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2017-09-23 03:42:01 AM  
Or Trump's given them something they wanted.
 
2017-09-23 04:19:38 AM  
FFS China - take a page from the Removing Bad Governments for Dummies book and get rid of this guy.  Then go after Kim Jong-un
 
2017-09-23 06:10:31 AM  
Don't worry Best Korea Papa Putin will take care of you.
 
2017-09-23 06:15:12 AM  
The earth is also getting sick of their shiat:

North Korea: Tremor detected in north east

China says explosion, SK says earthquake. Reportedly near nuclear test site.
 
2017-09-23 07:12:58 AM  
China: "Yeah, we're totes gonna restrict trade with NK"
*Looks at Kim Jong Un*
*Winks*
 
2017-09-23 07:28:57 AM  
Horse Hockey
 
2017-09-23 07:47:00 AM  
Yup, total bullshiat.
 
2017-09-23 08:23:58 AM  
Ooh the textile ban, although seemingly the least important of banned things, is going to suck for them. NK produces one fabric- an artificial worse than polyester ick that is reportedly hideously uncomfortable. I sure hope DearLeader doesn't outgrow his suits any time soon.
 
2017-09-23 08:30:03 AM  
What did the people of North Korea ever do to the Kims to deserve their punishment?
 
2017-09-23 09:20:44 AM  

Yakk: Horse Hockey


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2017-09-23 09:26:47 AM  
Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?
 
2017-09-23 09:43:28 AM  
China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.
 
2017-09-23 09:49:53 AM  

bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.


...belatedly realizing my plan has a far better chance working with Kim Jong-un and not Kim Jong Il.  Still sticking with the "buy our way out of this" strategy.
 
2017-09-23 09:52:16 AM  

bonobo73: Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:


I prefer the movie plot version.

Kidnap Kim and replace him with a double who's in the tank for America. Much less turmoil that way.
 
2017-09-23 09:55:53 AM  

bonobo73: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.

...belatedly realizing my plan has a far better chance working with Kim Jong-un and not Kim Jong Il.  Still sticking with the "buy our way out of this" strategy.


I dunno; if 10bn reflects the number of brains on offer, zombie Kim Kong Il may just accept.
 
2017-09-23 10:03:11 AM  

Thor's Mighty Wrench: bonobo73: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.

...belatedly realizing my plan has a far better chance working with Kim Jong-un and not Kim Jong Il.  Still sticking with the "buy our way out of this" strategy.

I dunno; if 10bn reflects the number of brains on offer, zombie Kim Kong Il may just accept.


What a Kim Kong Il may look like:

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/Farkin' autocorrect.
 
2017-09-23 10:19:09 AM  

doglover: Or Trump's given them something they wanted.


Interesting how Trump's random comment about "gas lines forming in Pyongyang" suddenly make sense now.

I figure that Tillerson probably got word that the Chinese were going to do this and told Trump.

So if China is willing to do this then I think Un is going to be pretty much brought back in line. NK is valuable enough to China so that they will only do something drastic as an absolute last resort. It looks like NK is pushing that limit.
 
2017-09-23 10:20:25 AM  
"Clothing has often partially been made in North Korea, but finished in China, allowing a Made in China label to be legally sewn onto the clothing"

Okay fark that shiat. I hate the thought of being duped into supporting Little Kim via some slight of hand.
 
2017-09-23 10:24:20 AM  

bonobo73: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.

...belatedly realizing my plan has a far better chance working with Kim Jong-un and not Kim Jong Il.  Still sticking with the "buy our way out of this" strategy.


If we just give him a little bit of room to live, maybe use a German word for this idea - that will surely get us what we want.

Billions of dollars are nice, but it doesn't come close to the power of ruling a country. And offering a bounty of Un's head is a great way to destabilize a now-nuclear power to the point where nukes could get purchased by the highest bidder. (Though there are doubts of how miniaturized the warheads actually are).
 
