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2017-09-30 08:12:09 AM  
Yeah I couldn't get through the first one. But I really do want to know what happens to the rough and rugged Marine, the thoughtful scientist, the heartless businessman, and the wise and beautiful princess's kind boyfriend. This franchise will be for illiterates who would read fantasy and science fiction if they could read. I guess it does serve a purpose.
 
2017-09-30 08:14:34 AM  
Are there that many direct-to-masking-tape Ferngully sequels to crib plots from?
 
2017-09-30 08:20:01 AM  
*Yawn*
 
2017-09-30 08:50:00 AM  
The problem is that they put all the 3D into the video and 1D into the characters.  I managed to watch some of the first one, and after about 5 minutes I wanted the entire universe wiped out.
 
2017-09-30 09:10:20 AM  
I recall very little about 1. What I do recall was that visually it was pretty neat, and also that I didn't really care about any of the characters in the story.
 
2017-09-30 09:13:11 AM  
I enjoyed the first one. The visuals and 3D were exceptionally good. The story has been told many times before and since. Can't see where they plan to go with a sequel.
 
2017-09-30 09:13:14 AM  
The effects helped gloss over the simple plot for me but I don't need more.
 
2017-09-30 09:15:04 AM  
Any chance this could do such damage to their finances they're forced to sell X-Men and FF to Disney?
 
2017-09-30 09:17:27 AM  
Any chance they shut down Fox News?
 
2017-09-30 09:17:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The problem is that they put all the 3D into the video and 1D into the characters.  I managed to watch some of the first one, and after about 5 minutes I wanted the entire universe wiped out.


I think that's the reason Avatar seems to have disappeared so much from public view after its theatrical run.  In a theatre, with the big screen and the state of the art sound system and your 3D glasses on, it's an amazing, absorbing experience.  Get home and watch it on video, on your broke-ass TV while you're distracted by other things, and you say, "Wait, this is 'Dances with Wolves' crossed with 'Ferngully'!"
 
2017-09-30 09:19:46 AM  
You're first
I'm last
You're thirst
I'm asked to justify
Killing our last heaven beast
Don't hunt the whale

"I can totally make a movie from that" - James Cameron
 
2017-09-30 09:21:37 AM  

Persnickety: You're first
I'm last
You're thirst
I'm asked to justify
Killing our last heaven beast
Don't hunt the whale

"I can totally make a movie from that" - James Cameron


Dig it, dig it.
 
2017-09-30 09:33:15 AM  
Not a chance.
 
2017-09-30 09:33:47 AM  
My favorite part of Avatar was the scene where I had no idea what was going to happen next.
 
2017-09-30 09:34:12 AM  
Sadly, Roger Dean lost his lawsuit.
 
2017-09-30 09:34:53 AM  
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2017-09-30 09:35:10 AM  

mark_bert: I enjoyed the first one. The visuals and 3D were exceptionally good. The story has been told many times before and since. Can't see where they plan to go with a sequel.


Same here. I liked Avatar, even though it was Dances With Giant Space Smurfs. But they didn't set up much for sequels, so I'm having a hard time with 1 sequel, let alone 4.
 
2017-09-30 09:35:35 AM  
You know, they could have just invested in the camera tech directly...
 
2017-09-30 09:39:24 AM  
I hope they explain what's going on with my favorite inscruitable lyric from "I've Seen All Good People":


Diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit didda

Diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit didda
Diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit didda
Diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit diddit didda


It's like a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
 
2017-09-30 09:43:38 AM  
sigouney weaver is one farking hot 67 year old woman.
 
2017-09-30 09:50:30 AM  
Meh, we spent twice that on a government based on a Steely Dan album.

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2017-09-30 09:56:02 AM  
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes + Sharknado = Tormato.  I'd watch it.
 
2017-09-30 09:58:24 AM  

jake_lex: Marcus Aurelius: The problem is that they put all the 3D into the video and 1D into the characters.  I managed to watch some of the first one, and after about 5 minutes I wanted the entire universe wiped out.

