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(Alaska Dispatch News)   Anchorage Police say they don't have the resources to chase car thieves, but if you do it yourself they do have the resources to charge you with reckless driving   ( adn.com) divider line
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2017-10-04 07:02:03 PM  
Alaska.
 
2017-10-04 07:10:42 PM  
Actually with some quick Google searching it looks like Anchorages PD has maybe half the number of officers as it's population would suggest and is woefully underfunded.
 
2017-10-04 08:56:57 PM  
Cops don't like it when you make them look incompetent.   Just deputize the A-Team and let them handle it.

/Justice should trump ego
 
2017-10-04 08:56:58 PM  
Good, he should be charged, I don't know about Alaska but most police agencies by now won't get involved in high speed pursuits over property, it ain't worth wiping out soccer mom and the kids over a 1000 dollar pos honda, and especially mister tough guy in his no lights or siren rig.
 
2017-10-04 09:06:06 PM  
I can see the point. Theft is only a property crime. Reckless driving can kill people.
 
2017-10-04 09:06:55 PM  

abiigdog: Good, he should be charged, I don't know about Alaska but most police agencies by now won't get involved in high speed pursuits over property, it ain't worth wiping out soccer mom and the kids over a 1000 dollar pos honda, and especially mister tough guy in his no lights or siren rig.


This. Who pays the bill when he inevitably wrecks and hurts himself badly during a high speed chase?
 
2017-10-04 09:08:21 PM  
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2017-10-04 09:10:18 PM  
Oh, lord, here's the next Discovery Channel series...

Mike Rowe's voice: "On the next Alaskan Vigilante..."
 
2017-10-04 09:16:32 PM  
I have nothing to add to this thread other than I am sitting in the Anchorage airport having a cocktail at the moment.

/Los Anchorage. Drive right through the big city and don't stop unless you are going to see a concert. Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.
 
2017-10-04 09:20:09 PM  

darrenhusz: I have nothing to add to this thread other than I am sitting in the Anchorage airport having a cocktail at the moment.

/Los Anchorage. Drive right through the big city and don't stop unless you are going to see a concert. Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.


As they say, Anchorage is only ten minutes away from Alaska.
 
2017-10-04 09:24:22 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: darrenhusz: I have nothing to add to this thread other than I am sitting in the Anchorage airport having a cocktail at the moment.

/Los Anchorage. Drive right through the big city and don't stop unless you are going to see a concert. Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.

As they say, Anchorage is only ten minutes away from Alaska.


Heh. That was my impression when I was there a long time ago when my mother was in the hospital there. Drive 10 minutes one way, you're at the ocean. Drive 10 minutes another way, you're in the mountains. 10 minutes another way, forest. Kind of nice, actually. What wasn't that nice was that it was May, and parking lots still had piles of plowed snow in them.
 
2017-10-04 09:27:11 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: darrenhusz: I have nothing to add to this thread other than I am sitting in the Anchorage airport having a cocktail at the moment.

/Los Anchorage. Drive right through the big city and don't stop unless you are going to see a concert. Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.

As they say, Anchorage is only ten minutes away from Alaska.


I was going to page you to the thread as I know you live here. our joke is Anchorage isn't Alaska, but you can see it from there.

/waiting for my flight back to Homer.
//haven't taken my keys out of my ignition in Homer in 10 years.
 
2017-10-04 09:29:16 PM  
Although I can understand the frustration...

Car theft rates in Anchorage are through the roof -- 1,500 from January to July alone. There have been at least three dealerships attacked by an organized ring in the last two weeks -- they steal a car, drive it through the dealership gates to gain access, break in, and steal dozens of keys for new cars so they can come back later and take those.

The only theory I can muster is that we have an Uber for crime somewhere outside of the city.

Any recent violent crime, robbery, drive-by, etc., is always done in a stolen car.

It's not likely that they're selling the stolen cars, or even breaking them down for parts, as it costs a lot of money to ship a car Outside, and nobody is going to risk taking a stolen car through Canada with border stops; and Anchorage itself has a limited market for cars. We're geographically small, and it seems like a hot car would be easy to spot and hard to launder the registration for.

I'm betting somewhere out in the Valley, outside of town, hidden by trees and tarps, there is a cache of stolen cars ready to sell/rent at discount for disposable use in gang-related crime.
 
2017-10-04 09:29:44 PM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: I can see the point. Theft is only a property crime. Reckless driving can kill people.


I'd like to know how much of the charge is reckless driving, and how much is "don't do our job".

