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2017-10-05 08:48:22 PM  
"Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?
 
2017-10-05 09:07:57 PM  

Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?


Well, it is prejudiced in that it alludes to Nazi imagery. . . however, I don't think the Nazi imagery upsets our lil' Jason as much as the inference that Trump and his supporters are Nazis.

I've said it in another thread recently, I'll say it again: the word 'racist' is like the n-word for willfully ignorant white people. They're generally so pig-shiat ignorant that they don't understand what racism is or what it means beyond the fact that, in recent years, racists have been socially ostracized. The only way they seem to understand racism is how it affects them, the racist. They don't think about any deep sociological reason as to why the things they say might be unacceptable. . . all they know is that if they're caught being caustic, they risk losing their friends, their job, and their loved ones, and to them that's just as bad as segregation.

Anyway, that being said, that was a dumb advertisement anyway. Maybe it was just too edgy for me, but in marketing, I usually try to avoid Nazi imagery and divisive politics. . . especially when I'm selling something as mundane as farking used clothes.
 
2017-10-06 12:43:47 AM  

Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?


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2017-10-06 01:49:04 AM  

Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?


He should talk, he killed Jesus.
 
2017-10-06 02:17:37 AM  
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Twice in one day/slightly different context:
 
2017-10-06 02:18:10 AM  

Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?


It's kind of telling that the person that is intolerant of a different viewpoint and will do what it takes to put that person in their place is calling people fascists.  Project much?
 
2017-10-06 02:21:07 AM  

Summoner101: Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?

It's kind of telling that the person that is intolerant of a different viewpoint and will do what it takes to put that person in their place is calling people fascists.  Project much?


It's called projection.
 
2017-10-06 02:21:08 AM  
Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.
 
2017-10-06 02:22:08 AM  

Smoking GNU: Summoner101: Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?

It's kind of telling that the person that is intolerant of a different viewpoint and will do what it takes to put that person in their place is calling people fascists.  Project much?

It's called projection.


Thank you, Simone.
 
2017-10-06 02:22:37 AM  
Who the fark is Jason Pontius?

/that might be useful information to report
 
2017-10-06 02:25:46 AM  

MattytheMouse: Anyway, that being said, that was a dumb advertisement anyway. Maybe it was just too edgy for me, but in marketing, I usually try to avoid Nazi imagery and divisive politics. . . especially when I'm selling something as mundane as farking used clothes.


I dunno, I'm thinking that this controversy got this business far more attention and name recognition than the billboard itself would have. Hell, I live about 90 miles from Chico and ordinarily would have no reason to go there, but after reading this story, even for me it's tempting to drive up there and patronize this store as a show of support.
 
2017-10-06 02:26:33 AM  

Smoking GNU: Summoner101: Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?

It's kind of telling that the person that is intolerant of a different viewpoint and will do what it takes to put that person in their place is calling people fascists.  Project much?

It's called projection.


Offensive Projection would be more appropriate.  Accuse the others of being guilty of your crimes.  Lower the bar.  Typical fascist strategy.
 
2017-10-06 02:28:20 AM  

AquaTatanka: Who the fark is Jason Pontius?

/that might be useful information to report


If you RTFA, you'll see that he's just some random commenter on the TV station that originally reported this story's website. So basically the Chico equivalent of a random Fark user.
 
2017-10-06 02:30:56 AM  

Sarah Jessica Farker: Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.


agreed. it's clever. the billboard overall, i liked it.
 
2017-10-06 02:33:36 AM  
Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."


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Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.
 
2017-10-06 02:34:14 AM  

Cyberluddite: AquaTatanka: Who the fark is Jason Pontius?

/that might be useful information to report

If you RTFA, you'll see that he's just some random commenter on the TV station that originally reported this story's website. So basically the Chico equivalent of a random Fark user.


He's since washed his hands of the issue anyway.
 
