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(National Review)   Trump can finally work with Dems now that they've shot their foolish load of hoping to impeach him   ( nationalreview.com) divider line
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2017-09-14 03:49:54 AM  
the Democratic congressional leadership, who promised and have delivered "scorched earth" and mindless obstructionism

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2017-09-14 05:28:59 AM  
Or maybe they just WANT you to thnk that.
 
2017-09-14 05:33:11 AM  
please, we haven't even gotten the lotion out yet
 
2017-09-14 06:01:38 AM  
I might have said "lost faith that their Republican colleagues will ever do the right thing".

I am glad they are willing to use Trump to get non awful stuff passed, but I expect they will continue to persue him on the awful stuff.
 
2017-09-14 06:09:09 AM  
Dems need a functioning government when they sweep into power in 2018. Might as well make use of the stooge sitting behind the Resolute Desk who wants to "make deals." Can show the populace they are willing to work with whomever to get the people's business done.
 
2017-09-14 06:09:23 AM  
I don't want a competent right-wing true believer President Pence, so please, carry on Trumplestiltskin
 
2017-09-14 06:10:29 AM  
Does anyone else remember the eight straight years of Republicans doing their level best to block each and every action the scary blah man took, which they announced they would do on the very day he took office, just because?  Or did I dream that?
 
2017-09-14 06:17:13 AM  
Who comes up with this stuff?? Dumpy has been throwing the GOP under the bus for the past couple of months. Impeachment has ZERO to do with his willingness to lie to the Dems now.
 
2017-09-14 06:20:10 AM  
Ah, Conrad Black. I do so enjoy his insane, rambling essays. It seems like he isn't putting them on the front page of his National Post anymore. I suppose the editors managed to convince him that no one wants to read insane biographies of American presidents in their daily newspaper.
 
2017-09-14 06:25:55 AM  

fusillade762: the Democratic congressional leadership, who promised and have delivered "scorched earth" and mindless obstructionism

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This.

Republicans could have the awesomest-ever policies and ideas: I still couldn't take them seriously given how ridiculous they are.

It's like someone going around breaking things and hitting people, but when you give him a backhand slap to the arm and say "Cut it out" he protests "What did you do that for?  Why do you have to be so violent?"
 
2017-09-14 06:31:21 AM  
Even now, as she pads around the country explaining that everyone else in the United States except her is responsible for her electoral defeat, Hillary Clinton still sounds the "tinkling cymbal" of Russian interference in the election and collusion with the Trump campaign. This has been under feverish investigation for over a year, with all the zeal the Obama Justice Department could bring to the persecution of the regime's opponents. Partisan investigators who regularly dump U-Hauls of leaked information in the press to embarrass the president have not been able to scrape together anything to substantiate the Russian-collusion canard.
Absolutely. There is no evidence whatsoever of collusion with the Trump Campaign and the Russian government.

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No evidence at all. It's all just a ridiculous witch hunt.
 
2017-09-14 06:32:10 AM  
Trump doesn't understand how Congress works. He can want to work with Dems and cut deals with them all he wants but it's Ryan and McConnell who control what legislation makes it to a vote.

Maybe this is Pelosi's and Schumer's way of sabotaging Trump. They butter him up in order to get him to agree to things that go against Ryan's and McConnell's wishes which will further divide him from the GOP in Congress and make Trump look like a sellout to his base of support.
 
2017-09-14 06:47:08 AM  

Befuddled: Trump doesn't understand how Congress works. He can want to work with Dems and cut deals with them all he wants but it's Ryan and McConnell who control what legislation makes it to a vote.

Maybe this is Pelosi's and Schumer's way of sabotaging Trump. They butter him up in order to get him to agree to things that go against Ryan's and McConnell's wishes which will further divide him from the GOP in Congress and make Trump look like a sellout to his base of support.


It's a win/win for dems.  Either they get to help pass legislation that protects DACA immigrants and prevents government shut down, or Trump gets to make a fool of himself and further alienate him from his own party.  Either way, republicans demonstrate they can't govern and only the democrats are working towards America's best interest.
 
