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(The Ringer)   Cleveland Indians lose postseason series after opponent wins three straight. This is not a repeat from a year ago   ( theringer.com) divider line
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2017-10-12 06:40:32 AM  
Postseason baseball is a crapshoot. There's simply too much randomness from game-to-game.
 
2017-10-12 06:46:37 AM  
At most they're not the browns.
 
2017-10-12 06:51:08 AM  
They probably should have refused that gift of blankets
 
2017-10-12 07:30:07 AM  
They are the new cursed team now.
 
2017-10-12 07:56:34 AM  
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2017-10-12 08:10:26 AM  
Um, yes. It is a repeat from last year's playoffs.
 
2017-10-12 08:16:54 AM  

Archibald_Silverstein: Um, yes. It is a repeat from last year's playoffs.


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2017-10-12 08:33:27 AM  

MorningConstitution: Obligatory

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Leaving satisfied....
 
2017-10-12 08:35:07 AM  
Looking forward to Altuve having more HR's than Judge during the ALCS.
 
2017-10-12 08:49:11 AM  

balfourk: Looking forward to Altuve having more HR's than Judge during the ALCS.


He's still a rookie who just played in his first playoff series. Settle down.

The Yankees don't get to the ALCS without him.

But hey, if Altuve having more HRs means the Yankees win the ALCS, I'm all for making you happy.
 
2017-10-12 09:11:52 AM  

Kouta: Postseason baseball is a crapshoot. There's simply too much randomness from game-to-game.


Each series will now be best of 13. The World Series will be played in February in the same city as the Super Bowl, as long as it's either in the south or indoors.
 
2017-10-12 09:14:49 AM  
Also obligatory?

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2017-10-12 09:28:58 AM  
Put it in even greater context.. the Indians have lost 6 straight clinching games.
 
2017-10-12 09:46:10 AM  
The Cleveland Indians have blown a series lead by losing three straight games in 5 of their last 7 postseason appearances. 2017 to the Yankees (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0), 2016 to the Cubs (lost WS 4-3 after being up 3-1), 2007 to the Red Sox (lost ALCS 4-3 after being up 3-1) and 1999 to the Red Sox (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0).
 
2017-10-12 10:14:13 AM  

Archibald_Silverstein: Um, yes. It is a repeat from last year's playoffs.


That's not how "being a repeat" works
 
2017-10-12 10:28:35 AM  

tommyl66: The Cleveland Indians have blown a series lead by losing three straight games in 5 of their last 7 postseason appearances. 2017 to the Yankees (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0), 2016 to the Cubs (lost WS 4-3 after being up 3-1), 2007 to the Red Sox (lost ALCS 4-3 after being up 3-1) and 1999 to the Red Sox (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0).


Unless you forgot to post one, that's 4 of their last 7 appearances.
 
2017-10-12 10:40:22 AM  
Well, if a Cubs-Indians World Series was the thing that broke the timeline last fall, maybe a Yankees-Dodgers series will correct the rupture in space-time.
 
2017-10-12 10:40:41 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: tommyl66: The Cleveland Indians have blown a series lead by losing three straight games in 5 of their last 7 postseason appearances. 2017 to the Yankees (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0), 2016 to the Cubs (lost WS 4-3 after being up 3-1), 2007 to the Red Sox (lost ALCS 4-3 after being up 3-1) and 1999 to the Red Sox (lost ALDS 3-2 after being up 2-0).

Unless you forgot to post one, that's 4 of their last 7 appearances.


I forgot to add one coffee for myself.
 
2017-10-12 10:41:22 AM  

Trainspotr: Well, if a Cubs-Indians World Series was the thing that broke the timeline last fall, maybe a Yankees-Dodgers series will correct the rupture in space-time.


No, we need a Nats/Astros series.
 
2017-10-12 10:43:07 AM  

max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.


One vote for Armageddon, then.
 