I think that's the reason Avatar seems to have disappeared so much from public view after its theatrical run.  In a theatre, with the big screen and the state of the art sound system and your 3D glasses on, it's an amazing, absorbing experience.  Get home and watch it on video, on your broke-ass TV while you're distracted by other things, and you say, "Wait, this is 'Dances with Wolves' crossed with 'Ferngully'!"


Yes. It was like that with Lord Of The Rings. Great in the theater, but on DVD it was all "live action composite window matted into CG land", like a Syd & Marty Krofft show.

"Behold!" said Gandalf, with a dramatic sweep of his arm, "The Valley of Vastness"...localized entirely on my 15" TV set....
 
2017-09-30 10:00:15 AM  
My friend raved about Avatar, but I've never heard her mention it after that. We talk about many movies, but she never brings it up. Why is that? I never saw it.
 
2017-09-30 10:13:47 AM  
They go through the water part of the planet and meet the Gungans.
 
2017-09-30 10:14:14 AM  

Schmerd1948: My friend raved about Avatar, but I've never heard her mention it after that. We talk about many movies, but she never brings it up. Why is that?


The plot re-enacted a period of American history that most people want to forget, and some are in complete denial over.
 
2017-09-30 10:25:30 AM  
Yes, but I think it's brilliant, in a sort of roundabout way.
 
2017-09-30 10:43:45 AM  
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2017-09-30 10:59:53 AM  
I liked Avatar. The story wasn't terrible, it was just nothing we hadn't seen before. (Same with Titanic.) The spectacle of it all was worth the price of admission - as long as you saw it 3D.

However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Now, I will see the first sequel at least because I am curious to see how he follows it up. Granted, I also saw the Independence Day sequel for the same reason, so I might be setting myself up for disappointment. However, Cameron does know how to make a good movie, and he might actually be able to create a memorable franchise out of these 4 sequels. (Much like the way the Fast and Furious franchise has become a global phenomenon.) It's possible he might top himself and create something neat.

For instance, while the first movie borrowed from Dances With Wolves, what if he borrowed from Aliens and Terminator for the next ones? Pandora is the perfect environment for a tense, survival story. The elements of a good horror/thriller are right there. Future installments could take from other successful franchises. Because really, if that's what he's going to do with these films, he might as well borrow from the best.
 
2017-09-30 11:35:50 AM  

August11: Yeah I couldn't get through the first one. But I really do want to know what happens to the rough and rugged Marine, the thoughtful scientist, the heartless businessman, and the wise and beautiful princess's kind boyfriend. This franchise will be for illiterates who would read fantasy and science fiction if they could read. I guess it does serve a purpose.


Do you have to get back to watching Lion of Winter in 26 minutes?
 
2017-09-30 11:39:42 AM  
If it was the headline, I'd be excited.

But the story? The movie was meh. No interest in any sequels.
 
2017-09-30 11:46:53 AM  
What defines Avatar for me was the laziness of calling the sought after resource "unobtanium".  It's so cynically dumb and mailed in and insulting to the audience, just like the alleged plot.

They should've just gone for the gold on that one and called it "hardtogettium".

/stolen from a friend
 
2017-09-30 11:56:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The problem is that they put all the 3D into the video and 1D into the characters.  I managed to watch some of the first one, and after about 5 minutes I wanted the entire universe wiped out.


...and I can see I'm not needed here. Well stated.
 
2017-09-30 11:59:17 AM  
A sequel might have done reasonably well if it came out soon after the first, but the hype is gone and no one is excited for a sequel at this point, let alone 4 more.  I predict after the first sequel tanks, plans for the rest will be scrapped.
 
2017-09-30 12:00:09 PM  
 
2017-09-30 12:03:46 PM  

Ezimar: Schmerd1948: My friend raved about Avatar, but I've never heard her mention it after that. We talk about many movies, but she never brings it up. Why is that?

The plot re-enacted a period of American history that most people want to forget, and some are in complete denial over.


The 2016 presidential campaign?
 
2017-09-30 12:05:26 PM  

soporific: I liked Avatar. The story wasn't terrible, it was just nothing we hadn't seen before. (Same with Titanic.) The spectacle of it all was worth the price of admission - as long as you saw it 3D.

