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(CNBC)   Thanks to Trump, both the Republicans and Democrats are finished as political parties   ( cnbc.com) divider line
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2017-09-18 09:10:15 AM  
...yeah. Sure. The insightful analysis of this fool has convinced me.

This moron still thinks that George Washington had wooden teeth, for Christ's sake. Why would I listen to anything this simpleton utters?
 
2017-09-18 09:12:21 AM  
DNRTFA, but is this a bad thing?
 
2017-09-18 09:20:41 AM  

BizarreMan: DNRTFA, but is this a bad thing?


No. He's falsely equivocating all over the place. "Sure, Trump's gone around the GOP leadership and thumbed his nose at the House by dealing with Democrats, and that's eviscerated the Republicans EXACTLY AS MUCH as Clinton touting her new book, because the Democrats are 'embarrassed' that she just won't shut up about the election."

He's a choad, clearly trying to manufacture a "Trump's playing 12-dimensional chess while the GOP's got its thumb up its ass and the Democrats are scratching their pits" type of "both sides are bad" argument.
 
2017-09-18 09:23:56 AM  
Article starts stupid and stays dumb.
 
2017-09-18 09:25:04 AM  
[ Mission Accomplished ]
 
2017-09-18 09:26:39 AM  
For now, lost party influence will continue to enable Trump's generally hard-to-define policy leanings. He'll easily shift between the right and the left as it suits him with more freedom than perhaps any other president in 100 years.

So Jake Novak doesn't understand what is going on. He is still in his bubble. Trump's "hard-to-define policy leanings" aren't hard to define. They are what Trump deems will help him. Short term, long term, no term, revenge term, whatever. The sooner this guy figures it out, the sooner he can start writing normal columns.
 
2017-09-18 09:28:09 AM  
I guess we'll see, won't we?
 
2017-09-18 09:36:30 AM  
Usually we write off the losing party as finished for good. It is news when we're writing off the winner. Therefore I'd say the GOP is in worse shape then the Dems simply because they can't seem to hang onto their own.

But don't forget, the GOP was written off after the Tea Party successes of a few years ago. Today, they control all three branches of government yet they're unable to do a thing because something something.
 
2017-09-18 09:40:11 AM  
Ah, jay, not this article again. Saying that both major US parties are doomed doesn't make it any fresher.

The coalitions underlying each party will evolve and re-align. The brand names are here to stay.
 
2017-09-18 09:47:07 AM  

Nadie_AZ: For now, lost party influence will continue to enable Trump's generally hard-to-define policy leanings. He'll easily shift between the right and the left as it suits him with more freedom than perhaps any other president in 100 years.

So Jake Novak doesn't understand what is going on. He is still in his bubble. Trump's "hard-to-define policy leanings" aren't hard to define. They are what Trump deems will help him. Short term, long term, no term, revenge term, whatever. The sooner this guy figures it out, the sooner he can start writing normal columns.


Yep, exactly. Trump's not hard to understand. He wants what he wants, when he wants it, and if you won't give it to him, he'll find someone who will. That's why he keeps going through mouthpieces like they're going out of style - he's not getting the results (read "gushing adoration of a grateful populace") he wants.
 
2017-09-18 09:51:50 AM  
FTFIIdiot: Never before have we seen the leadership of both major political parties so humbled. That power vacuum is currently enabling the president to act without any loyalty to his own party, while working with whomever he pleases on whatever issues he wants.

THIS is what's wrong with post-Disgraced_Speaker_of_the_House_Newt_Gingrich-era politics. The very idea that members of the two parties cannot work with each other and each party should only be able to exert power over the other is the opposite of what Congress should be.

fark this guy and the horse he rode in on, and every horse farking politician that thinks this way. Looking at your, Yertle.
 
2017-09-18 09:52:08 AM  
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2017-09-18 09:52:29 AM  
Every thing is equal.
 
2017-09-18 09:54:55 AM  
We need to keep political parties from corrupting our youth.
 
2017-09-18 09:54:59 AM  
That article is trash written by an absolute farkstick.
 
2017-09-18 09:55:54 AM  
Has Trump made a deal with anyone he hasn't broken?
 
hej
2017-09-18 09:56:00 AM  
Unlikely, but if true, I'd rank that as a bigger accomplishment than Obamacare.
 
hej
2017-09-18 09:56:48 AM  

BizarreMan: DNRTFA, but is this a bad thing?


No.
 
2017-09-18 09:56:59 AM  
Oh wow, another runny BSABSVR turd that's going to take ten minutes to fully wipe away.
 
2017-09-18 09:59:29 AM  

edmo: Usually we write off the losing party as finished for good. It is news when we're writing off the winner. Therefore I'd say the GOP is in worse shape then the Dems simply because they can't seem to hang onto their own.

But don't forget, the GOP was written off after the Tea Party successes of a few years ago. Today, they control all three branches of government yet they're unable to do a thing because something something.


