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(Guardian)   Half a million Londoners decide that they'd rather save money than be safe and sign petition demanding Uber keep their licence   ( theguardian.com) divider line
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2017-09-23 11:02:14 AM  
This is the country that opted out of the EU, but demanded that they keep all the privileges of being in the EU, and threw a tantrum when they discovered that they didn't have any leverage from which to make that demand.

In other words, you could probably find half a million of those morons who would sign anything if a smiling face told them it would Make Britain Great Again...
 
2017-09-23 11:06:38 AM  
Safe?

What they want to be safe from are those damn black cabs driven by shysters trying to rob you.
 
2017-09-23 11:20:46 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Safe?

What they want to be safe from are those damn black cabs driven by shysters trying to rob you.


This. It took exactly one 100-euro cab ride to the London Zoo for me to get hip to that one. 45 minutes or so to get there from a hotel in Earl's Court, and we kept seeing signs for the same four streets. The driver wasn't off the phone long enough for us to bring up the matter.

I'd rather take my chances with tube terrorism. Better odds.
 
2017-09-23 11:33:53 AM  

Pazuzu Smith-Jones: I'd rather take my chances with tube terrorism. Better odds.


On one cab ride to Heathrow, I had the driver tell me that they won't allow English coins past the gate, and that I should give him all my spare change.  At least it was amusing.
 
2017-09-23 12:51:14 PM  
The rape is more of a feature than a bug.
 
2017-09-23 01:00:49 PM  
Why don't they just use Lyft or one of the millions of other copy cat apps that should spring up?
 
2017-09-23 01:19:20 PM  
Uber says a half million people signed.
 
2017-09-23 01:19:56 PM  
Of course with London's cost of living continually increasing, it's only the wealthy people making a demand for cheaper, unregulated services despite being able to afford taxis.
 
2017-09-23 01:23:52 PM  

Shostie: The rape is more of a feature than a bug.


Are we talking about taking cabs or working for Uber corporate?
 
2017-09-23 01:24:04 PM  
TFA:Kajal Odedra, the UK director at Change.org, said: "That is the fastest growing petition we've seen in the UK this year. The speed with which this grew shows how powerful online campaigning can be."

And how powerful is that, exactly?

Has any change.org petition ever actually achieved its goal any resulted in meaningful real-world change?  Ever?
 
2017-09-23 01:24:24 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Safe?

What they want to be safe from are those damn black cabs driven by shysters trying to rob you.


You would be saying this if it was white cabs.  Racist.
 
2017-09-23 01:28:23 PM  
Spent the last of your cash on another pint? When the cabbie says the cc machine is broken, uber is the safe choice home.
 
2017-09-23 01:28:28 PM  
Black cabs aren't safe. They're driven by violent criminal thugs who will steal your last dollar if they can.

fark the traditional taxi industry. They made their bed.

/My local cab company is actually decent
//And the monopoly shiat got broken up years back
 
2017-09-23 01:31:05 PM  
I use Lyft because they are an order of magnitude less evil than Uber, but it's not about the money. If it cost 60% more than a normal cab I would still use it because they are more reliable, more responsive, and I can order and pay from my phone. It's all about better customer service.
 
2017-09-23 01:31:22 PM  
Are the black cabs the ones that require to learn like 13000 street names and locations throughout London ? None of these guys go through so much effort to ruin it over bad service, would they ?
 
2017-09-23 01:32:49 PM  
WTF, I don't understand fark's hate for unregulated things. If it's not blessed by the government, fark is against it.

Fark, you're a bunch of little biatches
 
2017-09-23 01:34:21 PM  

Mokmo: Are the black cabs the ones that require to learn like 13000 street names and locations throughout London ? None of these guys go through so much effort to ruin it over bad service, would they ?


You'd be amazed how many locations are on a map app. Uber tells you how much the trip will cost before you go, and you know it's the shortest route.
 
2017-09-23 01:35:17 PM  

brilett: Uber says a half million people signed.


Much like every other petition on the internet, I suspect there are about 25,000 "Londoners", and the rest are keyboard warriors from every part of the globe.  But hey, I'm sure hipsters in (fill-in-the-blank) are bigly invested in Ubers' London situation...
 
