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(Shanghaiist)   The iPhone X hasn't even hit the stores yet and already they're selling gimp masks to prevent your partner from unlocking your iPhone X while you sleep   ( shanghaiist.com) divider line
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2017-09-14 09:30:31 AM  
I've made it a rule never to sleep beside someone I can't trust.
 
2017-09-14 09:46:08 AM  
A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.
 
2017-09-14 10:06:53 AM  
I read somewhere that your eyes have to be open.
 
2017-09-14 10:40:55 AM  
So what does this really have? A curved screen and facial recognition, which if the thumb scanner is any indication, probably won't work very well.
 
2017-09-14 10:51:34 AM  
I already have one of those.
 
2017-09-14 10:52:44 AM  

TheHighlandHowler: I read somewhere that your eyes have to be open.


So it discriminates against asian people?
 
2017-09-14 10:53:48 AM  
So I need to take off the ski mask before I order the getaway Uber? Good to know.
 
2017-09-14 10:53:57 AM  
Does this mean you can't lock it by some other means?
 
2017-09-14 10:55:04 AM  

croesius: A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.


I do not have any dirty secrets on my phone.

However, my wife only likes about 1 in 1000 pics taken of her, so sometimes I will feel her trying to sneak my phone under my thumb while I am sleeping so she can get in there and erase the ones she does not like.

What she doesn't know is that I use my penis on the scanner.
 
2017-09-14 10:57:32 AM  
The police have to be liking the tech of this phone.
/unwarranted
//will the X have the five clicky disable feature?
///nothing to hide
////bill of rights fan
 
2017-09-14 10:58:47 AM  
Lol.  Who doesn't already have a gimp mask.
It's like offering to sell me a toothbrush.
Both items I can keep in the packaging and offer to guests.
 
2017-09-14 11:03:58 AM  

croesius: A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.


And

C) don't activate facial recognition and instead stick with a pattern or pin
 
2017-09-14 11:04:15 AM  
jjorsett


Does this mean you can't lock it by some other means?

I am sure they have a fall back PIN or something since the Face Unlockey thing failed during a live demo.
 
2017-09-14 11:07:28 AM  

croesius: A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.


Both of these.
 
2017-09-14 11:08:49 AM  
Those look more like something you would find on a Sub.
/IYKWIMAITYD
 
2017-09-14 11:10:28 AM  

Hobochili: The police have to be liking the tech of this phone.
/unwarranted
//will the X have the five clicky disable feature?
///nothing to hide
////bill of rights fan


Passcodes are mandatory on reboot, and you don't even have to be looking at it to do it. Hold the power and the volume down until the Apple logo shows up and that's it.

Now it's locked away from everyone but you, so you can get your lawyer on if need be.
 
2017-09-14 11:14:13 AM  
I'll use my penis as my unlock ID.

What do you mean, "password too short"?
 
2017-09-14 11:21:37 AM  

Hobochili: The police have to be liking the tech of this phone.
/unwarranted
//will the X have the five clicky disable feature?
///nothing to hide
////bill of rights fan


Yes, it will.
 
2017-09-14 11:22:41 AM  

croesius: A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.


This.

I have my wife's pin to get into her phone and she has mine.
 
2017-09-14 11:25:04 AM  

Cortez the Killer: croesius: A) don't be a shiatbag and you won't have dirty little secrets on your phone

And

B) don't have relations with distrustful people who would search your phone.

This.

I have my wife's pin to get into her phone and she has mine.


Same. I occasionally pilfer her phone and take ridiculous pictures. No, not of *that*.
 
2017-09-14 11:28:16 AM  
My fiancee has my PINs, my passwords, and the keys to everything. She knows everything about me. These days, I wouldn't be in a relationship with someone I didn't trust with all my secrets and personal details.

My ex-wife, though... Yeah, she had a habit of using my information to gain leverage or harm me, so I can understand why some people would be worried. My solution was to sleep in a locked room, away from her.
 
2017-09-14 11:33:50 AM  
It's almost as if face unlock is an insecure locking scheme.
 
2017-09-14 11:37:25 AM  

TheHighlandHowler: I read somewhere that your eyes have to be open.