That "something something" is partly the tea party successes that we predicted would write off the GOP.

Their incapacity for governance is not doong them any favors.
 
MFK
2017-09-18 09:59:34 AM  
"and bernie sanders who wasn't even a democrat, came very very close to defeating hillary clinton"

Umm. no he didn't. It wasn't even remotely close.  Nice attempt at BSAB, asshole.
 
Ant
2017-09-18 10:00:54 AM  
When did Trump shift left? I haven't seen it.
 
2017-09-18 10:01:20 AM  
CNBC is pure shiat. It's Fox News for coke addled corporate coonts, wall Streeters, and wannabes.
 
2017-09-18 10:01:38 AM  

Wessoman: Oh wow, another runny BSABSVR turd that's going to take ten minutes to fully wipe away.


ugh, it's one of those clumpy ones with the consistency of mousse where you keep going back to wipe thinking maybe just maybe this time I'll have finally gotten it all but there's just more of it caked to your ass hair and how long have I actually been on this toilet but time is an illusion anyway and is it 2018 yet
 
2017-09-18 10:03:39 AM  
More likely their will just be major turnovers in which groups are in charge of each party and the branding will stay the same. 'Republican' and 'Democrat' are too firmly entrenched to just vanish. Expect brutal primary fights for a while.

Also, the cause and effect are backwards here. Trump is a symptom of, not the cause of, collapse of the old order.
 
2017-09-18 10:03:43 AM  
To be replaced with what, exactly?  The Libertarians are useless, and make traditional GOP members look positively enlightened and generous by way of comparison.  The Greens are, well, the Greens.  What does that really leave us?
 
2017-09-18 10:04:30 AM  
Trump is speaking at The UN Trump and he sounds very bored.
 
2017-09-18 10:04:45 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: To be replaced with what, exactly?  The Libertarians are useless, and make traditional GOP members look positively enlightened and generous by way of comparison.  The Greens are, well, the Greens.  What does that really leave us?


Millenials.
 
2017-09-18 10:06:32 AM  

FormlessOne: BizarreMan: DNRTFA, but is this a bad thing?

No. He's falsely equivocating all over the place. "Sure, Trump's gone around the GOP leadership and thumbed his nose at the House by dealing with Democrats, and that's eviscerated the Republicans EXACTLY AS MUCH as Clinton touting her new book, because the Democrats are 'embarrassed' that she just won't shut up about the election."

He's a choad, clearly trying to manufacture a "Trump's playing 12-dimensional chess while the GOP's got its thumb up its ass and the Democrats are scratching their pits" type of "both sides are bad" argument.


Well said.  That article might be the stupidest thing said about the 2016 election yet...which is saying a LOT.
 
2017-09-18 10:08:49 AM  
How Bush Destroyed the Republican Party

I'll just leave this right here and remind everyone that this was BEFORE the Tea Party or the eleciton of Donald Trump. Oh, and they currently run all three branches of the government.
 
2017-09-18 10:09:08 AM  
*Election*
 
2017-09-18 10:09:14 AM  
The Democrats and Republicans have both been headed for schisms for years now. This is older than Trump; it's older than Obama; it might even be older than Dubya. Both parties have been desperately trying to hold it together in the hope that the other side will schism first, which is pretty much the only hope that either party has of surviving intact. But in the wake of polarizing figure after polarizing figure, that isn't going to last forever.

Trump has not helped this by any stretch of the imagination. He really has pushed them both to the brink. But this is one that I can't put all the blame on him for, because he didn't have to push them far.
 
2017-09-18 10:09:43 AM  
Funny that CNBC is reporting on the death of the two major political parties. Corporate interests, bribery, political donations, and Super PACs have pretty much made the two parties indistinguishable. Large corporations and the wealthy pull at the strings of government.
Of course, the wedge issues of abortion and gun control will always keep the partisan proletariat engaged and voting, but voting is secondary to the massive amount of money flowing into Washington and controlling our politicians regardless of political affiliation.
 
2017-09-18 10:10:11 AM  
Don't blame me; I was one of the few people a year ago warning Democrats to not make Trump the Democratic nominee.
 
2017-09-18 10:10:39 AM  

Nadie_AZ: For now, lost party influence will continue to enable Trump's generally hard-to-define policy leanings. He'll easily shift between the right and the left as it suits him with more freedom than perhaps any other president in 100 years.

So Jake Novak doesn't understand what is going on. He is still in his bubble. Trump's "hard-to-define policy leanings" aren't hard to define. They are what Trump deems will help him. Short term, long term, no term, revenge term, whatever. The sooner this guy figures it out, the sooner he can start writing normal columns.


THIS. Trump cares about 1 thing at the end of the day: His Ego. He'll do anything to keep it inflated.

Stop trying to analyze him as a regular president or politician, throw out all the models you've used in the past and just start flipping coins or reading tea leaves to figure out what he is going to do next.
 
2017-09-18 10:11:11 AM  
YOUR BLOG SUCKS.
 
