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2017-10-20 07:51:08 PM  
So, it's really safe then?
 
2017-10-20 08:03:22 PM  
Yeah, but it as safe as Chicago?
 
2017-10-20 11:59:03 PM  
So gun control doesn't work, right?
 
2017-10-21 12:00:34 AM  
Yeah, but London doesn't have any guns. It doesn't matter how you're victimized in London, just take solace in the knowledge that they probably aren't going to use a gun to do it.
 
2017-10-21 12:00:43 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So gun control doesn't work, right?


They just assault people with their cuisine there.
 
2017-10-21 12:01:41 AM  
How's their pizza?
 
2017-10-21 12:03:03 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So gun control doesn't work, right?


More like not bothering to investigate certain crimes in the name of cutting spending leads to more crime.
 
2017-10-21 12:03:52 AM  
Ok, first mention of guns gets.... nevermind
 
2017-10-21 12:06:36 AM  
So the Purge will be going international.
 
2017-10-21 12:06:44 AM  
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2017-10-21 12:07:20 AM  

LordJiro: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So gun control doesn't work, right?

More like not bothering to investigate certain crimes in the name of cutting spending leads to more crime.


That is a fascinating problem. It's amazing to see so few cutting back on so much for so many and not giving a shiat when it all goes to hell. Libraries are apparently going volunteer.
 
2017-10-21 12:09:26 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: LordJiro: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: So gun control doesn't work, right?

More like not bothering to investigate certain crimes in the name of cutting spending leads to more crime.

That is a fascinating problem. It's amazing to see so few cutting back on so much for so many and not giving a shiat when it all goes to hell. Libraries are apparently going volunteer.


It's the "conservative" way. Make your buddies richer, through directing tax money or just gutting taxes, and let everything else collapse.

"Conservatives" are parasites.
 
2017-10-21 12:15:20 AM  
Tulsa is more dangerous than New York. Really.
 
2017-10-21 12:18:02 AM  
So did London get worse or NY better?
 
2017-10-21 12:18:50 AM  
Fear! FEAR! FEAR!!!

Or fark it, spark up a bowl and don't worry so goddamn much.
 
2017-10-21 12:30:18 AM  
Whoa so it's only mostly safe?
 
2017-10-21 12:30:36 AM  
London has almost three times the number of reported rapes

Yes, clearly this is solely due to a reduction in the number of neighborhood patrols. Tell another one, you chucklefarks.
 
2017-10-21 12:34:45 AM  

Weatherkiss: Yeah, but London doesn't have any guns. It doesn't matter how you're victimized in London, just take solace in the knowledge that they probably aren't going to use a gun to do it.


Yes, just take solace in the fact that your face is more likely to be horrifically scarred with acid in London than in NYC.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thes​u​n.co.uk/news/4016850/acid-attacks-uk-l​ondon-latest-treatment/amp/
 
2017-10-21 12:36:26 AM  

Joe USer: Tulsa is more dangerous than New York. Really.


Many other US cities are more dangerous than NYC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_​o​f_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 
2017-10-21 12:38:25 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Fear! FEAR! FEAR!!!

Or fark it, spark up a bowl and don't worry so goddamn much.


I wonder if you ever posted this in the recent Nazi threads.
 
2017-10-21 12:44:05 AM  

dv-ous: Yeah, but it as safe as Chicago?


Chicago is not even in the top 20 in the U.S..
 
2017-10-21 01:06:12 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: Joe USer: Tulsa is more dangerous than New York. Really.

Many other US cities are more dangerous than NYC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o​f_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


Seattle has higher violent crime and murder rates than NYC, so this isn't really scaring me away from London yet.
 
2017-10-21 01:07:54 AM  
This is a real problem.....

Rudy was publicly hammered for police harassment and his over handed ways....what he did is the ANTI-left police use policy.

As much as I hate to give praise where praise is due, but as a ex new yorker that lived on 80th and broadway until the mid 80s.... He changed New York for the better.

What he did had lasting effects.
 
2017-10-21 01:10:45 AM  
Crime statistics are essentially useless. The government, the cops, the politicians, they all want to crime stats to go down.  And they make them go down.  I've known many, many examples myself where cops refused to fill out the paperwork because that would bring their crime statistics up.  In one case, they had crooks in hand (actually in jail), dead to rights, and were told "release them, don't charge them" because the guys they had caught were going to get charged with a *lot* of stuff that wasn't on the books.  So by releasing them, they kept those things off the books, thus lowering the crime rate.  By releasing criminals instead of charging them.