2017-10-06 02:36:24 AM  

Summoner101: Smoking GNU: Summoner101: Cyberluddite: "Liberals are the epitome of hate and intolerance," shares Jason Pontius. "They do exactly what they preach against. The billboard exposes the business as a racist, and intolerant entity. Anyone who supports this business is an intolerant, hate filled fascist."

Ummm, how? Because it discriminates against orange people?

It's kind of telling that the person that is intolerant of a different viewpoint and will do what it takes to put that person in their place is calling people fascists.  Project much?

It's called projection.

Thank you, Simone.


Sorry, i missed the last 3 word sentence of your post there. In my defence, i just got out of bed.
 
2017-10-06 02:39:03 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."

[img.fark.net image 450x451]

Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.


Hold on, though. Since we aren't talking about freedom of speech, we're talking about standards and practices.

If they allow that pre-natal fetus garbage, which was also allowed on my college campus, that "zomg people are upset with you" argument made by the billboard owner goes RIGHT OUT THE FARKING WINDOW.
 
2017-10-06 02:46:18 AM  

Sarah Jessica Farker: Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.


That was made by a guy named Mike Mitchell.

http://www.sirmitchell.com/
 
2017-10-06 02:46:42 AM  
Can you deduct political speech as a business expense? This could lead to a headache come tax-time.
 
2017-10-06 02:54:51 AM  
on this week's episode of How to Get A Shiat-ton of Free Advertising For Your Business...
 
2017-10-06 02:55:22 AM  

DOCTORD000M: Sarah Jessica Farker: Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.

That was made by a guy named Mike Mitchell.

http://www.sirmitchell.com/


You can call yourself clever if you want, but at the end of the day who's painting swastikas all over?
 
2017-10-06 02:59:16 AM  

puffy999: Gordon Bennett: Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."

[img.fark.net image 450x451]

Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.

Hold on, though. Since we aren't talking about freedom of speech, we're talking about standards and practices.

If they allow that pre-natal fetus garbage, which was also allowed on my college campus, that "zomg people are upset with you" argument made by the billboard owner goes RIGHT OUT THE FARKING WINDOW.


thank you! I find the anti-abortion and evangelical fundie Xtian advertising highly offensive, as do many others, but they stay up.
 
2017-10-06 03:07:53 AM  

Old Smokie: DOCTORD000M: Sarah Jessica Farker: Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.

That was made by a guy named Mike Mitchell.

http://www.sirmitchell.com/

You can call yourself clever if you want, but at the end of the day who's painting swastikas all over?


??? It's not a swastika. and it is clever. it's art. I wish Mike Mitchell the best. it's damn difficult to make money in the art world. sadly there are too many scumbag POS a-holes like 'Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light' that sell unimaginative crap by the ton to lower middle class white trash america while real talented artists like M.Mitchell usually never get a chance at an art gallery exhibit.
 
2017-10-06 03:18:54 AM  
No publicity is bad publicity.
 
2017-10-06 03:26:18 AM  
Jim Moravec, the general manager of Stott Advertising, says the billboard was removed because he received complaints from people who were confused by the message.

Really? Confused? He ordered the NFL to fire black men for exercising their right of free speech and expression and called them sonsabiatches while he referred to Neo Nazis as "many fine people".

I submit these weren't actually people. Maybe confused dehydrated slugs but not confused people.
 
2017-10-06 03:36:34 AM  

Kirablue42: puffy999: Gordon Bennett: Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."

[img.fark.net image 450x451]

Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.

Hold on, though. Since we aren't talking about freedom of speech, we're talking about standards and practices.

If they allow that pre-natal fetus garbage, which was also allowed on my college campus, that "zomg people are upset with you" argument made by the billboard owner goes RIGHT OUT THE FARKING WINDOW.

thank you! I find the anti-abortion and evangelical fundie Xtian advertising highly offensive, as do many others, but they stay up.


As so many people forget, the first amendment only covers the government restricting speech.  This wasn't the government, but rather a private business.  It might have been wrong for him to take down the sign after he agreed to put it up, but it is by no means a violation of her rights.  If there was a problem with the message on the billboard being confusing, that should have been caught before they put it up.