2017-09-18 10:19:55 AM  

edmo: Usually we write off the losing party as finished for good. It is news when we're writing off the winner. Therefore I'd say the GOP is in worse shape then the Dems simply because they can't seem to hang onto their own.

But don't forget, the GOP was written off after the Tea Party successes of a few years ago. Today, they control all three branches of government yet they're unable to do a thing because something something.


After George H Bush victory in the first gulf war, pundits said there was no way the Democratic Party could win against him.

Enter Bill Clinton.
 
2017-09-18 10:21:11 AM  
They pull donations from the same entities with just a few exceptions, and have similar track records when it comes to enduring challenges like controlling the debt, reining in health care costs, or improving the infrastructure, despite their rhetoric to the contrary.

Both sides are bad, or at least they are after you decide to skip listing all the ways in which they are nothing alike.
 
2017-09-18 10:21:27 AM  
Not likely, but wouldn't it be nice?

Imagine there's no Republicans
No Democrats too.
Only Americans
like me and you.

Imagine there's no career politicians
No senile one's too.
Imagine a new day in America.
Its easy if you try.
 
2017-09-18 10:22:05 AM  
An article written entirely by a man with his head up his ass.
In a way it's quite a feat.

I guess that's what made it so hard for him to read any history books that would have made him aware that the parties have never been static and it is astonishingly rare for them to dissolve rather than just southern strategy or triangulate.

of course he pasted in a few of his irrelevant opinions to show he is also ignorant of the present outside of his "bubble"
 
2017-09-18 10:28:07 AM  

Karac: They pull donations from the same entities with just a few exceptions, and have similar track records when it comes to enduring challenges like controlling the debt, reining in health care costs, or improving the infrastructure, despite their rhetoric to the contrary.

Both sides are bad, or at least they are after you decide to skip listing all the ways in which they are nothing alike.


Both sides ARE bad.

One side is vastly, staggeringly worse.

Those statements are both true simultaneously.
 
2017-09-18 10:28:24 AM  
To be replaced by?

It's a Weeners the post system. It's going to stabilize as two competing big-tent parties, like it always does.

The Whigs, which were themselves formed of the remnants of the National Republicans and the Federalists, last won a Presidency in 1850, before collapsing in 1854 over slavery.

By 1860, the northern branch had formed a major bloc of the nascent Republican Party, and were back in office. The southern branch struggled on for a few more years, before being absorbed by the Democrats during Reconstruction.

Hell, even when a party doesn't break apart, it can change substantially. Jacksonian Democrats were nothing like Jeffersonian Democrats. Jackson would have been a Federalist in Jefferson's day.
 
2017-09-18 10:30:57 AM  
I wonder how long it will be after he leaves office we will be told by the GOP "you know Donald Trump was really a democrat".
 
2017-09-18 10:31:28 AM  

Millennium: The Democrats and Republicans have both been headed for schisms for years now. This is older than Trump; it's older than Obama; it might even be older than Dubya. Both parties have been desperately trying to hold it together in the hope that the other side will schism first, which is pretty much the only hope that either party has of surviving intact. But in the wake of polarizing figure after polarizing figure, that isn't going to last forever.

Trump has not helped this by any stretch of the imagination. He really has pushed them both to the brink. But this is one that I can't put all the blame on him for, because he didn't have to push them far.


They will have their schisms, they will break, but they will re-emerge. It's going to be the only way both parties modernize. As organizations, they're too rigid, their internal structures too entrenched, and their two sources of power (money & votes) too disparate in relative importance and objectives.

It's relatively normal. the 60's saw both parties completely break apart and reconfigure... and they're still here.
Also, remember this?
upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size

That, if anything, would have said "the democ-RAT party is ded! DED!", if anything. Now dems consistently get more votes than the GOP. Not only in the presidential election, but in the senate (45 mill vs. 39mill) too. Congress is almost an even 50/50 split.

so yeah. They'll break. They ain't going anywhere.
 
2017-09-18 10:32:01 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: To be replaced with what, exactly?  The Libertarians are useless, and make traditional GOP members look positively enlightened and generous by way of comparison.  The Greens are, well, the Greens.  What does that really leave us?


Who will be your next slavemaster? Is that what you're asking?
 
2017-09-18 10:32:20 AM  
CNBC has the credibility of townhall or breitbart.
 
2017-09-18 10:32:42 AM  
Did the Interesting tag spike the Unlikely tag's punch?
 
2017-09-18 10:33:17 AM  
Again?
 
2017-09-18 10:34:01 AM  

Befuddled: Don't blame me; I was one of the few people a year ago warning Democrats to not make Trump the Democratic nominee.


Oh honey. Don't
 
2017-09-18 10:34:10 AM  
I'd just like to say how impressed I am by this guy's bold and fresh take. This is the kind of thought-provoking, outsider thinking that really speaks to centrist, free-thinking people like me who hold allegiance to no particular party!
 
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