However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Now, I will see the first sequel at least because I am curious to see how he follows it up. Granted, I also saw the Independence Day sequel for the same reason, so I might be setting myself up for disappointment. However, Cameron does know how to make a good movie, and he might actually be able to create a memorable franchise out of these 4 sequels. (Much like the way the Fast and Furious franchise has become a global phenomenon.) It's possible he might top himself and create something neat.

For instance, while the first movie borrowed from Dances With Wolves, what if he borrowed from Aliens and Terminator for the next ones? Pandora is the perfect environment for a tense, survival story. The elements of a good horror/thriller are right there. Future installments could take from other successful franchises. Because really, if that's what he's going to do with these films, he might as well borrow from the best.


He should take it in the direction of the Godfather franchise
 
2017-09-30 12:17:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: What defines Avatar for me was the laziness of calling the sought after resource "unobtanium".  It's so cynically dumb and mailed in and insulting to the audience, just like the alleged plot.

They should've just gone for the gold on that one and called it "hardtogettium".

/stolen from a friend


You need to hang out with more engineers. It's actually an in-joke among material scientists, so I just assumed someone in that universe used the name in jest when the element was discovered, only to see the name stick in popular culture when the high-temperature semiconductor became used in everyday technology.

"Later, unobtainium became an engineering term for practical materials that really exist, but are difficult to get.[4] For example, during the development of the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, Lockheed engineers at the "Skunk Works" under Clarence "Kelly" Johnson used unobtainium as a dysphemism for titanium.Titanium allowed a higher strength-to-weight ratio at the high temperatures the Blackbird would reach, but the Soviet Union controlled its supply and was trying to deprive the US armed forces of this resource."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium
 
2017-09-30 12:24:39 PM  
As a fan of watching big-budget trainwrecks unfold, I look forward to the Avatar sequels coming out.
 
2017-09-30 12:35:26 PM  

foo monkey: My favorite part of Avatar was the scene where I had no idea what was going to happen next.


I don't remember that scene.
 
2017-09-30 12:36:17 PM  
and if just one of them does half as well as the first film, it will have been worth it. What's the issue exactly?
 
2017-09-30 12:38:27 PM  

WhackingDay: I'll just leave this here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films


No shiat. If there were ever a dude in Hollywood to entrust with a billion dollars, Cameron is that dude.
 
2017-09-30 12:42:06 PM  

The Bestest: foo monkey: My favorite part of Avatar was the scene where I had no idea what was going to happen next.

I don't remember that scene.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joke
 
2017-09-30 12:42:20 PM  
soporific:
However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Even better - pop quiz: without resorting to the Googles, can you name the main character and who played him?
 
2017-09-30 12:53:44 PM  

johnny_vegas: August11: Yeah I couldn't get through the first one. But I really do want to know what happens to the rough and rugged Marine, the thoughtful scientist, the heartless businessman, and the wise and beautiful princess's kind boyfriend. This franchise will be for illiterates who would read fantasy and science fiction if they could read. I guess it does serve a purpose.

Do you have to get back to watching Lion of Winter in 26 minutes?


I did not get that reference, but I bet it was hilarious.
 
2017-09-30 12:57:18 PM  

August11: johnny_vegas: August11: Yeah I couldn't get through the first one. But I really do want to know what happens to the rough and rugged Marine, the thoughtful scientist, the heartless businessman, and the wise and beautiful princess's kind boyfriend. This franchise will be for illiterates who would read fantasy and science fiction if they could read. I guess it does serve a purpose.

Do you have to get back to watching Lion of Winter in 26 minutes?

I did not get that reference, but I bet it was hilarious.


Shocking

/welcome to fark!
 
2017-09-30 01:05:49 PM  
It's better than wasting the money making films based on the covers of Psygnosis games.
 
2017-09-30 01:29:57 PM  
James Cameron's Avatar franchise is about to become one of the most expensive series of films ever made.

Umh, does one not need a 2nd movie. Ideally, not a franchise until the 3rd installment.
Last I heard that sequel is still a long ways off.
 