2017-09-23 01:35:35 PM  
I just call an eight year old girl.
See previous thread.
 
2017-09-23 01:35:38 PM  

Mokmo: Are the black cabs the ones that require to learn like 13000 street names and locations throughout London ? None of these guys go through so much effort to ruin it over bad service, would they ?


GPS mapping makes that skill obsolete.
 
2017-09-23 01:36:08 PM  
Good for them. Uber is a hell of alot cheaper, and they arrive much quicker than cabs.
 
2017-09-23 01:38:47 PM  

FormlessOne: This is the country that opted out of the EU, but demanded that they keep all the privileges of being in the EU, and threw a tantrum when they discovered that they didn't have any leverage from which to make that demand.

In other words, you could probably find half a million of those morons who would sign anything if a smiling face told them it would Make Britain Great Again...


It's funny that a search for 'cabbie violence England' turns up some numbers to compare vs the Uber scare, yet nobody here can be arsed to actually validate their narrative that Uber  = bad.

/and by funny, I mean pathetic
 
2017-09-23 01:41:50 PM  
Uber is like Walmart

To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.
 
2017-09-23 01:45:02 PM  

Doc Daneeka: TFA:Kajal Odedra, the UK director at Change.org, said: "That is the fastest growing petition we've seen in the UK this year. The speed with which this grew shows how powerful online campaigning can be."

And how powerful is that, exactly?

Has any change.org petition ever actually achieved its goal any resulted in meaningful real-world change?  Ever?


Nope. Never.
 
2017-09-23 01:47:02 PM  

uber humper: Mokmo: Are the black cabs the ones that require to learn like 13000 street names and locations throughout London ? None of these guys go through so much effort to ruin it over bad service, would they ?

You'd be amazed how many locations are on a map app. Uber tells you how much the trip will cost before you go, and you know it's the shortest route.


Username checks out.
 
2017-09-23 01:48:27 PM  
I live in Ocala.

We have Dan the Taxi Man, has about three cabs, they all look to be late 1990s Mercury Marquis.  Dan has no office, but dispatches from his cell phone in the cab to the other other cars.  They smell like vomit.   Min fare is 15 bucks, and if you want to pay with a card he charges you a 20 dollar processing fee to use his square reader.

Uber to take me three miles to my house in a new, clean smelling car, with a pleasant driver is 8 bucks as opposed to the other guy who tries to gank me for an extra 20 because I do not carry cash, nor does he like to go to an ATM.
 
2017-09-23 01:49:45 PM  

wademh: Uber is like Walmart

To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.


Bad analogy.  Walmart runs everyone out of business selling cheap plastic junk from China, taking out not just the local businesses, but also the domestic manufacturers and their jobs.  Uber shifts jobs from one group of people to another, but the jobs are still local.  It's the taxi companies that lose.  Given these companies tend to have shady practices, I don't have a problem with this.
 
2017-09-23 01:50:18 PM  

wademh: Uber is like Walmart

To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.


See my example, regular taxi in my town is double what uber cost, and there is a 20 dollar surcharge to use a card on a square reader.
 
2017-09-23 01:50:20 PM  
"a 'great company meaningfully contributing to society' "?

Yeah, when I think Uber, I think "not in it for the money" at all.
 
2017-09-23 01:50:44 PM  

wademh: To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.


A large portion of people aren't defending Uber because it's cheaper. They're defending Uber because it's better than cabs. It could be more expensive than a cab, and still superior.

Cabs dug their own graves with terrible, terrible service.
 
2017-09-23 01:52:14 PM  

uber humper: WTF, I don't understand fark's hate for unregulated things. If it's not blessed by the government, fark is against it.

Fark, you're a bunch of little biatches


Name checks out.
 
2017-09-23 01:52:50 PM  
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2017-09-23 01:53:06 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: uber humper: Mokmo: Are the black cabs the ones that require to learn like 13000 street names and locations throughout London ? None of these guys go through so much effort to ruin it over bad service, would they ?

You'd be amazed how many locations are on a map app. Uber tells you how much the trip will cost before you go, and you know it's the shortest route.

Username checks out.


