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2017-09-29 07:28:38 PM  
Maybe Rich Johnston?
 
2017-09-29 07:45:09 PM  
The real villain of the prequels is George Lucas.
 
2017-09-29 07:58:26 PM  
Snoke killed Dumbledore!
 
2017-09-29 08:15:14 PM  
I'm sorry, but did this article just say that we got a glimpse of The Emperor in A New Hope? Was this thin procedurally generated?
 
2017-09-29 08:20:01 PM  
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2017-09-29 08:36:04 PM  
The plot of the original movie is hilariously unoriginal. The reason is worked is because it had a perfect blend of just enough novelty in concepts, excellent chemistry with the cast, and a brilliant score, combined with lesser amounts of awesome in terms of dialogue, effects, design, and so on. It was like any other space opera serial, except it did everything right, and happened to be a full-length movie, instead of a series of 22 min. radio shows.

I loved Rogue One, but Episode VII was crap. Almost pure garbage with the exception of how the leads performed.

The plot? Episode IV but "BIGGER" and "COOLER". The villain? Pfft. The plot twist? Oh, wait, there wasn't one. Killing Han? Who didn't see it a mile away?

They had a chance to do something awesome and original and unexpected, but they didn't. If they wanted to impress us, then we should have seen something like Kylo watching Han get killed by stormtroopers, and then deciding "Screw this, I'm going back to the light." Instead we saw Han die for basically no reason, and everyone acts like f*cking caricatures, just going through the motions of what they would obviously do based on what we already knew about them.

And then R2 suddenly and conveniently awakens to provide Luke's location. What a load of contrived, deus ex machina horsesh*t.

And I swear Abrams was screwing with the genuine fans on purpose, going out of his way to. Perfect example? Han using a bowcaster. It f*cked with the real fans and added nothing to the plot.

I keep trying to think back to things I liked about Ep. VII, but every single time I think I've thought of something I realize it's actually from Rogue One.
 
2017-09-29 08:55:38 PM  
Meesa not bad guy!
 
2017-09-29 09:04:54 PM  
In The Crying Game, one of the characters had a penis.

I forget which one.
 
2017-09-29 09:14:15 PM  
Barry Hines' classic novel A Kestrel for a Knave was adapted to film by Ken Loach as Kes. The novel's title refers to the historical practice of certain raptors being allowed only to certain classes of society.

The kestrel dies at the end.
 
2017-09-29 09:31:15 PM  

iron de havilland: In The Crying Game, one of the characters had a penis.

I forget which one.


Forest Whitaker.
 
2017-09-29 09:31:19 PM  

iron de havilland: Barry Hines' classic novel A Kestrel for a Knave was adapted to film by Ken Loach as Kes. The novel's title refers to the historical practice of certain raptors being allowed only to certain classes of society.

The kestrel dies at the end.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but that's a devastating movie.
 
2017-09-29 09:32:23 PM  
Imagine the mic-drop moment (lightsaber drop?) of Luke Skywalker revealing he's the mastermind behind Snoke, Ren, and The First Order

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2017-09-29 10:00:07 PM  
**Harry Potter**
 
2017-09-29 10:10:18 PM  

Sid_6.7: The plot of the original movie is hilariously unoriginal. The reason is worked is because it had a perfect blend of just enough novelty in concepts, excellent chemistry with the cast, and a brilliant score, combined with lesser amounts of awesome in terms of dialogue, effects, design, and so on. It was like any other space opera serial, except it did everything right, and happened to be a full-length movie, instead of a series of 22 min. radio shows.

I loved Rogue One, but Episode VII was crap. Almost pure garbage with the exception of how the leads performed.

The plot? Episode IV but "BIGGER" and "COOLER". The villain? Pfft. The plot twist? Oh, wait, there wasn't one. Killing Han? Who didn't see it a mile away?

They had a chance to do something awesome and original and unexpected, but they didn't. If they wanted to impress us, then we should have seen something like Kylo watching Han get killed by stormtroopers, and then deciding "Screw this, I'm going back to the light." Instead we saw Han die for basically no reason, and everyone acts like f*cking caricatures, just going through the motions of what they would obviously do based on what we already knew about them.

And then R2 suddenly and conveniently awakens to provide Luke's location. What a load of contrived, deus ex machina horsesh*t.

And I swear Abrams was screwing with the genuine fans on purpose, going out of his way to. Perfect example? Han using a bowcaster. It f*cked with the real fans and added nothing to the plot.

