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(Washington Post)   The scariest part of the most recent polling is that one out of three Americans consider a preemptive nuclear strike against North Korea a good idea. Is it too late to emigrate somewhere safer...like Mars?   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
    More: Scary, Kim Jong-il, Barack Obama, North Korea, George W. Bush, President of the United States, Trump, Korean War, percent  
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2017-09-24 08:33:41 AM  
We really need to get Trump out of office before millions of people die.
 
2017-09-24 08:35:51 AM  
What the fark has gone wrong with this country?
 
2017-09-24 08:47:35 AM  
I blame Truman.  And the UN.  And all the lost opportunities to walk away from NK over the past 60+ years.

Now, with Trump in charge, we are almost forced to face them.  We could have walked away so many times before to avoid this.
 
2017-09-24 08:52:36 AM  
We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that
 
2017-09-24 08:54:21 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that


if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.
 
2017-09-24 08:56:41 AM  

somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.


I consider that a pretty substantial 'if'

/I don't think Un is quite that crazy, either
 
2017-09-24 09:06:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

I consider that a pretty substantial 'if'

/I don't think Un is quite that crazy, either


Trump sent B-1s north of the DMZ yesterday. The dude is deliberately trying to provoke NK into shooting first.

I never thought I'd ever hope to the gods from high stop the thing that Un would be the adult in the room and not take the bait
 
2017-09-24 09:08:06 AM  
Which nut will crack first.

The world watches and waits.
 
2017-09-24 09:09:09 AM  

somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.


Have you ever been right about any of your wild speculation?
 
2017-09-24 09:11:15 AM  

somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

I consider that a pretty substantial 'if'

/I don't think Un is quite that crazy, either

Trump sent B-1s north of the DMZ yesterday. The dude is deliberately trying to provoke NK into shooting first.

I never thought I'd ever hope to the gods from high stop the thing that Un would be the adult in the room and not take the bait


Honestly, I don't think there's anything to worry about. It's just a lot of bellicose dick waving

/Maybe growing up being threatened every day with nuclear holocaust has jaded me a bit
//But I don't think it'll go that far
 
2017-09-24 09:23:34 AM  

Chris Ween: We could have walked away so many times before to avoid this.


Like Nixon did with the Pueblo?
 
2017-09-24 09:25:33 AM  

Mad Scientist: What the fark has gone wrong with this country?


The morons have a way to chorus their voice louder than all others.  And the people who are with them who are *not* morons are too emotionally invested to believe any other way.

But it wouldn't surprise me if this is the same percentage of people that thought preemptively nuking the Soviets back in the 80s would be a good idea.
 
2017-09-24 09:25:52 AM  

Chris Ween: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

Have you ever been right about any of your wild speculation?


which part is wild? NK using a nuke or Trump being forced to respond in kind if they do? I doubt NK would waste their one shot on Guam. But if they did, then Trump would have to respond, with nukes since he's so gung-ho about that.

but since you called me out, tell me where I've been wrong.
 
2017-09-24 09:28:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

I consider that a pretty substantial 'if'

/I don't think Un is quite that crazy, either

Trump sent B-1s north of the DMZ yesterday. The dude is deliberately trying to provoke NK into shooting first.

I never thought I'd ever hope to the gods from high stop the thing that Un would be the adult in the room and not take the bait

Honestly, I don't think there's anything to worry about. It's just a lot of bellicose dick waving

/Maybe growing up being threatened every day with nuclear holocaust has jaded me a bit
//But I don't think it'll go that far


it likely is, but even at the closest we've really ever been to nuclear war (Cuban missile crisis) neither Kennedy or Khrushchev were belligerent dicks to each other the way Un and Trump have been.

Even Reagan and Gorbachev weren't this bad.
 
2017-09-24 09:28:53 AM  

somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

I consider that a pretty substantial 'if'

/I don't think Un is quite that crazy, either

Trump sent B-1s north of the DMZ yesterday. The dude is deliberately trying to provoke NK into shooting first.

I never thought I'd ever hope to the gods from high stop the thing that Un would be the adult in the room and not take the bait

Honestly, I don't think there's anything to worry about. It's just a lot of bellicose dick waving

/Maybe growing up being threatened every day with nuclear holocaust has jaded me a bit
//But I don't think it'll go that far

it likely is, but even at the closest we've really ever been to nuclear war (Cuban missile crisis) neither Kennedy or Khrushchev were belligerent dicks to each other the way Un and Trump have been.