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2017-09-14 11:44:50 AM  
Well, facial recognition has been a thing for quite some time on Android devices, and a picture of the owner is all you need to unlock the phone.
 
2017-09-14 11:49:17 AM  
But the gimp's asleep!
 
2017-09-14 11:50:10 AM  

jjorsett: Does this mean you can't lock it by some other means?


Yes you can still use a PIN.

However, this is more about preventing someone from unlocking your phone without you knowing about it.
 
2017-09-14 11:58:56 AM  
Did I miss the iPhone 9? or is apple pulling a microsoft?
 
2017-09-14 12:01:38 PM  
"No, honey, really, it's just to protect my phone from being unlocked in my sleep."

"Then why did you buy the matching rubber body suit?"
 
2017-09-14 12:04:22 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: jjorsett


Does this mean you can't lock it by some other means?

I am sure they have a fall back PIN or something since the Face Unlockey thing failed during a live demo.


Yes, you can just use a PIN. The face unlock didn't fail at all during the demo - it recognized his face and asked for the PIN because the device had just been rebooted. It was a failure to prep the hardware for the demo, not a failure of the face ID.
 
2017-09-14 12:04:59 PM  
Two-factor, yo.

If you have anything on a device you don't want others to easily access, you really shouldn't be that concerned about a few seconds' inconvenience in unlocking it.
 
2017-09-14 12:06:08 PM  

Snarfangel: I've made it a rule never to sleep beside someone I can't trust.


I would have given you another 10 Smart clicks if it allowed me to.

Helps if you are a boring old bastard who doesn't mess around as well.  D1vwife was picking through my phone a couple of weeks ago (she asked first) and finally made a interesting comment that revealed something I wasn't aware of in myself.

"You have 62 pictures of your boat, over a thousand of the dog, and only 2 of me.  What's with that?"

/she was kidding.
//mostly.
 
2017-09-14 12:06:15 PM  
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Not sure how it stops folks from using a phone though...
 
2017-09-14 12:13:34 PM  
The next Apple "breakthrough" will be the IOS SafeWord.
 
2017-09-14 12:27:56 PM  

This text is now purple: TheHighlandHowler: I read somewhere that your eyes have to be open.
So it discriminates against asian people?


You joke, but I am anticipating some kind of repeat of old problems.
http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1954643,00.html
 
2017-09-14 12:32:50 PM  

padraig: Well, facial recognition has been a thing for quite some time on Android devices, and a picture of the owner is all you need to unlock the phone.


Is it as secure as the PS4?
 
2017-09-14 12:54:21 PM  

albatros183: Did I miss the iPhone 9? or is apple pulling a microsoft?


They're pulling a Microsoft.  There will be no 9.
 
2017-09-14 01:20:51 PM  

Hobochili: The police have to be liking the tech of this phone.
/unwarranted
//will the X have the five clicky disable feature?
///nothing to hide
////bill of rights fan


That was my first thought.

The courts have already said your finger print is compellable without a warrant, and having a cop point your phone at your face is even less intrusive than demanding a finger.
 
2017-09-14 01:21:02 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: jjorsett


Does this mean you can't lock it by some other means?

I am sure they have a fall back PIN or something since the Face Unlockey thing failed during a live demo.


I think I would be way too uncomfortable with just face to unlock things.  I would probably just stick to pin so the wife and kids could use it.  Use the Face unlock for other things like payment tech.
 
2017-09-14 01:27:42 PM  

This text is now purple: TheHighlandHowler: I read somewhere that your eyes have to be open.

So it discriminates against asian people?


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2017-09-14 01:32:11 PM  

padraig: Well, facial recognition has been a thing for quite some time on Android devices, and a picture of the owner is all you need to unlock the phone.


For those of you who haven't bothered to look at the face unlock stuff before blathering on about it, rest assured that this is different from all those Android implementations.  It's just like the face recognition on the new Surface Pro line, where it projects a ton of little infrared beams onto your face and builds a 3D composite to check against every time you unlock it.  The upshot of this is that holding up a picture of you to the camera will NOT unlock the phone.