Local police weren't happy when I found my own stolen car by posting on Craigslist. It conflicted with the false paperwork they'd filled out.
 
2017-10-04 09:32:31 PM  
Anchorage is a dusty, corrupt little town. I lived there for twenty years and I was happy to finally see it in my rear-view mirror. Ten years later, I can still recognize the same cast who get re-elected time after time.
 
2017-10-04 09:33:47 PM  

davidphogan: RoomFullOfMonkeys: I can see the point. Theft is only a property crime. Reckless driving can kill people.

I'd like to know how much of the charge is reckless driving, and how much is "don't do our job".

Local police weren't happy when I found my own stolen car by posting on Craigslist. It conflicted with the false paperwork they'd filled out.


It's a little of both. They don't want vigilantes. Neither do I -- vigilantes always cause more problems than they solve.

Like APD asked -- if you see a stolen car, call them. Follow them at a distance if you wish and keep police updated -- nothing wrong with distant surveillance and reporting.

But don't confront them, and if they spot you and take off, let them go. Don't put yourself or others in danger.
 
2017-10-04 09:34:41 PM  

lenfromak: Anchorage is a dusty, corrupt little town. I lived there for twenty years and I was happy to finally see it in my rear-view mirror. Ten years later, I can still recognize the same cast who get re-elected time after time.


And yet you still have to pass through on your commute to and from work.
 
2017-10-04 09:34:54 PM  

darrenhusz: our joke is Anchorage isn't Alaska, but you can see it from there...


Well sure, Anchorage is only about as redneck as rural Alabama. Clearly you can't allow those kind of Libby libs into the club.
 
2017-10-04 09:47:53 PM  
Nearly all have had their cars stolen. And most had found them via Facebook groups and a loosely affiliated crew known as the "A-Team," of which Floyd Hall is the core member.

OK, so they find cars. That's fine. They could just do so in a safe manner after calling the police. If cops didn't know anything about a car theft, then all they saw was a reckless driver.

I don't pity the fool.
 
2017-10-04 09:48:09 PM  

darrenhusz: Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.


I love that locking your car door is considered rough and tough big city advise in Alaska.
 
2017-10-04 09:51:59 PM  
Police do not like competition.
 
2017-10-04 09:55:10 PM  
Good. This guy is starting with the small criminals like car thieves. Next we should go after the big fish and keep the police in line.
 
2017-10-04 10:07:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: darrenhusz: our joke is Anchorage isn't Alaska, but you can see it from there...

Well sure, Anchorage is only about as redneck as rural Alabama. Clearly you can't allow those kind of Libby libs into the club.


That explains why we're the most diverse city in the US, with a Jewish Democrat mayor from Harvard and Cambridge.
 
2017-10-04 10:09:31 PM  

ChimpNipples: Police do not like competition.


Pretty much sums it up.

They're probably on the take from the car thieves - or they are the car thieves.
 
2017-10-04 10:15:02 PM  

thurstonxhowell: darrenhusz: Lock your doors  to your car if you get out.

I love that locking your car door is considered rough and tough big city advise in Alaska.


Well, if you spend 99% of your life in a town of 5000 people you pretty much know everyone and what vehicle they drive. I've never locked my house door nor my vehicle. We don't have crime in small communities. Traveling to the big city is a different story, and you have to act accordingly.
 
2017-10-04 10:28:04 PM  

davidphogan: RoomFullOfMonkeys: I can see the point. Theft is only a property crime. Reckless driving can kill people.

I'd like to know how much of the charge is reckless driving, and how much is "don't do our job".

Local police weren't happy when I found my own stolen car by posting on Craigslist. It conflicted with the false paperwork they'd filled out.


THIS
 
2017-10-04 10:45:07 PM  

veale728: This. Who pays the bill when he inevitably wrecks and hurts himself badly during a high speed chase?


The tax payers; who, incidentally, have been paying the cops NOT to do sh*t about their stolen property for years...

/If they're going to pay for something, at least let them pay for a thing that may benefit them.
 
2017-10-04 10:47:34 PM  
If all the cops do is write tickets and solve no crime, fire them.
 
2017-10-04 10:53:18 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: davidphogan: RoomFullOfMonkeys: I can see the point. Theft is only a property crime. Reckless driving can kill people.

I'd like to know how much of the charge is reckless driving, and how much is "don't do our job".

Local police weren't happy when I found my own stolen car by posting on Craigslist. It conflicted with the false paperwork they'd filled out.