I keep trying to think back to things I liked about Ep. VII, but every single time I think I've thought of something I realize it's actually from Rogue One.


Rogue One is now my measure. I grew up with the original threequle. But I really only want to explore Lucas' galaxy with "A Star Wars Story" movies.
 
2017-09-29 10:37:34 PM  
Hey a Star Wars thread, time for everyone to take time out of their busy schedule to shiat on it. Right on schedule. You know it's been 18 years since Jar Jar's had any more than five lines? Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?

Anyway, having Luke being the bad guy would be a big mistake.
 
2017-09-29 11:41:26 PM  
I'm not going to RTFA if it's another dumb rehash of the Darth Jar-Jar theory.
 
2017-09-29 11:41:43 PM  

Mugato: Hey a Star Wars thread, time for everyone to take time out of their busy schedule to shiat on it. Right on schedule. You know it's been 18 years since Jar Jar's had any more than five lines? Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?

Anyway, having Luke being the bad guy would be a big mistake.


Jar Jar wasn't even the worst thing in Phantom Menace, not by a long shot. And the rat bastard actually redeemed himself a little in the Clone Wars series, so I can't really fuss.

And I've never really understood the hatred for those blood thirsty mini-wookies either.
 
2017-09-29 11:42:21 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I'm not going to RTFA if it's another dumb rehash of the Darth Jar-Jar theory.


That, like all fan theories, is indeed dumb.
 
2017-09-30 12:01:28 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I'm not going to RTFA if it's another dumb rehash of the Darth Jar-Jar theory.


It's not.
 
2017-09-30 12:30:35 AM  
I could live with that theory being true.
 
2017-09-30 12:43:48 AM  

BizarreMan: The real villain of the prequels is George Lucas.


*Applause*
 
2017-09-30 12:49:32 AM  
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It's this guy... maybe.
 
2017-09-30 12:50:25 AM  
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"I'm a Snoooooke."
 
2017-09-30 12:53:31 AM  
I thought we all agreed Smoke was Scrappy-doo in disguise.
 
2017-09-30 12:54:09 AM  

Unbridled Apathy: I thought we all agreed Smoke was Scrappy-doo in disguise.


Stupid acto-correct
 
2017-09-30 01:07:44 AM  
If Luke is the bad guy it's in the name of balance in the force.  That could be a little righteous, but that's the Jedi way.  It also plays into the name of the film, since the rumor has always been that Luke was going to embrace the "gray jedi" middleground that brings its own balance.  That makes him a "bad guy", but not the evil guy. I believe that Luke will be a rebel to the end.  The guy is still pissed about missing out on Tosche Station, so he's only going to do what he wants from now on
 
2017-09-30 01:32:30 AM  
The real villain is:
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2017-09-30 01:48:27 AM  

kronicfeld: I'm sorry, but did this article just say that we got a glimpse of The Emperor in A New Hope? Was this thin procedurally generated?


Author also apparently thinks Kylo Ren's birth name is "Ben Kenobi". /facepalm
 
2017-09-30 02:15:19 AM  
I am really sick of fan theories in general.  I'd rather wait and just enjoy the ride.
 
2017-09-30 02:24:39 AM  

Sid_6.7: The plot of the original movie is hilariously unoriginal. The reason is worked is because it had a perfect blend of just enough novelty in concepts, excellent chemistry with the cast, and a brilliant score, combined with lesser amounts of awesome in terms of dialogue, effects, design, and so on. It was like any other space opera serial, except it did everything right, and happened to be a full-length movie, instead of a series of 22 min. radio shows.

I loved Rogue One, but Episode VII was crap. Almost pure garbage with the exception of how the leads performed.

The plot? Episode IV but "BIGGER" and "COOLER". The villain? Pfft. The plot twist? Oh, wait, there wasn't one. Killing Han? Who didn't see it a mile away?

They had a chance to do something awesome and original and unexpected, but they didn't. If they wanted to impress us, then we should have seen something like Kylo watching Han get killed by stormtroopers, and then deciding "Screw this, I'm going back to the light." Instead we saw Han die for basically no reason, and everyone acts like f*cking caricatures, just going through the motions of what they would obviously do based on what we already knew about them.

And then R2 suddenly and conveniently awakens to provide Luke's location. What a load of contrived, deus ex machina horsesh*t.