It also will not unlock the phone if you close your eyes, so nobody is going to be able to sneakily unlock your phone unless you sleep with your eyes open.  You're more likely to notice is somebody tries to pry your eyes open than try to touch the phone to your finger.

If a cop tries to unlock your phone, just close your eyes.  Bonus, you also won't see the beatings coming either.
 
2017-09-14 01:35:40 PM  
Slackfumasta:  If a cop tries to unlock your phone, just close your eyes.  Bonus, you also won't see the beatings coming either.

Then what? Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "I can't hear you. Lalalalalalalalalalala"?
 
2017-09-14 01:42:26 PM  
 
2017-09-14 01:51:51 PM  

Slackfumasta: padraig: Well, facial recognition has been a thing for quite some time on Android devices, and a picture of the owner is all you need to unlock the phone.

For those of you who haven't bothered to look at the face unlock stuff before blathering on about it, rest assured that this is different from all those Android implementations.  It's just like the face recognition on the new Surface Pro line, where it projects a ton of little infrared beams onto your face and builds a 3D composite to check against every time you unlock it.  The upshot of this is that holding up a picture of you to the camera will NOT unlock the phone.

It also will not unlock the phone if you close your eyes, so nobody is going to be able to sneakily unlock your phone unless you sleep with your eyes open.  You're more likely to notice is somebody tries to pry your eyes open than try to touch the phone to your finger.

If a cop tries to unlock your phone, just close your eyes.  Bonus, you also won't see the beatings coming either.


As of today, a cop having you unlock your phone by finger print is considered an unobtrusive legal command and you can't say no if you're detained.

"Look at this phone and keep your eyes open" is even less intrusive.  I guarantee the first time that one is challenged, the order will be found to have been lawful.
 
2017-09-14 01:56:34 PM  

Thingster: he courts have already said your finger print is compellable without a warrant, and having a cop point your phone at your face is even less intrusive than demanding a finger.


"Pull my face."
 
2017-09-14 01:58:24 PM  
What's all this noise about face unlock? I've used that feature for ages on my Android phone. My wife abuses it, when I'm driving she'll slowly move my phone I'm front of my face to unlock it.

She does know my swipe pattern and I her pin. No secrets here.
 
2017-09-14 02:01:50 PM  

Thingster: As of today, a cop having you unlock your phone by finger print is considered an unobtrusive legal command and you can't say no if you're detained.


You do know that the Supreme Court already ruled unanimously that the police need a warrant to search your phone, don't you?

There are exceptions for imminent danger, the given examples being "a suspect texting an accomplice who, it is feared, is preparing to detonate a bomb, or a child abductor who may have information about the child's location on his cell phone" where they don't have to stop and get a warrant.

Also, there is an exception at border crossings, although there is a lawsuit about that in play as well.
 
2017-09-14 02:12:45 PM  
 
2017-09-14 02:14:56 PM  

BullBearMS: Thingster: As of today, a cop having you unlock your phone by finger print is considered an unobtrusive legal command and you can't say no if you're detained.

You do know that the Supreme Court already ruled unanimously that the police need a warrant to search your phone, don't you?

There are exceptions for imminent danger, the given examples being "a suspect texting an accomplice who, it is feared, is preparing to detonate a bomb, or a child abductor who may have information about the child's location on his cell phone" where they don't have to stop and get a warrant.

Also, there is an exception at border crossings, although there is a lawsuit about that in play as well.


https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/iphone-fingerp​r​int-search-warrant/480861/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/10/16/doj-demands-ma​s​s-fingerprint-seizure-to-open-iphones/
 
2017-09-14 02:15:14 PM  

AngryDragon: The next Apple "breakthrough" will be the IOS SafeWord.


Armageddon
 
2017-09-14 02:19:33 PM  

Thingster: Hobochili: The police have to be liking the tech of this phone.
/unwarranted
//will the X have the five clicky disable feature?
///nothing to hide
////bill of rights fan

That was my first thought.

The courts have already said your finger print is compellable without a warrant, and having a cop point your phone at your face is even less intrusive than demanding a finger.


Some people on Engadget were saying, "but but the you have to have your eyes open for the cops to get in".  I rolled my eye and thought these morons have never been harassed by a big city cop.
 
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