Damn you!
 
2017-09-23 01:55:03 PM  
These stories are certainly vindication of Uber's, "Do it without asking" strategy. Before the regulators descend, give people a taste of what they'd be missing out on. If they had waited for permission and tried to surmount all the obstacles the regulators threw in their way, they'd probably not be operating in London, but nobody would have known what they could have had.
 
2017-09-23 01:55:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Safe?

What they want to be safe from are those damn black cabs driven by shysters trying to rob you.


Yup.  Cab drivers in Prague were recently protesting Uber....I guess criminals don't like it when their monopoly is threatened.  (Thankfully, I listened to warnings from others, and never used a single cab when I was there.)
 
2017-09-23 01:57:23 PM  
Can anyone recommend a decent cab company around Heathrow?  I'm staying at a hotel next to the airport for one night, and I want to get out to one of the towns and have a few beers at a traditional English pub.
 
2017-09-23 01:57:46 PM  
Is Lyft in London? 

LavenderWolf: Black cabs aren't safe. They're driven by violent criminal thugs who will steal your last dollar if they can.

fark the traditional taxi industry. They made their bed.

/My local cab company is actually decent
//And the monopoly shiat got broken up years back


I have no love for Uber - only use Lyft - but this argument that traditional taxis are some how safer because drivers are better vetted is completely ridiculous. In major cities it's not that unusual to have a cab driver who is clearly not the licensed driver whose photo you see posted in the cab - traditional taxis break the rules too.

Now that article says that police claim that Uber is slow to report crimes but says nothing about how well traditional taxis comply with the law.

This is all about money and traditional taxis have just done a better job lobbying the mayor than Uber (and it obviously doesn't help that all of Uber's scandals have made them an easy to hate company).
 
2017-09-23 01:58:11 PM  
Choice and personal decisions are so last century.  People should only be able to get rides from clean, courteous, reliable, timely, affordable, heavily regulated taxicabs.
 
2017-09-23 01:58:18 PM  

theflatline: I live in Ocala.

We have Dan the Taxi Man, has about three cabs, they all look to be late 1990s Mercury Marquis.  Dan has no office, but dispatches from his cell phone in the cab to the other other cars.  They smell like vomit.   Min fare is 15 bucks, and if you want to pay with a card he charges you a 20 dollar processing fee to use his square reader.

Uber to take me three miles to my house in a new, clean smelling car, with a pleasant driver is 8 bucks as opposed to the other guy who tries to gank me for an extra 20 because I do not carry cash, nor does he like to go to an ATM.


I'm pretty sure there are cab drivers that love to go ATM.
 
2017-09-23 02:00:27 PM  

theflatline: I live in Ocala.

We have Dan the Taxi Man, has about three cabs, they all look to be late 1990s Mercury Marquis.  Dan has no office, but dispatches from his cell phone in the cab to the other other cars.  They smell like vomit.   Min fare is 15 bucks, and if you want to pay with a card he charges you a 20 dollar processing fee to use his square reader.

Uber to take me three miles to my house in a new, clean smelling car, with a pleasant driver is 8 bucks as opposed to the other guy who tries to gank me for an extra 20 because I do not carry cash, nor does he like to go to an ATM.


that's really messed up that someone can get away with that anywhere in America. ol Dan should have his hack license yanked.
 
2017-09-23 02:02:28 PM  
In London, Uber drivers were required to go through the same background check as taxi drivers.
 
2017-09-23 02:13:44 PM  

wademh: Uber is like Walmart

To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.


In many places, Uber isn't cheaper than a taxi. People still use it. If the taxi industry actually got its shiat together and stopped farking around with passengers - dirtier vehicles, rude drivers, circuitous routes to bump the fare, "broken" credit card readers that magically repair themselves when the driver realizes you have no cash, dispatches that never turn up because the driver found another fare but don't have to tell you, drivers refusing to take you where you ask to go despite it being illegal to do so once you're in the cab, etc. - there would never have been demand for Uber in the first place. Hell, at least in DC, pre-UberX, all they had was the black cars, which were more than a taxi, and people still used them over taxis.
 