And I swear Abrams was screwing with the genuine fans on purpose, going out of his way to. Perfect example? Han using a bowcaster. It f*cked with the real fans and added nothing to the plot.

I keep trying to think back to things I liked about Ep. VII, but every single time I think I've thought of something I realize it's actually from Rogue One.


Hey kids! I'm being cool because I hate SW 7. Look how cool I am.
 
2017-09-30 02:37:25 AM  

bhcompy: If Luke is the bad guy it's in the name of balance in the force.  That could be a little righteous, but that's the Jedi way.  It also plays into the name of the film, since the rumor has always been that Luke was going to embrace the "gray jedi" middleground that brings its own balance.  That makes him a "bad guy", but not the evil guy. I believe that Luke will be a rebel to the end.  The guy is still pissed about missing out on Tosche Station, so he's only going to do what he wants from now on


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2017-09-30 03:08:25 AM  
I'm torn between not wanting Luke to go dark side, but also wanting the sequel trilogy to go completely apeshiat crazy.
 
2017-09-30 03:37:28 AM  
As long as they have some serious development time with the Porgs I'm ok with whatever.
 
2017-09-30 03:44:24 AM  
Not this shiat again.
 
2017-09-30 03:49:46 AM  
I've been saying that for a year.
Snoke = SNeaky Old luKE.
Wake up, sheeple.
 
2017-09-30 05:04:41 AM  
Think about that. Why would JJ Abrams and his Force Awakens team be so secretive about the Supreme Leader, if there wasn't something to hide?

Because as usual he's just making this shiat up as he goes?
 
2017-09-30 06:23:18 AM  
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2017-09-30 06:24:42 AM  

kronicfeld: I'm sorry, but did this article just say that we got a glimpse of The Emperor in A New Hope? Was this thin procedurally generated?


Yeah, stopped reading right there.  If this "author" (or more likely shiatty algorithm) is that unaware, there's no reason to waste any more time reading that nonsense.
 
2017-09-30 06:30:32 AM  

Sid_6.7: The plot of the original movie is hilariously unoriginal. The reason is worked is because it had a perfect blend of just enough novelty in concepts, excellent chemistry with the cast, and a brilliant score, combined with lesser amounts of awesome in terms of dialogue, effects, design, and so on. It was like any other space opera serial, except it did everything right, and happened to be a full-length movie, instead of a series of 22 min. radio shows.

I loved Rogue One, but Episode VII was crap. Almost pure garbage with the exception of how the leads performed.

The plot? Episode IV but "BIGGER" and "COOLER". The villain? Pfft. The plot twist? Oh, wait, there wasn't one. Killing Han? Who didn't see it a mile away?

They had a chance to do something awesome and original and unexpected, but they didn't. If they wanted to impress us, then we should have seen something like Kylo watching Han get killed by stormtroopers, and then deciding "Screw this, I'm going back to the light." Instead we saw Han die for basically no reason, and everyone acts like f*cking caricatures, just going through the motions of what they would obviously do based on what we already knew about them.

And then R2 suddenly and conveniently awakens to provide Luke's location. What a load of contrived, deus ex machina horsesh*t.

And I swear Abrams was screwing with the genuine fans on purpose, going out of his way to. Perfect example? Han using a bowcaster. It f*cked with the real fans and added nothing to the plot.

I keep trying to think back to things I liked about Ep. VII, but every single time I think I've thought of something I realize it's actually from Rogue One.


Not smart at all. The effects in the original were like nothing ever seen before.
 
2017-09-30 07:06:36 AM  
Spoiler alert? More like speculation alert.

As for the theory, it could be really good if they pull it off right. The Gray-Jedi 'way of balance' thing would probably be the best way to go with it, since I don't think there will ever be a Dark Luke story as good as the one from Dark Empire.

If Abrams were still directing, I'd say it would probably end up being some lame bullshiat like 'Luke was actually Snoke the whole time,' or something equally dumb and over the top and a total screw-you to Luke's character. But it's important to remember that Rian Johnson is the guy who directed some of the best episodes of Breaking Bad; he knows how to put emotional weight to a scene.
 
2017-09-30 07:21:43 AM  
True villain of the entire Star Wars enterprise:
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/So obvious!
 
2017-09-30 07:31:28 AM  
paulleah:

Hey kids! I'm being cool because I hate SW 7. Look how cool I am.

Hey kids! I'm making fun of SW 7 because it's a pile of steaming shiat.  There.  All fixed.

