage, around $12 an hour for showing up, keep all their tips on stage and not legally be allowed to be completely nude or do lap dances etc. Friend of mine was making $700-1,500 a night doing that. She bought 3 houses and now lives off the rental income of two of them.


Yeah, just read the article and this shiat sounds ludicrous. Ok so the bartenders are bringing people into the club, but the guys are still tipping the dancer.The bartenders are also getting tipped... I don;t have a problem with that part, but taking the strippers cash off the stage is farking ludicrous. If I was the customer I'd have a problem with that, I tipped the dancer in that case.

I don't think this will last long, the dancers will all stop dancing and become bartenders if they're smart and the clubs will lose business because there's no hot naked chicks on stage. Sucks for the dancers in the meantime though...
 
2017-11-03 12:22:47 PM  
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2017-11-03 12:29:03 PM  
Looks to me that the more serious claim is they are stealing tips clearly intended for the dancers as opposed to taking customers. They're acting like all of a sudden they're part of a "tip pool". I can understand that if they are actually pulling in customers who would simply have not shown up at all if it weren't for them, then they have the right to attract business of their own and work a crowd for their own tips. After all, you are talking about a business based on paying an attractive woman to like you(which all men do but that's beside the point) it makes sense that they get to put their money where they feel it gives the most value. But when the clubs have started to allow bartenders to steal tips or have a policy of "when in doubt the tip goes to the bartender" when the stage is in the same place, because they've decided that a bartender who can't even really do the job they're supposed to be hired for is the more valued employee there is certainly grievance. On that last note, it's less about poor treatment of an employee as it is shiatty business practice that creates a hostile work environment, by enabling competition where there should be cooperation.

Why anyone would want to go to or work at a NYC area club is beyond me. In my experience, unless you are a) really good looking, or b) really socially talented, the women at bars in this town including the bartender treat you like crap and I can only imagine it would be worse at a strip club because they already hate their customers on principle. I won't even bother going to rock clubs in the LES anymore knowing that the best I get is a piss warm beer served by someone who really doesn't care, though when there is a show with cover they usually don't check to see that you didn't buy anything. Honestly, NYC needs a lesson from the west coast and middle America about how customer service is done. Once you see how many other cities do it you get perspective on how shiatty it actually is in NYC. Honestly, when I first heard of this story about a week ago my first thought was that most bartenders here behave like strippers anyway when it comes to customers and tips.
 
2017-11-03 12:32:22 PM  
I guess I'm old now. Beautiful women are fantastic... but this just sounds tawdry. If you gave me 10k that I had to spend having a blast at a joint like this or give it to the poor there would be no contest. I wouldn't throw it either. I'd hand it over nicely.
 
2017-11-03 12:35:58 PM  

TheMaskedArmadillo: Doing the quick math, $400/night equates to $104,000 per year.  I know some talented engineers who do not make that much


Sure, but they probably suck a lot less dick.

/probably
 
2017-11-03 12:37:04 PM  
The most interesting thing I got from this story is that there is a strippers training dance studio.
 
2017-11-03 12:38:36 PM  

FrancoFile: rzrwiresunrise: "Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?

Pssst, 'urban' means, you know, mmmm, thoooooose people...


I just find it strange that the writer is using that descriptor. I mean, is there anything other than an "urban" club in the Bronx or Brooklyn?
 
2017-11-03 12:45:04 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: TheMaskedArmadillo: Doing the quick math, $400/night equates to $104,000 per year.  I know some talented engineers who do not make that much

Sure, but they probably suck a lot less dick.

/probably


Maybe they've just crunched the numbers on the most efficient way to handle the most dicks

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2017-11-03 12:48:30 PM  
Always check for the Union label?
 
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Now even this dream is being denied for young women. Thanks Obama.
 
2017-11-03 01:06:28 PM  
Say a stripper makes 400 a night.  How much out that does she declare?  Basically none, so a stripper pulling down 100k a year has the equivalent of making almost 150k.
 
2017-11-03 01:14:50 PM  
If you have decent looks & any kind of personality, you don't work in strip clubs these days. You do it on a cam site....or so I have been told.
 
2017-11-03 01:18:46 PM  

isamudyson: If you have decent looks & any kind of personality, you don't work in strip clubs these days. You do it on a cam site....or so I have been told.


I give you ten tokens for this reply!

/honestly, I felt the camworld went to shiat when they all started using that fake ohmibod crap. Just put something with a little blinking light over your pussy and pretend it vibrates whenever someone tips? C'mon, if I wanted to get farked I'd find an escort, not watch the worst mime act ever.
 
2017-11-03 01:20:22 PM  

mjbok: Say a stripper makes 400 a night.  How much out that does she declare?  Basically none, so a stripper pulling down 100k a year has the equivalent of making almost 150k.


I guess you have never heard of the IRS making a "net worth" tax evasion case. If you are spending (or depositing) money that trips alarm bells over at the IRS (or the New York tax office) you will find out pretty quickly that declaring "basically none" of your income is a pretty short term idea that gets you a nice government paid vacation.
 
2017-11-03 01:21:33 PM  
Bottle girls? Haven't seen one of those since Subic Bay.
 
2017-11-03 01:29:51 PM  

Telos: meanmutton: What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".

It's not a NYC thing, it's a hip hop culture thing. And yes, it's dumb... but the girls probably like it because they'll net as much for that dance as for a lapdance, the club doesn't get a cut and they don't have to gyrate on some guys lap.

That said, as a customer if you stand at the stage with a dollar you'll get the same show, possibly more and you can run your hand up their leg as you tuck the dollar into their g-string.