It's a little of both. They don't want vigilantes. Neither do I -- vigilantes always cause more problems than they solve.

Like APD asked -- if you see a stolen car, call them. Follow them at a distance if you wish and keep police updated -- nothing wrong with distant surveillance and reporting.

But don't confront them, and if they spot you and take off, let them go. Don't put yourself or others in danger.


I called the local cops and they told me they couldn't respond unless I was with my stolen car.

A tow company solved that riddle.
 
2017-10-04 11:38:38 PM  

Goimir: If all the cops do is write tickets and solve no crime, fire them.


Don't forget shooting black people, they do that too.
 
2017-10-05 12:01:18 AM  

abiigdog: Good, he should be charged, I don't know about Alaska but most police agencies by now won't get involved in high speed pursuits over property, it ain't worth wiping out soccer mom and the kids over a 1000 dollar pos honda, and especially mister tough guy in his no lights or siren rig.


Cool, there's a place where stealing a truck and using it to steal an ATM won't be pursued.  I'm sure there's a few people who would love that info.  Granted, you must have plenty of money, and insurance that you would be never put out by someone stealing your car.

Because you have noticed this isn't simply about chases, those cops aren't even investigating the car thefts.  Floyd is all those people have to get their cars back.  He's more detective than chaser, yet you want him fried.
 
2017-10-05 12:21:37 AM  
Showing up the cops by doing their job better. Thats an arrestin.
 
2017-10-05 01:52:04 AM  
Isn't the solution obvious? Steal the car you chase them with.
 
2017-10-05 01:56:31 AM  
Why is this so hard to understand? Imagine you're a cop. Who would you rather deal with, a criminal who is potentially highly dangerous, and will cost you money to put in jail, or a normal citizen who obviously believes in following the law (for the most part), and will *give* you money from the fines you levy? The citizen seems the obvious choice. He's much less likely to shoot you, and he's gonna pay for some shiny new cop toys.
 
2017-10-05 04:27:33 AM  
TFA is a little thin on details.  Isn't reckless driving something that the officer has to personally witness?  And if they did witness it wouldn't the thief shooting at Hall be the crime they should be more concerned about?
 
2017-10-05 04:53:40 AM  
ANot so CSB.  Mrs. Relax had her car stolen.  The Police showed up after about a 1/2 hour, filled out a report but were pretty much 'sucks to be you' about the whole thing.

Almost a year later I'm walking downtown and sonofabiatch if her car doesn't go right by me.  Ffffuuuu.  I'm on foot but try and follow it the best I can.  Spot it a few minutes later leaving a parking lot.  Ffffuuuu.  Call 911 and then have to spend the next 10 minutes explaining that my wife's car was stolen a while ago and I just spotted it.  Towards the end of the conversation, I swear to God, the dispatcher says "What do you want us to do?"  Ffffuuuu.  "Hold on. I'll transfer you to auto theft.  Spend another 10 minutes repeating the same story I just finished telling the dispatcher.  "Ok, where are you at?  We'll send an officer".  Spend another 20 minutes waiting on a patrol car to show up. Finally get a call on my phone from a cop who tells me they'll let the cars in the area to keep an eye out for it.

My tax dollars at work.  Not so CSB
 
2017-10-05 04:56:36 AM  

abiigdog: Good, he should be charged, I don't know about Alaska but most police agencies by now won't get involved in high speed pursuits over property, it ain't worth wiping out soccer mom and the kids over a 1000 dollar pos honda, and especially mister tough guy in his no lights or siren rig.


You know how I know you've never had your car stolen and been subjected to complete indifference by the police?
 
2017-10-05 05:10:48 AM  
 
2017-10-05 05:13:12 AM  

DarkVader: ChimpNipples: Police do not like competition.

Pretty much sums it up.

They're probably on the take from the car thieves - or they are the car thieves.


Ah yup.

http://khon2.com/2016/03/21/hpd-officer-found-guilty-of-trafficking-s​t​olen-vehicle
 
2017-10-05 05:37:06 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Stuff like this is why the PD doesn't give a rats ass about car theft.

http://khon2.com/2016/09/23/city-prosecutor-explains-why-man-arrested-​inside-stolen-car-was-not-charged


Meanwhile, in Anchorage they're trying to pass a law that says being a passenger in a stolen car is a crime in and of itself, whether or not you knew the car was stolen.

They say anyone in the passenger seat *should* be able to figure out it was stolen, so they have a clean conscience about the whole thing.
 
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