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(LA Times)   Guy who invented a form of therapy - AAAAAHHHHHHIIAAAAHHHHHHH - in the 70's, which would seem to be -- AAAAAHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRHHHHHGGG - even more appropriate today -- AAAAOOOORRRRHHHHHHAAAAAA - has died   ( latimes.com) divider line
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2017-10-04 08:53:19 PM  
You don't have to yell about it
 
2017-10-04 09:03:32 PM  
Don't know how to tell subby this gently but, Sam Kinison has been dead for decades.
 
2017-10-04 09:15:02 PM  
Klingon Death Ritual
Youtube F4muMJe6hPM
 
2017-10-04 09:56:44 PM  
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2017-10-05 01:21:35 AM  
You just gotta say, Motley Crue misses him.
 
2017-10-05 01:52:45 AM  
Primal Scream - Loaded (Original Video)
Youtube vDK2svrGG_c
 
2017-10-05 02:53:09 AM  
Tears For Fears - Shout
Youtube Ye7FKc1JQe4
 
2017-10-05 02:59:03 AM  
When I accidentally hit my finger with a hammer and start swearing -- is that primal scream therapy?

It does make me feel better btw.
 
2017-10-05 03:01:05 AM  
Hmm...never heard of the guy but I am a fan of taking a late night drive and screaming along to some Soundgarden tunes...

Soundgarden - Mind Riot [Studio Version]
Youtube oPxowzz8rtQ
 
2017-10-05 03:08:29 AM  
Hm I wonder if EST is still a thing.
 
2017-10-05 03:12:53 AM  

Freschel: EST


AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.
 
2017-10-05 03:18:26 AM  

UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.


Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.
 
2017-10-05 03:25:45 AM  
The Isley Brothers - Shout
Youtube nEjLFpU2pJ4
 
2017-10-05 03:27:45 AM  

Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.

Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.


I just read an article that mostly focused on using psilocybin combined with therapy. Just one of their theories so far is that psychedelics actually decrease brain activity, but in a way that re-routes memories/thought patterns so they're not as disturbing. A decrease in brain activity might sound bad but it's the same effect you get from meditation (per the article). So achieving enlightenment isn't exactly the goal of the therapy, just re-routing the brain to achieve a more positive affect in people with PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc.

Here's a similar article: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2144520-psychedelic-med​icine-the-​potential-the-people-the-politics/
 
2017-10-05 04:12:23 AM  
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2017-10-05 04:27:24 AM  
Mötley Crüe - Primal Scream
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2017-10-05 05:01:44 AM  

UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.


Naw est was a 70s group "therapy " thing
 
2017-10-05 05:06:04 AM  

Micro-aggressive Trigger Warning: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/acKdFfc8JiM]


How can this not have been the first damn song posted in the thread.  I've very disappointed in Fark.
 
2017-10-05 05:15:58 AM  
Well Well Well - John Lennon (Remastered 2010)
Youtube mkNQNWDsOaA
 
2017-10-05 05:52:07 AM  
[Reads headline]

Sam Kinison died again?
 
2017-10-05 07:20:31 AM  

Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.

Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.


You're put under for it.  They're trying to shock your brain out of its normal patterns, not torture you.
 
2017-10-05 07:23:16 AM  
Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson - Scream (Official Video)
Youtube 0P4A1K4lXDo
 
2017-10-05 07:26:04 AM  

Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.

Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.


I'm betting you also think giving patients medication is poisoning them and physical therapy is actually forcing patients to do stuff that hurts because it's amusing.
 
2017-10-05 07:59:09 AM  
Fark screaming. Laughing is the answer. This appears to have the same, uh, scientific credibility as Primal Therapy:

Laughing Yoga original by Yogi Ramesh Padney
Youtube 3dpNS2l7jNs
 
2017-10-05 08:00:19 AM  
I had to quit being a primal scream therapist because my patients could never hear what I was saying.  I guess I could've screamed back, but I didn't have any problems to work out...
 
2017-10-05 08:00:33 AM  

AuralArgument: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ye7FKc1JQe4]


Name checks out ..
 
2017-10-05 08:43:29 AM  
 
2017-10-05 09:24:11 AM  
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2017-10-05 09:36:43 AM  
"He included homosexuality as a curable condition"

WTF?  And we celebrate this quack?
 
2017-10-05 10:54:26 AM  
Therapy is one thing but sometimes you need medication
Primal Scream - Medication
Youtube teceoajezdM
 
2017-10-05 10:55:20 AM  

TappingTheVein: Fark screaming. Laughing is the answer. This appears to have the same, uh, scientific credibility as Primal Therapy:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/3dpNS2l7jNs]


Hah!  I was just going to post one of his.  When I read the headline, that's who I thought they were talking about.
 
2017-10-05 11:10:30 AM  
More appropriate for today?  It's in common use as political argument substitute.
 
2017-10-05 11:39:50 AM  
No, not Electro-shock, EST was the brainchild of self-help pioneer Werner Erhard

It later became the mildly culty Landmark Forum (later Landmark Education and something else now)

It was John Lennon who ruined the voice of Harry Nillson with too much Primal Screaming and blow
 
2017-10-05 05:07:38 PM  

UsikFark: Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.

Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.

I just read an article that mostly focused on using psilocybin combined with therapy. Just one of their theories so far is that psychedelics actually decrease brain activity, but in a way that re-routes memories/thought patterns so they're not as disturbing. A decrease in brain activity might sound bad but it's the same effect you get from meditation (per the article). So achieving enlightenment isn't exactly the goal of the therapy, just re-routing the brain to achieve a more positive affect in people with PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc.

Here's a similar article: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2144520-psychedelic-medi​cine-the-potential-the-people-the-politics/


I would jump at such an opportunity if I ever was presented with it. I haven't, and knowing that this exists and I have no access to it adds to my depression.

and also, for the record, I know the difference between EST and ECT, and was directing my comments towards ECT. I read the poster's comments that the patients are "put under" for this, however, I have personally talked to someone that had them done to them and she reported it as a traumatic experience and one she didnt' want to repeat and was afraid to tell her psychiatrist how depressed she still was for fear it would be repeated. I was an inpatient myself at the time for post partum depression, and after hearing her say this, I made sure to let my own shrink know my depression was getting much better. That was decades ago, in 1992, however. Maybe it is more "humane" now. However, also, given my experiences with psychiatrists who see someone for fifteen minutes every six months and offlabel prescribe inappropriate medications for ptsd like seroquel, I haven't seen any personal evidence to think that psychiatrists are anything other than experimenters and pill pushers.

I would love to see a therapist who specializes in complex ptsd, I would love to have the kind of experience as well that the article I quoted the poster providing as well..the opportunity and the means just aren't there for me. It is what it is.
 
2017-10-05 06:14:29 PM  

Kirablue42: UsikFark: Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST


I would jump at such an opportunity if I ever was presented with it. I haven't, and knowing that this exists and I have no access to it adds to my depression.

and also, for the record, I know the difference between EST and ECT, and was directing my comments towards ECT. I read the poster's comments that the patients are "put under" for this, however, I have personally talked to someone that had them done to them and she reported it as a traumatic experience and one she didnt' want to repeat and was afraid to tell her psychiatrist how depressed she still was for fear it would be repeated. I was an inpatient myself at the time for post par ...


I would bet you there is a therapist in your area that specializes in trauma. Look on the innertubes
and see. Psychiatrists are, basically, as you describe them. But you need therapy to go along with it.
just getting pills isn't going to get anyone anything. Talking to someone will. PLEASE look for someone
to talk to also.If you can't afford what they initially ask you to pay for a session, ask how to lower the
rate..
 
2017-10-06 04:07:31 AM  

Kirablue42: UsikFark: Kirablue42: UsikFark: Freschel: EST

AKA ECT? Yes. You can go get some ECT at the Mayo Clinic if you like. At least until they figure out if something like psychedelics+therapy does any better on a large scale.

Yeah, rather than have someone who listens and reach possible enlightenment, it is standard practice to shock someone with electricity, and not call it torture, but a medical application, and then call the patient "cured" if they no longer say they are suicidal or depressed but say the "treatment" has helped. If I was being tortured, I'd say anyfarkingthing to make it stop, too.

primal screaming, wacky as that is, is far less harmful, in my view.

I just read an article that mostly focused on using psilocybin combined with therapy. Just one of their theories so far is that psychedelics actually decrease brain activity, but in a way that re-routes memories/thought patterns so they're not as disturbing. A decrease in brain activity might sound bad but it's the same effect you get from meditation (per the article). So achieving enlightenment isn't exactly the goal of the therapy, just re-routing the brain to achieve a more positive affect in people with PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc.

Here's a similar article: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2144520-psychedelic-medi​cine-the-potential-the-people-the-politics/

I would jump at such an opportunity if I ever was presented with it. I haven't, and knowing that this exists and I have no access to it adds to my depression.

and also, for the record, I know the difference between EST and ECT, and was directing my comments towards ECT. I read the poster's comments that the patients are "put under" for this, however, I have personally talked to someone that had them done to them and she reported it as a traumatic experience and one she didnt' want to repeat and was afraid to tell her psychiatrist how depressed she still was for fear it would be repeated. I was an inpatient myself at the time for post partum depression, and after hearing her say this, I made sure to let my own shrink know my depression was getting much better. That was decades ago, in 1992, however. Maybe it is more "humane" now. However, also, given my experiences with psychiatrists who see someone for fifteen minutes every six months and offlabel prescribe inappropriate medications for ptsd like seroquel, I haven't seen any personal evidence to think that psychiatrists are anything other than experimenters and pill pushers.

I would love to see a therapist who specializes in complex ptsd, I would love to have the kind of experience as well that the article I quoted the poster providing as well..the opportunity and the means just aren't there for me. It is what it is.


Over the past few decades psychiatrists moved away from therapy and let therapists specialize in that. Unless you find a really old one, they're probably going to focus on medication. As far as prescribing habits, my comment is results may vary but I wouldn't be surprised if every depressed/anxious patient hears about seroquel since it's the new kid on the block.

I doubt anyone outside of 20-patient research studies is getting psilocybin but I think I know how you feel. It's like hope is right over there *points finger* but it's illegal and dangerous (unless you're a mushroom expert).
 
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