2017-09-23 02:14:53 PM  

uber humper: WTF, I don't understand fark's hate for unregulated things. If it's not blessed by the government, fark is against it.

Fark, you're a bunch of little biatches


Regulations are meant to protect people from big businesses. History has demonstrated time and again, when left to their own devices, big businesses either can't or won't behave responsibly.

Perhaps, corporations are people. Unfortunately, those people tend to act more like Veruca Salt and less like Fezziwig.
 
2017-09-23 02:16:43 PM  
Everyone knows that a cab license in London is like a personal reference from Jesus himself and guarantees the highest level of morality and virtually guarantees the absence of criminal though and behavior, whereas 75% of Uber drivers are pedophiles, rapists, and murderers.
 
2017-09-23 02:16:51 PM  

Type random string here: "a 'great company meaningfully contributing to society' "?

Yeah, when I think Uber, I think "not in it for the money" at all.


And cab companies run their businesses out of the goodness of their hearts and give all profits to charity.
 
2017-09-23 02:25:56 PM  
They must be fed up with these idiotic drivers that stop in the middle of the road to let people out.
 
2017-09-23 02:27:14 PM  

FormlessOne: This is the country that opted out of the EU, but demanded that they keep all the privileges of being in the EU, and threw a tantrum when they discovered that they didn't have any leverage from which to make that demand.

In other words, you could probably find half a million of those morons who would sign anything if a smiling face told them it would Make Britain Great Again...


I'm guess you didn't read the article.   The smiling face said "don't keep Uber".  The populace disagreed.
 
2017-09-23 02:27:21 PM  

G. Tarrant: wademh: Uber is like Walmart

To save a little money, stupid people will destroy civilization. Those defending Uber today because it's cheaper than Taxis, will grow old and complain about their taxes in their later years.

In many places, Uber isn't cheaper than a taxi. People still use it. If the taxi industry actually got its shiat together and stopped farking around with passengers - dirtier vehicles, rude drivers, circuitous routes to bump the fare, "broken" credit card readers that magically repair themselves when the driver realizes you have no cash, dispatches that never turn up because the driver found another fare but don't have to tell you, drivers refusing to take you where you ask to go despite it being illegal to do so once you're in the cab, etc. - there would never have been demand for Uber in the first place. Hell, at least in DC, pre-UberX, all they had was the black cars, which were more than a taxi, and people still used them over taxis.


It's about on par cost-wise with taxis in my city.


Taxi: Absolutely filthy cars and drivers about 85% of the time. Attitude is a crapshoot, some really nice ones, some raging assholes. All cars reek of smoke as the drivers smoke when there are no passengers, though it is illegal. Driver will try to take the long way - there is a GPS on the tablet on the dash but it is never used. So many of them on the roads that the taxi drivers of competing (and same) companies get into fights with each other, long before Uber came along. Background checks? Perhaps, but they still allow those who have been charged with DUI and assault to drive, so what's the point?

Uber: Always clean, driver bathes, always friendly (so far), I know the price before I even get in the car, and they have a GPS always active if the route to my destination is unclear. Very few of them in this city, perhaps because cabbies have been arrested for assaulting Uber drivers. Background checks? Required, actually. From Uber's Canadian site: "All uberX driver-partners must pass a background check that includes a National Criminal Record Check of Federal RCMP databases. We have a zero-tolerance policy on any criminal record, including sexual offenses." So someone with a criminal background could easily get a job driving a cab, but not for Uber.
 
2017-09-23 02:29:51 PM  

The_Sponge: Can anyone recommend a decent cab company around Heathrow?  I'm staying at a hotel next to the airport for one night, and I want to get out to one of the towns and have a few beers at a traditional English pub.


Take the tube.
 
2017-09-23 02:30:36 PM  

The_Sponge: Can anyone recommend a decent cab company around Heathrow?  I'm staying at a hotel next to the airport for one night, and I want to get out to one of the towns and have a few beers at a traditional English pub.


Just mak sure the minicab company and the driver they send are TFL licenced and you should be fine. The hotel will generally have one or two decent local firms they can recommend, too. 'Around Heathrow' is a bit too general an area to recommend for, given how big the airport itself and the surrounding commercial areas are. :)
 
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