2017-09-30 01:30:27 PM  

puckrock2000: soporific:
However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Even better - pop quiz: without resorting to the Googles, can you name the main character and who played him?


Well, the reason for that is because the movie is too long. There's no replayability. You've seen it, it was good/bad/whatever, and we're done now.

I get that Titanic was also long, but it's a different type of movie and has at least one of the most iconic actors of our generation.

/*eyeroll*, yes, I mean DiCaprio
 
2017-09-30 01:42:53 PM  
They're not high on my hype list, but I'll go see any Avatar sequels.
 
2017-09-30 01:53:20 PM  

FarkaDark: James Cameron's Avatar franchise is about to become one of the most expensive series of films ever made.

Umh, does one not need a 2nd movie. Ideally, not a franchise until the 3rd installment.
Last I heard that sequel is still a long ways off.


the 3rd was simultaneously greenlit with the 2nd
 
2017-09-30 02:04:08 PM  

drewsclues: and if just one of them does half as well as the first film, it will have been worth it.


Yeahhhhh, no. Half the domestic of the first would be $380 million, half the foreign would be $1 billion. $380m / 2 + $1bn / 3 =~ $713 million. They're gonna need to do much better than that. Plus, the Chinese have indicated they plan to get even stingier about non-Chinese studios' cut of their box office, which means it will be a much tougher market for Avatar movies than it was in 2009.
 
2017-09-30 02:28:44 PM  
None of this shiat looks like a JoJo reference what the hell
 
2017-09-30 02:29:21 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: None of this shiat looks like a JoJo reference what the hell


not even in a roundabout way
 
2017-09-30 02:47:27 PM  

The Bestest: FarkaDark: James Cameron's Avatar franchise is about to become one of the most expensive series of films ever made.

Umh, does one not need a 2nd movie. Ideally, not a franchise until the 3rd installment.
Last I heard that sequel is still a long ways off.

the 3rd was simultaneously greenlit with the 2nd


Bring greenlit is not the same thing as being released or made. Much like being engaged is not the same as married or intending to write a novel is the same as being an author.
My only point being I will believe it when I see it. (PS: I did not see the 1st).
 
2017-09-30 03:20:37 PM  

puckrock2000: soporific:
However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Even better - pop quiz: without resorting to the Googles, can you name the main character and who played him?


Yes, Jake Sully, as in, "I see you, Jake Sully".

But I literally saw it in theaters at least 10 times. I did so precisely because it was glorious to behold in 3D, an obvious masterclass in how to use that technology.... but the story was pretty cookie cutter other than that (with a few minor nice creative details for the setting/world building). I knew at home it was just not going to be the same, and I had better enjoy the rollercoaster for my eyeballs in the theater while I could. True enough, while I saw it 10+ times in the theater, I haven't sat through the whole movie even one single time at home.
 
2017-09-30 05:23:13 PM  
Avatar was a great movie going experience and I can't farking wait to see the advances that have been made in the visuals department.
 
2017-09-30 05:41:09 PM  

Army dude: Avatar was a great movie going experience and I can't farking wait to see the advances that have been made in the visuals department.


So much this. Fark the haters.
 
2017-09-30 05:51:36 PM  
When it first came out and I told people I hated it, the reply was usually "Did you see it in 3D?"

/I did see it in 3D
 
2017-09-30 08:19:12 PM  
For me Avatar was all about the 3d world and total immersion in the world the movie depicted. It completely delivered on that. No movie since has leveraged 3d that well, although some have come close like Gravity.

Who goes to see a Cameron movie for the deep characters and story? No one.

The problem I think he'll have now is that with the novelty of having that total immersion gone, people are going to need more if he hopes to impress them. So my prediction:
Avatar 2 is a big hit and makes back the cost of all the sequels. This is because it brings in new audiences who never saw the first one in the theater and people interested in seeing how the sequel plays out. Then after that each sequel makes far less than the previous one, because boredom sets in. With no compelling story or characters, audiences lose interest. Fox and Cameron couldn't care less though since all the money they want has already been made.
 