2017-10-12 11:08:42 AM  

Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.


You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world? It's what baseball needs: a world series that can't end without a scrappy underdog winning.
 
2017-10-12 11:13:41 AM  
So the scrappy, underdog New York Yankees rise up and upset the powerhouse Cleveland Indians. It's just like that movie I saw the other day!
 
2017-10-12 11:26:34 AM  
Honestly, if the Indians couldn't get 1 quality start from the likely AL CY Young and their hottest hitters all season go silent in the playoffs, I'm not sure we deserved to move on.  I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that Kluber was hurt in some fashion and tried to pitch through it.  He's just too good, both in the regular season and last year in the playoffs, to implode like that.  Twice!

Tito is probably the best manager the Indians have had in a long time, and I'm usually a proponent of trusting in Tito, but he had a few head scratchers:  The whole Jason Kipnis center field experiment was not very good.  He made a few catches, but his noodle arm was evident.  Runners took extra bases at will and he couldn't throw out Todd farking Frazier on a shallow fly.  Would have been better to leave him at 2nd, play Jose back at 3rd, and platoon Jackson/Chisenhall/Greg Allen in center.  Not having Yandy Diaz on the ALDS roster was bad.  He was showing signs of life since September call ups having corrected his launch angle issues.  Huge power threat.  While Urshella's glove was good to great all season, and it's hard to predict him imploding like he did in game 4, offense was needed way more then defense.  And Gio's bat is known to be an easy out.  Even having Yandy DH instead of Brantley would have been great when Edwin went down.  Which brings me to another issue, as to why the hell Brantley was on the roster.  Dude was on the DL like all season.  Why are you wasting a roster slot on a guy that has had zero chance to work on his timing in game situations?  I can understand wanting clubhouse leadership, but that's a huge waste.  Starting Bauer on short rest was questionable.  Why were Salazar and Tomlin or even Clevenger on the roster if you're going to start Bauer on short rest.  I don't care if he says he likes pitching on short rest, the stat lines for pitchers on short rest are pretty clear.  You don't do it unless you're backed into a corner.  Granted the runs were unearned, but he clearly wasn't as sharp as he was in game 1.  I'd rather take my chances with Salazar starting and going 3 or 4 innings and then have Clevenger piggyback.

Game 3 was the clincher.  Beautiful start by Carrasco, and we can't push 1 run across the plate in the bandbox that is Yankee stadium.  I think if we have Edwin for that that game it breaks differently.  After that they just started pressing too hard and played way too tight.

/rantings of a Tribe fan
//Don't mind my venting
///Slashies come in 3-2 series losses.
 
2017-10-12 11:26:50 AM  
Go Tribe!
 
2017-10-12 11:34:39 AM  

mainstreet62: balfourk: Looking forward to Altuve having more HR's than Judge during the ALCS.

He's still a rookie who just played in his first playoff series. Settle down.

The Yankees don't get to the ALCS without him.

But hey, if Altuve having more HRs means the Yankees win the ALCS, I'm all for making you happy.


I know, right?  I'm not expecting Judge to be the second coming of Babe Ruth in the playoffs.  He, Sanchez and Bird are learning what it means to be in the postseason.  I see nothing but good coming out of this run.
 
2017-10-12 11:35:16 AM  

Trainspotr: Well, if a Cubs-Indians World Series was the thing that broke the timeline last fall, maybe a Yankees-Dodgers series will correct the rupture in space-time.


I'm all for it~!
 
2017-10-12 11:36:48 AM  

max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world?


It is for FOX.  Yanks/Dodgers is their TV wet dream; the two top TV markets in the country in the WS.  That's, what, 60 million viewers in the bag before game 1 even happens?
 
2017-10-12 11:51:26 AM  

brnt00: Honestly, if the Indians couldn't get 1 quality start from the likely AL CY Young and their hottest hitters all season go silent in the playoffs, I'm not sure we deserved to move on.  I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that Kluber was hurt in some fashion and tried to pitch through it.  He's just too good, both in the regular season and last year in the playoffs, to implode like that.