If you believe that the anti-abortion signs are offensive, you can do something about it.  Call the billboard company and tell them your find it offensive.  And then tell them that not only will you never purchase billboard space from them, but you're going to boycott ever other business that currently advertises with them.

And to the owner of the clothing store, the billboard company is in breach of contract, so get your money back, and go spend it with another company that will leave it up.  But no, your free speech rights were not violated.
 
2017-10-06 03:46:00 AM  

Kirablue42: puffy999: Gordon Bennett: Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."

[img.fark.net image 450x451]

Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.

Hold on, though. Since we aren't talking about freedom of speech, we're talking about standards and practices.

If they allow that pre-natal fetus garbage, which was also allowed on my college campus, that "zomg people are upset with you" argument made by the billboard owner goes RIGHT OUT THE FARKING WINDOW.

thank you! I find the anti-abortion and evangelical fundie Xtian advertising highly offensive, as do many others, but they stay up.


Have you contacted the company that owns the billboards to complain?
 
2017-10-06 03:59:43 AM  

Gordon Bennett: thank you! I find the anti-abortion and evangelical fundie Xtian advertising highly offensive, as do many others, but they stay up.


Have you contacted the company that owns the billboards to complain?


I like what you're getting at... retired people shouldn't be allowed to drive OR use phones.

It's f*cking MAGIC. Let's roll with it!
 
2017-10-06 04:14:04 AM  
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2017-10-06 04:14:55 AM  
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2017-10-06 04:18:12 AM  
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/all these apparently okay
 
2017-10-06 04:27:15 AM  

Summoner101: [www.alternet.org image 310x265]

/all these apparently okay


....
In some cultures, technically that's exactly what you do when you masturbate to orgasm.
 
2017-10-06 04:40:51 AM  
Chico is a weird town. It's a hell of a melting pot of everything from right wing survivalist types in the hills to conservative farmers and cowboys to party town to college student and old hippy liberals to burn-it-all-down anarchists to extreme libertarians (think Ron Swanson). I have a number of Chico folk in my Facebook feed that are currently divided between Las Vegas false flag theorists and others who are extremely outspoken against the trump administration.

Whoever came up with this campaign had either extreme tunnel vision and didn't see an issue with it, or knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

I'm among those who see that this isn't a freedom of speech issue, as there is no government censorship involved, but would also suggest the business owners find a marketing company that would stand by their contract. The billboard owners should basically tell people who are complaining "hey, we understand why you are upset, but your issue isn't with us, it's with the company advertising." If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't have accepted the contract and then put up the image after having seen it.
 
2017-10-06 05:12:56 AM  

paranand: Chico is a weird town. It's a hell of a melting pot of everything from right wing survivalist types in the hills to conservative farmers and cowboys to party town to college student and old hippy liberals to burn-it-all-down anarchists to extreme libertarians (think Ron Swanson). I have a number of Chico folk in my Facebook feed that are currently divided between Las Vegas false flag theorists and others who are extremely outspoken against the trump administration.

Whoever came up with this campaign had either extreme tunnel vision and didn't see an issue with it, or knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

I'm among those who see that this isn't a freedom of speech issue, as there is no government censorship involved, but would also suggest the business owners find a marketing company that would stand by their contract. The billboard owners should basically tell people who are complaining "hey, we understand why you are upset, but your issue isn't with us, it's with the company advertising." If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't have accepted the contract and then put up the image after having seen it.


The company said the complaints were that it wasn't clear that Rouse and Revolt was a business. It was unclear that it wasn't a message to act and was the name of a store
 
2017-10-06 05:21:05 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Jim Moravec, the general manager of Stott Advertising, says the billboard was removed because he received complaints from people who were confused by the message.