2017-09-23 10:27:01 AM  

fragMasterFlash: "Clothing has often partially been made in North Korea, but finished in China, allowing a Made in China label to be legally sewn onto the clothing"

Okay fark that shiat. I hate the thought of being duped into supporting Little Kim via some slight of hand.


Don't worry, two things Trump knows all about are clothing made in China and slight hands. He'll have your back.
 
2017-09-23 10:27:45 AM  

JerkStore: Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?


Don't fool yourself. China is looking out purely for Number 1. Their only motivation is to not have 10 million refugees pour across the Yalu River.

Sure, China cut back refined petro product exports 10%...just enough that NK can make up for in its small refinery with unrestricted crude oil imports. NK's textiles are junk not even the Chinese can sell. Meanwhile, NK's meth, fentanyl and counterfeit currency factories are humming along 24/7.
 
2017-09-23 10:31:50 AM  

Demetrius: China: "Yeah, we're totes gonna restrict trade with NK"
*Looks at Kim Jong Un*
*Winks*


Yeah, this.  Sanctions mean squat.  Both China and Russia are violating them.
 
2017-09-23 10:32:51 AM  
As long as these are enforced, I'll believe it. Who's checking?
 
2017-09-23 11:00:16 AM  
Too little too late.  America has its war boner on.  The only question is who we are going to fark with it. While North Korea seems to be the number one choice, don't write off Iran, Afganistan, or some random country.
 
2017-09-23 11:03:21 AM  

bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.

Let's say that Kim would actually take the deal. There are still several problems:

1. There will be no transition government. It will be a puppet government run by Beijing and the new government isn't going to care about the plight of the North Koreans. Which leads me to...

2. Given how China treats its own people, just imagine what they'll do to the North Koreans. They'll probably forbid them from entering China and the Chinese will strip mine the country and force the North Koreans to be the laborers. And we'll be financing this whole thing. Let me put it this way: China is pretty low on the list of countries that you want administering humanitarian relief.

3. South Korea is going to be pissed. While bordering China is less of a national security threat than North Korea, they still don't want to border China, and, the Chinese will probably encourage the North Koreans to migrate south. 

So the threat of war may be diffused, but then you're helping to finance a humanitarian crisis that will destabilize South Korea (they'll really be the ones having to deal with the North Korean population).
 
2017-09-23 11:04:55 AM  

Stone Meadow: JerkStore: Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?

Don't fool yourself. China is looking out purely for Number 1. Their only motivation is to not have 10 million refugees pour across the Yalu River.

Sure, China cut back refined petro product exports 10%...just enough that NK can make up for in its small refinery with unrestricted crude oil imports. NK's textiles are junk not even the Chinese can sell. Meanwhile, NK's meth, fentanyl and counterfeit currency factories are humming along 24/7.


It's weird that the article didn't explicitly mention the new measure only amounts to a 10% reduction in oil moved, leaving the reader to do the math.
 
2017-09-23 11:11:59 AM  
"Looks like China is getting sick of North Korea's shiat"

As well they should.
 
2017-09-23 11:27:38 AM  

bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong Il-


I'll take it!
 
2017-09-23 11:31:01 AM  

fifthhorseman: Too little too late.  America has its war boner on.  The only question is who we are going to fark with it. While North Korea seems to be the number one choice, don't write off Iran, Afganistan, or some random country.


Please contact a Doctor if your war boner last longer than 4 hours .... Oh and would you mind wiping that up?
 
2017-09-23 11:32:54 AM  

fifthhorseman: Too little too late.  America has its war boner on.  The only question is who we are going to fark with it. While North Korea seems to be the number one choice, don't write off Iran, Afganistan, or some random country.


No, jackhole, "America" doesn't have its war boner on. Trump does. Nobody I know, even the war nerds, are anxious for a real nuclear exchange.
 
2017-09-23 11:34:41 AM  
No need to worry, Russia and China still haven't banned exporting nukes and nuclear technology to them.
 
2017-09-23 11:48:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: fifthhorseman: Too little too late.  America has its war boner on.  The only question is who we are going to fark with it. While North Korea seems to be the number one choice, don't write off Iran, Afganistan, or some random country.

