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(The New York Times)   IBM now has more employees in India than the US   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-09-28 09:18:33 AM  
Obvious tag was outsourced?
 
2017-09-28 09:20:24 AM  
It is International Business Machines, not United States Business Machines.
 
2017-09-28 09:22:05 AM  
How dare they!  Americans are entitled to jobs!
 
2017-09-28 09:22:52 AM  

pxlboy: Obvious tag was outsourced?


Cheaper labor = fatter unearned income stock owners.
Math can be fun!
 
2017-09-28 09:23:18 AM  

Rapmaster2000: How dare they!  Americans are entitled to jobs!


See above
 
2017-09-28 09:35:53 AM  
Fun Fact: when they're not providing tech customer service, they're making Trump suits.
 
2017-09-28 09:36:19 AM  
Thank you, come again.
 
2017-09-28 09:38:31 AM  
There are more people in India than the US.
 
2017-09-28 09:50:26 AM  
We've spent the past couple of decades deliberately dumbing ourselves down while India and others have been building up their STEM expertise and enterprise infrastructure.

Yee. Haw.
 
2017-09-28 09:53:32 AM  
The violent left is going to be furious about this, but hey, they're the ones who wanted diversity in the workplace.  And that is when the smug smiley rose up, to smug the nonbelievers. :^)

(^:

:^)

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2017-09-28 09:54:58 AM  
I for one hail our new Indian Rajahs
 
2017-09-28 10:00:29 AM  
All part of the plan.

Lean Initiative, my ass.
 
2017-09-28 10:02:08 AM  
Well, it's not like most Americans would know science from a magic sky wizard.
 
2017-09-28 10:08:38 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: We've spent the past couple of decades deliberately dumbing ourselves down while India and others have been building up their STEM expertise and enterprise infrastructure.

Yee. Haw.


Enterprise infrastructure? In a nation that still has dirt roads servicing major population centers, and where indoor plumbing has yet to be a "thing" in large parts of the country, and per-capita yearly income is less than the rent in many parts of our country? Let me laugh harder.
 
2017-09-28 10:08:53 AM  
My company outsourced a bunch of jobs to India and it was and still is a disaster.  That group causes so many problems, mainly due to apathy, that there's no way we're saving a dime when you consider all of the time we spend unfarking their work.

And don't start me on their caste culture.  If they think you're beneath them they treat you with utter contempt even when you're trying to help them.  I think that pisses me off more than their incompetence.

Your Indian outsourcing experience may vary.
 
2017-09-28 10:15:13 AM  
Have they tried rebooting it?
 
2017-09-28 10:15:17 AM  

NotThatGuyAgain: My company outsourced a bunch of jobs to India and it was and still is a disaster.  That group causes so many problems, mainly due to apathy, that there's no way we're saving a dime when you consider all of the time we spend unfarking their work.

And don't start me on their caste culture.  If they think you're beneath them they treat you with utter contempt even when you're trying to help them.  I think that pisses me off more than their incompetence.

Your Indian outsourcing experience may vary.


This is funny, well not really.  That caste system is ridiculous.  Some manager state side was working on a system on my team where we wanted to have and rotate tier one and tier 2 type support roles.  In the grand scheme of things it didn't mean anything other than periodically you had to come off core coding or project work to lend a greater focus to active tickets.

India manager responded to change the role names as a sr eng in India wouldn't allow them to be tier 1 while a jr else was tier 2 for that rotation.

Rediculous
 
2017-09-28 10:22:10 AM  

JRoo: Well, it's not like most Americans would know science from a magic sky wizard.


Oh did you ever pick the wrong country for a compare and contrast in that regard.
 
2017-09-28 10:30:58 AM  

Fano: JRoo: Well, it's not like most Americans would know science from a magic sky wizard.

Oh did you ever pick the wrong country for a compare and contrast in that regard.


Hey now, you have to be specific about which magic sky wizard you are talking about in India. And that's just for Hinduism
 
2017-09-28 10:39:26 AM  
Well, there are a billion or so of them. It's not that shocking.
 
2017-09-28 10:43:37 AM  
CSB
I'm a programmer, don't know terribly much about sys admin, and we support IBM DB2 for our app because it's popular in the financial world.
Last time we got a new System I, I was having trouble getting the console (admin dumb terminal) connected, the IBM tech support guy kept telling me to plug into the top network port.
On a tower the top networking port is for a dedicated hardware monitoring service.  The left of the 4 on the NIC is for the console.
Learn the difference between tower and rack mount India.
/CSB
 
2017-09-28 10:46:00 AM  
A friend of mine has worked at IBM for well over a decade now. Up until about three years ago the company was run with an eye to the future. Now it's all about what will maximize the stock price for this quarter, so she is not terribly optimistic about the future.
 