Frankly I thought he looked fine yesterday, except for two pitches to Gregorius. Didn't make any sense to pull him against the #9 hitter after he struck out shiatters in 3 innings. He could probably have lasted another two innings, and maybe you wouldn't have had to go deep into your bullpen, and maybe the Yanks don't get those extra insurance runs, and then who knows what happens at the bottom of the ninth?
 
2017-10-12 11:52:23 AM  

Rwa2play: max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world?

It is for FOX.  Yanks/Dodgers is their TV wet dream; the two top TV markets in the country in the WS.  That's, what, 60 million viewers in the bag before game 1 even happens?


What is the LA market for baseball though? I wonder what their ratings are both for Dodgers games and for the World Series in general when the Dodgers aren't in it. Easy enough to look up if I had time.
 
2017-10-12 11:58:20 AM  

max_pooper: You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world? It's what baseball needs: a world series that can't end without a scrappy underdog winning.


Eh. It was a bit of snark. I'm pulling for my Cubs, but if they don't win tonight, I will be rooting for the Nats and Astros to advance. I've spent my life rooting for whichever team in each series that has gone the longest without winning the WS. And until this year, that never got in the way of rooting for the Cubs.
 
2017-10-12 11:59:38 AM  

WoodyHayes: Rwa2play: max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world?

It is for FOX.  Yanks/Dodgers is their TV wet dream; the two top TV markets in the country in the WS.  That's, what, 60 million viewers in the bag before game 1 even happens?

What is the LA market for baseball though? I wonder what their ratings are both for Dodgers games and for the World Series in general when the Dodgers aren't in it. Easy enough to look up if I had time.


Dodgers and Lakers will always draw ratings in LA. It's those two, UCLA, USC, the Raiders, the Clippers, the Rams, and then way down below everything else... the Chargers.
 
2017-10-12 12:02:22 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: WoodyHayes: Rwa2play: max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world?

It is for FOX.  Yanks/Dodgers is their TV wet dream; the two top TV markets in the country in the WS.  That's, what, 60 million viewers in the bag before game 1 even happens?

What is the LA market for baseball though? I wonder what their ratings are both for Dodgers games and for the World Series in general when the Dodgers aren't in it. Easy enough to look up if I had time.

Dodgers and Lakers will always draw ratings in LA. It's those two, UCLA, USC, the Raiders, the Clippers, the Rams, and then way down below everything else... the Chargers.


This; they're two of the first three professional teams to put roots down on the West Coast (the other being the Angels)...but they've also won more often in their first years in LA.  Thus their pull with fans.
 
2017-10-12 12:05:21 PM  

Arkanaut: Frankly I thought he looked fine yesterday, except for two pitches to Gregorius. Didn't make any sense to pull him against the #9 hitter after he struck out shiatters in 3 innings. He could probably have lasted another two innings, and maybe you wouldn't have had to go deep into your bullpen, and maybe the Yanks don't get those extra insurance runs, and then who knows what happens at the bottom of the ninth?


For the most part he did alright.  But we needed the dominant 1 ER, 3 hits, complete game Kluber to show up at least once in this series, particularly with how the offense was hitting.  Kluber was on an unbelievable tear at the end of the season.  We got league average Kluber for the playoffs somehow.  He gave up 4 homeruns in all of September and somehow gives up 4 in 6 innings of ALDS work.  Baffling.  Going into the ALDS you pretty much figure the two Kluber starts are at worse, close losses with minimal use of the bullpen.
 
2017-10-12 12:25:59 PM  

WoodyHayes: Rwa2play: max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world?

It is for FOX.  Yanks/Dodgers is their TV wet dream; the two top TV markets in the country in the WS.  That's, what, 60 million viewers in the bag before game 1 even happens?