No, jackhole, "America" doesn't have its war boner on. Trump does. Nobody I know, even the war nerds, are anxious for a real nuclear exchange.


Thanks for keeping it civil, Gyr.  Way to rise above.  Assmunch.
 
2017-09-23 11:51:36 AM  

JerkStore: Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?


. . . then they should do a better job of controlling the situation, because they are able to do so
 
2017-09-23 12:01:14 PM  

fifthhorseman: Too little too late.  America has its war boner on.  The only question is who we are going to fark with it. While North Korea seems to be the number one choice, don't write off Iran, Afganistan, or some random country.


Naw, just the crazies.  And their president.  And, I don't think the drumpher really wants one.   He just wants to watch faux news and hold rallies.  Call me crazy, but I still think that this isn't going anywhere.
 
2017-09-23 12:07:06 PM  
thornhill: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.
Let's say that Kim would actually take the deal. There are still several problems:

1. There will be no transition government. It will be a puppet government run by Beijing and the new government isn't going to care about the plight of the North Koreans. Which leads me to...


Basically you're arguing that any occupation by the Chinese would be worse for North Koreans than the current conditions under a canonical totalitarian regime where its citizens have faced perpetual material crises economic isolation, and periods of starvation.   Sorry, I don't buy that.

2. Given how China treats its own people, just imagine what they'll do to the North Koreans. They'll probably forbid them from entering China and the Chinese will strip mine the country and force the North Koreans to be the laborers. And we'll be financing this whole thing. Let me put it this way: China is pretty low on the list of countries that you want administering humanitarian relief.

If this scenario were realistic then it would have happened during the Korean War, when China basically took over North Korea (in the same way the United States basically took over South Korea).

3. South Korea is going to be pissed. While bordering China is less of a national security threat than North Korea, they still don't want to border China, and, the Chinese will probably encourage the North Koreans to migrate south.

So the threat of war may be diffused, but then you're helping to finance a humanitarian crisis that will destabilize South Korea (they'll really be the ones having to deal with the North Korean population).


I'm hard pressed to see how there would be major political resistance in South Korea their North Korean kinsmen across the border.  As stated above the real destabilization worry that China has is on its border with North Korea, which is part of the reason why it's been avoiding any work on this conflict.   The economic powerhouse of South Korea is more likely able to handle any influx, and if not, funding could also go their way as well.
 
2017-09-23 12:16:31 PM  

Demetrius: China: "Yeah, we're totes gonna restrict trade with NK"
*Looks at Kim Jong Un*
*Winks*


It's a wee bit more complicated than that. But whatevs, harlee doubts you would be swayed by rational argument.
 
2017-09-23 12:19:09 PM  

bonobo73: thornhill: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.
Let's say that Kim would actually take the deal. There are still several problems:

1. There will be no transition government. It will be a puppet government run by Beijing and the new government isn't going to care about the plight of the North Koreans. Which leads me to...

Basically you're arguing that any occupation by the Chinese would be worse for North Koreans than the current conditions under a canonical totalitarian regime where its citizens have faced perpetual material crises economic isolation, and periods of starvation.   Sorry, I don't buy that.

2. Given how China treats its own people, just imagine what they'll do to the North Koreans. They'll probably forbid them from entering China and the Chinese will strip mine the country and force the North Koreans to be the laborers. And we'll be financing this whole thing. Let me put it this way: China is pretty low on the list of countries that you want administering humanitarian relief.

If this scenario were realistic then it would have happened during the Korean War, when China basically took over North Korea (in the same way the United States basically took over South Korea).

3. South Korea is going to be pissed. While bordering China is less of a national security threat than North Korea, they still don't want to border China, and, the Chinese will probably encourage the North Koreans to migrate south.

So the threat of war may be diffused, but then you're helping to finance a humanitarian crisis that will destabilize South Korea (they'll really be the ones having to deal with the North Korean population).