2017-09-28 10:47:19 AM  

Cuyose: India manager responded to change the role names as a sr eng in India wouldn't allow them to be tier 1 while a jr else was tier 2 for that rotation.


Too bad you didn't just tell them you were changing how they were ranked every 6 weeks (or whatever).

"We're ranking tiers sequentially. Tier 2 is a higher rank than Tier 1"

"OK, now we're counting down. Tier 1 is a higher rank than Tier 2 now"
 
2017-09-28 10:53:18 AM  

D_PaulAngel: A friend of mine has worked at IBM for well over a decade now. Up until about three years ago the company was run with an eye to the future. Now it's all about what will maximize the stock price for this quarter, so she is not terribly optimistic about the future.


I'll argue they've been that way for a very long time, I worked at a company that out-scourced a lot of IT services to IBM and it was a constant nightmare for old, ineffective tech and grifting.
 
2017-09-28 10:56:57 AM  

D_PaulAngel: A friend of mine has worked at IBM for well over a decade now. Up until about three years ago the company was run with an eye to the future. Now it's all about what will maximize the stock price for this quarter, so she is not terribly optimistic about the future.


The only reason there's an IBM office in my city is because of the tax/payroll rebates. Once those dry up, the office will close.
 
2017-09-28 11:01:29 AM  
This is why they killed their telecommuting policy, right?  Righhht?
 
2017-09-28 11:02:30 AM  
Are they doing the needful?
 
2017-09-28 11:03:35 AM  
I briefly considered posting a lame "do the needful" joke here, but kinda realized they never were funny to begin with
 
2017-09-28 11:12:04 AM  

Fano: I for one hail our new Indian Rajahs


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2017-09-28 11:19:19 AM  
Of course subby, we are a country of limited national resources and it's crucial we invest as much as possible in coal mining  and it's technology. Coal: the future of the 1900s.
 
kab
2017-09-28 11:23:03 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: We've spent the past couple of decades deliberately dumbing ourselves down while India and others have been building up their STEM expertise and enterprise infrastructure.

Yee. Haw.


Yes, that must be the reason.
 
2017-09-28 11:29:45 AM  
They are doing the needful

/Fark IBM
 
2017-09-28 11:38:56 AM  
why would the US have employees in India?
 
2017-09-28 11:45:00 AM  

UberDave: Thank you, come again.


No, it's "Please Do the Needful".  I believe 50's British Slang for "Do what's necessary".  Apparently they have never updated English textbooks over there.
 
2017-09-28 12:03:06 PM  

tdyak: UberDave: Thank you, come again.

No, it's "Please Do the Needful".  I believe 50's British Slang for "Do what's necessary".  Apparently they have never updated English textbooks over there.


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2017-09-28 12:43:51 PM  

Uewebawo: why would the US have employees in India?


Embassy?
 
2017-09-28 12:44:14 PM  
That's about right.
 
2017-09-28 12:44:50 PM  

kab: CheetahOlivetti: We've spent the past couple of decades deliberately dumbing ourselves down while India and others have been building up their STEM expertise and enterprise infrastructure.

Yee. Haw.

Yes, that must be the reason.


Sounds like IBM needs a corporate tax cut to bring back all those jobs doesn't it?
 
2017-09-28 01:02:55 PM  
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2017-09-28 01:14:13 PM  
apparently the whole of India is on vacation until Tuesday...
 
2017-09-28 01:25:29 PM  
International BM
 
2017-09-28 01:39:04 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: It is International Business Machines, not United States Business Machines.


True.  Still, fark em. My wife got lucky when she left and saw a massive pay increase.

NCSB

I did enjoy a picture someone took at a party some VP just had to throw for her new team of young employees after laying everybody else off.  She bought party hats everyone was supposed to wear to be festive without donning one herself, the look of the small crowd of about 30 employees was almost troubling and I'm still not sure if the girl behind her was actually flipping off the camera but the VP had quite a scowl for a festive party...I'm sure it will be lots of fun there.  Sorry IBMers that are still there... I wish I could find that picture right now.

Oh, one more thing if this is even still going on but IBM was sending out final checks then trying claim some stupid repayment for over payment that was bogus, and doing the cool thing of having some checks arrive weeks late so turn in your company owned shiat (make sure to get that shipping number and check it into IBM's inventory checkout thing), also, California IBM'ers: they are liable for every day up to 30 days for a full days pay IN ADDITION to everything else they owe you.