/sometimes people make fun of something just because it sucks
//I know, it's the internet, that's probably illegal or something
 
2017-09-30 07:39:45 AM  

fusillade762: iron de havilland: In The Crying Game, one of the characters had a penis.

I forget which one.

Forest Whitaker.


well, he was cock-eyed the whole film
 
2017-09-30 08:17:28 AM  
Leia makes the most sense as the villain. She lost her brother and her son then later her husband. She's force sensitive but has no training so she's susceptible to the dark side. She adopts the Snoke persona to keep tabs on Kylo Ren. She sticks with the Resistance to quietly sabotage them. Plus the overall lack of evil female characters in the movies.

C'mon Disney....dooo eeet.
 
2017-09-30 08:49:40 AM  
Jar Jar is a farking street clown on Naboo. There, mystery solved. And yes, it's canon so farkING DEAL WITH IR.
 
2017-09-30 09:09:09 AM  
You guessed it.....

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2017-09-30 09:58:44 AM  
A glimpse of the Emperor in New Hope?

DID LUCAS PUT OUT ANOTHER NEW VERSION I DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
 
2017-09-30 10:21:24 AM  

AaronSynn: A glimpse of the Emperor in New Hope?

DID LUCAS PUT OUT ANOTHER NEW VERSION I DON'T KNOW ABOUT?


There are new scenes every time you watch. It can only be a matter of time.
 
2017-09-30 10:30:07 AM  
i just hope he has a stupid starwarzesque name that rhymes with fire,
 cuz where's there's Snoke, there's _ _ _ _

George Lucas "Poetry"
Youtube bxU2eqZtYmc
 
2017-09-30 11:04:05 AM  

Fano: UNC_Samurai: I'm not going to RTFA if it's another dumb rehash of the Darth Jar-Jar theory.

That, like all fan theories, is indeed dumb.


Yeah it is a dumb theory and so would thinking that Lucas would have ever intended it.  But it makes more sense than what was actually any "theory" shown onscreen. If you treat it as a parody of how Lucas plotted the prequels, it is brilliant.
 
2017-09-30 11:06:33 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Fano: UNC_Samurai: I'm not going to RTFA if it's another dumb rehash of the Darth Jar-Jar theory.

That, like all fan theories, is indeed dumb.

Yeah it is a dumb theory and so would thinking that Lucas would have ever intended it.  But it makes more sense than what was actually any "theory" shown onscreen. If you treat it as a parody of how Lucas plotted the prequels, it is brilliant.

 
2017-09-30 11:30:57 AM  
Sigh... Let me guess, we're back to "Kylo Ren is really Luke Skywalker!" type bullshiat, again. Everyone is so desperate to destroy the character's story arc in the original trilogy by making Luke the bad guy, because reasons.

Fine, knock yourselves out. It's stupid, and is only being done because "shocking twist! "

But I'm sure Red Letter Media will love it, since they hate anything familiar.
 
2017-09-30 12:37:24 PM  

invictus2: fusillade762: iron de havilland: In The Crying Game, one of the characters had a penis.

I forget which one.

Forest Whitaker.

well, he was cock-eyed the whole film


Outstanding!
 
2017-09-30 12:44:51 PM  
So.. this is the Snoke Black Series figure in the box:
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And then, somewhat hysterically, this is what he looks like under the 'Snoke and a Pancake' robe:

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Basically, it turns out that Snoke is a ballerina Golden Girl / Goldmember hybrid!
 
2017-09-30 12:57:22 PM  

Shagbert: So.. this is the Snoke Black Series figure in the box:
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And then, somewhat hysterically, this is what he looks like under the 'Snoke and a Pancake' robe:

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Basically, it turns out that Snoke is a ballerina Golden Girl / Goldmember hybrid!


Hahahahaha!
 
2017-09-30 12:59:54 PM  

iron de havilland: In The Crying Game, one of the characters had a penis.

I forget which one.


All of them.
 
2017-09-30 02:01:42 PM  

jayphat: Jar Jar is a farking street clown on Naboo. There, mystery solved. And yes, it's canon so farkING DEAL WITH IR.


Yep. He's a street clown desperately going through his slapstick schtick to try and get people to like him again, but they all avoid and despise him because they blame him for Palpatine's rise to power. 

Gotta love Chuck Wendig.
 