Every place does it.  And it makes crime stats useless.
 
2017-10-21 01:18:32 AM  

JuggleGeek: Crime statistics are essentially useless. The government, the cops, the politicians, they all want to crime stats to go down.  And they make them go down.  I've known many, many examples myself where cops refused to fill out the paperwork because that would bring their crime statistics up.  In one case, they had crooks in hand (actually in jail), dead to rights, and were told "release them, don't charge them" because the guys they had caught were going to get charged with a *lot* of stuff that wasn't on the books.  So by releasing them, they kept those things off the books, thus lowering the crime rate.  By releasing criminals instead of charging them.

Every place does it.  And it makes crime stats useless.


I am pretty sure you are exactly right.......

It might not even be all that.... Cops are still humans....if its late in the day, and some dumb bastard is about to give you 4 hours of paperwork...if he/she is not actually dangerous.....lol....yeahhhhh.... I can see that crime going unreported.

I don't think you write off a rape or worse....but A dispute about who the cell phone belongs too....is not about to become the next hour of your life.....
 
2017-10-21 01:57:52 AM  

FLoridaDon: JuggleGeek: Crime statistics are essentially useless. The government, the cops, the politicians, they all want to crime stats to go down.  And they make them go down.  I've known many, many examples myself where cops refused to fill out the paperwork because that would bring their crime statistics up.  In one case, they had crooks in hand (actually in jail), dead to rights, and were told "release them, don't charge them" because the guys they had caught were going to get charged with a *lot* of stuff that wasn't on the books.  So by releasing them, they kept those things off the books, thus lowering the crime rate.  By releasing criminals instead of charging them.

Every place does it.  And it makes crime stats useless.

I am pretty sure you are exactly right.......

It might not even be all that.... Cops are still humans....if its late in the day, and some dumb bastard is about to give you 4 hours of paperwork...if he/she is not actually dangerous.....lol....yeahhhhh.... I can see that crime going unreported.

I don't think you write off a rape or worse....but A dispute about who the cell phone belongs too....is not about to become the next hour of your life.....


Understand that the poster is disparaging all crime statistics because zie has certain politically correct and dishonest narratives to peddle.
 
2017-10-21 02:21:35 AM  
Let me guess, they promoted one officer to seargent and sent him off to a village in the countryside because his arrest record was making everyone else look bad?
/japabese peace lilly
 
2017-10-21 02:28:37 AM  

Smoking GNU: Let me guess, they promoted one officer to seargent and sent him off to a village in the countryside because his arrest record was making everyone else look bad?
/japabese peace lilly


Narp.
 
2017-10-21 02:39:44 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: Joe USer: Tulsa is more dangerous than New York. Really.

Many other US cities are more dangerous than NYC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o​f_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


This one lets you play around with the different rankings for different crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 
2017-10-21 03:42:40 AM  

Joe USer: Tulsa is more dangerous than New York. Really.


And Buffalo is more dangerous than Tulsa. Really.
 
2017-10-21 03:51:57 AM  
I lived in Notting Hill for just 2.5 years, starting about 15 years ago.   During that time I saw a bag snatch in Whiteleys (small shopping mall),  A friend had money taken at knifepoint just up the street,  and of the just 20 houses on my street, three were burgled.  In one case my neighbour chased the burglar out of the house with a sword.  (quite possibly illegal, owned on the premise of being ceremonial).

If crime rates have shot up since then, I'd hate to think what living there now is like.
 
2017-10-21 04:00:21 AM  
New Yorkers are four times more likely to be murdered than Londoners.

The rest is statistical noise.
 
2017-10-21 04:49:39 AM  
" Last week it emerged that Scotland Yard would not even bother investigating a large number of low level offences as part of a major cost cutting drive. "

When I worked retail, this happened a lot. The police weren't interested in investigating bastards who stole a tank of gasoline or a bag of food, even if we had a description of the driver and vehicle with video showing their license plate. Theft just wasn't on their priority list. Sometimes the police would go out of their way to inconvenience us for daring to call them. I once had to sit in the back of a police car at my place of employment to give an officer a description of a crime, in full view of regular customers who probably thought I had done something wrong. There wasn't any reason for that to happen except for an annoyed officer wanting to put me in my place for daring to report a petty larceny.
 
2017-10-21 05:42:02 AM  

FLoridaDon: As much as I hate to give praise where praise is due, but as a ex new yorker that lived on 80th and broadway until the mid 80s.... He changed New York for the better.


There are some people who still say he ruined NY and blame him for it losing its gritty appeal, those people are morons and romanticize needles in times square.