What is the LA market for baseball though? I wonder what their ratings are both for Dodgers games and for the World Series in general when the Dodgers aren't in it. Easy enough to look up if I had time.


This year, the Dodgers were the #1 team in home attendance, and #2 in away attendance.

Their day-to-day TV ratings are another story, because of the way that Sportsnet LA (basically "The Dodger Channel") is handled.  Basically, unless you have Spectrum as your pay TV provider, you can't get Sportsnet LA.  So, if you have Cox, DirecTV, Dish, Fios, AT&T Uverse, Playstation Vue, etc., you are farked.  So ratings are depressed due to lack of universal availability.

But, yeah, a classic Yankees/Dodgers World Series is a guaranteed ratings winner.  Not only do you have both the #1 and #2 media markets covered, those two teams are two of the top three (with the Cubs) in having fans in other markets.  (IE, if you don't have a team near you, or aren't a fan of the local team, the chances are very high you are a fan of the Yankees, Dodgers, or Cubs.)
 
2017-10-12 12:30:10 PM  

max_pooper: Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.

You think two teams playing for at all that have never won world series in their 5 decades of existence is the end of the world? It's what baseball needs: a world series that can't end without a scrappy underdog winning.


At this point, the actual likely winners (The Dodgers) are almost the underdogs, considering that they haven't even been in a Series since 1988.

/hey, I said "almost"
 
2017-10-12 12:52:49 PM  
A an A's fan I have seen loses like that before, and before that and before that and ...
2013League Divisional SeriesDetroit TigersL 2-3
2012League Divisional SeriesDetroit TigersL 2-3
2003League Divisional SeriesBoston Red SoxL 2-3
2002League Divisional SeriesMinnesota TwinsL 2-3
2001League Divisional SeriesNew York YankeesL 2-3
2000League Divisional SeriesNew York YankeesL 2-3

Twice to the Yanks. Cleveland had a great season, sorry to see it end this way.
 
2017-10-12 01:40:21 PM  

brnt00: Honestly, if the Indians couldn't get 1 quality start from the likely AL CY Young and their hottest hitters all season go silent in the playoffs, I'm not sure we deserved to move on.  I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that Kluber was hurt in some fashion and tried to pitch through it.  He's just too good, both in the regular season and last year in the playoffs, to implode like that.  Twice!


Its easy to 2nd guess, but bringing in Kluber in Game 2 (too much rest), and again in Game 5 (too little rest) is going to mess with a robot like Kluber.    Tito should've known, because Kluber didn't fair well in last year's World Series when he was brought in on short rest, either.    Andrew Miller hasn't been right since the injury.  You can just 'see it'.    it was like Jose Mesa.... Used to be dominant, but then you can actually observe the skills declining by the time they hit the post season.

For Cleveland to have a such a great rotation, i'm not sure ANY pitcher should've been brought in on short rest.   Bauer couldn't handle it either.
 
2017-10-12 01:57:30 PM  

T.rex: brnt00: Honestly, if the Indians couldn't get 1 quality start from the likely AL CY Young and their hottest hitters all season go silent in the playoffs, I'm not sure we deserved to move on.  I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that Kluber was hurt in some fashion and tried to pitch through it.  He's just too good, both in the regular season and last year in the playoffs, to implode like that.  Twice!

Its easy to 2nd guess, but bringing in Kluber in Game 2 (too much rest), and again in Game 5 (too little rest) is going to mess with a robot like Kluber.    Tito should've known, because Kluber didn't fair well in last year's World Series when he was brought in on short rest, either.    Andrew Miller hasn't been right since the injury.  You can just 'see it'.    it was like Jose Mesa.... Used to be dominant, but then you can actually observe the skills declining by the time they hit the post season.

For Cleveland to have a such a great rotation, i'm not sure ANY pitcher should've been brought in on short rest.   Bauer couldn't handle it either.