Even Reagan and Gorbachev weren't this bad.


likely is bellicose dick waving. I don't think I made that clear in my post
 
2017-09-24 09:32:15 AM  
Just remember. These Trumplers--at least quite a few of the voters who put Trump in office--actually believe if things get bad enough, Jesus will return triumphant in the clouds and rescue them from physical death.

It's not about reason. It's about the fear of dying. And while everyone--except Jesus if you're a believer--has died before this, these people honestly believe nuclear holocaust killing billions might actually save the true believers from physical death.

After all, like black people in Trump's America, what do Trumplers have to lose? Just a few hundred million Asians? Grandpa did that same kind of killing during WWII. It runs in the families.
 
2017-09-24 09:41:47 AM  

somedude210: Chris Ween: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

Have you ever been right about any of your wild speculation?

which part is wild? NK using a nuke or Trump being forced to respond in kind if they do? I doubt NK would waste their one shot on Guam. But if they did, then Trump would have to respond, with nukes since he's so gung-ho about that.

but since you called me out, tell me where I've been wrong.


Every single third day with your speculation threads.
 
2017-09-24 09:48:14 AM  
People are morons. They're probably think it worked in WWII, so we're 1 for 1. A 100% success rate with preemptive nuke strikes.

I may be way off but I don't think even Trump is that stupid/crazy. And if he is, I have enough faith in our country to believe they have a "contingency" to make sure he doesn't press that button.

/knows he doesn't literally have a button on a chain next to the car keys
 
2017-09-24 10:05:24 AM  
Mars can declare independence too.

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2017-09-24 10:05:33 AM  
You got to hand it to Putin. He really farked over our country: the rational people among us are dazed or depressed; the irrational people among us are motivated and acting; and the stupid people among us think everything is fine.
 
2017-09-24 10:07:47 AM  

bostonguy: Mars can declare independence too.

[img.fark.net image 640x814]


Heh... my first thought was "Oh, you don't want to go there. They've got Shadows."
 
2017-09-24 10:09:11 AM  

Chris Ween: somedude210: Chris Ween: somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.

Have you ever been right about any of your wild speculation?

which part is wild? NK using a nuke or Trump being forced to respond in kind if they do? I doubt NK would waste their one shot on Guam. But if they did, then Trump would have to respond, with nukes since he's so gung-ho about that.

but since you called me out, tell me where I've been wrong.

Every single third day with your speculation threads.


once a week. If you want to be critical, at least be right.

so what about them? You understand they're a repository of rumors and stories that may be flying under the fold, as pertains to Trump-Russia
 
2017-09-24 10:27:11 AM  

Mugato: People are morons. They're probably think it worked in WWII, so we're 1 for 1. A 100% success rate with preemptive nuke strikes.


There were no preemptive nuke strikes in WWII.
 
2017-09-24 10:36:20 AM  

WickerNipple: Mugato: People are morons. They're probably think it worked in WWII, so we're 1 for 1. A 100% success rate with preemptive nuke strikes.

There were no preemptive nuke strikes in WWII.


Technically correct, as it was a pair atomic strikes that were designed to force the Japanese to surrender.

But his point was obvious, and you were just being pedantic.
 
2017-09-24 10:37:39 AM  

Mad Scientist: What the fark has gone wrong with this country?


Gutting of public education, news channels becoming dumber and more banal by the day.
 
2017-09-24 10:37:52 AM  

Mad Scientist: What the fark has gone wrong with this country?


Somewhere along the way we decided that opinions/beliefs were equal to actual facts.
 
2017-09-24 10:39:33 AM  

Mad Scientist: What the fark has gone wrong with this country?


One in three of us are retarded
 
2017-09-24 10:40:03 AM  
One out of three Americans? So, the people who voted for Trump?
 
2017-09-24 10:40:26 AM  
Thank God for the Deep State and it's fearless leader, General John Kelly.
 
2017-09-24 10:41:15 AM  

Chris Ween: I blame Truman.  And the UN.  And all the lost opportunities to walk away from NK over the past 60+ years.

Now, with Trump in charge, we are almost forced to face them.  We could have walked away so many times before to avoid this.