Really? Confused? He ordered the NFL to fire black men for exercising their right of free speech and expression and called them sonsabiatches while he referred to Neo Nazis as "many fine people".

I submit these weren't actually people. Maybe confused dehydrated slugs but not confused people.


Really?  I didn't know he asked them to only fire the black players and spare the white ones...  learn something new everyday.
 
2017-10-06 05:22:14 AM  

Summoner101: [www.alternet.org image 310x265]

/all these apparently okay


Actually, the masturbation one with the flaming hand is pretty cool. Almost a post-ironic art piece.
 
2017-10-06 05:35:58 AM  

stirfrybry: paranand: Chico is a weird town. It's a hell of a melting pot of everything from right wing survivalist types in the hills to conservative farmers and cowboys to party town to college student and old hippy liberals to burn-it-all-down anarchists to extreme libertarians (think Ron Swanson). I have a number of Chico folk in my Facebook feed that are currently divided between Las Vegas false flag theorists and others who are extremely outspoken against the trump administration.

Whoever came up with this campaign had either extreme tunnel vision and didn't see an issue with it, or knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

I'm among those who see that this isn't a freedom of speech issue, as there is no government censorship involved, but would also suggest the business owners find a marketing company that would stand by their contract. The billboard owners should basically tell people who are complaining "hey, we understand why you are upset, but your issue isn't with us, it's with the company advertising." If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't have accepted the contract and then put up the image after having seen it.

The company said the complaints were that it wasn't clear that Rouse and Revolt was a business. It was unclear that it wasn't a message to act and was the name of a store


So what? There are plenty of billboards that propagate points of view whether political or religious. They saw the ad and posted it. If they had any qualms about it, perhaps they should have raised the issue with the business beforehand. And there is still nothing preventing them from redirecting complaints to the business.
 
2017-10-06 06:24:39 AM  

paranand: stirfrybry: paranand: Chico is a weird town. It's a hell of a melting pot of everything from right wing survivalist types in the hills to conservative farmers and cowboys to party town to college student and old hippy liberals to burn-it-all-down anarchists to extreme libertarians (think Ron Swanson). I have a number of Chico folk in my Facebook feed that are currently divided between Las Vegas false flag theorists and others who are extremely outspoken against the trump administration.

Whoever came up with this campaign had either extreme tunnel vision and didn't see an issue with it, or knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

I'm among those who see that this isn't a freedom of speech issue, as there is no government censorship involved, but would also suggest the business owners find a marketing company that would stand by their contract. The billboard owners should basically tell people who are complaining "hey, we understand why you are upset, but your issue isn't with us, it's with the company advertising." If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't have accepted the contract and then put up the image after having seen it.

The company said the complaints were that it wasn't clear that Rouse and Revolt was a business. It was unclear that it wasn't a message to act and was the name of a store

So what? There are plenty of billboards that propagate points of view whether political or religious. They saw the ad and posted it. If they had any qualms about it, perhaps they should have raised the issue with the business beforehand. And there is still nothing preventing them from redirecting complaints to the business.


So what? There is no what. It's just the reason the company gave.
Probably because they didn't want to be held liable for inciting some antifa to commit violent acts and then cite the billboard's message "Rouse and Revolt" as their inspiration.
 
2017-10-06 06:59:04 AM  

sinko swimo: Old Smokie: DOCTORD000M: Sarah Jessica Farker: Say what you want, but that "45" with the slash through it looking all swastika-like is one damned fine piece of graphic design.

That was made by a guy named Mike Mitchell.

http://www.sirmitchell.com/

You can call yourself clever if you want, but at the end of the day who's painting swastikas all over?

??? It's not a swastika. and it is clever. it's art. I wish Mike Mitchell the best. it's damn difficult to make money in the art world. sadly there are too many scumbag POS a-holes like 'Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light' that sell unimaginative crap by the ton to lower middle class white trash america while real talented artists like M.Mitchell usually never get a chance at an art gallery exhibit.


What a shame you can't force people to buy your art.
 