The given reason for saving Kluber (on extra rest) for game 2 was to get him on normal rest for game 5. Instead of starting him on normal rest in game 1, and hoping you don't need a game 5. If there was something physically wrong with Kluber, I think you have to save Bauer for game 5, either as a starter or in relief. I thought the whole reason this Indians team was different was that they didn't have a pitching staff held together with baling wire and duct tape. If you have four healthy starters, don't try to get through a series with three of them.
 
2017-10-12 02:25:53 PM  
At least we're not Detroit! We're not Detroit!
 
2017-10-12 02:42:06 PM  

uncoveror: At least we're not Detroit! We're not Detroit!


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2017-10-12 02:58:27 PM  

Trainspotr: If you have four healthy starters, don't try to get through a series with three of them.


This was pretty baffling to me.  Salazar pitched pretty damn well in his two appearances before the postseason.  Why not start him, even if you only intend to let him go 1 or 2 times through the order, then piggyback with Tomlin or Clevenger.  I would have loved to see Carrasco get two starts too (home/road splits be damned).  Can be just as dominant as Kluber if he's on, particularly if Kluber wasn't healthy.  Oh well.
 
2017-10-12 03:53:48 PM  
Seems like Cleveland used all their good luck charms to get that Cavs championship.
 
2017-10-12 04:35:28 PM  

Trainspotr: max_pooper: No, we need a Nats/Astros series.

One vote for Armageddon, then.


It's been years now, and I STILL can't get used to the Astros being in the AL.
 
2017-10-12 04:50:10 PM  

brnt00: Honestly, if the Indians couldn't get 1 quality start from the likely AL CY Young and their hottest hitters all season go silent in the playoffs, I'm not sure we deserved to move on.  I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that Kluber was hurt in some fashion and tried to pitch through it.  He's just too good, both in the regular season and last year in the playoffs, to implode like that.  Twice!

Tito is probably the best manager the Indians have had in a long time, and I'm usually a proponent of trusting in Tito, but he had a few head scratchers:  The whole Jason Kipnis center field experiment was not very good.  He made a few catches, but his noodle arm was evident.  Runners took extra bases at will and he couldn't throw out Todd farking Frazier on a shallow fly.  Would have been better to leave him at 2nd, play Jose back at 3rd, and platoon Jackson/Chisenhall/Greg Allen in center.  Not having Yandy Diaz on the ALDS roster was bad.  He was showing signs of life since September call ups having corrected his launch angle issues.  Huge power threat.  While Urshella's glove was good to great all season, and it's hard to predict him imploding like he did in game 4, offense was needed way more then defense.  And Gio's bat is known to be an easy out.  Even having Yandy DH instead of Brantley would have been great when Edwin went down.  Which brings me to another issue, as to why the hell Brantley was on the roster.  Dude was on the DL like all season.  Why are you wasting a roster slot on a guy that has had zero chance to work on his timing in game situations?  I can understand wanting clubhouse leadership, but that's a huge waste.  Starting Bauer on short rest was questionable.  Why were Salazar and Tomlin or even Clevenger on the roster if you're going to start Bauer on short rest.  I don't care if he says he likes pitching on short rest, the stat lines for pitchers on short rest are pretty clear.  You don't do it unless you're backed into a corner.  Granted the runs were unearned, but he clearly wasn't as sharp as he was in game 1.  I'd rather take my chances with Salazar starting and going 3 or 4 innings and then have Clevenger piggyback.

Game 3 was the clincher.  Beautiful start by Carrasco, and we can't push 1 run across the plate in the bandbox that is Yankee stadium.  I think if we have Edwin for that that game it breaks differently.  After that they just started pressing too hard and played way too tight.

/rantings of a Tribe fan
//Don't mind my venting
///Slashies come in 3-2 series losses.


As a Cubs fan, I really wanted to see the Indians win it this year, if it can't be the Cubs. It would suck to come that close and not win.
 
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