I'm hard pressed to see how there would be major political resistance in South Korea their North Korean kinsmen across the border.  As stated above the real destabilization worry that China has is on its border with North Korea, which is part of the reason why it's been avoiding any work on this conflict.   The economic powerhouse of South Korea is more likely able to handle any influx, and if not, funding could also go their way as well.


They don't view them as their kinsmen. There was an article on Fark recently about all of the tensions between South Koreans and North Koreans who are living in the South.
 
2017-09-23 12:27:01 PM  

JerkStore: Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?


No. China takes their traditional Long View of history and their utterly pragmatic foreign policy quite seriously.

There is no fraternal love or loyalty between China and North Korea. If anything, there is a basic underlying enmity, based on centuries of invasions and warfare. China will do what is best for China.
 
2017-09-23 12:31:51 PM  

bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.


Excellent plan. Simpler than harlee's plan, which involves withdrawal of all US military presence from mainland Asia, unification and total demilitarization of NK and SK with safety guarantees from Russia, China and Japan, and similar billions in aid guarantees to go to SK to rehabilitate the Norks.
 
2017-09-23 12:33:26 PM  

doglover: Or Trump's given them something they wanted.


Or, more likely, started making it clear that China could pay an economic penalty for their support of the Norks. That acquisition of Lattice Semiconductor that got torpedoed recently was ostensibly about national security, but I'll bet there was some whispering in diplomatic channels that Chinese support of North Korea was a factor, even if a minor one. Now Trump might start imposing tariffs on imported solar panels, and if I were him, I'd be letting them know that what I did would reflect my feelings toward their North Korea stance. Just keep ratcheting up the pressure until they get the message.
 
2017-09-23 12:33:29 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: bonobo73: Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

I prefer the movie plot version.

Kidnap Kim and replace him with a double who's in the tank for America. Much less turmoil that way.


Great. Now harlee has the Mission Impossible theme song going through his head.
 
2017-09-23 12:43:05 PM  

jjorsett: doglover: Or Trump's given them something they wanted.

Or, more likely, started making it clear that China could pay an economic penalty for their support of the Norks. That acquisition of Lattice Semiconductor that got torpedoed recently was ostensibly about national security, but I'll bet there was some whispering in diplomatic channels that Chinese support of North Korea was a factor, even if a minor one. Now Trump might start imposing tariffs on imported solar panels, and if I were him, I'd be letting them know that what I did would reflect my feelings toward their North Korea stance. Just keep ratcheting up the pressure until they get the message.


What does Putin want?

Stop pretending his biatch boy Trump is anything other than a pawn on the chessboard. Seriously.
 
2017-09-23 12:47:28 PM  

thornhill: They don't view them as their kinsmen. There was an article on Fark recently about all of the tensions between South Koreans and North Koreans who are living in the South.


In the various things I've read, including testaments of NK defectors, South Koreans tend to see the Norks as rubes and easy marks, and con men tend to make short work of them unless they're carefully guided.
 
2017-09-23 01:01:28 PM  
Meanwhile I'm getting sick of Trump and the GOP's shiat.

Time for the demonic possession of White House portraits ritual to be done methinks.
 
2017-09-23 01:06:10 PM  

thornhill: bonobo73: thornhill: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.
Let's say that Kim would actually take the deal. There are still several problems:

1. There will be no transition government. It will be a puppet government run by Beijing and the new government isn't going to care about the plight of the North Koreans. Which leads me to...

Basically you're arguing that any occupation by the Chinese would be worse for North Koreans than the current conditions under a canonical totalitarian regime where its citizens have faced perpetual material crises economic isolation, and periods of starvation.   Sorry, I don't buy that.

2. Given how China treats its own people, just imagine what they'll do to the North Koreans. They'll probably forbid them from entering China and the Chinese will strip mine the country and force the North Koreans to be the laborers. And we'll be financing this whole thing. Let me put it this way: China is pretty low on the list of countries that you want administering humanitarian relief.

If this scenario were realistic then it would have happened during the Korean War, when China basically took over North Korea (in the same way the United States basically took over South Korea).