2017-09-14 06:48:42 AM  

Befuddled: Trump doesn't understand how Congress works. He can want to work with Dems and cut deals with them all he wants but it's Ryan and McConnell who control what legislation makes it to a vote.

Maybe this is Pelosi's and Schumer's way of sabotaging Trump. They butter him up in order to get him to agree to things that go against Ryan's and McConnell's wishes which will further divide him from the GOP in Congress and make Trump look like a sellout to his base of support.


It certainly makes turtle's and lift-bro's political calculations far more difficult. Before it was pretty simple. The base loves Trump, so they had to get on-board even though they despised the man.

Now they have to try to figure out if this will start to turn the base against him. If it does, they can start to go after him (which, let's be honest, they would love to do especially as he's proved not only an immoral imbecile but also wholly ineffective). If not, they'll have to swallow whatever tiny amount of pride they still have a work with the Democrats.

I think the word schadenfreude comes to mind.
 
2017-09-14 06:51:05 AM  

eiger: Now they have to try to figure out if this will start to turn the base against him. If it does, they can start to go after him (which, let's be honest, they would love to do especially as he's proved not only an immoral imbecile but also wholly ineffective). If not, they'll have to swallow whatever tiny amount of pride they still have a work with the Democrats.


To be clear, this is an extraordinarily, virtually impossible thing to truly divine. It will be interesting to see if the GOP starts splintering as the rank-and-file come to different conclusions about the correct direction to take.
 
2017-09-14 06:53:27 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Does anyone else remember the eight straight years of Republicans doing their level best to block each and every action the scary blah man took, which they announced they would do on the very day he took office, just because?  Or did I dream that?


Yeah, but that was because he was a Kenyan Muslim usurper who wasn't the REAL POTUS  for reasons and therefore, so their obstructionism was patriotic.

Herr Drumpf is the God-Emperor one true chosen POTUS, selected by God Himself to MAGA. . .so anybody not aligned with him is an evil communist liberal traitor.

. . .but this whole bit where the Cheeto Mussolini attacks GOP Congressmen and strikes a deal with Democrats DOES have them all rather confused at this point.  I've seen some of them saying it's just more of his "master plan", the whole "he's playing 4D chess" nonsense, that somehow this is his big Master Plan to MAGA, and forever defeat the Democrats by outmaneuvering them with this, somehow.
 
2017-09-14 07:00:04 AM  
Just dangle that mirror in front of Trump to get what you need done while Trump pulls his own rope to the gallows. As long as Trump needs himself he'll do his "own" bidding. He's sucking up to his demise unwittingly, only for perceiving himself as the winner.

Good for the Democrats for using Trump's playbook for deal making, use then toss away, nice.
 
2017-09-14 07:06:05 AM  

fusillade762: the Democratic congressional leadership, who promised and have delivered "scorched earth" and mindless obstructionism

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That's some massive projection they've got going on there. Do they expect anyone to buy it?
 
2017-09-14 07:33:34 AM  
I think I hurt something trying to read that. Since when is the threat of impeachment over? The more Trump pivots to Dems, the more likely Republicans are going to drop him. Nevermind that nothing is over until Mueller finishes.

How the hell do you whinge on about oblivious, self-immersed Republicans one paragraph and then go to the next by talking about "enclosed echo chamber Democrats in Washington [...] There were huge demonstrations in airports..." If the Dems were in an "echo chamber in Washington", how did they demonstrate in airports nationwide?

This piece isn't even internally consistent. But that's the sort of thing you have to expect from a guy who couldn't get published until he bought a newspaper. He can't even put out any longer work without it getting solidly debunked by proper experts in the fields he thinks he's so smrt in.
 
2017-09-14 07:42:22 AM  
You know...I'm beginning to think that NRO doesn't understand how government and the political process actually works. It's almost as if their online edition just hires anyone who can type and promises to adhere to the principle that "Democrats are dumbass poopyheads and tax cuts fix EVERYTHING"...
 
2017-09-14 07:52:35 AM  
Oh they haven't shot that load at all. They're planning on shooting that load all over the 2018 elections.

Just constant, loud, angry, masturbating.
 