2017-09-30 02:06:03 PM  
FTA " In A New Hope, we got just a tantalising glimpse of the Emperor. "

and author instantly loses all credibility, going from potentially wild speculation to, hasn't got a fooking clue.
 
2017-09-30 02:20:23 PM  

PvtStash: FTA " In A New Hope, we got just a tantalising glimpse of the Emperor. "

and author instantly loses all credibility, going from potentially wild speculation to, hasn't got a fooking clue.


Maybe he meant that they briefly mentioned the Emperor in passing and he's just a shiatty writer.
 
2017-09-30 02:31:39 PM  
What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?
 
2017-09-30 02:48:41 PM  

TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?


It's the type of cheap, gimmicky twist that seems to have become common in movies lately.
 
amb
2017-09-30 03:02:49 PM  

bhcompy: If Luke is the bad guy it's in the name of balance in the force.  That could be a little righteous, but that's the Jedi way.  It also plays into the name of the film, since the rumor has always been that Luke was going to embrace the "gray jedi" middleground that brings its own balance.  That makes him a "bad guy", but not the evil guy. I believe that Luke will be a rebel to the end.  The guy is still pissed about missing out on Tosche Station, so he's only going to do what he wants from now on


Did he ever get those power converters?
 
2017-09-30 03:10:12 PM  

amb: Did he ever get those power converters?


No, that's why he got so little when he sold his speeder. Old, worn out power converters.
 
2017-09-30 03:20:36 PM  

Mugato: TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?

It's the type of cheap, gimmicky twist that seems to have become common in movies lately.


It's why I'm hoping they get Reys backstory out of the way in the opening act.  You can feel a twist coming and it will only dissapoint.
 
2017-09-30 03:28:19 PM  

amb: bhcompy: If Luke is the bad guy it's in the name of balance in the force.  That could be a little righteous, but that's the Jedi way.  It also plays into the name of the film, since the rumor has always been that Luke was going to embrace the "gray jedi" middleground that brings its own balance.  That makes him a "bad guy", but not the evil guy. I believe that Luke will be a rebel to the end.  The guy is still pissed about missing out on Tosche Station, so he's only going to do what he wants from now on

Did he ever get those power converters?


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2017-09-30 03:59:53 PM  

Mugato: Hey a Star Wars thread, time for everyone to take time out of their busy schedule to shiat on it. Right on schedule. You know it's been 18 years since Jar Jar's had any more than five lines? Isn't there a statute of limitations on this shiat?

Anyway, having Luke being the bad guy would be a big mistake.


Luke is playing the bad guy because he knows that it is the only way he can save Kylo and Rey. This was set in motion by Han also sacrificing himself so that Kylo did not end up on thr Dark Side. Without Luke being on the Dark Side, there is nobody looking after Kylo and it sets up an unfortunate battle between the two. No matter who wins and kills the other, the Dark Side will win.

Luke has seen both sides of the force and the devastation that has occurred by the lack of balance and constant struggle. He above all understands what must be done similar to the moment in which Dart Vader killed the Emperor thus rebelling against the Dark Side. I am not sure what the final outcome will be, but hopefully we will see the Grey born from this since this balance is what is needed to achieve equilibrium and to break the cycle. It isn't a classic tale of good versus evil.
 
2017-09-30 04:28:26 PM  
"When I read 8, I told Rian, 'I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character'," Hamill said. "But it might be a good sign! I was really wrong about [The Force Awakens]."

Of course he was wrong about SW7, He got paid a shiat load of money to do a day's worth of work and keep his mouth shut. I just hope that he does a 180 and Luke Skywalker turns into the Joker.

If Hamill doesn't look like this by the end of Episode 9, i'm going to be disappointed.

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2017-09-30 04:54:32 PM  

TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?


It was a plot thread people latched on to from Empire and Jedi. The Emperor managed to goad Luke into briefly giving in to his anger, and Yoda had warned that taking the smallest steps on the path to the dark side would lead to it forever dominating his destiny. 

In the old EU, that led to Luke going full dark side to fully understand it so he could reject it completely.
 
2017-09-30 05:29:17 PM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?

It was a plot thread people latched on to from Empire and Jedi. The Emperor managed to goad Luke into briefly giving in to his anger, and Yoda had warned that taking the smallest steps on the path to the dark side would lead to it forever dominating his destiny. 

In the old EU, that led to Luke going full dark side to fully understand it so he could reject it completely.