2017-10-06 07:03:53 AM  

stirfrybry: paranand: stirfrybry: paranand: Chico is a weird town. It's a hell of a melting pot of everything from right wing survivalist types in the hills to conservative farmers and cowboys to party town to college student and old hippy liberals to burn-it-all-down anarchists to extreme libertarians (think Ron Swanson). I have a number of Chico folk in my Facebook feed that are currently divided between Las Vegas false flag theorists and others who are extremely outspoken against the trump administration.

Whoever came up with this campaign had either extreme tunnel vision and didn't see an issue with it, or knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

I'm among those who see that this isn't a freedom of speech issue, as there is no government censorship involved, but would also suggest the business owners find a marketing company that would stand by their contract. The billboard owners should basically tell people who are complaining "hey, we understand why you are upset, but your issue isn't with us, it's with the company advertising." If they aren't willing to do that, they shouldn't have accepted the contract and then put up the image after having seen it.

The company said the complaints were that it wasn't clear that Rouse and Revolt was a business. It was unclear that it wasn't a message to act and was the name of a store

So what? There are plenty of billboards that propagate points of view whether political or religious. They saw the ad and posted it. If they had any qualms about it, perhaps they should have raised the issue with the business beforehand. And there is still nothing preventing them from redirecting complaints to the business.

So what? There is no what. It's just the reason the company gave.
Probably because they didn't want to be held liable for inciting some antifa to commit violent acts and then cite the billboard's message "Rouse and Revolt" as their inspiration.


And do those same advertising companies worry about liability if somebody attacks a health clinic because of a pro-life advertisement? My point stands - either say "if you have a problem, then take it up with the company" or decline the contract to begin with. Regardless, it's the adage of no publicity being bad publicity and all sides stand to benefit from the attention.
 
2017-10-06 08:14:28 AM  
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2017-10-06 08:42:41 AM  

Summoner101: [www.alternet.org image 310x265]

/all these apparently okay


There's a logical solution to that!

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2017-10-06 08:52:55 AM  
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2017-10-06 09:19:57 AM  
The Streisand effect is in full force.
 
2017-10-06 09:28:35 AM  

Kirablue42: puffy999: Gordon Bennett: Rouse and Revolt Owner Nicole Haber says her contract with Stott has been breached and her right to freedom of speech obstructed.
Haber says issue-oriented billboards are common in Chico, whether promoting Christianity with an image of Jesus or taking a stand against abortion with a photo of a fetus, and she feels her statement was singled out.
"We are fundamentally built on a freedom of speech and I was just practicing my right," she says. "If you get to exercise that right. I get to exercise that right."

[img.fark.net image 450x451]

Once again, freedom of speech does not entitle you to force someone else to publish your message.

Hold on, though. Since we aren't talking about freedom of speech, we're talking about standards and practices.

If they allow that pre-natal fetus garbage, which was also allowed on my college campus, that "zomg people are upset with you" argument made by the billboard owner goes RIGHT OUT THE FARKING WINDOW.

thank you! I find the anti-abortion and evangelical fundie Xtian advertising highly offensive, as do many others, but they stay up.


Then stay out of central florida. Damn, those things go on until you hit the first plastic surgery billboard on the West palm/ ft lauderdale border. It's like some everglades spice on some fried chicken around here.
 
2017-10-06 10:04:16 AM  
If there's one thing that defines Nazis, it's their hatred of everything Jewish.

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2017-10-06 10:24:52 AM  
Reduce Road Rage!
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/  seriously - there's enough ugly in the world and esp. along roadsides - don't add to it
 
2017-10-06 10:31:04 AM  

Summoner101: [www.alternet.org image 310x265]

/all these apparently okay


Wait. Is is real? Seriously?
 
2017-10-06 10:40:19 AM  

Summoner101: [www.alternet.org image 310x265]

/all these apparently okay


*looks at pic of hand*

there's a cream for that...
 
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