So if you don't get everything pretty much immediately, count the days until it is everything and file with the state.  I'm pretty sure we are getting the full 30 without resorting to a lawsuit to take it over 30 days but that's not my dept at home.  Also, file as soon as you know is what I'm told.  And the statute of limitations on this is something like 2 years, so go have fun.
 
2017-09-28 02:08:02 PM  
Typical American IT Model.

1>  Demand skill levels that don't exist.
2>  Complain that you can't fill the job.
3>  Hire an unqualified H1B worker or outsource to India.
 
2017-09-28 02:24:47 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Typical American IT Model.

1>  Demand skill levels that don't exist.
2>  Complain that you can't fill the job.
3>  Hire an unqualified H1B worker or outsource to India.


4) ignore workers over 40
 
2017-09-28 02:25:36 PM  

phaseolus: I briefly considered posting a lame "do the needful" joke here, but kinda realized they never were funny to begin with


Aw come on...
 
2017-09-28 02:43:33 PM  
This can't be true. I was assured on Fark that the robots were taking our jobs.
 
2017-09-28 03:12:22 PM  

mcreadyblue: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Typical American IT Model.

1>  Demand skill levels that don't exist.
2>  Complain that you can't fill the job.
3>  Hire an unqualified H1B worker or outsource to India.
4) ignore workers over 40


5)  Encourage lifers close to retirement to leave before pensions, stock, 401k (haha let's match at year end, that will be excellent lulz), Hope some don't realize they actually needed 1 more hour to max out.

I have no idea what 30+ year people may be trying to hang on to, but I can't imagine bonuses are going to pay themselves this year.  Well, or the year before or....
 
2017-09-28 03:13:49 PM  

ukexpat: phaseolus: I briefly considered posting a lame "do the needful" joke here, but kinda realized they never were funny to begin with

Aw come on...


Sorry ... that comment wasn't aimed at you, that word hadn't been mentioned in this thread yet when I started agonizing over my sentence structure.
 
2017-09-28 08:30:52 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: My company outsourced a bunch of jobs to India and it was and still is a disaster.  That group causes so many problems, mainly due to apathy, that there's no way we're saving a dime when you consider all of the time we spend unfarking their work.

And don't start me on their caste culture.  If they think you're beneath them they treat you with utter contempt even when you're trying to help them.  I think that pisses me off more than their incompetence.

Your Indian outsourcing experience may vary.


Mine hasn't in 20 years of IT consulting. They always fark it up. Always. Once so badly that I made about $200,000 at a client keeping the system running while they offshored their ERP, then 3 years later made about $300,000 to help them re-shore the same system because Hexaware farked it up so badly.

And you are NOT kidding about the caste thing. I've seen it a lot. We had a team of about 10 come over from India for the project and it was ridiculous. I overheard them talking shiat all the time about one of the guys that was from the south and had darker skin than most of the others.

And their sexism was *even worse*. One of their more semi-competent developers was a young Indian woman that thankfully spoke decent English. I worked with her a lot and treated her decently like I do everyone. The Indian guys treated her like total dogshiat, even though she was better than most of them. She acted completely astonished and weirdly grateful when I spoke to her as an equal and acted friendly yet professional to her.

We've been married for 9 years this July. Okay, that last part isn't true. But those guys were *dicks* to her.
 
2017-09-28 09:20:58 PM  

Shocktopus: NotThatGuyAgain: My company outsourced a bunch of jobs to India and it was and still is a disaster.  That group causes so many problems, mainly due to apathy, that there's no way we're saving a dime when you consider all of the time we spend unfarking their work.

And don't start me on their caste culture.  If they think you're beneath them they treat you with utter contempt even when you're trying to help them.  I think that pisses me off more than their incompetence.

Your Indian outsourcing experience may vary.

Mine hasn't in 20 years of IT consulting. They always fark it up. Always. Once so badly that I made about $200,000 at a client keeping the system running while they offshored their ERP, then 3 years later made about $300,000 to help them re-shore the same system because Hexaware farked it up so badly.

And you are NOT kidding about the caste thing. I've seen it a lot. We had a team of about 10 come over from India for the project and it was ridiculous. I overheard them talking shiat all the time about one of the guys that was from the south and had darker skin than most of the others.

And their sexism was *even worse*. One of their more semi-competent developers was a young Indian woman that thankfully spoke decent English. I worked with her a lot and treated her decently like I do everyone. The Indian guys treated her like total dogshiat, even though she was better than most of them. She acted completely astonished and weirdly grateful when I spoke to her as an equal and acted friendly yet professional to her.

We've been married for 9 years this July. Okay, that last part isn't true. But those guys were *dicks* to her.


My wife is South Indian and in IT and I can vouch for this
 
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