So yeah, I go with the latter option. My best guess, aside from just copying rap videos, is that the guys might think they're impressing the girls. I've yet to see a stripper impressed by a guy throwing dollars at her.

Maybe if it's hundreds.. but no one in my area has that kind of cash so they just look like idiots.


Admittedly I don't have a ton of perspective, just more than I think the average middle class person does, and from that I'm comfortable saying that if you show me someone who is consistently doing badly financially I'll show you consistent bad choices that keep them there. I certainly know people with medical/dental problems that need attention, or other problems that can be fixed with money who blow it all on the cigarettes and beer causing said problems. I'm sure many of these guys are blowing a month's worth of savings or more on a single dancer hoping to impress her. The hip hop culture/rap video thing makes sense. After all, don't most of these videos depict women as commodities to be purchased? And the more you spend on them the better you look, just like with clothes and shoes. There are even female dating coaches whose selling point is helping men attain "high value women."
 
2017-11-03 01:33:38 PM  

ElectricPeterTork: isamudyson: If you have decent looks & any kind of personality, you don't work in strip clubs these days. You do it on a cam site....or so I have been told.

I give you ten tokens for this reply!

/honestly, I felt the camworld went to shiat when they all started using that fake ohmibod crap. Just put something with a little blinking light over your pussy and pretend it vibrates whenever someone tips? C'mon, if I wanted to get farked I'd find an escort, not watch the worst mime act ever.


A lot of them are like that now since that came out. The best ones are mastering the old school burlesque art of "tease". As it turns out, not just showing everything but holding something back actually pays off.

/Plus having music playing that rivals our lost LSCP shows helps too.
 
2017-11-03 01:37:38 PM  

Froman: Admittedly I don't have a ton of perspective, just more than I think the average middle class person does, and from that I'm comfortable saying that if you show me someone who is consistently doing badly financially I'll show you consistent bad choices that keep them there. I certainly know people with medical/dental problems that need attention, or other problems that can be fixed with money who blow it all on the cigarettes and beer causing said problems. I'm sure many of these guys are blowing a month's worth of savings or more on a single dancer hoping to impress her. The hip hop culture/rap video thing makes sense. After all, don't most of these videos depict women as commodities to be purchased?


I don't know about that specifically, I'm not really into rap... but I've definitely seen parts of videos where guys are making it rain for strippers/dancers. But again, these guys are making it rain hundreds... it's more about conspicuous consumption than showing women as "commodities to be purchased."

And the more you spend on them the better you look, just like with clothes and shoes. There are even female dating coaches whose selling point is helping men attain "high value women."

That belies your point though doesn't it? If women are commodities you don't need a dating coach, you just buy the high value woman...
 
2017-11-03 01:51:02 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: TheMaskedArmadillo: Doing the quick math, $400/night equates to $104,000 per year.  I know some talented engineers who do not make that much

Sure, but they probably suck a lot less dick.

/probably


This is true.... engineers do suck a lot of dicks when you know the right ones.
 
2017-11-03 01:52:22 PM  

FrancoFile: meanmutton: FrancoFile: Classic story of using new technology to disrupt an inefficient industry and cut out the middleman.  Silicon Valley MBAs could write great case studies on this.

What "new technology" is involved in stealing tips off a stripclub dance stage?

Either way, as a Detroiter, I don't understand the NYC mentality of throwing massive amounts of cash at strippers on stage. Here, they make very little in stage tips with all the money coming for private, umm, dances. Yes, we'll call them "dances".

RTFA.  The bottle girls use Instagram to develop a following.  They advertise where they are going to be and pull followers to the strip club.  Since the whole industry is all "independent contractors", the bottle girls (rightly or wrongly) consider the customers to be theirs, & ergo the tips to be theirs.


I read the article. The main issue appears to be repeated times where multiple bottle girls are stealing dancer tips from onstage.
 
2017-11-03 01:53:58 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: "Urban clubs?" As opposed to suburban and rural clubs? Dafuq?


"Urban" meaning they play R&B and rap music and predominantly have black dancers.
 
2017-11-03 01:56:54 PM  

mjbok: Say a stripper makes 400 a night.  How much out that does she declare?  Basically none, so a stripper pulling down 100k a year has the equivalent of making almost 150k.


It usually does not work this way for them. Most only work a few nights a week, many places will not let them work 1 or 2 weekend nights without picking up at least one "slow" week night. Many places do not let them work more than a few nights a week.  This allows them to keep more women on staff, and give them just enough days to work so they don't go somewhere else, so they have both more variety for their customers as well as making sure that the staff knows no one cares if they walk, plenty to take their place.
Then just to screw them over some more, owners will almost always allow women from other bars or out of town come in and work for special events etc. See the owner does not care if there are too many women on a shift anymore, all they see is more house fees.
 
2017-11-03 02:03:23 PM  

Telos: Froman:

And the more you spend on them the better you look, just like with clothes and shoes. There are even female dating coaches whose selling point is helping men attain "high value women."

That belies your point though doesn't it? If women are commodities you don't need a dating coach, you just buy the high value woman...


Well, yes and no. In that case the term "high value" doesn't necessarily mean just high cost and in fact may be talking about a woman who doesn't actually care about money. It's about seeing a woman for what she appears to be "worth", and marketing the service to men from a point of getting a woman is "worth" the most, measured in the same way as a car or clothing. Of course, her value is mostly tied in with her looks. Men who date this way are really just feeding their ego and get more enjoyment from people seeing this beautiful woman with them than they get from actually being with them. Even if the goal is to earn her rather than pay for her she is still a commodity.

The guys who throw tons of cash at strippers are probably doing something similar and trying to look good in front of everyone showing how much money they can spend on them. Especially if the cost of "making it rain" will buy a private dance that no one will see.
 
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