Ive seen NY in the early 90s and then in 2015, even in those gaps it was noticeably cleaner and safer feeling, making criminals afraid is not a bad thing people.
 
2017-10-21 05:52:24 AM  

steamingpile: FLoridaDon: As much as I hate to give praise where praise is due, but as a ex new yorker that lived on 80th and broadway until the mid 80s.... He changed New York for the better.

There are some people who still say he ruined NY and blame him for it losing its gritty appeal, those people are morons and romanticize needles in times square.

Ive seen NY in the early 90s and then in 2015, even in those gaps it was noticeably cleaner and safer feeling, making criminals afraid is not a bad thing people.


Plenty of people say that Rudy just happened to be around when crime rates were falling. And since they were falling across the developed world there are maybe better explanations: from easier abortion, to lead in gasoline and paint, to some quirk of drug dealing...
 
2017-10-21 05:59:33 AM  

steamingpile: FLoridaDon: As much as I hate to give praise where praise is due, but as a ex new yorker that lived on 80th and broadway until the mid 80s.... He changed New York for the better.

There are some people who still say he ruined NY and blame him for it losing its gritty appeal, those people are morons and romanticize needles in times square.

Ive seen NY in the early 90s and then in 2015, even in those gaps it was noticeably cleaner and safer feeling, making criminals afraid is not a bad thing people.


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2017-10-21 06:01:30 AM  
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2017-10-21 06:03:11 AM  
Man... Liberals don't know how to respond to this article. The choices are acknowledge that it's due to Muslim immigration, or acknowledge that it's because London doesn't employ Stop and Frisk.
 
2017-10-21 06:04:29 AM  

Sidoko: New Yorkers are four times more likely to be murdered than Londoners.

The rest is statistical noise.


And it still ranks only 70th out of 83 US cities in terms of murder rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 
2017-10-21 06:14:07 AM  

Tommy Moo: Man... Liberals don't know how to respond to this article. The choices are acknowledge that it's due to Muslim immigration, or acknowledge that it's because London doesn't employ Stop and Frisk.


You're half right.  The increased crime is indeed the result of immigrants.  To what degree it's Muslim immigration, I don't know, but it's probably substantial.   Back when I identified as a liberal and my sister lived in Italy, I ignored her testimony that immigrants were worsening the crime rate.  I don't anymore.

But the stop and frisk policy in NY, an obviously unconstitutional and, yes, racist policy only resulted in 3% of them being convictions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/201​3​/nov/14/stop-and-frisk-new-york-convic​tion-rate
 
2017-10-21 06:33:19 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: Tommy Moo: Man... Liberals don't know how to respond to this article. The choices are acknowledge that it's due to Muslim immigration, or acknowledge that it's because London doesn't employ Stop and Frisk.

You're half right.  The increased crime is indeed the result of immigrants.  To what degree it's Muslim immigration, I don't know, but it's probably substantial.   Back when I identified as a liberal and my sister lived in Italy, I ignored her testimony that immigrants were worsening the crime rate.  I don't anymore.

But the stop and frisk policy in NY, an obviously unconstitutional and, yes, racist policy only resulted in 3% of them being convictions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013​/nov/14/stop-and-frisk-new-york-convic​tion-rate


Crime still went down dramatically due to the increased police presence where they new the crime to be taking place.

If it sounds stupid but it works, It's not stupid.
 
2017-10-21 06:47:14 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: You're half right.  The increased crime is indeed the result of immigrants.  To what degree it's Muslim immigration, I don't know, but it's probably substantial.   Back when I identified as a liberal and my sister lived in Italy, I ignored her testimony that immigrants were worsening the crime rate.  I don't anymore.


Do you have any evidence that increased crime is due to immigrants? How do you explain the upsurge in US violent crime? Immigrants or good old all-American crims?

"The US violent crime rate rose for the second consecutive year in 2016, the FBI said in its annual crime report. The overall violent crime rate rose by 4.1%, and the homicide rate increased by 8.6%, FBI statistics show. The 2016 rate of violent crimes - defined by the FBI as assault, rape, murder and robbery - represents the largest such rise in 25 years. A total of 17,250 people were murdered in the US last year, according to the data."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-ca​n​ada-41391333
 
2017-10-21 06:49:44 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: Sidoko: New Yorkers are four times more likely to be murdered than Londoners.

The rest is statistical noise.