3. South Korea is going to be pissed. While bordering China is less of a national security threat than ...


And the majority of North Koreans who defect to South Korea often end up with the world's worst case of culture shock, and end up wanting to go back to NK. Sure, there's a lot of humanitarian sentiment in South Korea, but the people who actually move there are more or less treated like "untouchables".

North Korean defector says she's "trapped"...
Youtube pUMtDlusNUs
 
2017-09-23 01:38:44 PM  

kling_klang_bed: thornhill: bonobo73: thornhill: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong I'll and first circle cronies to abdicate and self-exile to China.  To be replaced with a $1 billion bounty and full amnesty for the assassination of Kim Jong Il if refused.

$90 billion in promises subsidies and or equivalent to China to take over administer and support North Korea during a transition government.

The outcome (if it worked) would be a bloodless removal of an unstable regime for a relatively cheap price when compared to any military option.
.
Let's say that Kim would actually take the deal. There are still several problems:

1. There will be no transition government. It will be a puppet government run by Beijing and the new government isn't going to care about the plight of the North Koreans. Which leads me to...

Basically you're arguing that any occupation by the Chinese would be worse for North Koreans than the current conditions under a canonical totalitarian regime where its citizens have faced perpetual material crises economic isolation, and periods of starvation.   Sorry, I don't buy that.

2. Given how China treats its own people, just imagine what they'll do to the North Koreans. They'll probably forbid them from entering China and the Chinese will strip mine the country and force the North Koreans to be the laborers. And we'll be financing this whole thing. Let me put it this way: China is pretty low on the list of countries that you want administering humanitarian relief.

If this scenario were realistic then it would have happened during the Korean War, when China basically took over North Korea (in the same way the United States basically took over South Korea).

3. South Korea is going to be pissed. While bordering China is less of a national security ...


Right.

That's why everyone kind of prefers the status quo of the family Kim being in power. Even if there is a war and somehow South Korea isn't decimated by North Korea's artillery, nobody wants to deal with the 25 million North Koreans. And, I doubt the US will ever fire first because of North Korea's artillery that's pointed out South Korea. Trump my be insane, but his generals aren't.

Even if North Korea detonates a hydrogen bomb over the ocean I doubt anything will happen except some more sanctions and name calling by Trump.
 
2017-09-23 01:42:31 PM  

Harlee: JerkStore: Does it seem strange to anyone else that China is now the adult in the room?

No. China takes their traditional Long View of history and their utterly pragmatic foreign policy quite seriously.

There is no fraternal love or loyalty between China and North Korea. If anything, there is a basic underlying enmity, based on centuries of invasions and warfare. China will do what is best for China.


And, China much rather have North Korea along its border than South Korea (because they are a US ally). Maintaining the status of quo is ideal for them.
 
2017-09-23 01:48:51 PM  
President Trump's executive order probably had a lot to do with it.
 
2017-09-23 01:56:10 PM  

bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.


And they have a point. Problem is, our trigger-happy POTUS has changed that equation - now, it's "should I disassemble North Korea's government in an orderly manner over the next few years, or watch in horror as Orange Julius Caesar ballistically decommissions the entire area for generations?"

Our buffoon-in-chief is spoiling for an excuse to become a "wartime president," just so he can delay the inevitable ousting that much longer - that's why he's trying to press Kim Jong-un's buttons in the UN. He wants a shooting war between the U.S. and, well, anybody. Syria won't cut it - Obama started that one, and so he can't take credit for it - so it's gotta be either North Korea or Iran. Iran won't fall for his bullshiat, however, but will kick his ass - Iran's military is nothing at which to sneer - so it's gotta be North Korea.
 
2017-09-23 02:17:57 PM  

Kim Jong-il: bonobo73: China has previously balked at allowing North Korea to collapse due to the enormous and destabilizing refugee crisis at its front door.

Here's what I would do if President and it was politically acceptable:

$10 billion buyout offer to Kim Jong Il-

I'll take it!


Alright, where do we send the check?
 
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