2017-09-14 08:16:48 AM  

hubiestubert: You know...I'm beginning to think that NRO doesn't understand how government and the political process actually works. It's almost as if their online edition just hires anyone who can type and promises to adhere to the principle that "Democrats are dumbass poopyheads and tax cuts fix EVERYTHING"...


Tax cuts dofix everything...

/...for the CEOs, that is.
 
2017-09-14 08:19:38 AM  

EvilEgg: I might have said "lost faith that their Republican colleagues will ever do the right thing".

I am glad they are willing to use Trump to get non awful stuff passed, but I expect they will continue to persue him on the awful stuff.


That's fine, but if Nancy Pelosi gets the gavel again in 2018 and says "impeachment is off the table" there will be one less democrat on Fark.
 
2017-09-14 08:24:12 AM  
The rationalization is strong with this one.
 
2017-09-14 08:25:24 AM  
Impeach Trump, you've got President Pence. There are some people who would regard that as a good thing. I'm terrified by those people. The only thing worse than not impeaching Trump is impeaching Trump. So the Dems might as well get what they can out of the devil they know.
 
2017-09-14 08:37:32 AM  

Rueened: fusillade762: the Democratic congressional leadership, who promised and have delivered "scorched earth" and mindless obstructionism

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That's some massive projection they've got going on there. Do they expect anyone to buy it?


The GOP base always has before, why not now?
 
2017-09-14 09:00:48 AM  
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2017-09-14 09:22:06 AM  
There's one thing that has not changed: Trump will be impeached if and when the Republicans want to impeach him.
 
2017-09-14 09:27:40 AM  
Wow, Submitter.

I guess it's all political fun games until someone's hoo-ha gets filled with goof juice.
 
2017-09-14 09:31:58 AM  

Terlis: Dems need a functioning government when they sweep into power in 2018.



Oh sweet summer child...
 
2017-09-14 11:27:23 AM  

Ambivalence: Befuddled: Trump doesn't understand how Congress works. He can want to work with Dems and cut deals with them all he wants but it's Ryan and McConnell who control what legislation makes it to a vote.

Maybe this is Pelosi's and Schumer's way of sabotaging Trump. They butter him up in order to get him to agree to things that go against Ryan's and McConnell's wishes which will further divide him from the GOP in Congress and make Trump look like a sellout to his base of support.

It's a win/win for dems.  Either they get to help pass legislation that protects DACA immigrants and prevents government shut down, or Trump gets to make a fool of himself and further alienate him from his own party.  Either way, republicans demonstrate they can't govern and only the democrats are working towards America's best interest.


This. And it's not even a "trick." It's just common farking sense, which is why it is so puzzling to so many people, I guess.

If you have made farking over as many Americans as possible your stated goal -- and the Republicans and Trump have -- the opposition by definition has the upper hand. Nothing you do will be seen as rational or reasonable. You will always be defending your farkery and trying, unsuccessfully, to seem like you're the ones who have the best ideas. But most people, even the deeply stupid ones (ie, Republicans) have a sense of self-preservation, and when it comes right down to it, are in favor of things that benefit them, even if those things also benefit people they don't like.

At least this is what I hope: that most Republicans don't actually hate the rest of us more than they love themselves, that they actually aren't in favor of "burning it all down," since most of them actually have houses and jobs and kids and grandkids and savings accounts. I am depending on basic human selfishness to convince them that allowing the Democrats to keep the godddam country from going over a farking cliff is the best for everyone.

Yeah, I know ... what can I say, I still have a little hope for this country.
 
2017-09-14 02:43:36 PM  

fusillade762: the Democratic congressional leadership, who promised and have delivered "scorched earth" and mindless obstructionism

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Yeah, I guess it's not mindless when repubs do it because Obama is black or something...
 
2017-09-14 02:43:45 PM  
Democrats can't remove Trump by impeachment followed by conviction. They don't even remotely have the votes. In the end and for all practical purposes, unless the party opposing the president has an overwhelming majority in Senate and a majority in the House, the only possible way for a president to be removed in this fashion is for his own party to turn on him.

So no, I don't think that the Democrats in Congress were ever moving towards impeaching Trump even if we ignore that President Pence could very well be worse for Democrats than Trump.
 
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