And it still ranks only 70th out of 83 US cities in terms of murder rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


Murders per million inhabittants:
Capital city of the UK 13
Capital city of the US 201

St Louis 593
Baltimore 512
Detroit 452
New Orleans 445
Cleveland 343
Newark 334
Memphis 325
Orlando 119
New York 41
Boston 57
San Francisco 61

UK overall 9
US overall 53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
 
2017-10-21 07:02:08 AM  
zepillin: Rape and sexual assault by city
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Are you allowing for the fact that the UK categorizes crimes (including sex crimes) far more widely than the US?
"top-line crime numbers in the U.K. and the U.S. aren't apples-to-apples. Here, violent crime includes only four offenses: murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In the U.K., the definition of victim-based crimes is broader, also including stalking and harassment."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p​o​litics/wp/2017/10/20/the-uk-agency-tha​t-compiled-the-data-in-trumps-terroris​m-tweet-disagrees-with-his-assessment/​?utm_term=.78559652ccbb
 
2017-10-21 07:04:44 AM  

Sidoko: Ribb Rotgut: You're half right.  The increased crime is indeed the result of immigrants.  To what degree it's Muslim immigration, I don't know, but it's probably substantial.   Back when I identified as a liberal and my sister lived in Italy, I ignored her testimony that immigrants were worsening the crime rate.  I don't anymore.

Do you have any evidence that increased crime is due to immigrants? How do you explain the upsurge in US violent crime? Immigrants or good old all-American crims?

"The US violent crime rate rose for the second consecutive year in 2016, the FBI said in its annual crime report. The overall violent crime rate rose by 4.1%, and the homicide rate increased by 8.6%, FBI statistics show. The 2016 rate of violent crimes - defined by the FBI as assault, rape, murder and robbery - represents the largest such rise in 25 years. A total of 17,250 people were murdered in the US last year, according to the data."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-can​ada-41391333


For the US, I don't think it's due to immigration, although, of course some immigrants will commit crimes. But  our immigrants seem to integrate much better than europe's.   Why, I'm not sure.

Also, I don't think the uptick in crime is uniform across all US cities, from what I remember reading, I don't know where the source is for that now. It's still really much lower from it's peak in the..early 90s, I think?
Some postulate it's the "Ferguson effect".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguso​n​_effect

Probably mutli-factorial, like life.
 
2017-10-21 07:16:41 AM  

Ribb Rotgut: For the US, I don't think it's due to immigration, although, of course some immigrants will commit crimes. But  our immigrants seem to integrate much better than europe's.   Why, I'm not sure.

Also, I don't think the uptick in crime is uniform across all US cities, from what I remember reading, I don't know where the source is for that now. It's still really much lower from it's peak in the..early 90s, I think?


I don't think...seem...I'm not sure...I don't think...from what I remember reading. I don't know where...I don't know...I think...
 
2017-10-21 07:23:23 AM  

Sidoko: Ribb Rotgut: Sidoko: New Yorkers are four times more likely to be murdered than Londoners.

The rest is statistical noise.

And it still ranks only 70th out of 83 US cities in terms of murder rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Murders per million inhabittants:
Capital city of the UK 13
Capital city of the US 201

St Louis 593
Baltimore 512
Detroit 452
New Orleans 445
Cleveland 343
Newark 334
Memphis 325
Orlando 119
New York 41
Boston 57
San Francisco 61

UK overall 9
US overall 53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​United_States_cities_by_crime_rate


Yes, we like murder here, no argument.

The Brits pronounce it better though.
 
2017-10-21 07:24:13 AM  

Sidoko: Ribb Rotgut: For the US, I don't think it's due to immigration, although, of course some immigrants will commit crimes. But  our immigrants seem to integrate much better than europe's.   Why, I'm not sure.

Also, I don't think the uptick in crime is uniform across all US cities, from what I remember reading, I don't know where the source is for that now. It's still really much lower from it's peak in the..early 90s, I think?

I don't think...seem...I'm not sure...I don't think...from what I remember reading. I don't know where...I don't know...I think...


I'm not even drunk or high.  Just lazy.
 
2017-10-21 07:37:29 AM  
You'd better get ready for rising crime rates EVERYWHERE in the industrialized world.
The Boomers are going to start dying in serious numbers over the next decade, ending the era of ageing populations. With the end of ageing populations the reductions in crime rates will end, and be reversed.
That will not stop the idiots of the world for blaming whatever they don't like for it, any more than it stopped them falsely taking credit for the now vanishing reductions we enjoyed for two decades.
But it's the one constant that always applies - you can't "trump" demographics.
 
2017-10-21 07:52:37 AM  
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