In no way are we forced to face them.  We can continue the same strong defensive stance to deter NK. And that's what we should do.
 
2017-09-24 10:41:18 AM  
I'm hoping that poll is as wrong as the ones that said Hillary would win easily.
 
2017-09-24 10:42:17 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: bostonguy: Mars can declare independence too.

[img.fark.net image 640x814]

Heh... my first thought was "Oh, you don't want to go there. They've got Shadows."


And it's not the kind of place to settle down and raise a family.  Also, the winters can be really rough.
 
2017-09-24 10:43:04 AM  
NK is the Trumpkin's ace in the hole once the investigation gets too close for comfort.
 
2017-09-24 10:43:36 AM  
One out of three Americans get their news from rowdyconservatives.net and angrypatriots.ru.
 
2017-09-24 10:44:00 AM  
last seen flying over north korea.

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2017-09-24 10:46:51 AM  
Even if NK nuked a US territory, respondimg in kind would be stupid. I doubt China, Russia or SK (if they weren't nuked as well) would be cool with all that fallout. Far more effective just to use conventional airstrikes and cruise missiles.
 
2017-09-24 10:47:32 AM  
Polls also show that one out of three support the proto-fascists and neo-nazis in the white house so.... I see this as hardly coincidental
 
2017-09-24 10:48:03 AM  

August11: the rational people among us are dazed or depressed; the irrational people among us are motivated and acting; and the stupid people among us think everything is fine.


So a continuation of the Obumer years
 
2017-09-24 10:48:46 AM  
And, 1 in 4 Americans believe the Sun goes around the Earth.

"Chicken Little" people will believe anything that will satisfy their uneducated fears, just like they believe in Trump, and the Koolaid fed to them by the GOP.
 
2017-09-24 10:49:54 AM  

Man On A Mission: WickerNipple: Mugato: People are morons. They're probably think it worked in WWII, so we're 1 for 1. A 100% success rate with preemptive nuke strikes. There were no preemptive nuke strikes in WWII. Technically correct, as it was a pair atomic strikes that were designed to force the Japanese to surrender. But his point was obvious, and you were just being pedantic.

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2017-09-24 10:50:27 AM  

Mad Scientist: What the fark has gone wrong with this country?


Decades of media manipulation and falling standards of living have turned a large part of Americans into hate-filled shiatgibbons who blame everything but those responsible.
 
2017-09-24 10:50:41 AM  
One out of three Americans would consider stapling a US flag to their genitals while freebasing coal to be a good idea if they saw it on Fox and Friends.
 
2017-09-24 10:51:16 AM  
This sat atop the old Bunker. It's decommissioned now. Now owned by a friend's uncle.

Trump will be in his new bunker. There may not be room for the Republican skeleton government given Trump's family and business and Russian interests. Certainly no Democrats will be allowed.

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2017-09-24 10:53:02 AM  
get your ass to mars
Youtube 91dW9pUA1BI
 
2017-09-24 10:56:44 AM  

Badmoodman: I'm hoping that poll is as wrong as the ones that said Hillary would win easily.


Polls aren't intended to predict a winner. They simply report how many would vote for who. They don't take the EC into account. So the polls were correct.

This has to be explained a lot.
 
2017-09-24 10:56:56 AM  

somedude210: MaudlinMutantMollusk: We won't nuke the NorKs

/China would be a bit upset if we did
//Our economy depends too much on Walmart for that

if NK calls our bluff and nukes Guam, then we would have no choice....and Trump will stay in power indefinitely if they do.


I believe there is a mechanism in the Constitution which prevents that.
 
2017-09-24 10:57:10 AM  
Where does the article say preemptive *nuclear* strike?  It doesn't, that's right.  It just says preemptive strike, and we have a lot of conventional weapons at our disposal.  A few little tests doesn't make NK an actual nuclear armed state, so we wouldn't go after them with nukes.
 
2017-09-24 10:58:04 AM  
See, this is why I think the Mars One volunteers are smart.
 
2017-09-24 11:00:08 AM  

Man On A Mission: Technically correct, as it was a pair atomic strikes that were designed to force the Japanese to surrender.

But his point was obvious, and you were just being pedantic.


No, I wasn't.  There's a big difference between starting a war and ending a war.
 
2017-09-24 11:00:09 AM  
Nuclear war is great for ratings.
 
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