2017-09-30 08:47:43 PM  
So, we have to wait until 5 for the relativistic rock to be slammed into the planet? Which one has the alien engineers who made the various species neuronally compatible show up?
 
2017-09-30 09:54:10 PM  

Army dude: Avatar was a great movie going experience and I can't farking wait to see the advances that have been made in the visuals department.


So it'll be Valerian, only more blue?
 
2017-09-30 10:20:16 PM  

mongbiohazard: puckrock2000: soporific:
However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Even better - pop quiz: without resorting to the Googles, can you name the main character and who played him?

Yes, Jake Sully, as in, "I see you, Jake Sully".

But I literally saw it in theaters at least 10 times. I did so precisely because it was glorious to behold in 3D, an obvious masterclass in how to use that technology.... but the story was pretty cookie cutter other than that (with a few minor nice creative details for the setting/world building). I knew at home it was just not going to be the same, and I had better enjoy the rollercoaster for my eyeballs in the theater while I could. True enough, while I saw it 10+ times in the theater, I haven't sat through the whole movie even one single time at home.


Wait wait wait. You saw Avatar AT LEAST 10 times in the theater?
 
2017-09-30 10:38:37 PM  
I think this franchise will be a Big Generator for the studio...

Brynden Rivers: drewsclues: and if just one of them does half as well as the first film, it will have been worth it.

Yeahhhhh, no. ...Plus, the Chinese have indicated ...


That their viewing audience will pay to see american movies.  Especially if you throw them a bone.  IDK, some essential tech that the protagonists need that was created in China.  That's all it takes.
 
2017-09-30 10:40:22 PM  

drewogatory: mongbiohazard: puckrock2000: soporific:
However, while it became one of the biggest movies ever, it's also one we've largely forgotten. The movie didn't become iconic the way Titanic, Terminator, and Aliens became iconic. When was the last time you quoted Avatar? Did you ever quote Avatar?

Even better - pop quiz: without resorting to the Googles, can you name the main character and who played him?

Yes, Jake Sully, as in, "I see you, Jake Sully".

But I literally saw it in theaters at least 10 times. I did so precisely because it was glorious to behold in 3D, an obvious masterclass in how to use that technology.... but the story was pretty cookie cutter other than that (with a few minor nice creative details for the setting/world building). I knew at home it was just not going to be the same, and I had better enjoy the rollercoaster for my eyeballs in the theater while I could. True enough, while I saw it 10+ times in the theater, I haven't sat through the whole movie even one single time at home.

Wait wait wait. You saw Avatar AT LEAST 10 times in the theater?


Yeah, at least. Always in 3D. once in Imax. It's like a rollercoaster for your eyeballs, and I knew the only chance I had to enjoy that experience was in the theater, so I took advantage while I could.

After that.... on home media on my 2D movie..... MEH. Worth watching once, for being well-executed scifi, but nothing groundbreaking in ways other than visuals.
 
2017-09-30 11:44:54 PM  
Am I missing anything by never having seen Avatar?

/Yeah, I'm THAT guy.
 
2017-09-30 11:48:36 PM  
Roger Dean is awesome. Get out of here with that noise.
 
2017-09-30 11:49:49 PM  

Dave and the Mission: I think this franchise will be a Big Generator for the studio...

Brynden Rivers: drewsclues: and if just one of them does half as well as the first film, it will have been worth it.

Yeahhhhh, no. ...Plus, the Chinese have indicated ...

That their viewing audience will pay to see american movies.


Not forever. Certainly not to the degree Hollywood is accustomed to. You evidently haven't been paying attention to the news on this: the domestic Chinese film industry is booming. Sure, foreign films still mostly dominate, but that will go away soon enough. It's absurd to have ever believed that a nation of 1.4 billion people with a growing middle class was always going to depend on us to provide their entertainment. I can't even type it without marveling at how preposterous the proposition is.
 
2017-10-01 11:57:20 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Am I missing anything by never having seen Avatar?

/Yeah, I'm THAT guy.


It was visiually and technically groundbreaking for its time.

Today? Prolly not.
 
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