I think that's what most are missing here. Luke did turn to the Dark Side in the old canon, but came back. Why would this "fan" theory be that far off base? 

Director takes a canon idea and uses it in the next film series to mirror the redemption story of the first series. 

I think people are not liking the amount of words used to describe how they are going about doing it. That article was pretty shiatty writing.
 
2017-09-30 05:30:27 PM  
One of the few things more annoying than Jar-Jar are Star Wars fans who won't stop talking about Jar-Jar.

/No, your fan-theory isn't "mind blowing", "thought provoking", or "cool", it's stupid.
//Though to be fair, a lot of the canon in Star Wars is stupid too.
 
2017-09-30 05:45:37 PM  

the_innkeeper: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?

It was a plot thread people latched on to from Empire and Jedi. The Emperor managed to goad Luke into briefly giving in to his anger, and Yoda had warned that taking the smallest steps on the path to the dark side would lead to it forever dominating his destiny. 

In the old EU, that led to Luke going full dark side to fully understand it so he could reject it completely.

I think that's what most are missing here. Luke did turn to the Dark Side in the old canon, but came back. Why would this "fan" theory be that far off base? 

Director takes a canon idea and uses it in the next film series to mirror the redemption story of the first series. 

I think people are not liking the amount of words used to describe how they are going about doing it. That article was pretty shiatty writing.


The twist is that he isn't turning to the Dark Side and will redeem himself, but rather to save Kylo and Rey and restore balance. While Luke may have turned to the Dark Side, I don't think he is being used by it as much as he is using it, which is essentially an impossible act to sustain and will end with his death.
 
2017-09-30 08:12:57 PM  

jayphat: Jar Jar is a farking street clown on Naboo. There, mystery solved. And yes, it's canon so farkING DEAL WITH IR.


Came for this. Satisfied.
 
amb
2017-09-30 09:53:19 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: the_innkeeper: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?

It was a plot thread people latched on to from Empire and Jedi. The Emperor managed to goad Luke into briefly giving in to his anger, and Yoda had warned that taking the smallest steps on the path to the dark side would lead to it forever dominating his destiny. 

In the old EU, that led to Luke going full dark side to fully understand it so he could reject it completely.

I think that's what most are missing here. Luke did turn to the Dark Side in the old canon, but came back. Why would this "fan" theory be that far off base? 

Director takes a canon idea and uses it in the next film series to mirror the redemption story of the first series. 

I think people are not liking the amount of words used to describe how they are going about doing it. That article was pretty shiatty writing.

The twist is that he isn't turning to the Dark Side and will redeem himself, but rather to save Kylo and Rey and restore balance. While Luke may have turned to the Dark Side, I don't think he is being used by it as much as he is using it, which is essentially an impossible act to sustain and will end with his death.


So Luke has to be at peace with his anger.

In the abandoned EU it was in a graphic novel iirc, that Luke turned to the dark side and came back to the light. After that is when Luke became a Jedi Master.
 
2017-09-30 09:54:18 PM  

Some Guy In A Waistcoat: It was a plot thread people latched on to from Empire and Jedi. The Emperor managed to goad Luke into briefly giving in to his anger, and Yoda had warned that taking the smallest steps on the path to the dark side would lead to it forever dominating his destiny. 

In the old EU, that led to Luke going full dark side to fully understand it so he could reject it completely.


The best part was, that was only half the reason he did it. The other half was so that he could get close enough to the cloned Emperor to repeat his father's act of redemption and kill Palpatine at a key moment.

Of course, then they went and cocked up the ending by having a newly introduced character with a ridiculous name even by SW standards jump in at the last moment with a Heroic Sacrifice™, but apart from that it was great.
 
2017-09-30 10:03:26 PM  

Flappyhead: Mugato: TheMarchHare: What would Luke's motivation even be for turning to the dark side? Luke saw the cost it had on his father why would he go down that road also?

It's the type of cheap, gimmicky twist that seems to have become common in movies lately.

It's why I'm hoping they get Reys backstory out of the way in the opening act.  You can feel a twist coming and it will only dissapoint.


Rebels isn't getting nearly enough love here. Rey is Ezra's daughter that had been at Luke's new Jedi school when young Kylo got all emo-y and smoked it. Luke mind tricked her and dumped her on Jakku to be safe. Ezra in the mean time has gone dark side-y to become Snoke, in his efforts to bring peace and unity to the galaxy. Wut!
 
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